Like Polytheist ingrates, atheists too are running away from 19 like zebras
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looks like someone else needs to get over themselves !!
He started posting multiples, therefore...
Perhaps you'll answer why you remove verses, or you going to run away like zebra?
This goes out to all the unappreciative, which words "bother" you in 9128-129?
4829 ?
Muhammad messenger of Allah and those who with him firm against al-kufri and merciful among themselves?1724
and lower to them wing humility of al-ramata654
and when come to you those who believe in our verses so say,
"Peace upon you, your Lord has prescribed upon Himself al-ramata
that he who among you does evil in ignorance furthermore repents after it and reforms
then indeed He oft-forgiving, ramun655 and thus We explain the Verses so that becomes manifest way the criminals.
Lets see this code; what is 19 about shortest ch 108, what prevents flipping it with ch 103?
chv ltrs words
1081 15 3
1082 12 3
1083 15 41031 6 1
1032 14 4
1033 51 9I've nothing more to say on top of what brother Edip Yuksel said about you in the link below.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602585.msg281115#msg281115
Peace,
KhalilDid you not post this silly numerology?
Red highlights are from me
Also, do not forget that, 9+1+2+7=19, tells us that chapter 9 has only 127 verses in it!
Peace,
KhalilHere is more ?proof ??
w ch v gv
11 2 65 10020045 qiradatan apes
17 5 60 13010020045 al-qiradata the apes
10 7 166 10020045 qiradatan apes38 = 19 x 2!
w ch v gv
11 2 65 10020045 = 19 x ?!w ch v gv
11 2 65 10020045
17 5 60 13010020045
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Peace be upon you, SEid,
Leave them be. Allah will deal with them according to His will. It is not up to anyone to guide them but Him, if there is any good in them.
Peace raginggaijin,
My concern is not with them; more so do with those who visit this site unfamiliar with their manipulations and distortions especially by Edip one of the most ignorant persons on the net and his idiotic rants. The moderators should move this thread and actually all his threads seeking spotlight in the general section to appease his ego to the nineteen forum or trash section.
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Mr Raging,
If your definition of a Messenger is one who doesn?t make mistakes then you would have been one of the first to reject the prophets and the messengers if you had existed in there time. To you maybe a Messenger is more than a human being. To you a messenger has God-like powers, doesn?t sleep, eat or drink, and always say the right thing in the right way. If this is your definition of a Messenger then you would have been one of the first to reject Lot and Jonah because they didn?t bring a single sign save a clear message. Also even if you claim to believe in the Quran now you would not have believed Muhammad then because your fantasy of a Messenger is one who is more than a human being.Your lack of knowledge of the teachings in the Quran is evident. Had you read the Quran, you would not continue to be proven wrong by the revelation given to all beings The Quran.
A Messenger does not make mistakes in teachings because they are given revelation by Allah.
You attempt a strawman argument, but the Truth is clear If it comes from Allah there will be no discrepancies. Allah even tells us this in the Quran"What, do they not ponder the Koran? If it had been from other than God surely they would have found in it much inconsistency." Surah 482
Rashad Khalifa claimed he was receiving revelation from Allah. This is from his own words.
Let's quote his words as shown on his newsletter and on the website, shall we?
"Through Gabriel; I was commanded to make this announcement AFTER I DIE MILLIONS OF BELIEVERS WILL KNOW That I represent the Messiah the Jews have been waiting for, the Christ Christians have been expecting, the Mehdi the Muslims have been praying for? I am God's Messenger of the Covenant."
He professed to represent a returning Messiah and Mahdi, teachings not found in the Quran. This is found in his newsletter and reported on submission.org
http//www.quranalone.com/SP/57_1989_09.pdf
http//www.submission.org/millennium/mahdi.htmlHe made prophecy that did not come true
http//www.quranalone.com/SP/64_1990_03.pdfHe made prophecy of when the Day of Judgment comes.
Only Allah has knowledge of the Hour. Surah 4361-66, 7227Rashad Khalifa claimed he was the Messenger of the Covenant, using Malachi 31 as proof. However, the Messenger of the Covenant is named in Malachi 45.
"See, I will send you the prophet ELIJAH before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes."Elijah, known as Elias (pbuh), is spoken of in the Quran and the previous Books. Peace and blessings on all the Prophets of Allah.
Surah 685, 37123-130, I Kings 1820-40
Rashad Khalifa is not Elias.
?And certainly We have made clear for men in this Quran every kind of description, but most men consent naught save denying.? Surah 1789The Appendices of Rashad Khalifa are nothing more than rewritten hadith.
The statement is concerning what the man taught, and who he said was giving him his teachings.Muhammad (pbuh) taught ONLY what Allah told him to say.
"Had he invented against Us any sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand, then We would surely have cut his life-vein and not one of you could have defended him." Surah 6944-47
Muhammad bore witness that he followed only what Allah revealed. He repeats this numerous times in the Quran. Surah 650, 7203-204, 1015, 469
No where have I stated Muhammad (pbuh) was omniscient or possessed attributes of Allah.
Yet Rashad Khalifa professed to know when Judgment Day comes - an attribute only held by Allah. The same man who is touted as a Messenger who came after all Prophets (pbut).And when Rashad Khalifa made up sayings, stating it came from Allah, what eventually happened to the man? How did his life on this earth end?
1793 "Or that you have a luxurious mansion, or that you can ascend into the heavens. We will not acknowledge your ascension unless you bring for us a book that we can study." Say, "Glory be to my Lord. Am I anything other than a human messenger!"
1411 Their messengers said, "We are but humans like you, but God will bestow His grace upon whom He pleases from His servants. It is not up to us to bring you an authorization except by God's leave. In God those who acknowledge should place their trust"
18110 Say, "I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your god is One god. So whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord, then let him do good works and not set up any partner in the service of his Lord."
416 Say, "I am no more than a human being like you. I am inspired that your god is One god, therefore you shall be upright towards Him and seek His forgiveness. Woe to those who set up partners."
The reason why you don?t believe that Dr. Rashad Khalifa was a messenger is simply because he doesn't fit your fantasy of how a messenger should be.
Wrong. Again, your lack of knowledge of what is in the Quran only compounds your misguidance. You even miss the warnings given in the ayats (signs) you quote.
A Messenger's job is only delivery of the Message. Surah 320, 567, 592, 599, 6124, 779, 1340, 1635, 1682, 2454, 2918, 3617, 4248, 4623, 6412
The Message is perfect, not the Messenger. If the teachings come from Allah, it will not contain errors.
What Message was sent by Rashad that did not contain errors or rely on teachings of the ancients that had passed away before? Code 19 is based on Jewish mysticism, as proven in the Appendices of Rashad and Edip. The removal of two ayats (signs) from the Quran is based on hadith, as proven in the Appendices of Rashad and Edip. Would you like more instances of teachings taken from the ancients found in their Appendices?
"He said, 'Knowledge is only with God, and I deliver to you the Message with which I was sent; but I see you are an ignorant people.'" Surah 4623
"So, if they turn their backs, thine it is only to deliver the manifest Message." Surah 1682
"And obey God, and obey the Messenger; but if you turn your backs, it is only for the Messenger to deliver the Manifest Message." Surah 6412Are you telling me Muhammad (pbuh) made mistakes in teaching the revelation he was given? Is that your claim? Can you prove this claim by showing those who read your words any errors from the Quran?
If you cannot support this position, why do you uphold it by saying Rashad Khalifa - a man who said he was receiving revelation - made mistakes?
Those who are given revelation do not make mistakes in their teachings because their teachings come from Allah.
Rashad Khalifa professed to be given revelation from Allah. His teachings contain numerous errors - even his disciple Edip Yuksel admits this - so his teachings do not come from Allah and are to be rejected as teachings of satans.The fact that Dr.Rashad Khalifa made some mistakes in interpreting the Quran is irrelevant and doesn?t prove that he wasn?t a Messenger (he was not meant interpret the Quran) He was sent to bring a message that the Quran alone was to be followed and he was sent to authenticate the Quran (which is clearly shown in the code 19 for those who are aware and have studied it.)
If Rashad Khalifa was not to interpret the Quran, as you attest, I need not uphold any of his teachings.
However, you once again prove your ignorance of the man you profess to follow. These are his own words taken from his Appendices
"God's Messenger of the Covenant is a consolidating messenger. His mission is to purify and unify all existing religions into one Islam." The Final Testament, Appendix 2, page 647
He even goes into "Principal Duties Of God's Messenger of the Covenant" on page 647, where he details how he is to explain the Quran to those in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and gives Appendices as reference. There are 38 Appendices where he 'explains' the Quran. All of which are rife with errors.
So too are the Appendices of Edip Yuksel's translation rife with errors taken from teachings of the ancients.The Quran needs no authentication. Had you read the Quran, you would know this. It isn't hidden in the depths of the Quran. It is right there in front
"That is the Book, wherein is no doubt, a guidance to the godfearing" Surah 22
There is no doubt in this Book, the Quran. Allah promised to keep it pure and protected, and that falsehood would never enter it, in the past or in the future. I do not doubt His revelation. )
I need no other witness that it is the Truth from Him, as Allah is sufficient as a Witness
"But God bears witness to that He has sent down to thee; He has sent it down with His knowledge; and the angels also bear witness; and God suffices for a witness." Surah 4166
"God is a sufficient witness between us and you; assuredly we were heedless of your service.'" Surah 1029
"Say 'God suffices as a witness between me and you.' He knows whatsoever is in the heavens and earth. Those who believe in vanity and disbelieve in God -- those, they are the losers." Surah 2952
381 God took a covenant from the prophets "For what I have given you of the book and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will acknowledge him and support him." He said, "Do you testify, and agree to this burden?" they said, "We testify." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness."
You mistranslate Surah 381. No where in the Arabic revelation does it say 'from the Prophets'. Why do you say what the Quran does not?
"Wa-ith akhatha Allahu meethaqa alnnabiyyeena lama ataytukum min kitabin wahikmatin thumma jaakum rasoolun musaddiqun lima maAAakum latu/minunna bihi walatansurunnahu qala aaqrartum waakhathtum AAala thalikum isree qaloo aqrarna qala faishhadoo waana maAAakum mina alshshahideena" Surah 381
"And when (Wa-ith) God took (akhatha Allahu) Compact of the Prophets (meethaqa alnnabiyyeena) 'That I have given you of Book and Wisdom; then there shall come to you a Messenger verifying (musaddiqun) what is with you -- you shall believe in him and you shall help him; do you agree?' He said. 'And do you take My load on you on that condition?' They said, 'We do agree.' God said, 'Bear witness so, and I shall be with you among the witnesses.'" Surah 381
This Compact - promise, agreement - is with those who inherited the Book, for the Messengers of Allah verified the Book that was with them.
"And when God took compact (meethaqa) with those who had been given the Book 'You shall make it clear unto the people, and not conceal it.' But they rejected it behind their backs and sold it for a small price -- how evil was that their selling!" Surah 3187
The Quran was sent to verify (musaddiqun) previous Books Surah 381, 4252, 548, 241, 289, 291, 2101, 303, 692
"And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, verifying (musaddiqan) the Book that was before it, and assuring it. So judge between them according to what God has sent down, and do not follow their caprices, to forsake the truth that has come to thee. To every one of you We have appointed a right way and an open road. If God had willed, He would have made you one nation; but that He may try you in what has come to you. So be you forward in good works; unto God shall you return, all together; and He will tell you of that whereon you were at variance." Surah 548
"This is a Book We have sent down, blessed and verifying (musaddiqu) that which was before it, and for thee to warn the Mother of Cities and those about her; and those who believe in the world to come believe in it, and watch over their prayers." Surah 692
"He has sent down upon thee the Book with the truth, verifying (musaddiqan) what was before it, and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel." Surah 33
"When there has come to them a Messenger (rasoolun) from God verifying (musaddiqun) what was with them, a party of them that were given the Book reject the Book of God behind their backs, as though they knew not," Surah 2101
"And believe in that I have sent down, verifying (musaddiqan) that which is with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And sell not My signs for a little price; and fear you Me." Surah 241
Surah 337-8 speaks of the Covenant and Compacts taken by those sent the Messengers; an agreement Allah takes with all who submit their will to Him
"And remember God's blessing upon you, and His compact (wameethaqahu) which He made with you when you said, 'We have heard and we obey. And fear you God; surely God knows the thoughts in the breasts." Surah 57
"And when We took Compact (meethaqahum) of the Prophets, and from thee, and from Noah, and Abraham, Moses, and Isa, Mary's son; We took from them a solemn compact (meethaqan) that He might question the truthful concerning their truthfulness; and He has prepared for the unbelievers a painful chastisement." Surah 337-8
Covenant and Compact of the Book and Prophets Surah 227, 263, 283-84, 377, 381, 3187, 57, 512-14, 570, 6152, 7169, 1320, 1325, 1691, 1695, 1734, 1978, 3315, 3323, 4810, 578
Compact/agreement (meethaqan) 421, 490, 492, 856, 872, 1266, 1280"And We took compact (meethaqa)with the Children of Israel, and We sent Messengers (rusulan) to them. Whensoever there came to them a Messenger (rasoolun) with that their souls had not desire for, some they cried lies to, and some they slew." Surah 570
"And there succeeded after them a succession who inherited the Book, taking the chance goods of this lower world, and saying, 'It will be forgiven us'; and if chance goods the like of them come to them, they will take them. Has not the compact of the Book (meethaqu alkitabi) been taken touching them, that they should say concerning God nothing but the truth? And they have studied what is in it; and the Last Abode is better for those who are godfearing. Do you not understand?" Surah 7169
"such as break the covenant of God after its solemn binding (meethaqihi), and such as cut what God has commanded should be joined, and such as do corruption in the land -- they shall be the losers." Surah 287
"And those who break the covenant of God after His compact (meethaqihi), and who snap what God has commanded to be joined, and who work corruption in the earth -- theirs shall be the curse, and theirs the Evil Abode." Surah 1325
"How is it with you, that you believe not in God seeing that the Messenger is calling you to believe in your Lord, and He has taken compact (meethaqakum) with you, if you are believers?" Surah 578
"God took compact (meethaqa) with the Children of Israel; and We raised up from among them twelve chieftains. And God said, 'I am with you. Surely, if you perform the prayer, and pay the alms, and believe in My Messengers and succour them, and lend to God a good loan, I will acquit you of your evil deeds, and I will admit you to gardens underneath which rivers flow. So whosoever of you thereafter disbelieves, surely he has gone astray from the right way. "
So for their breaking their compact (meethaqahum) We cursed them and made their hearts hard, they perverting words from their meanings; and they have forgotten a portion of that they were reminded of; and thou wilt never cease to light upon some act of treachery on their part, except a few of them. Yet pardon them, and forgive; surely God loves the good-doers.
And with those who say 'We are Christians' We took compact (meethaqahum); and they have forgotten a portion of that they were reminded of. So We have stirred up among them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection; and God will assuredly tell them of the things they wrought." Surah 513-14"So, for their breaking the compact (meethaqahum), and disbelieving in the signs of God, and slaying the Prophets without right, and for their saying, 'Our hearts are uncircumcised' -- nay, but God sealed them for their unbelief, so they believe not, except a few --" Surah 4155
337 When We took from the prophets their covenant. From you, and from Noah, and Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary; We took from them a strong covenant.
Also why are you asking me about why I don?t uphold Dr.Rashad Khalifa?s ?teachings? ???
I'm not asking, I'm stating clearly you do not uphold Rashad's teachings or Edip's teachings. You say the qiblah is Jerusalem. Rashad and Edip say the qiblah is the Kaaba. You manifest proof against yourself that even you do not uphold their teachings, but pick-and-choose as your heart desires.
It is quite obvious to me that you hardly did any research on Dr.Rashad Khalifa because if you had done research you would have known that Dr.Rashad Khalifa never claimed that his interpretation of the Quran were 100% correct nor did he claim to be a better teacher than God himself (Sura 552) He always revised his interpretations when he had learnt something new. When he died some of his followers instead of continuing his work halted it and blindly followed his interpretations of the Quran.
Why need I look into the life of Rashad Khalifa when I have his own words found in the Appendices he teaches? The man professed to be given revelation from Allah. Is it your claim that Allah made mistakes in revelation to Rashad Khalifa?
I can point out where Rashad states he was given revelation throughout his Quran translation.
Either Rashad Khalifa was receiving revelation or he wasn't. Which was it according to you? Did he or didn't he?
If he didn't receive revelation, I am not to follow him. I am to follow only what Allah revealed. Surah 73
If he did receive revelation, then it would be inerrant as Allah does not make mistakes, nor does He forget. Surah 482, 2052If there are mistakes, it does not come from Allah and I need not follow it.
Why can you not believe when Allah alone is mentioned? Why can you not believe without Rashad Khalifa's or Edip Yuksel's teachings of a mathematic code?
Why are you only able to believe when an associate is ascribed to Him? Surah 3945Furthermore the fact that people follow different interpretations of the Quran doesn?t mean that some are disbelievers and some are true believers
Then why should I worry about what Rashad Khalifa or Edip Yuksel have to say? If I am following a different interpretation, then according to you that does not mean I am a disbeliever.
Why must anyone uphold this 'Code 19' when that is not compulsory?Neither does it mean that all the teachings/interpretations of one person is completely wrong because he or she doesn't follow what you and i follow.
If two people are reaching different interpretations on the same subject, then you have two conclusions One is wrong or both are wrong.
There are not three qiblahs to face in the Quran.
Rashad and Edip say it is the Kaaba, you say it is Jerusalem, and I say it is Masjid Al-Haram.
If you follow teachings of a man who got it wrong, then why would you be rightly guided when you follow a man instead of Allah?
By upholding Jerusalem as your qiblah, you are saying Rashad Khalifa and Edip Yuksel made a mistake and are wrong. Therefore I can reject everything they teach and continue to focus my studies on the Quran."Thus We appointed you a midmost nation that you might be witnesses to the people, and that the Messenger might be a witness to you; and We did not appoint the direction thou wast facing, except that We might know who followed the Messenger from him who turned on his heels -- though it were a grave thing save for those whom God has guided; but God would never leave your faith to waste - truly, God is All-gentle with the people, All-compassionate." Surah 2143
And as you can see, on the topic of the qiblah, it is a test to show who is rightly guided, and who rejects the Message.
We are to face Masjid Al-Haram, the Sacred Mosque. Surah 2144, 2149, 2150. Allah tells us this three (3) times.
Allah tells us three (3) times "This is truth from thy Lord, so be thou not of the doubters." Surah 2144, 2147, 2149I am not of the doubters. My qiblah is Masjid Al-Haram, the structure that surrounds the Kaaba where are sacrifices are to be taken. Surah 595-97, 2233
So I can not only reject your teachings of Jerusalem, but I can reject Rashad Khalifa's and Edip Yuksel's, as they continue to uphold teachings found in hadith. The Kaaba is not Masjid Al-Haram.
I am not a bigot when it comes to facts. Facts are facts regardless where they come from. If a person is truly sincere in his belief and what he follows then God will guide him in time to the proper interpretations. For some it will take a short amount of time for others it will take longer. It all depends on what The Teacher teaches us.
But when a man receives revelation, those come straight from Allah. They will not contain mistakes. Are you arguing this point?
Are you saying Rashad Khalifa did not receive revelation? Is that your claim? If Rashad Khalifa was not receiving revelation, then I do not need to follow him as he is not a Messenger.
Are you saying Rashad Khalifa DID receive revelation? Is that your claim? If Rashad Khalifa received revelation, then it would not contain errors. If there are errors in his teachings, he was not given revelation.
Are you saying Allah made mistakes in revelation? Is that your claim? Bring proof to support this if this is your claim, as Allah is clear He neither forgets nor errs. Surah 482, 2052Bring your authority to prove Rashad Khalifa was a Messenger given revelation from Allah. If you cannot, then I reject all teachings brought by him as they are not from Allah.
"Follow what has been sent down to you from your Lord, and follow no friends other than He; little do you remember." Surah 73
I took a Compact with Allah when I accepted the Truth. Everyone who said 'I hear and I obey' took that Compact. I cannot uphold falsehood when the Truth is clear in the pure, protected Book. Allah alone is Guide, and I rely on Him alone. I reject all teachings that come from man that were not revealed by Allah.
Allah perfected the deen of Al-Islam during the time of Muhammad (pbuh) Surah 319, 385, 53, 6125, 974, 2192, 3922, 4917, 617
Not the people of Arabia, mankind.
There is no need for further Messengers as we still have the Truth with us today.
"Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding." Surah 3918Allah is clear Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it are the ones whom He has guided. No where in the Quran is the command to follow a mathematic code. No where.
The teachings of Rashad Khalifa - a man who stated clearly he received revelation from Allah - contain numerous mistakes. He is not a Messenger nor did he receive revelation.
I follow only what Allah revealed, the revelation given to all nations The Quran. D
There is a reason why I tell people to study the Quran diligently, and do not depend on my opinion. I am just a man, and I do not receive revelation from Allah. And as you see, I uphold the Quran by bringing proof from the Quran to show why I believe what I believe.
Bring your proof Surah 2111, 657, 842, 1410, 2124, 2764, 2875, 5238
Explanation is not proof.Peace. )
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Peace raginggaijin,
My concern is not with them; more so do with those who visit this site unfamiliar with their manipulations and distortions especially by Edip one of the most ignorant persons on the net and his idiotic rants. The moderators should move this thread and actually all his threads seeking spotlight in the general section to appease his ego to the nineteen forum or trash section.
Peace and blessings of Allah be upon you and yours, SEid,
I agree with you concerning where these threads should be. There will always be satans using this forum in an attempt to mislead. Such is the will of Allah.
I believe that Allah is Guide, and those who come here that are truly guided by Allah will study the Quran and turn to Him for guidance and explanation. Though they may initially be impressed by the numerology of Jewish mysticism, they will either uphold these false teachings to their loss or reject it for the Truth revealed to all nations - in accordance to Allah's will.
Edip Yuksel and the rest of the disciples of Rashad Khalifa cannot refute the mathematic refutation you provide, nor can they refute the Truth that is in the Quran concerning those who profess to be given revelation. As shown, Edip Yuksel relies on suppression of evidence - in this case the words of Rashad Khalifa himself - to continue these Code 19 shenanigans, but in the End he too will be called to account. His actions and words bear witness to his description in the Quran. Surah 4729-30
These are excellent opportunities to turn to the Quran for study, but when I find myself repeating the ayats over and over again, I know it is time (for myself) to leave them be and pass by nobly. In the End, no one will have any excuses, and I don't want to exceed the limits lest I should become like them; I am only responsible for myself.
As it stands, the proof is given that refutes them. We aren't guardians, nor are we responsible to guide. Let those who follow teachings of man continue on their path.
I thank Allah for the mathematic knowledge He has given you; all knowledge and power is due to Him. All praise is due to Allah, Lord of all beings.May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.
Peace and blessings.
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I will like to invite people to go to the link below for an introduction into the code 19.
http//www.submission.org/quran/app1.htmlThis is not some foolish play of numbers what some would like you to believe. This is the real deal. It really puts this verse to the test.
1788 Say, "If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Quran like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another."
Answer for raging Dr.Rashad Khalifa never made a prophecy in his entire life. What sort of nonsense are you talking about rotfl This is not proof http//www.quranalone.com/SP/64_1990_03.pdf
He was making an interpretation of a prophecy in the Quran and not a prophecy itself! I would like to advise you Mr.Raging to read more books to improve your comprehension.
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Peace,
Until now there have not been new messengers after Mohammad, since for instance verse 5725.
Messengers are bringers of a -sharia- according to the Koran.
As a sharia-bringer, a new -rasool- would alter or replace the -sharia- of the Koran. As long the guidance of the Koran is there, new human messengers seem not to be needed.Verse 5725 - We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs and we sent down to them the scripture and the law, that the people may uphold justice.-
This verse alone is sufficient koranic proof that there where no new messengers after the prophet Mohammad. According to this verse ? human messengers bring a scripture and law ? with the permission of God.
No man or woman after the life-time of Mohammad has brought mankind a new scripture and a new -sharia-, that was sent down truly in the name of God.Possible discoveries about the Koran does not make a person a messenger in the koranic tradition.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602264.0
Truthseeker
Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.
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This is not some foolish play of numbers like some would like you to believe. This is the real deal. It really puts this verse to the test.
1788 Say, "If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Quran like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another."
And how can they when the ayats (signs) of Allah contain that which a mathematic code cannot?
"Have not the unbelievers then beheld that the heavens and the earth were a mass all sewn up, and then We unstitched them and of water fashioned every living thing? Will they not believe?" Surah 2130
In this one ayat (sign) we have
Proof of our Creator - the Author of the Quran - as He was there at the creation of all things.
Prophecy of this discovery.
An inerrant ayat (sign) that cannot be proven wrong.If I am given a Book and told the Author is our Creator, I have a right to ask for proof of this claim. Surah 2130 gives this proof.
It wasn't until 1978 that the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the Big Bang theory; that the universe was one mass - a monoblock - that was torn apart in a 'Big Bang'. And it wasn't until the 1700s that the microscope was perfected (after its invention in the 1500s), that it was discovered all living beings are composed of water at a cellular level. All of these were discovered by Scientists who do not believe without proof.This single ayat give proof that our Creator was there at the beginning, the Big Bang; this is prophecy as it was not discovered until 1400 years after revelation.
This single ayat gives proof our Creator created all beings by showing the composition at a cellular level; this is prophecy as it was not discovered until 1100 years after revelation.
This single ayat is inerrant as every living thing is composed of water. Even viruses, as discovered in 1950 studies of the Swine Flu virus.
This single ayat is inerrant as the Big Bang theory is continued to be proven correct, even as lately as 2010's recordings of the expanding radiation signature.So bring a single ayat like this, that contains proof of our Creator, a prophecy that can be proven, and is inerrant if you speak truthfully.
You had to remove two ayats from the Quran - a Book Allah declares no falsehood would enter in the past or future - for your Code 19 to work.
I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed satans.Answer for raging Dr.Rashad Khalifa never made a prophecy in his entire life. What sort of nonsense are you talking about rotfl This is not proof http//www.quranalone.com/SP/64_1990_03.pdf
Again, you prove your ignorance of the man whose teachings you uphold.
End of the World Prophecy
http//www.submission.org/suras/app25.htmlRashad Khalifa gave prophecy - A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration - of the End of the World. This is in his Quran translation - Appendix 24 - on pages 691-692 and reposted (link above) by his Code 19-Submitters
"Among the duties charged to me as God's Messenger of the Covenant is unveiling the end of the world...
...Thus the world ends in 1710 AH, 19x90, which coincides with 2280 AD"He states the world will end when Allah is clear The knowledge of the Hour is ONLY with Allah. NONE shall reveal it at its proper time but He. He says it clearly in the Quran.
"They will question thee concerning the Hour, when it shall berth. Say 'The knowledge of it is only with my Lord; none shall reveal it at its proper time, but He. Heavy is it in the heavens and the earth; it will not come on you but suddenly!' They will question thee, as though thou art well-informed of it. Say 'The knowledge of it is only with God, but most men know not.'" Surah 7187
"The people will question thee concerning the Hour. Say 'The knowledge of it is only with God; what shall make thee know? Haply the Hour is nigh.'" Surah 3363
You say 'never' yet proof is given that you do not know the subject you are speaking about. Once again you are proven wrong concerning the man you take teachings from.
At the very least, the link provides further proof the numerology comes from the teachings of Jews and hadith.
"The Jews of Medina went to the Prophet and said, "Your Quran is initialed with A.L.M., and these Initials determine the life span of your religion. Since
A' is 1,L' is 30, andM' is 40, this means that your religion will survive only 71 years." Muhammad said, "We also have A.L.M.S." They said, "TheA' is 1, theL' is 30, theM' is 40, and theS' is 90. This adds up to 161. Do you have anything else?" The Prophet said, "Yes, A.L.M.R." They said, "This is longer and heavier; theA' is 1,L' is 30,M' is 40, and `R' is 200, making the total 271." They finally gave up, saying, "We do not know how many of these Initials he was given!" "Teachings of the ancients, not authorized by Allah.
As for the Smoke prophecy
http//img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/raginggaijin/Quran/SmokeProphecy-full.jpgThis is compounded by the Code 19-Submitters
https//sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/app2-motc/-44-10-the-smoke-prophesyHe states "I have a strong feeling this will take place before the end of 1990."
So what was that 'strong feeling'? Hedging his bets?Which creates even more of a problem for those who uphold he was a Messenger.
If Rashad Khalifa was a Messenger, why was he not told when this 'prophecy' would occur when he was 'given knowledge of the Hour'?
If Rashad Khalifa was a Messenger given divine inspiration, how could he get this (dhukan) translation wrong?(dukhan) is spoken of only twice in the Quran
"Then He lifted Himself to heaven (alssama-i) when it was vapor (dukhanun), and said to it and to the earth, "Come willingly, or unwillingly!" They said, "We come willingly."" Surah 4111
"So be on the watch for a day when heaven (alssamao) shall bring a manifest smoke (bidukhanin)" Surah 4410This heaven is the gaseous plasma that was part of the creation of this earth and the heaven, and it will be a vapor (dukhan) that will be manifest in this heaven. Not a meteor.
Proof Smoke
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri6Wwa8Wd4UThe chastisement is coming. Allah says it, I believe it.
Do not take my word for it. Study the Quran diligently and do not depend on my opinion. Allah is Guide, Friend to the believers.He was making an interpretation of a prophecy in the Quran and not a prophecy itself! I would like to advise you Mr.Raging to read more books to improve your comprehension.
So you are saying his prophesy of the Day of Judgment is not a prophesy but an interpretation? Is that your claim?
Again, you only prove you do not know the teachings of the man you associate partners to Allah. His own words bear witness to his teachings and where he said they come from.
How can I believe anything you say when you do not even know the teachings of the man you take explanation from?How many times must you be proven wrong before you will submit to Allah alone?
Allah is sufficient for the believers Surah 3173, 445, 470, 479, 481, 4132, 4166, 4171, 862, 864, 959, 9129, 1029, 1343, 1796, 2952, 333, 3339, 3936, 3938, 4828, 653
?Belongs not sincere religion to Allah? And those who take protectors, apart from Him -- 'We only serve them that they may bring us nigh in nearness to Allah' -- surely Allah shall judge between them touching that whereon they are at variance. Surely Allah guides not him who is a liar, unthankful.? Surah 393
?O Prophet! Allah is sufficient for you and such of the believers as follow you." Surah 864
Peace.
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...We are to face Masjid Al-Haram, the Sacred Mosque. Surah 2144, 2149, 2150. Allah tells us this three (3) times.
Allah tells us three (3) times "This is truth from thy Lord, so be thou not of the doubters." Surah 2144, 2147, 2149I am not of the doubters. My qiblah is Masjid Al-Haram, the structure that surrounds the Kaaba where are sacrifices are to be taken. Surah 595-97, 2233
So I can not only reject your teachings of Jerusalem, but I can reject Rashad Khalifa's and Edip Yuksel's, as they continue to uphold teachings found in hadith. The Kaaba is not Masjid Al-Haram...
The highlights above are from me.
What if you are inside ALMASJIDILHARAAM? Which direction do you suggest people should face inside "THE SACRED MOSQUE" to perform their SALAAT? Isn't the KA'BAH part of ALMASJIDILHARAAM, and, in fact, its CENTERPIECE?
Peace,
Khalil -
PEACE,
My commander commanded me to do the following in case of mismatch of theology which may result to being kafirs for one another.
1091 Say O rejecters,
1092 I do not serve what you serve,
1093 Nor do you serve what I serve,
1094 Nor will I serve what you serve,
1095 Nor will you serve what I serve,
1096 To you is your system, and to me is mine.Peaceful teaching indeed, we just warn each other according to our understanding and maintain peace. )
Anyways, yoy guys should consider making a Sitcom out of your frequent collisions...lol
PEACE be on you, May Allah be pleased with you (that do not reject)
----------------- Student of Allah
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The highlights above are from me.
What if you are inside ALMASJIDULHARAAM? Which direction do you suggest people should face inside "THE SACRED MOSQUE" to perform their SALAAT?
Peace,
KhalilYou still uphold pagan Namaz, that requires you to perform genuflections with a group. Even in describing salat, Rashad Khalifa recycled teachings of the ancients; pagan Namaz as Orthodox Jews who follow the Babylonian Talmud (Persian Pharisees), and the Zoroastrians (Persians) who follow the Babylonian Avesta.
Syncretism Prayer
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9pC0lZ856MSalat is ordained times to study the Quran.
If you are in Masjid Al-Haram at the time of salat, you would be silent and listen, then prostrate after recital.
You are inside Masjid Al-Haram. No matter what direction you face, you face Masjid Al-Haram."And when the Koran is recited, give you ear to it and be silent; haply so you will find mercy." Surah 7204
The Kaaba is the place of sacrifice. Allah tells you this in the Quran. Why do you disobey and uphold teachings beside what He revealed?
"There are things therein profitable to you unto a stated term; thereafter their lawful place of sacrifice is at the Ancient House (ila albayti alAAateeqi)." Surah 2233
"Lakum feeha manafiAAu ila ajalin musamman thumma mahilluha ila albayti alAAateeqi" Surah 2233"O believers, slay not the game while you are in pilgrim sanctity; whosoever of you slays it wilfully, there shall be recompense -- the like of what he has slain, in flocks as shall be judged by two men of equity among you, an offering to reach the Kaaba; or expiation -- food for poor persons or the equivalent of that in fasting, so that he may taste the mischief of his action. God has pardoned what is past; but whoever offends again, God will take vengeance on him, God is All-mighty, Vengeful.
Permitted to you is the game of the sea and the food of it, as a provision for you and for the journeyers; but forbidden to you is the game of the land, so long as you remain in pilgrim sanctity; and fear God, unto whom you shall be mustered.
God has appointed the Kaaba (alkaAAbata), the Holy House (albayta alharama), as an establishment for men, and the holy month; the offering, and the necklaces -- that, that you may know that God knows all that is in the heavens and in the earth; and that God has knowledge of everything." Surah 595-97Surah 2225-33 differentiates between Masjid Al-Haram and Bayt Al-Haram. Bayt is House, Masjid is Mosque.
Holy House (albayta alharama) Surah 52, 597, 1437
The House (albayti) Surah 2125, 396, 835, 2226
Ancient House (albayti alAAateeqi) Surah 2229, 2233We are to face Masjid Al-Haram, the Sacred Mosque. Surah 2144, 2149, 2150. Allah tells us this three (3) times.
Allah tells us three (3) times "This is truth from thy Lord, so be thou not of the doubters." Surah 2144, 2147, 2149Masjid Al-Haram surrounds the Kaaba.
"And when We made the House (Bayt) a resort for men and a security. And Take ye the station (maqami) of Abraham for a place of prayer. And We enjoined Abraham and Ishmael, saying Purify My House (Bayt) for those who visit and those who abide for devotion and those who bow down, those who prostrated themselves." Surah 2125
Study the Quran diligently, and do not depend on my opinion. Turn to Allah as He is Guide.
I only bring proof to show why I believe what I believe based on the revelation The Quran.
I only bring proof to show why I cannot believe as you believe.Peace.
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My Commander commanded me to do the following in case of mismatch of theology which may result to being kafirs for one another.
1091 Say O rejecters,
1092 I do not serve what you serve,
1093 Nor do you serve what I serve,
1094 Nor will I serve what you serve,
1095 Nor will you serve what I serve,
1096 To you is your system, and to me is mine.Peaceful teaching indeed, we just warn each other according to our understanding and maintain peace. )
Peace be unto you,
Well said, and I thank Allah for bringing this reminder. Even I can get caught up in striving to prove why I believe what I believe.
May Allah pour down patience upon the believers from Most High.
Peace and blessings.
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Brother Khalil,
Leave him be. This guy seems to have some sort of beef with me because he can?t hold his ground against me when it comes to certain topics. Personally I believe he has some problems when it comes to reading and comprehension but that's just me. Moreover a few days ago he falsely accused me of slander when I have never done such a thing to anyone on this forum.Question for Mr.Raging
?When will this happen? I do not know when but I have a strong feeling that this will take place before the end of 1990. Only God knows the exact time ?Mr Raging read the lines again VERY SLOWLY. Does it sound like a prophecy or an interpretation of the smoke prophecy??? Think it over and be patient. It may take a few hours perhaps days.
My advice to Mr Raging Do some more reading. It keeps the brain healthy.
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PEACE,
My commander commanded me to do the following in case of mismatch of theology which may result to being kafirs for one another.
1091 Say O rejecters,
1092 I do not serve what you serve,
1093 Nor do you serve what I serve,
1094 Nor will I serve what you serve,
1095 Nor will you serve what I serve,
1096 To you is your system, and to me is mine.Peaceful teaching indeed, we just warn each other according to our understanding and maintain peace. )
Anyways, yoy guys should consider making a Sitcom out of your frequent collisions...lol
PEACE be on you, May Allah be pleased with you (that do not reject)
----------------- Student of Allah
IJTIHAAD/Individually striving to achieve the truth, WITHIN the framework of our faith Islam is a must. So, don't you worry, even a bit, as long as it takes place in a peaceful and respectful manner. Chapter 109 is about the DISBELIEVERS/KAAFIROON. It is NOT about the disputes between MUSLIMS themselves.
Peace,
Khalil -
IJTIHAAD/Individually striving to achieve the truth, WITHIN the framework of our faith Islam is a must. So, don't you worry, even a bit, as long as it takes place in a peaceful and respectful manner. Chapter 109 is about the DISBELIEVERS/KAAFIROON. It is NOT about the disputes between MUSLIMS themselves.
If you associate partners with Allah by following teachings He did not reveal, are you submitting your will to Him?
"Follow what has been sent down to you from your Lord, and follow no friends other than He; little do you remember." Surah73
If you are not submitting your will to Allah, are you a Muslim?
"If two parties of the believers fight, put things right between them; then, if one of them is insolent against the other, fight the insolent one till it reverts to God's commandment. If it reverts, set things right between them equitably, and be just. Surely God loves the just." Surah 499
"O believers, obey God, and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. If you should quarrel on anything, refer it to God and the Messenger, if you believe in God and the Last Day; that is better, and fairer in the issue." Surah 459
The only way we can refer to Allah and the Messenger is by returning to the Quran and studying what was revealed by Allah to His Messenger.
"Those who dispute concerning the signs of God, without any authority come to them, in their breasts is only pride, that they shall never attain. So seek thou refuge in God; surely He is the All-hearing, the All-seeing." Surah 4056
"Those who disbelieve and bar from God's way, God will send their works astray.
But those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in what is sent down to Muhammad -- and it is the truth from their Lord -- He will acquit them of their evil deeds, and dispose their minds aright.
That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, and those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Even so God strikes their similitudes for men. " Surah 471-3Ayats to ponder upon.
Peace.
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This is so very clearly seen, that people are talking, mentioning, remembering, revering and worshipping their Rubbs.
Some are talking, revering, remembering, worshipping and serving Allah.
Some are revering, remembering, worshipping, serving,------and-----helplessly defending their mortal rubb, who has died and become dust into dust.
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Did the Prophet and Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (SAW), the bringer and deliverer of Al-Quran, know Code 19-----???
No, never!-----Indeed, never!
This Satanic Code 19 Theory finally ended up taking out two of Allah's Signs, dared to alter Allah's Holy and Exalted Quran.
Is Allah's Quran not in Allah's Protection???
How can some satan insan or satan jinn intrude into it???
Who is a kafir of Allah, then???Edip Yuksel and all the 19ers!-------Tell!
If someone follows Allah's Quran truly,---and never happens to know the so-called "miraculous" Code 19 all his life, what harms does he come to???
Is he lost?
Will he go to hellfire?The differnce between Al-Quran and Code 19 is clear.
It looks like Al-Quran---Vs---Code 19!!! -
IJTIHAAD/Individually striving to achieve the truth, WITHIN the framework of our faith Islam is a must. So, don't you worry, even a bit, as long as it takes place in a peaceful and respectful manner. Chapter 109 is about the DISBELIEVERS/KAAFIROON. It is NOT about the disputes between MUSLIMS themselves.
Peace,
KhalilSalam,
This time, let me try to express my thoughts from another perspective. It is the theory of relativity, when 1st party is saying that 2nd party is rejector because of throwing out verses from the Book that Allah himself preserved. And, when 2nd party is saying that 1st party not acknowledging a numerology code makes them rejectors of the message. Both parties are considering each other rejectors. From a neutral stand point, it depends on the frame of reference who one should call a rejector.
And undoubtedly, I agree with you that we must strive to find the truth the way you mentioned. But striving to prove each other rejectors and at the same time calling the process "dispute between muslims" sounds hypocritical. Not that I consider anyone of you any less or more muslim than I am myself, for Allah knows the unseen , Allah knows what is in your hearts. Not me.
---------- Student of Allah
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From James Randi <randi></randi>
Date Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1006 PM
Subject 19 -- or any other number
I assume that the person who wrote you is aware that you have published his email on here and he is ok about that?
peace -
This is so very clearly seen, that people are talking, mentioning, remembering, revering and worshipping their Rubbs.
Some are talking, revering, remembering, worshipping and serving Allah.
Some are revering, remembering, worshipping, serving,------and-----helplessly defending their mortal rubb, who has died and become dust into dust.
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Did the Prophet and Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (SAW), the bringer and deliverer of Al-Quran, know Code 19-----???
No, never!-----Indeed, never!
This Satanic Code 19 Theory finally ended up taking out two of Allah's Signs, dared to alter Allah's Holy and Exalted Quran.
Is Allah's Quran not in Allah's Protection???
How can some satan insan or satan jinn intrude into it???
Who is a kafir of Allah, then???Edip Yuksel and all the 19ers!-------Tell!
If someone follows Allah's Quran truly,---and never happens to know the so-called "miraculous" Code 19 all his life, what harms does he come to???
Is he lost?
Will he go to hellfire?The differnce between Al-Quran and Code 19 is clear.
It looks like Al-Quran---Vs---Code 19!!!Question Excluding the code 19 of the Quran was Muhammad aware of any of the other Mathematical and Scientific signs in the Quran?
Am I to assume that you also believe that this is the work of the devil since Muhammad never mentioned them???
PS Before you commit bigotry against God?s Signs examine them carefully. Look before you leap. Those who make fun of God?s signs without first examining them carefully have mocked God and they will not be successful in this life nor in the Hereafter.
3010 Then the end of those who did evil was evil, that is because they denied God's signs, and they used to mock them.
Questions to ask about Sura 9
How many people have ever asked themselves why is it that Sura 9 is the ONLY SURA THAT DOESN?T START WITH BISMILLAH-IR-RAHMAN-IR-RAHEEM?
Here?s a food for thought Did God know before hand that this Sura was going to be tampered with which is why he decided not to begin with the usually BISMILLAH?
Historically why is it that during the compilation of the Quran that Sura 9 was recognized by many witnesses as having only 127 verses and not 129 verses (which was only acknowledged by ONE MAN. ) ?
How can Sura 9 be a Medinan Sura yet contain two Meccan Verses? (9128-129)
http//www.submission.org/false-verses.html
http//www.submission.org/tampering.html