Study on Quranist, Quran alone, Quranites ect.
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Thank you for your answers Aynur and Emil.
It seems there is a pattern that slightly over half of the answers come from people who are born Christian and then have embraced the islamic faith later on.. Do you think that this applies to the entire forum in general?
Hope to hear from even more with answers on my questions and again thanks for the help..
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Here is my partners answers, he is not registered on this site
Male/ Female Male
Age 27
Nationality Lebanese
Parents background ( if different from nationality) Lebanese
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) yes
Level of education high school
Are you from a city or from the country? city
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? When I started to study my religion on my own rather than just be a blind follower. My wife opened my eyes to alot of things.
And at what age? 26
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Just my wife
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both
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Salaam Aleykum
Male/ Female Female
Age 31
Nationality British
Parents background ( if different from nationality) same
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) no
Level of education still learning! Got some A'levels though
Are you from a city or from the country? Not a big city, more of a village / town, but not far away from a big city.
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Submission.org and free-minds
And at what age? 26
Do you personally know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Alone in real life, online not so much due to Facebook
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? authority
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Thank you Ozi Kristi-lee and UmAlawi for your answers.. Once again 2 answers where one is born into a traditional muslim family and another who has imbraced islam later on.. intressting..
Please keep on the great job contributing to this thread everybody..
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Male/ Female Male
Age 35
Nationality Turk
Parents background ( if different from nationality) both Turk
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) Yes but not religious
Level of education M.S
Are you from a city or from the country? city
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Actually I was like everyone in my society at the beginning, had standard knowledge of Islam, for a while tried to be brainwashed by Gulen supporters, thank God, got rid of them, after then I became only Quran follower but still non practicising. By the way I do not like terms like Quranism and Quranist )
And at what age? 28Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? alone
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? yes both
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Thanks Wren and fbahadir for giving me your answers. I totally understand that you do not like the term Quranist but as I stated yearlier I used it to distiguish between the islam that people were born into and the islam that they are follwing now. Therefore I could not simply use the word "muslim" because it would have been confusing. I off course recognize that in fact the religion you are follwing is islam. Thanks again for your answers..
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How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Actually I was like everyone in my society at the beginning, had standard knowledge of Islam, for a while tried to be brainwashed by Gulen supporters, thank God, got rid of them, after then I became only Quran follower but still non practicising. By the way I do not like terms like Quranism and Quranist )
And at what age? 28rotfl
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Peace Jonas and the mercy of Allah (SWT) be on you;
P.S. (Pre-script) I understand that this is merely a research assignment, but you mentioned it was on different types of Islam and not different types of Muslim. However it is called "Lived Islam" which suggests it is more about people's experience with Islam. Whichever way, consider it merely one Muslim view of the subject. From your greeting you seem to be a Muslim of some kind. Good luck peace
The difference between a traditional Muslim and a "Qur'an-alone" Muslim is that one either believes the prophet was infallible in spite of the Qur'anic evidence to the contrary and one does not, or one believes that there is an extra Sunna that came with the Qur'an and one does not. Some also follow interpretations of specific ayat which do not find consistency when one studies the Qur'an oneself. You will find that traditional Muslims are traditional because they are brought up in a traditional environment, and so the bigger pattern is perhaps to be found there.
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21
Australian
European (born in Australia)
Born in atheist family
Uni
City
I was attracted to Islam by the Message and the core, but I realised that Sunni and Shia (including their subsects) Islam in general was neither spiritual nor sensible. I actually accepted "obey the Messenger" as proof of the authority of ahadith, but it was the weird ahadith that kept me away. I noticed that some had the "Qur'anist" interpretation and that the traditional responses were always the same (obey the Messenger). In time I also noticed it was a dud argument passed on from one wishful person to another.
Decided to convert at 21, and converted at 21.
I personally know some Sunnis who only follow ahadith because they are told to. They agree with my views. I have some Shia friends whom I debate, but they admit that Shiism is simply an option for those who wish to make particular odd assumptions.
I reject the concept of "hadith" as Divine Revelation and as anything more than examples (true or false, good or bad). E.g. salaat is an example pieced together from lots of different pieces of paper, and then the only reason to follow that is to keep congregation-prayer organised. Salaat is in the Qur'an, but I think that Sunnis and Shia simply take the "pray as you see me praying" hadith out of context and think that every little thing (e.g. number of rakat) is important. Indeed, Qur'anic prayer is better than whistling and clapping hands. It is easy to see how changing the words of a hadith would change its meaning, and it is no surprise that people start worshipping it. To say that a "Qur'an-alone" Muslim just rejects a HADITH is inaccurate because he or she might be rejecting its rendering or interpretation (e.g. what was the context of the saying, if it is true)? Secondly, authority is irrelevant since it will be compared to the Qur'an. If consistent with the Qur'an, it is a good example (but not obligatory until someone can prove so from the Qur'an). Ahadith are not themselves little entities or "scraps of authority/authenticity"
"And say Surely I am the plain warner. Like as We sent down on the dividers, those who made the Quran into shreds."
1589-91
They are words as real as those which I am writing here. They will be authoritative if you want them to be, or if you think that they are based on your interpretation of Qur'anic ayat, and just because you know that my exact words here are authentic (because this is what I wrote!), authenticity has nothing to do with my intention. If you report my words by word of mouth and give to them your interpretation/understanding, then maybe in two hundred years they can be passed on as philoophical law. This will obviously happen to someone who is in charge of a movement such as Islam in the 7th century, and unlike Muhammad (SAW) among his associates, I am not going to be seen as "important" by mine. Muhammad (SAW) had to make many decisions in his day because he was the leader, but where the decisions are judgements of conduct etc., it is to be remembered that he only judged by the Qur'an (548-49) and that his judgements are examples (see notes for 2124, 331-32, 548-49, 81 and 2454 of the commentary). Etc. etc. the arguments go on. Besides that, most ahadith were fabricated in their day (99% of Bukhari's initial collection and 99% of Muslim's initial collection apparently). Where they contradict the Qur'an, only a senseless person would accept them as obligatory or even as suggestible. Only someone who thinks they can prove two sources of Revelation from the Qur'an will think that we even need the ahadith to be Muslims. The Qur'an is partly contextual (e.g. sacred months), but just because it is not a history textbook nor a book that teaches us Arabic, it does not mean the Qur'an is not complete and fully-detailed for guidance in the Islamic manner of life.
Salaat in the Qur'an
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365008
http//allpoetry.com/column/2366095Qur'an-alone Islam actually works
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365012
The questions you ask are irrelevant to anyone who can understand this
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365237
Since as I mentioned traditional Muslims are a result of traditional interpretation (just as Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims is a result of the media and traditional Muslims), most people do not go through the Qur'an themselves
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365975
My point is that your questions are not detailed enough to extract any useful/relevant information. They might tell you some trivial things about "Qur'an-alone" Muslims, but nothing about what they follow or why (the intial doctrinal arguments obviously came from Arabic-speakers, after all). You should research the merit of the arguments employed, and to do that you will have to talk to the most knowledgeable/prepared people. After all, Sunnis always complain that people (non-Muslims, non-Sunnis) have come to them instead of asking the Sunni scholars! It should also be noted that the majority of traditional Muslims would not be able to argue with the "Qur'an-alone" viewpoint when it is presented in a manner devoid of alteration of the meaning of words/number of prayers etc.. Traditional responses are merely complaints devoid of logical substance. Many traditional Muslims would also agree with the "Qur'an-alone" viewpoint so long as the "Qur'an-alone" Muslims did not have to alter the meaning of the Qur'an to survive without ahadith. The Message is simple and can be followed without considering a single hadith as law.
If the Qur'an really is not sufficient, then Islam does not make sense.
Do you agree?
Peace.
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Hey aynur,
I guess you are also Turkish as your name/nick says so ), but what's so funny about this? Have you had similar experiences with feto's community? DI am, by citizenship but not by birth. It's funny because I can imagine it happening, haven gone to many camaat meetings I know how they are.
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Male/ Female Male
Age 27
Nationality Malaysian
Parents background ( if different from nationality) Malaysian
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) sunni
Level of education bachelor
Are you from a city or from the country? city
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? discussion/debate (in person) made me put a thought on islam rather than blind following/idolizing
And at what age? 26
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? the person i discussed with
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? instead of reject, i prefer the act of 'questioning' hadith regardless of both
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Salaam...dont forget to include Mohammad Shaikh and his organisation the IIPC, they are 100% quran alone, rejecting all hadith and islamic history in totality except what is in the Quran.
www.iipc.tv
Peace and Love
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Male/ Female Male
Age Teens
Nationality American
Parents background ( if different from nationality)
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) Yes
Level of education High School
Are you from a city or from the country? Both
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? While researching whether Music was haram.
And at what age? 13
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? I only know Qur'anists in the online community.
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both.
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I see..I just saw your post in the thread that you are American by birth , anyway I hope you see the real face of them behind the mask.
I am, by citizenship but not by birth. It's funny because I can imagine it happening, haven gone to many camaat meetings I know how they are.
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I guess I'll participate
Male/ Female Male
Age Early 30's
Nationality American
Parents background ( if different from nationality) Same
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) Yes. Moderate Sunni (a blend of A native Afro-American-centered, post-NOA Sunni Islam with Salafi and even some sufi influences (the sufi stuff came mainly through simple Islamic literature like 99 names of Allah books, Rumi etc.) Salafis were a very influential and rising influence in the community I grew up in, in my teens and early 20's. My are was a very diverse islamic community. I had a lot of run-ins with Ahmadis, Ahmad Deedats literature and even the fringe psuedo-islamic groups like the 5 percenters, Nation of islam etc.
Level of education BA
Are you from a city or from the country? City
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? I came across submission.com Interestingly enough I also had a Imam at the masjid I would attend who was VERY Quran-centered, although not a full-blown Quranist.
And at what age? 17
Do you personally know fellow Quranists or are you alone with your view in your social network? Only online.
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both. Sahih Ahadi is not good enough even for history and hadeeth can
have no religious authority. Although I do not reject hadeeth as a source for linguistic evidence (barring explicit interpretations), I do not reject the historical accuracy of mutawaatir or mutawaatir al-ma'any if they are not self contradicting or in contradiction with the Quran, nor do I conflate hadeeth with linguistic works on Classical Arabic.I've been at this for longer than I thought. I feel like all of this (including me) is getting so old. Although it is still a worthy cause, and hopefully it will come to fruition one day. I am pretty quiet about my being a Quranite in my personal life and don't run towards contact with other sunni/shi'ite, whatever kind of Muslim, as I suffered from a lot of belligerent rejection when I understood and was ready to embrace Quranist Islam and try to rally others to it without all of the Islamic titles. A lot of the heated arguments here on free-minds also caused me a lot of disillusion about other Quranites and their agendas and willingness to cooperate, work with, treat well and commit to comprehend each other and achieve solutions. There's a lot to forming a community and many ways to do it, Quranists still aren't able to come to common ground in order to make a first step. Many of us are just modern westerners who like or wanna be just this. Many of us really do not want to form a community. I understand the fears and I think they are merited unfortunately. It's been over 10 years for me and I don't see that anything has changed. I remember being 18 and 19 writing on Quranist blogs. Wow.
Godbless,
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Male/ Female The one with + sign going up
Age Half a century minus 7 months
Nationality A citizen of the country with the biggest Muslim population
Parents background ( if different from nationality) Same
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) Statistical Muslim, yes
Level of education BE BA
Are you from a city or from the country? City
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? I was doing a ritual prayer with a shi'a woman who did it completely different to I did (I was a Sunni), then got confused as to why there was difference in ritual practices. A friend of mine told me that was because she was a Shi'a. Prior to the experience I had no idea that there were different sects in Islam. So I decided to do a bit more research and got to learn more and more.
And at what age? 22 and 9 months (still remember the exact Hallelujah moment, actually)
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? I am blessed to have personally met 10 "Qur'anists" since I became one myself. And I know a lot more online .
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? It's more about some hadiths being illogical and incompatible with my sense of spirituality/humanity.
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Thanks to everybody who has commented or answered the questions..
I like all of the great imputs and thoughts about the questions as well..
There is a lot of intresting information in all of your answers so thanks again.. bravoTo MesMorial
Thank you for your detailed answers.. I totally agree that my questions alone would not make a very good assignment on the Quran alone ideology but my intention is only to see if there is a pattern in the followers of quran alone and to wheater or not the followers are alone with their faith etc. This has nothing to do with a much more deep investigation off what the ideology is based on and what it preaches ect.Thanks for the links I will look into them as soon as possible.
To rizsona
This goes for you as well..Thanks for the link and I will look into it and thanks for the contribution.to progod
Intresting to hear your views on the last 10 years as a quran alone follower and thank you for your detailed answers. After your effort to spread the quran alone message are you then still alone in your personal network with this believe? -
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Intresting to hear your views on the last 10 years as a quran alone follower and thank you for your detailed answers. After your effort to spread the quran alone message are you then still alone in your personal network with this believe?Pretty much. I have had some phone exchanges, some lasted longer than others. But my connection with Quranists is online only. I spread my ideas personally now through private conversations, and of course there's my website www.quranists.com
When I see hostility or close-mindedness to Quranism in my personal interactions with other Muslims I move on.Godbless,
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Male/ Female M
Age 35
Nationality Norwegian
Parents background ( if different from nationality)
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) No.
Level of education 13 yrs total, but I am selftaught with that which matters most to me.
Are you from a city or from the country? City
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Researching noncanonical scriptures online, where I came across The Quran, and pretty much accepted it as Gods word, and studied it for a long time, without knowing much about sunni/shia and the Quran Alone label.
And at what age? 26
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Alone.
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both, I guess.