Theory of Evolution anyone ?
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Well, as far as I know that the selection is natural and the mutation is random but not random in a blind way. Its directed by the environment and circumstance the creature goes through in it's lifetime.
One of the most amazing thing I ever came across, Evolution.
Allah knows best
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For verses see
http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/woman-created-from-rib-adam.htmEarly Muslim scientists, hundreds of years before Darwin, e.g. Ibn Khaldun http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah
One should then take a look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the newest group.
The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man. This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.
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No such thing as evolution. It's obvious that the original code/program was there with precise 4-bit chemical instructions to divide/copy itself (i.e. backups , replication, error correcting code, delete functions to use computing language) which is all software and little to do with hardware and the 92 natural elements.
Impossible to leave minerals and gases "rubbing" for billions of years and all of a sudden they "awaken" start talking back at you. What happens over time is devolution where parts of the genetic code get damaged as in the case of cancer and other parts of the code adapts or get amplified (e.g. body building or adapting to climate change) while other parts remain dormant. This is easily verified by looking at a growing cell in a baby or a plant; simply add water and it sprouts!
No, the original code was sprinkled on the earth and what a fantastic program and designer.
Peace
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Hello SEid,
Even though I thank you for sharing your view. May be you misunderstood what I was looking for. I was looking for opinions on Evolution. Not kinds of stuff where a tornado flying through a junkyard ends up creating a F-22 Raptor. I dont know you well enough so its difficult for me to understand where you stand, but if I have to base it on your post(one line is enough)
Impossible to leave minerals and gases "rubbing" for billions of years and all of a sudden they "awaken" start talking back at you.
From the above, it looks like you are talking about a process similar to the F-22 analogy that I have provided. So , in this age of lightning fast internet, it would be better if you get access to books/materials on Evolution and study the basics and come back to tell us your opinion )
Forgive me if I am mistaken somewhere, I am only a human being )
Respect.
----------------------- Student of Allah
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Well, as far as I know that the selection is natural and the mutation is random but not random in a blind way. Its directed by the environment and circumstance the creature goes through in it's lifetime.
I don't think it's a passive process is all. Lets assume that a particle of cosmic radiation can strike a chromosome in a seed, altering its genetic code and lead to some trait in the plant that will carry over to its descendants. God is surely all-knowing. God is the origin of the cosmic radiation, the DNA, everything. God can alter his creation in any way He chooses. God brings life and death to everything that lives.
God knows best.
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Hello Student,
From the above, it looks like you are talking about a process similar to the F-22 analogy that I have provided. So , in this age of lightning fast internet, it would be better if you get access to books/materials on Evolution and study the basics and come back to tell us your opinion
All I have to do is look at my Koi fish pond see "the programmed" creatures as old as the earth...
http//www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/cyanointro.html
Cyanobacteria are aquatic and photosynthetic, that is, they live in the water, and can manufacture their own food. Because they are bacteria, they are quite small and usually unicellular, though they often grow in colonies large enough to see. They have the distinction of being the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old, in fact! It may surprise you then to know that the cyanobacteria are still around; they are one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria on earth.
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I would like to know my the point of view of the members of this site on the subject of Evolution.
By Evolution I mean , Darwinian evolution, evolution by natural selection.It's true... "Survival Of The Fittest".
For homo sapiens, there's additional criterion..
"Survival Of The Nicest"
Those who are wicked shall be destroyed and their genes and/or social culture shall extinct..
The Ad, Thamud, just to name a few.. and there's also the Incan, Mayan, Aztecs, Nazi Facism..Soon to be eradicated .. the sectarians, the religio-facism...
Secularism (Non-sectarianism) is on the rise while sectarianism are on demise.. slowly but sure..
http//www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-09-22-no-religion_N.htmSalam / Peace
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Hello Student,
All I have to do is look at my Koi fish pond see "the programmed" creatures as old as the earth...
http//www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/cyanointro.html
Cyanobacteria are aquatic and photosynthetic, that is, they live in the water, and can manufacture their own food. Because they are bacteria, they are quite small and usually unicellular, though they often grow in colonies large enough to see. They have the distinction of being the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old, in fact! It may surprise you then to know that the cyanobacteria are still around; they are one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria on earth.
Salam SEid,
Earliest life emerged from 4.5-3.5 Billion years ago. And that is well known i believe. One must stop and think that we are talking in BILLIONS of years. a difference of 1 Billion year can not be thought of as similar to difference of a decade. Billion is a huge number.
Anyways, the ingredients of life are still around us, it is adaptation that drives the wheel and makes new kinds of life. So, if the ingredients of life can be present today in the world, i dont see why early forms of simple life "Must" extinct. Evolution is not extinction of a species. Rather, bio diversity.
Let me share something funny For some people fossils are not valid evidences unless it is against evolution
Peace
Allah knows best--------------------- Student of Allah
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God?s system/SUNNATALLAH
The starting points of all BIG and COMPLEX phenomena are tiny and simple. The process of creation began at subatomic, inorganic (359) levels, changing to cellular (41), organic, and then embryonic and finally sex specific (4913) stages, so on and so forth. This requires long, intensive, and tiresome trials and errors, processes of elimination, tests, substitutions of many generations?some one right after another?struggles for existence, through countless recurrences involving minute and gradual changes, resulting in the survival of the fittest, all of which is an unceasing process that carries on to the next stages of creation and evolution.
This is an integral part of God?s way of creating things. In other words, Evolution, or better stated, the Process of Creation, is governed by a set of pre-ordained laws, having a basis, a direction and, consequently, an inevitable and purposeful end/GOAL.
We can observe this absolute ruling of an unchangeable system all over, from subatomic world to inter galactic universes. It is a single uniform, continuous, none-interruptive and harmonious system (312, which has never changed in the past and will not change in the future (3543). That is God?s lawful SYSTEM, or, in other words, SUNNATALLAH.
Considering any exceptions, like explaining the creation of mankind in a different way through philosophy, idealism and age old religious superstitions, will lead us to believe that God?s system (SUNNATALLAH) is a broken, chopped up, none-uniform and discriminatory system that, it?s governing laws change from one form of creation to another. This is the basic belief in paganism?the belief in multiple systems, which inevitably leads to, belief in multiple gods.
According to the Qur?an, the creation of the Universe, the Heavens, and the Earth, did similarly, start out tiny and simple?SIX ?days? (754, 103, 117, 2559, 324, 5038, 574) before the BIG bang (2130). During these six ?days?, this ?cell/embryo?, ?theHeavensandtheEarth?, was within an ?enclosure? as a collective sum, just like a baby growing in the womb before birth.
During the BIG bang/the NEW BIRTH (2130), the next stages/the next EIGHT ?days? (419-12), of creation and evolution of the UNIVERSE began.
We are now in the latter parts of the FOURTEENTH ?day?, of the creation of the Universe.
The Qur?an informs us about the coming of the Fifteenth/the LAST ?day.? Believing in the Last day is the 2nd article of belief in ISLAM.
The 1st article of belief in our faith, Islam, is to believing-in and worshiping the ONE and ONLY God, ALLAH. 2nd to that, most emphasis has been made on, believing-in the coming of the LAST ?day?. It is named the LAST ?day? because there is no END to it. It is going to be the everlasting ?day? (2255), thee GOAL, the END RESULT, the PURPOSE of the CREATION as ONE SINGLE LIVING ENTITY, from start to end (312.
Human societies as tiny/NEXT TO NOTHING parts of God?s Creation are of no exception and are subject to the same SYSTEM/LAW, following the same path. The ones that follow God?s LAWS more closely/better adaptation, will flourish and last longer to enjoy their existence better and longer than others. Even those who were superior, when corrupted, were annihilated and replaced by better-fitting generations and societies.
Let us contemplate 2920, which states, ??Roam the Earth and observe how God started the creation??
God wants us to simply observe His creation within the Earth alone, no need to even go anywhere else, just search through the Earth and find out how He started the creation, even our own creation.
Now, if it is not possible for us to roam the Earth and find out for ourselves, we can at least study the works of those who have spent lifetimes doing so. We certainly cannot, and must not, ignore and/or deny the immense works of Charles Darwin, and colleagues of his time, as well as those who came before, and after him. Those are the people who in reality, and as The Qur?an say in 2920, did roam the Earth, and studied it closely, and carefully recorded in detail, how God started His creation. Their explanation of the process of creation is indeed nearest to the truth.
For ages, the orthodox religions have ?explained? the Universe purely through speculation and unjustifiable interpretations. Afterwards, when confronted with the solid truth of evolutionary creation, started denying it, mocking it, and, in the end, for the sake of their worldly interests, tried to ?prevent? its dispersion . Their efforts are indeed the reason why the young and educated are generally resentful towards the idea of religion.
We need to rid our minds of the traditional, orthodox, and generally superstitious ways of explaining the verses of the Qur?an. We need to explain things as they really are in the nature, otherwise we will never understand the truth behind our lives and the very world in which we are living. If this is not done we will continue to be among the lost/losers, or KHASIROON. Some of these traditional ideas are as follows
? The belief which states that we humans were created in Heaven/Paradise, and used to live there, and then were exiled onto the Earth as a result of committing a horrendous sin, has no Qur?anic basis unless we begin assuming the clear and straightforward message of the Qur?an. The Qur?an tells us that God started the creation of human, not Adam, from clay (327), a material part of the Earth itself. Throughout the Qur?an, God explains the different stages of human creation, as well as his EVOLUTION, in a very easy to understand and clear language.
The idea of being a sinner without having a slightest clue in mind or memory of committing such a sin far, far away in the past, does not hold water with God?s system of justice. The Qur?an tells us that even in the Hereafter, we will be carrying a clear record of our deeds of this present life and we ourselves will be enough towards our own reckoning (1714).? The belief that states that the Satan is a temporary god on Earth has no Qur?anic proof either. Satan himself on The Judgment will deny his followers of such a claim and will confess that his Lord is God, Allah (5916).
? There is yet another belief which states that the righteous will not die and go straight to Heaven/Paradise! The Qur?an, in three different verses, 3185, 2135 and 2957, tells us that every living creature/soul will taste the death. In 3930, the prophet Muhammad is told very clearly that he will certainly be among the dead, just as everyone else will. According to The Qur?an, Hereafter or The Last Day (and consequently, Paradise and Hell) are events of the future/the LAST ?DAY? (2920), the next stage of the evolution of the Universe, and do not yet exist.
? The belief that states the first FORTY years of our life is just a grace period and those who die before age of forty go straight to Heaven/Paradise, forgiven of all their sins, has no Qur?anic basis. And considering that, in two verses, 448 and 4116, God tells us very plainly that He does NOT forgive the sin of SHIRK, i.e., associating partners with Him. I am sure there have been multitudes of people in the past that have died before the age of forty, maintaining ideologically polytheistic beliefs until their death, and consequently would NOT end up in Heaven/Paradise.
Peace,
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The body of evidence which supports the theory is overwhelming, and I don't see anything in the Quran to refute the theory as it's presented today.
If anything, one could make the argument that the Quran itself establishes evolution by using verses which imply that organisms are a product of the earth, and that all organisms are related, and that we have been created in stages.
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Salam,
So I am not alone in rejecting the non-Quranic relgious bias of those flat earth creationists ? cool... kgwithnob put it very nicely, "Evolution, the process of creation".
PEACE
----------- Student of Allah
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Impossible to leave minerals and gases "rubbing" for billions of years and all of a sudden they "awaken" start talking back at you. What happens over time is devolution where parts of the genetic code get damaged as in the case of cancer and other parts of the code adapts or get amplified (e.g. body building or adapting to climate change) while other parts remain dormant.
Don't forget aging
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Reply to post given here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602635.msg281863#msg281863
Highlight above is from me.
I mean they are different in ESSENCE, made of two different substances, as we read in verse 712 below.
He said What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.
Peace,
KhalilIblis isn't a Jinn. Iblis is of (mina) the Jinn; arrogant, proud, disobedient, and among the first creation made before Nasi. Allah even expounds upon their creation
"I made them not witnesses of the creation of the heavens and earth, neither of the creation of themselves; I would not ever take those who lead others astray to be My supporters." Surah 1851
"And when We said to the angels, 'Bow yourselves to Adam'; so they bowed themselves, save Iblis; he was (kana) of (mina) the jinn (aljinni), he rebelled (fafasaqa) against (AAan) his Lord's command (amri rabbih). What, and do you take him and his offspring to be your friends, apart from Me, and they an enemy to you? How evil is that exchange for the evildoers!" Surah 1850
Iblis is an angel - malikatan. No where does Allah command any but the malikatan to bow before Adam (pbuh).
"And when We said to the angels, 'Bow yourselves to Adam'; so they bowed themselves, save Iblis; he refused, and waxed proud, and so he was (wakana) of (mina) the unbelievers." Surah 234
"We created you, then We shaped you, then We said to the angels 'Bow yourselves to Adam'; so they bowed themselves, save Iblis -- he was not of those that bowed themselves." Surah 711
"save Iblis; he refused to be among those bowing." Surah 1531
"And when We said to the angels, 'Bow yourselves to Adam'; so they bowed themselves, save Iblis; he refused." Surah 20116
As the Jinn were disobedient human beings prior to the creation of Nasi, they are the offspring of Iblis Among the first created, rebelling against the command of Allah, and leading others astray.
So while you try to make Iblis into a Jinn, Iblis is actually a malikatan - a controlling force commanded to be made subject to man, but Iblis refused.
The angels are the controlling forces of this world created by Allah; the forces of nature made subject to man through the knowledge given to us by Allah Science.
Subjected (sakhara) Surah 1614, 2265, 6715
? It is He who made the earth subjected to you; therefore walk in its tracts, and eat of His provision; to Him is the Uprising.? Surah 6715?It is He who subjected to you the sea, that you may eat of it fresh flesh, and bring forth out of it ornaments for you to wear; and thou mayest see the ships cleaving through it; and that you may seek of His bounty, and so haply you will be thankful.? Surah 1614
?Hast thou not seen how that God has subjected to you all that is in the earth and the ships to run upon the sea at His commandment, and He holds back heaven lest it should fall upon the earth, save by His leave? Surely God is All-gentle to men, All-compassionate.? Surah 2265
So if angels control the forces of nature, what part of nature does Iblis control?
Human nature. Iblis controls our free will. Such is the nature of humans To disobey our Creator and follow our own carnal/earthly desires by listening to that voice in their heart that tells them to disobey.
Our soul (alnnafsa) whisper to us Surah 1253, 5016, 530, 1145
"Then his soul prompted him to slay his brother, and he slew him, and became one of the losers." Surah 530
"Yet I claim not that my soul was innocent -- surely the soul incites to evil -- except inasmuch as my Lord had mercy; truly my Lord is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.'" Surah 1253
"We indeed created humans (al-insana); and We know what his soul whispers within him, and We are nearer to him than the jugular vein." Surah 5016
"who whispers in the breasts of Nasi" Surah 1145
Our brain - a hemisphere on the right and a hemisphere on the left - records every thought, every deed Surah 5016-18
Angels, and that includes Iblis, are not humans.
Jinn are not angels, as the angels do not disobey Allah."The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of God, neither the angels who are near stationed to Him. Whosoever disdains to serve Him, and waxes proud, He will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them." Surah 4172
"the thunder proclaims His praise, and the angels, in awe of Him. He looses the thunderbolts, and smites with them whomsoever He will; yet they dispute about God, who is mighty in power." Surah 1313
"We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to carry it and were afraid of it; and mankind carried it. Surely he is sinful, very foolish." Surah 3372
"Believers, guard yourselves and your families against a Fire whose fuel is men and stones, and over which are harsh, terrible angels who disobey not God in what He commands them and do what they are commanded." Surah 666
"Upon the day when the Spirit and the angels stand in ranks they shall speak not, save him to whom the All-merciful has given leave, and who speaks aright." Surah 7838
No where in the Quran is any other angel disobedient but Iblis.
Iblis was created to rebel
"He said, "Now, for that Thou hast misled me (aghwaytanee), surely in thy straight path will I lay wait for them" Surah 716
"Said he, 'My Lord, for Thy perverting me I shall deck all fair to them in the earth, and I shall pervert them, all together," Surah 1539
Allah is in control of everything. Allah told the angels He knew something they did not. If He chooses to lead anyone astray, no one can guide them.
"What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err (adalla)? And whomsoever Allah causes to err (yudlili), you shall by no means find a way for him." Surah 488
Jinn are not angels.
You are more than welcome to believe Jinn are spiritual creatures that do evil around the world.
But I cannot as the Quran does not teach it.Peace.
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...So while you try to make Iblis into a Jinn, Iblis is actually a malikatan - a controlling force commanded to be made subject to man, but Iblis refused...
Peace.Highlight is from me.
According to The Qur?aan both the JINNS & IBLIS, are of the same ESSENCE in CREATION, i.e. both are made of FIRE. In that case, and as The Qur?aan says in verse 1850, he is from among the JINNS.
I did NOT try to make Iblis into a Jinn. As the above verse informs us, Iblis is from the Jinn.
Peace,
Khalil -
Salam Raggin-Taggin and Knightworth(actually kdwithnob, but my brain reads it that way,cant help it),
I cant help but ask, what has this gotta do with Theory of Evolution ?
Peace be on you
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Raginggaijin
"And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind." (1527)
"And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke" (5515)
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Salam Raggin-Taggin and Knightworth(actually kdwithnob, but my brain reads it that way,cant help it),
I cant help but ask, what has this gotta do with Theory of Evolution ?
Peace be with you,
This was a response to kgwithnob in the thread about the qiblah, after I brought up the Jinn and Birds. I'll repost the reply to him for consistency
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602528.msg281821#msg281821
This is the superstition I have to deal with...
I want you to notice what you just posted
"We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire."
The Jinn were created before the Nasi.
I also want you to note you are using the Arabic word for 'Jinn', but you translate (Nasi) into 'Man'. So already a deception is occurring. But we'll get to that.
Jinn were created before Nasi, which shows Nasi are successors of the Jinn. This is upheld in the Quran.
Successor (Khalif) Surah 230, 3170, 49, 6133, 6165, 717, 769, 774, 7142, 7150, 7169, 9118, 1014, 1073, 1092, 1311, 1959, 2128, 2276, 2762, 349, 3539, 369, 3645, 3826, 4114, 4125, 4142, 4360, 4621, 6715, 7227
?And when thy Lord said to the angels, 'I am setting in the earth a successor (khaleefatan).' They said, 'What, wilt Thou set therein one who will do corruption there, and shed blood, while We proclaim Thy praise and call Thee Holy?' He said, 'Assuredly I know that you know not.'? Surah 230"What, do you wonder that a reminder from your Lord should come to you by the lips of a man from among you? That he may warn you; and remember when He appointed you as successors (khulafaa) after the people of Noah, and increased you in stature broadly; remember God's bounties; haply you will prosper.'" Surah 769
"And there succeeded after them a succession who inherited the Book, taking the chance goods of this lower world, and saying, 'It will be forgiven us'; and if chance goods the like of them come to them, they will take them. Has not the compact of the Book been taken touching them, that they should say concerning God nothing but the truth? And they have studied what is in it; and the Last Abode is better for those who are godfearing. Do you not understand?" Surah 7169
"And to the three who were left behind (khullifoo), until, when the earth became strait for them, for all its breadth, and their souls became strait for them, and they thought that there was no shelter from God except in Him, then He turned towards them, that they might also turn; surely God turns, and is All-compassionate." Surah 9118
"Had We willed, We would have made angels among you successors (yakhlufoona) in the earth." Surah 4360
Allah states clearly Nasi are made from the seed of another people.
"Thy Lord is All-sufficient, Merciful. If He will, He can put you away, and leave after you, to succeed you (wayastakhlif), what He will, as He produced you from the seed (dhurriyyati) of another (kharna) people (qawmin)." Surah 6133
He even gives details how Adam (pbuh) was made.
?He is the Knower of the Unseen and the Visible, the All-mighty, the All-compassionate, Who has created all things well. And He originated the creation of humans (al-insani) of clay (min teenin), then He fashioned his descendant (naslahu) of an extraction (sulalatin) of low (maheenin) water (ma-in), then He shaped (sawwahu) him, and breathed His spirit (roohihi) in him. And He appointed for you hearing, and sight, and hearts; little thanks you show.? Surah 326-9
There is only one Nasi spoken of in the Quran who was shaped and had Allah's ruh breathed into him - Adam (pbuh) Surah 1529, 329, 3872
If all human beings sprung from the joining of one couple, Allah would not make distinction between the bloodline of the Prophets (pbut), as we all would be from the seed of Adam (pbuh).
(dhurriyyatī offspring Surah 2124, 2128, 2266, 334, 336, 338, 49, 684, 687, 6133, 7172, 7173, 1083, 1338, 1437, 1440, 173, 1762, 1850, 1958, 2927, 3641, 3777, 37113, 4615, 5221, 5726
Seed of Adam Surah 333, 683-87, 7172, 172-3, 1958. 5726?We have honoured the Children of Adam and carried them on land and sea, and provided them with good things, and preferred them greatly over many of those We created.? Surah 1770
"That is Our argument, which We bestowed upon Abraham as against his people. We raise up in degrees whom We will; surely thy Lord is All-wise, All-knowing.
And We gave to him Isaac and Jacob -- each one We guided, And Noah We guided before; and of his seed (dhurriyyatihi) David and Solomon, Job and Joseph, Moses and Aaron -- even so We recompense the good-doers -- Zachariah and John, Isa and Elias; each was of the righteous; Ishmael and Elisha, Jonah and Lot - each one We preferred above all beings; and of their fathers, and of their seed (wadhurriyytihim), and of their brethren (wa-ikh'wnihim); and We elected them, and We guided them to a straight path." Surah 683-87"And We gave Moses the Book, and made it a guidance to the Children of Israel 'Take not unto yourselves any guardian apart from Me.' The seed (dhurriyyata) of those We bore with Noah; he was a thankful servant." Surah 172-3
"These are they whom God has blessed among the Prophets of the seed (dhurriyyati) of Adam, and of those We bore with Noah, and of the seed (dhurriyyati) of Abraham and Israel, and of those We guided and chose. When the signs of the All-merciful were recited to them, they fell down prostrate, weeping." Surah 1958
"And We sent Noah, and Abraham, and We appointed the Prophecy and the Book to be among their seed (dhurriyyatihim and some of them are guided, and many of them are ungodly." Surah 5726
The Jinn are human beings.
Jinn are Christians ? Byzantines ? who accepted the Quran Surah 721-18
Jinn are Yahudians ? Persians ? who accepted the Quran Surah 4629-30
Jew and Christian polytheists who lead astray Surah 2105, 2120, 2135, 2140, 367, 395, 3151, 3186, 582, 6106, 6137, 6161, 931-33, 10105, 16120, 2217, 981-6Jinn are foreigners among Nasi Surah 6128-131, 2217, 3412-13, 738, 7179
'Ajam' ? ?Non-Arab? or ?Persian? Surah 16103, 4144, 26198
Roman-Persian wars Surah 302-4, 1051-5
Solomon?s Jinn in Quran Surah 2716-41, 3412-13
Solomon's Jinn in previous Books I Kings 513-17, II Chron. 217-18, II Chron. 44-6But, but, but... They are made of SMOKELESS FIRE!!!!!!!111111111oneoneoneoneleventeen.
The same people who uphold these superstitious beliefs are often among the many who point to the scientific miracles in the Quran.
One such miracle is Surah 2130
"Have not the unbelievers then beheld that the heavens and the earth were a mass all sewn up, and then We unstitched them and of water fashioned every living thing? Will they not believe?" Surah 2130
This is from the Arberry Quran, translated in 1950. The Yusuf Ali Quran, translated in the 1920s reads
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Surah 2130
In 1978, the Nobel Prize was awarded for the theory of the Big Bang. This theory postulates that the universe was one mass - a monoblock - that was blown apart and sent out into the void.
Press release for 1978 Nobel Peace Prize
http//nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1978/press.html"A theory developed by the American physicist Gamow and his associates suggested that this synthesis took place at the beginning of the existence of the universe. It is known from studies of the spectra of stars and galaxies that the universe is at present expanding uniformly. This means that at a certain point, 15 billion years ago, the universe was very compact; it is thus tempting to assume that the universe was created by a cosmic explosion, or 'big bang', although other explanations are possible. This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees. Only at those temperatures can various nuclear reactions take place such that chemical elements could be built up from the elementary particles assumed to be present from the very beginning."
Here Scientists - the largest group of unbelievers I know of who cannot believe in something without proof - are showing how the components of all life and matter in the universe was created in this one Big Bang of intense heat and expansion.
Let's repeat that "This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees."
This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees.
This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees.Jinn created before Nasi of a released, scorching fire Surah 1527, 5515
?And He created (Wakhalaqa) the jinn of (aljanna min) release (marijin) of fire (min narin).? Surah 5515
?and the jinn created We before of fire scorching (alssamoomi).? Surah 1527While someone who upholds superstition sees evil fire creatures lurking in the aether, I see the intense heat of the Big Bang creating the components of all life itself.
You would think, if the Quran still speaks of the Jinn, there would be some way to know them from the Nasi. After all, Allah makes it clear in Surah 1145-6 that the Jinn are part of the Nasi
"Allathee yuwaswisu fee sudoori alnnasi Mina aljinnati waalnnasi" 1145-6
"who whispers in the breasts of nasi, of jinn and nasi.'" Surah 1145-6If we are ALL Nasi, but there are still Jinn in and among the Nasi, there must be some indication of these Jinn that still remains if they are humans, right? If the Quran says it, then we should find some indication of it.
Neanderthal DNA still found in modern Homo Sapiens
Neanderthals, Humans Interbred?First Solid DNA Evidence
"The next time you're tempted to call some oaf a Neanderthal, you might want to take a look in the mirror.
According to a new DNA study, most humans have a little Neanderthal in them?at least 1 to 4 percent of a person's genetic makeup.
The study uncovered the first solid genetic evidence that "modern" humans?or Homo sapiens?interbred with their Neanderthal neighbors, who mysteriously died out about 30,000 years ago.
What's more, the Neanderthal-modern human mating apparently took place in the Middle East, shortly after modern humans had left Africa, not in Europe?as has long been suspected."Read more http//news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene/
Study Neanderthal DNA Lives On in Modern Humans
"Still, other paleoanthropologists say the discovery is not entirely unexpected. There is ample archaeological evidence ? including tools, habitation sites and fossils ? that Neanderthals and early modern humans may have coexisted in the Middle East as much as 80,000 years ago, and certainly in Europe 30,000 to 45,000 years ago. What has been missing until now is the genetic evidence."The fact that they found it across the board says that the evidence must be very widespread across modern humans," says Erik Trinkaus, an anthropologist at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo., who has long argued that the human fossils he has studied in France, Romania, the Czech Republic and other places show mixed ancestry. "If you can find evidence after 30,000 years of genetic shifting, then it must have been pretty important or prominent then." Trinkaus speculates that the genetic flow between Neanderthals and early modern humans might have been as high as 10% to 20%.
The new finding may prompt a tweaking of the well-known Out of Africa theory, which in its strictest interpretation says a small group of early modern humans left Africa and outcompeted and replaced all other hominids without any interbreeding. The alternate theory, known as multiregionalism, argues that distinct populations of modern humans developed simultaneously around the world and along the same evolutionary lines by swapping genes.
"What we falsify here is the very hard Out of Africa theory," said P??bo. "We show that outside Africa there is this 1% to 4% that came from archaic humans. Of course, it's totally possible that archaic forms that we don't know contributed to Africans today. I don't think we should take this as evidence that only people outside Africa have some 'caveman' biology within them."
According to Trinkaus, many paleoanthropologists have long believed that early modern humans and Neanderthals interbred. "People have been saying this for decades," he argues. "The minority position was the position that there was no gene flow. Most people who work with the fossil record support some level of admixture."Whatever our mixing, it is human uniqueness that has also been revealed by the sequencing. By comparing the Neanderthal genome with those of modern humans, the team identified a small number of genetic changes that were newly evolved in modern humans. Some of the changes may have arisen as a result of genetic drift, but others seem to have been positively selected for ? meaning they swept through populations rapidly, possibly because they gave us some advantage."
Read more http//www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1987568-2,00.html
So we do find remnants of the Jinn - Neanderthal man - who was created before Homo Sapien man. We find this in the DNA of Homo Sapien - the Nasi.
I don't believe in a 'Creation' theory, where 'man' was poof suddenly made after an old man in a beard rolled up his sleeves and sculpted him.
I don't believe in a 'Evolution' theory, where 'man' is a series of lucky breaks in evolutionary shifts in such a manner that it is a leap of faith in and of itself.
I believe in an Intervention theory, where Allah guided the path of each successor. Allah says 'Be' and it is, and it is in accord with the Sunnah He has instilled into this world. A world that upholds logic, reason, and evidence-based research.Why would someone want to hide that Jinn are humans, who hold the same ties to Nasi?
"Say 'If the Last Abode with God is yours exclusively, and not for other people, then long for death -- if you speak truly.'" Surah 294
"Say 'You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of God, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.'" Surah 626Hebrew ?nasi? president, prince, ruler
Lev. 422, Eze. 442-18, Ezra 18What are the common translations for 'Nasi' in Arabic men, people, rulers/viceroys
From the Babylonian Talmud
Sanhedrin 57a When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean", there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Baba Kamma 113a Jews may use lies ("subterfuges" to circumvent a Gentile.
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Baba Mezia 24a If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen" it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b)."Say "The Truth has arrived, and falsehood neither originates, nor reproduces." Surah 3449
It's the same false teachings recycled into what is taught in the religions of man.
"Some of the Jews pervert words from their meanings saying, 'We have heard and we disobey' and 'Hear, and be thou not given to hear' and 'Observe us,' twisting with their tongues and traducing religion. If they had said, 'We have heard and obey' and 'Hear' and 'Regard us,' it would have been better for them, and more upright; but God has cursed them for their unbelief so they believe not except a few." Surah 446
"People of the Book, now there has come to you Our Messenger, making clear to you many things you have been concealing of the Book, and effacing many things. There has come to you from God a light, and a Book Manifest" Surah 515
"Then the evildoers of them substituted a saying other than that which had been said to them; so We sent down upon them wrath out of heaven for their evildoing." Surah 7162
And let's not forget the Birds.
?And Solomon was David's heir, and he said, 'Nasi (alnnasu), we have been taught the speech of the birds (alttayri), and we have been given of everything; surely this is indeed the manifest bounty.'? Surah 2716
Solomon wasn't the only person who knew 'the speech of birds'. The Nasi were taught it as well.
Phoenicia(from the Greek Greek Phoin?kē, was an ancient civilization in Canaan which covered most of the western, coastal part of the fertile Crescent. "Phoenicia" is really a Classical Greek term used to refer to the region of the major Canaanite port towns, and does not correspond exactly to a cultural identity that would have been recognised by the Phoenicians themselves. It is uncertain to what extent the Phoenicians viewed themselves as a single ethnicity. Their civilization was organized in city-states, similar to ancient Greece. However In terms of archaeology, language, life style and religion, there is little to set the Phoenicians apart as markedly different from other cultures of Canaan. As Canaanites, they were unique in their remarkable seafaring achievements.
Around 1600 B.C. the Phoenicians invented 22 ?magic signs? called the alphabet, and passed them onto the world. The Phoenicians gave the alphabet to the Greeks who adopted it; the evolution of the Phoenician Alphabet to Etruscan alphabet to the Latin letters of present-day. The Phoenicians were the first state-level society to make extensive use of the alphabet. The Phoenician phonetic alphabet is generally believed to be the ancestor of almost all modern alphabets, although it did not contain any vowels (these were added later by the Greeks). From a traditional linguistic perspective, they spoke Phoenician, a Canaanite dialect. However, due to the very slight differences in language, and the insufficient records of the time, whether Phoenician formed a separate and united dialect, or was merely a superficially defined part of a broader language continuum, is unclear. Through their maritime trade, the Phoenicians spread the use of the alphabet to North Africa and Europe, where it was adopted by the Greeks, who later passed it on to the Etruscans, who in turn transmitted it to the Romans.Hudhud, aka 'Hoopoe' - the bird with the crest on it's head?
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A Greek helmet
http//www.lawrensnest.com/images/GRK6058BP.jpg(The Hoopoe is also Israel's National Bird, for those interested.)
The Phoenicans were assimilated into the Greek empire, which was assimilated into the Roman empire to become the Byzantine Empire. What is the flag of the Byzantine Empire?
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But hey, I'm the crazy one. Right?
This is where your superstition gets you into trouble, as you lay your beliefs over what is actually taught.
There are 3 types of people described in the Quran.
3 types of people Surah 746-48, 567-11
- The Foremost
- The People of the Right Hand
- The People of the Left Hand
The Foremost/Outstrippers are
"a throng of the ancients and how few of the later folk." Surah 5613-14The People of the Right Hand are
"A throng of the ancients and a throng of the later folk." Surah 5639-40Allah names both partitions, 'The ancients (al-awwaleena) and the later folk (waal-akhireena)' in Surah 5649
The People of the Left Hand abide in the Fire. Surah 5649-56The two Gardens are for the Foremost and the People of the Right Hand.
The Foremost are in elevated rank, and are in better reward in the Hereafter. Allah teaches of the believers in Paradise, those in the Ramparts, and those in the Fire
"The inhabitants of Paradise will call to the inhabitants of the Fire 'We have found that. which our Lord promised us true; have you found what your Lord promised you true?' 'Yes,' they will say. And then a herald shall proclaim between them 'God's curse is on the evildoers
who bar from God's way, desiring to make it crooked, disbelieving in the world to come.
And between them is a veil, and on the Ramparts are men knowing each by their mark, who shall call to the inhabitants of Paradise 'Peace be upon you! They have not entered it, for all their eagerness.'" Surah 744-46So the Ramparts are one Garden for the Foremost, while the other Garden is for the People of the Right Hand, who are believers but are not foremost in deeds.
Now, you are more than welcome to believe in invisible fire spirits, and that Allah sculpted a man out of clay and made him come alive like Pinocchio, and that Prophets (pbut) were able to speak to birds in a Walt Disney fashion.
But don't expect me to believe it when there is no proof for it.Peace.
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Raginggaijin
"And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind." (1527)
"And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke" (5515)
Proof GOD
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcVu-CpzXQProof Jinn
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjC7dEMkDUProof Birds
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEpjv2nAhoFeel free to uphold teachings of the ancients of evil spirits and boogeymen.
The Quran does not uphold the teachings of the ancients, so I cannot believe as you believe.
I believe Jinn are the race of humans that preceded Nasi.Peace.
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In the end Allah knows best. Raging Gaijinn its me Hamit from youtube =D lol. Personally It makes absolute and logical sense that Jinn are humans. reasonable logic tells me it makes absolutely no sense how humans take refuge with invisible spirits. It also makes no sense that an invisible spirit with no physical body no organs, no sperm, can copulate with a human. When such biological mixing is impossible between certain animals, let alone a fire race and a human. Also since fire is a form of energy or element, it is not subject to physical decay and death. So as I understand, Logically speaking Jinn are humans. Also the fact for genetic differences makes one wonder. Either Adam was the first nasi, and jin are not human. or it presents a contradiction. as if all humans are from adam directly why genetic variance? Allah knows best though. I am not a scientist. However the only thing I do not agree with. Or rather let me rephrase that, dont have much knowledge or understanding of. Is this whole Iblis being an Angel. If I remember correctly unless the verse is wrongly translated. Is that Allah says he will throw Iblis in hell with all those who he misguided. So It also leades to the question. who is the "Iblis" on other planets? If Iblis is employed to tempt us. what tempts other creations in the universe? But then its pointless to probe our minds in such things. Logically speaking Jinn cant be spirits. However this presents the dilemma where many are advocating angels are humans as well. Like Aidad Safar, and some other Quranist groups. It makes absolutely no sense. Have you read any of there work? When I ask for evidence they never really provide any. Just persist in a rant that angels not being human is superstitious. lol. Salam brothers/sisters
