Hate supremacy groups.

Paradox_Uncreated

Lately it has stricken me how incompassionate atheists are. The only worse I`ve seen is passionate hadithists.
They both have their idol. The atheist, his meaningless vacuum or fluctuaction, the hadithists the eternal love for a fictional Mohammed and Sahaba.

What they have in common is the tyranny, and the hatred of anyone of different superficial belief. They claim supremacy, and harbour hate against any outside their group.

And I think in these HATE SUPREMACY GROUPS, satan is visible. Superior to humans because he is of fire.

What I read into that, is that they feel superior to compassionate human nature, and act without taking it into regard. And so go against themselves, and others. And attacking in the name of what they believe in.

So if disbelievers are incompassionate tyrants, many people claiming to belong to a group or other can be recognized as disbelievers.
And believers are often compassionate people, truthfully, loving the compassionate God.

Or what do you think? Should one mindlessly accept what people superficially state, and consider them allies, by words alone, or should one look at their behaviour, and use ones intellect to decide? )

Peace.

MesMorial

The association of Iblis with racism is quite interesting. I think that "ego" is more appropriate for Iblis.

If we suppose that Iblis has a relatively high I.Q., then imagine a human having to prostrate to an ape. The issue is that he had to do it since Allah told him to. His motivation may have been a natural impulse (like anyone would feel), but it was his ego that made him actually rebel.

Certain folks will say that Iblis is actually "human nature", but that was another debate. &nbsp

Anyway, in answer to the question, we should make judgement after investigation (494, 4911).

Salam.

Paradox_Uncreated

Nah, I dont think Iblis is ego, or intelligent at all. And certainly not human nature. It is a jinn, and it follows its desire. It sees itself superior to human nature. Just like The Quran states.

Jinn can be present, just like with Solomon. A look at the biblibcal text might give some more idea also, what jinn being present results in.

Satan is said to have a "weak cunning" in the Quran. Intelligence is not what he is about. (But rather following ones desire).

And claiming superiority by race, is not an intelligent act.

It would seem rather that satanic behaviour, and association with God, or idolatry, belongs to ignorant people. "jahilia", or time of ignorance, refers to a time of idolatry.

And acting on behalf of idols, is satanic behaviour, and the spirit of satan. Fascism seems to have a strong link to satanic behaviour. Since the behaviour or rules associated with the idol, can be highly irrational, and forced on others. And the same fascism is often seen in the atheist or hadithist. And also in the erring believer.

Satanism is ultimately that which is bad for human nature. In more modern times, I think that a constant mediaculture of sex, and ignorance, is satanic.

It`s a form of abuse. And living in an abusive enviroment, either that by commercial agendas, or other types of abuse, it becomes difficult to believe in a good God.

One cannot "celebrate our praises", or "praise the lord", when it is not possible.

So, satanism is self-injury, and the most retarded one can do.

Religion represents light, enlightenment, and the banning of idolatry, and the preservation of human nature.

Kukumber

Lately it has stricken me how incompassionate atheists are. The only worse I`ve seen is passionate hadithists.
They both have their idol. The atheist, his meaningless vacuum or fluctuaction, the hadithists the eternal love for a fictional Mohammed and Sahaba.

Peace

I really cannot discuss this with you, because I disagree with your very first statement. What I see is compassion, and incompassion (if thats a word) in all groups of people. atheists, agnostics, quranists, sunnis, staunch hadithists. And even in the same person they can be compassionate one day or in one context, and incompassionate in other.

But in the end you could be right, I could be right.

For sure we could do some study to see if a certain group of people are really more compassionate than others, but at the same time it is impossible to do, because it is like saying that we carry one label. You would have to control for age, sex, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, past experiences, your mood the day the study was conducted etc etc... Kind of reminds me of studies people to see if certain ethnicities were generally smarter than others.

The best we can do is realize that everyone is imperfect, and accept them for who they are, and whatever stage of life in they are in. You really truly cannot know a person just by their labels

Peace

Kukumber

(Edited, coz I accidently posted before I was done writing up the post)

Paradox_Uncreated

I think you are missing the point Kukumber.
Maybe you are not familiar with people who love a compassionate God, vs those who uphold mindless idols, and follow this to the extreme, without respecting human nature.

For you they are both compassionate OR incompassionate. While in reality they both have a compassionate nature, but the idolater overruns his nature, in favour of the idol.

I typically see this in the atheist, who upholds his view/idol as superior, and calls everyone else stupid.
He might be supported by more or less atheist psychiatrist who in turn agree, that belief is an illness, and should be removed from the believers mind.
They are like machines, who do not recognize compassion. They see society as a machine, and rather wants to change the human to fit the machine.

It`s the same thing with the hadithist, who might call for death penalty, if you reject hadith, without looking at the good nature of a godloving person.

All these uphold static teachings, or even teachings that change from generation to generation. And accept them, instead of being truthful to themselves.

So a lot of the time, you are talking to a machine, a jinn, rather than a human, because they overrule their nature.
The Quran mentions "mankind and jinn" in the same sentences many times. Maybe that is because most people are like this.
They need to learn surrender. To trust their own nature, and know that it is the ultimate.

Just like a child that is born into the world, is surrendered to Gods will, and acts naturally. But when he grows, he learns about mostly anything but trusting his own nature. Instead he learns that he for instance is "imperfect" like you state. Or so many other statements that are made. He is often taught that he is a physical machine. He picks up the current idolaterous trends of his time.

I think it`s really hard to break down all elements of idolatry. To bypass and unlearn all misconceptions of ones time.

But some try, and become believers, because the path of truth, is often the path to God. Some excel, and gets to know states of mind, psychiatry no doubt would call insanity. Like "messenger of God". But they in turn, teach people about a compassionate God.

Some follow this, and learn to follow God, which is in turn, following a concept of their own nature. So they learn to listen to self, and love their nature. These are compassionate people.

People who do not follow a religion such as this, or by a miracle, follow themselves with the same effect, are incompassionate. They follow idols. They never come to know a compassionate God, only a beastly and lustful being, and satanic spirit. And in their blindness claim that what they followed, applies to all of mankind.

You should be aware of this. And beyond many years of following religion, and probably iteration of faith, lies a peaceful land.
Unknown to the lower spheres of earth.

In this compassion, and universal nature, lies the solution to the worlds conflicts. If eveyones dad, just was God, you`d see a whole paradigm change in the world, happy children, and a new compassionate society. And nobody would want to change it.

That is why this should be taught everywhere, and this is what religion ultimately teaches you.

And it is also interesting that science starts to view consciousness as the fundamental cause of everything. So just when I thought that Islam has become a mindless satan in the form of hadithism, science seems to merge with religion, and may serve as a messenger of truth, for a generation that believes in science, more than religion. God works in mysterious ways!

May the truth be known to all, and an era of humanity begin. After all, I believe that is what Islam as a roadmap, and effect, is all about.

Kukumber

Woah.

you very last post mentioned people who love a compassionate God, something you had not mentioned in your previous posts. You can't jump here and there and expect others to follow you.

While I agree with the gist of what you are saying i.e. the possibility for a peaceful land. For me just like the laws of physics and nature follow God's will, if people were to follow God's will, they would be in a natural state of being, and yes the world would be a more peaceful compassionate place.

But I disagree with such blanket statements as atheists are idol worshippers, atheists are incompassionate. I also wonder how much knowledge you actually have into psychology/psychiatry. I really doubt across the whole field, every expert denotes an altered state of consciousness as insanity.

At the same time, going back to the previous post of a peaceful compassionate place, I am interested to know how you describe such a place. For me it is not a place where humans are the ultimate focus, and the entire world and the law's of nature work to ensure human success and survival (as heaven is often described by many). Following God's will, the rotation of the planet's, the laws of physics within earth itself cause, flooding, earthquakes, forest-fires etc, all of which are necessary to ensure the regeneration of Earth, and many of its species. Therefore a conflict will always exist, and that is the true test, for compassion to prevail despite this. And a person that labels himself atheist can contribute just as much to this as one that labels himself as being aware of a compassionate God.

Peace

Kukumber.

Paradox_Uncreated

That was a big jump for you kukumber. Well it doesnt surprise me. You say you agree with "the gist", but I dont think you have any idea what I am talking about. I think your critisism not comes from honest inspection, but a hidden agenda, and from previous posts of yours, I think I can guess what it is. You are a good example of the people I talk about. You follow your agenda, and show no compassion towards what I am talking about. If you loved a compassionate God, you would recognize me. But you do not. You cannot see my mind, because you lack the experiences I have. You just see a beast, and attack as a beast, because that is all you know. To you, comprehending me to be something else than a beast, would require a form of egodeath and rebirth. And only then could you know the love of a compassionate God. And you would celebrate with me. But no, that is not what you are doing.

You are instead shooting yourself in the foot, and try to make me look doubtful, and question my knowledge of psychology and so forth.
If Mohammed was to deliver to message to you in this time, and REMEMBER HE MADE HOMOPHILIA ILLEGAL, I believe you would be his enemy aswell.

You say that in heaven humans are not the ultimate focus.. Is this a writing error? It doesnt seem to quite follow. And again you say that atheists can contribute to something, but its not clear what it is, contribute to the "prevail of compassion, inspite of natural disaster?"

Noo... you don`t seem to understand anything I am talking about.

And yeah, the greeting of peace, is of little use if the content before is war.

Kukumber

Peace Paradox

I meant many people believe in a heaven post judgement day where every law of heaven is for the benefits of humans. But I do not see this happening in a peaceful earth situation, because they are conflicts at play, such as the survival of earth itself, the survival of other species. So while a natural event such as a flood may be disastrous for humans, it benefits the earth itself, and other species. I hope I am clearer this time. The goal is for compassion to prevail despite these tribulations.
Well only you know what you are talking about obviously, I don't know what's in your mind. If you feel I am not understanding it, you can either try to explain things to me in a different way, or decide its futile. That's entirely your own choice
I don't have to agree with everything you say to be deemed compassionate. You are not the jury that deems me compassionate or incompassionate.
Unlike you, I take nothing on this forum at a personal level. I use this forum as a place to exchange ideas and learn, so no I have no hidden agenda, I see no beast, I see no war. I am sorry that you do.
I feel a very strong desire to protect those that belong to vulnerable groups, and therefore I will question your knowledge of psychology. (but I am not personally offended)
I do, and continue to believe atheists are capable of and many do contribute to a peaceful compassionate earth, you are more than welcome to disagree with me.
Why was homophilia randomly brought in ? you felt attacked, and decide to attack me back. Like I said, don't take anything personally

Kukumber.

Paradox_Uncreated

Jury? I am a human being, and deem you whatever I do.
You continue, with "you take nothing at personal level".. Yeah you uphold that. Because you are a perfect concept, not a human. You never loose. You are always happy. Nothing anyone say can or will change that.

Your whole thing with being the protector of the vulnerable fits. You are a superhero, deserving of idolstatus.

Again you are not personally offended. AND AGAIN, "I don`t take anything personally!"

No, seriously, try living a real life. GET REAL, be truthful. Not that I strongly believe you would change, but if there is the remotest possibility, maybe you`d have some clue to who I am, after a lifetime of truthful being.

Kukumber

Peace Paradox

This is going to be my last post to you.

I do not know you, and I do not care what you think.

If you don't want to talk about the topic in hand, and get personal just because someone disagrees with you, that is your prerogative. There are plenty of others here, I can discuss many things with.

From a fake if even muslim, perfect concept, homophilic, not human, untruthful, do not live a real life person, without a remotest possibility to change, and a superhero at that (these are all your very compassionate words with which you spread compassion).

Kukumber

Paradox_Uncreated

Lol, "you do not care what I think", but react!

And btw I do not "spread compassion". I am compassionate, and react naturally to what I think is supression of natural behaviour.

sheak head No, this is infantile.