HOW WILL THE UNIVERSE END?
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Salam,
Cant say anything with absolute certainty. But to go with our general understanding of the universe, either a big crunch or expanding till mass fades to zero volume . It depends on the mass of the universe though !!
PEACE
------------------- Student of Allah
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Doesn't the Quran teach us that the heavens will close like a book/ roll up like a scroll? Especially the latter would fit very well with a big crunch scenario. God knows best.
Peace!I don't think it's in the Quran mate.. although please correct me if i'm wrong..
However it's being described as such in the book of revelation..
"The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."
Revelation 614And the book of Isaiah as well..
"All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
Isaiah 34Yup it's the big crunch....
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Salam all,
Well, I wasnt using Qur'an to try to answer that. Rather, was trying to explain it using modern scientific ideas based on observed facts combined wth pylosophy of nature combined and strict mathematic principles. Yes, as muslims we may wish to investigate into the Qur'anic ideas. But thats comparing religion with science, not practicing science. Science is the way, the truth and the light ...lol. I believe Allah wants us to follow the truth !!
PEACE
------------------ Student of Allah
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Well, I wasnt using Qur'an to try to answer that. Rather, was trying to explain it using modern scientific ideas based on observed facts combined wth pylosophy of nature combined and strict mathematic principles. Yes, as muslims we may wish to investigate into the Qur'anic ideas. But thats comparing religion with science, not practicing science. Science is the way, the truth and the light ...lol. I believe Allah wants us to follow the truth !!
Science is a methodology my dear (not the truth itself)
Which basically question->hypothesis A->test->hypothesis B->test (until you find satisfiable hypothesis to the question)
Follow it then you shall progress 'closer' towards the truth..Salam / Peace
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I don't think it's in the Quran mate.. although please correct me if i'm wrong..
The red highlighting above is from me.
How about the verse 21104 below?
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.
Peace,
Khalil -
The red highlighting above is from me.
How about the verse 21104 below?
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.
Syukron Khalil..
Then we have 3 books which basically said the same thing...Salam / Peace
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Greetings and Peace, all group
I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here, so beg pardon in advance for using another poet's words.
"Fire and Ice" (by Robert Frost)
Some say the world will end in fire;
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Salaam All.
21104 is a good verse which I think ties in nicely with the theory of the big crunch. If you have not heard of it check the description on this link
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
I think the theory of the big bang and the theory of the big crunch ties in nicely with the verse ''To Allah we belong and to him we shall return''
Peace
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Science is a methodology my dear (not the truth itself)
Which basically question->hypothesis A->test->hypothesis B->test (until you find satisfiable hypothesis to the question)
Follow it then you shall progress 'closer' towards the truth..Salam / Peace
Salam,
In agreement with you, Science takes us closer to the truth everyday. This methodology is awesome, it isnt biased , it doesnt care about what your personal belief is.
Peace
---------------- Student of Allah
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In agreement with you, Science takes us closer to the truth everyday. This methodology is awesome, it isnt biased , it doesnt care about what your personal belief is.
Salaam
Science is a great methodology, and it has given great knowledge in many fields. In other fields of research it doesn't work as well, since there's no reliably quantifiable data to work with.
Cosmology and astronomy is a field where science and engineering combined has produced astonishing insights into creation.
As for how it will all end, I prefer the weight of God's words over the latest human guesses on the mass of the universe, and how this will affect expansion/contraction. That doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the labor of those who strive to make better and better guesses. -
In agreement with you, Science takes us closer to the truth everyday. This methodology is awesome, it isnt biased , it doesnt care about what your personal belief is.
The great thing about 'scientific methodology' and 'scientific culture' over 'dogmatic sectarian/religious culture' is that everything are free to be questioned, re-questioned and re-examined.
There are no such thing as "BLASPHEMY" in science...
Scientific culture really applies the basic fundamental concept being told in the Quran..
"There are no compulsory in Belief as Truth stands out clear from error". (2256)Historical example
Copernicus convicted with 'blasphemy' due to his theory of 'Sun as the center of the Universe' against the sectarian priest dogma of "Earth as the center of the universe". As it turns out BOTH Hypothesis are WRONG! Both Sun and Earth is NOT the center of the universe.As human learned more they realize that the question itself need to be re-examined.. to determine the 'center of the universe' we need to define "What is the Universe" which is the focus of cosmology / astronomical science at the moment. There are probability that there are no such thing as the 'center of the universe'.
Having said that;
The 'big crunch' is the logical end to the 'big bang'..
Contracted universe is the logical end to the 'expanding universe'.
This is the 'current trend'.. however it's (always) open for re-questioning and re-examination.
And nobody will get charged of "Blasphemy" and/or received death threat by doing so...Salam / Peace
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When the horn's blown, the universe end.
And on the Day when the horn is blown, then those in the heavens and the Earth will be in terror except for whom God wills. And all shall come to Him humbled. (2787)
http//www.alquran-indonesia.com/web/uploads/files/unihorn.jpgGet what i mean?
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When the horn's blown, the universe end.
And on the Day when the horn is blown, then those in the heavens and the Earth will be in terror except for whom God wills. And all shall come to Him humbled. (2787)
http//www.alquran-indonesia.com/web/uploads/files/unihorn.jpgGet what i mean?
Very interesting take on this verse. The horn in the Quran could possibly describe the shape of the universe itself. In any case we can never be certain about this interpretation. But I still like it.
Peace,
Kevin.
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peace
whatever says the science (big crunch or eternal expansion utils atoms disaggregation), universe is the GOD of atheits and should die, like all other false divinities.
Only the face of GOD Should remain
2888 And do not call besides God any god, there is no god except He. Everything will fade away except His face. To Him is the judgment, and to Him you will be returned -
Peace,
Flat Universe
by John Carl Villanueva on August 8, 2009Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on emailShare on printMore Sharing Services
Want to stay on top of all the space news? Follow @universetoday on TwitterMuch of the measurements made that strive to determine the shape of the Universe point to one picture ? we are living in a flat universe. This was first declared by a group of scientists working on the Boomerang project and later on confirmed with sharp accuracy by the WMAP (Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe).
Both the Boomerang experiment and the WMAP draw their conclusions by mapping out cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR), a faint background glow that is found to be almost the same in all directions. The presence of the CMBR is the most convincing proof that catapulted the Big Bang way ahead of other cosmological theories.
The Big Bang theory has spewed forth theories that strive to predict the way the Universe will end. Among them are the Big Crunch, Big Bounce, Big Freeze, and Big Rip. All four of them are dependent on a handful of factors, and one of them is the Universe?s shape.
Read more http//www.universetoday.com/37029/flat-universe/#ixzz2EmpqAdq1
A flat universe appears to be more agreeable with the scenario presented by Quran.
The big crunch seem consistant with ayat 21104
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.
Peace O0
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The red highlighting above is from me.
How about the verse 21104 below?
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.
Peace,
KhalilI think this refers to rain clouds.
In reality, nobody knows yet, because we can't measure dark matter. That's why we have several models, the least possible today is what was termed the Big Crunch or Big Bounce in the 90's. Space - not gravitationally bound objects - is expanding at an acceleration rate and nobody today knows what the ratio between gravity and inflation is.