The story of a Precious Crown
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What is wrong with people today? Don?t the both of you (Jafar & Mazhar ) have any sort of understanding? The story is about using reasoning and facts as tools to attain truth instead of following blindly what other people say. GOD DID NOT MAKE US INTO PARROTS. Parrots only mimic what people say. And people who only follow what other people say and don?t reason for themselves are dumb. God gave us minds and a brain so that we will have the ability to think and reason.
Sura 1736 You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Those who are arrogant and stubborn will never attain truth because they themselves and not guided. God does not guide those who willfully choose not to acknowledge him and his signs.
Have the both of you (Jafar & Mazhar) ever read the story of Abraham in the Quran? How he attained ?the Way? by reasoning and then God guided him ??? Sura 674-83
Sura 2171 The example of those who are unappreciative is like the one who repeats what he has heard of calls and shouts; deaf, dumb, and blind; they do not reason.
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What is wrong with people today? Don?t the both of you (Jafar & Mazhar ) have any sort of understanding? The story is about using reasoning and facts as tools to attain truth instead of following blindly what other people say. GOD DID NOT MAKE US INTO PARROTS. Parrots only mimic what people say. And people who only follow what other people say and don?t reason for themselves are dumb. God gave us minds and a brain so that we will have the ability to think and reason.
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I'm sorry KDC but I cannot follow your thought here...
I fully agree with whatever you said above... think think think.. think critically don't act like a parrot.
Furthermore I do agree with Edip's article there in which there are arrogant and silly people who doesn't possess any courage and ability to do 'critical thinking' and/or open mindedness and they also intolerant to different opinion / view. I just add another 'metaphorical' example of how such people react to other people who doesn't share their opinion on the 'beauty of the diamond crown'...Salam / Peace
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I'm sorry KDC but I cannot follow your thought here...
I fully agree with whatever you said above... think think think.. think critically don't act like a parrot.
Furthermore I do agree with Edip's article there in which there are arrogant and silly people who doesn't possess any courage and ability to do 'critical thinking' and/or open mindedness and they also intolerant to different opinion / view. I just add another 'metaphorical' example of how such people react to other people who doesn't share their opinion on the 'beauty of the diamond crown'...Salam / Peace
Very sorry about that. I had no idea you were giving a metaphorical answer.
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Have the both of you (Jafar & Mazhar) ever read the story of Abraham in the Quran? How he attained ?the Way? by reasoning and then God guided him Sura 674-83
He was already on the right path from beginning. He is talking to people to make them apply intellect who keep doing the same thing what their earlier forefathers had been doing, like those who bring in 19 and a false diomond to keep repeating the same old story in more fascinating manner.
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Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
RK`s translation, from http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html
Protection of the scripture, fits with Mohammed finalizing the line of the prophets.
However, the verses are suspicious to my logic yes. 9128 .. full of concern he is for you.. About Mohammed.
Is a messenger of God, full of concern? This doesn
t fit, or atleast I cannot understand it. As I explained in an other thread, being a fulltime messenger of God, to the point that obeying him, is obeying God, saying that this messenger is full of concern, is saying that God is full of concern. It just doesnt make sense. - OR there could be a pattern I don`t see. Are there other accounts in the Quran, where the messenger seems to have personal sentiments, like in hadith, where he does not voice God, but himself? -
Can any body explain ,how verse 9128-129 entered into Quran in The 1st place? Is this not contaradiction of verse
4142 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy ?Allah says no falsehood could enter Quran in the past , yet 9128-129 enterd in Quran. I asked this question in Submission.org. No answer.
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Maybe I am wrong, I`m sorry. Maybe The Quran does express Mohammeds sentiments for some reason. However how is then obeying Mohammed obeying God? Maybe he voiced god, externally, while internally in thoughprocesses, still being what comprised himself. With angels presents, representing God, and his own jinn. !?!? Anyone? Bueller?
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Can any body explain ,how verse 9128-129 entered into Quran in The 1st place? Is this not contaradiction of verse
4142 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy ?Allah says no falsehood could enter Quran in the past , yet 9128-129 enterd in Quran. I asked this question in Submission.org. No answer.
Because the verses 9128-129 never entered the Quran by breaking into the protective code, i.e. they could not get integrated in the Message because of the protective barrier. They were always alien. They were just lying there along with the Message and were only considered as part of the Quran. Assuming, if a counterfeit could actually have entered the Quran through bypassing the protective protocol, then it may not have been possible for any of us to detect them.
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Can any body explain ,how verse 9128-129 entered into Quran in The 1st place? Is this not contaradiction of verse
4142 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy ?Allah says no falsehood could enter Quran in the past , yet 9128-129 enterd in Quran. I asked this question in Submission.org. No answer.
Faruk,
I thougth that through the story of the Precious Crown I made it easier for you to understand the meaning of the proection of the crown. Either I a horrible story teller or you are not a good reader.
Peace,
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Salam all,
Hmm, read the analogy. Let me assure you, you are not a bad story teller, neither is Faruk bad at reading.
May Allah give all of us some brains, peace, love, guidance and all that is good.
----------- Student of Allah