Like Polytheist ingrates, atheists too are running away from 19 like zebras

Paradox_Uncreated

No, it does not. It says the period is a trial for disbelievers.

I agree with that. I don`t see "above it 19" being about the initials.

raginggaijin

SEid,
You have not answered my question. I have asked you specifically to tell me in which verses the counting of the letters has been manipulated. You have not shown me any verses nor have you posted any. You are lying

In addition why are you calling me a liar just because I believe in the proofs that show 9128-129 don?t belong in the Quran ??? Are you losing your marbles or are you just flustered because you can't answer basic questions?

Rashad Khalifa printed a Quran translation in 1981 that contained the correct number of ayats in Surah 9. It was discovered that the count was off due to his reliance on an earlier Index count that was off by one. In 1982 he printed a book 'Qur'an Visual Presentation of the Miracle'. In this publication he gave the list of all the chapters and all the verses containing 'Allah' in the Quran. He lists
Chapter One and Verse Number One as Count Number 1. (Which proves he counted the opening 'Bismillah' as early as 1981.)
Chapter One and Verse Number Two as Count Number 2. (Which proves he did not start the count here.)
One Allah instead of Two for Verse 15 of Chapter 9.
One Allah in Verse 129 (which he later deleted) of Chapter 9.

The hadith (sayings) of Rashad's disciples is that he put the words into a computer by his own hand to derive the count. Edip Yuksel has this in his own Quran translation on page 535, which also states he assisted in this discovery. This is upheld by the acknowledgement by Rashad to those who helped, and Edip Yuksel is named - found on page 636 of Rashad's translation.
Problem is, if he (they) put these into a computer, he (they) would not have miscounted the number, and would not be relying on an earlier Index. But the count is off in Rashad's first translation, and it is off in the supplemental book, and it matches the earlier Index count of 2698.

The Arabic revelation contains 2699 counts of 'Allah'. 2699 is not divisible by 19.

Which means Edip and Rashad both knew the count was off, but instead of correcting the mistake they sought to hide it; cover up the Truth. They turned to hadith and found a story that suited their purpose. Problem is, they have no proof the man this story is attributed to even existed as he is not named in the Quran.

Those who uphold the Quran is not protected and two ayats were 'inserted' into the Quran are lying.

Allah states no falsehood would enter it, in the past or the future.
Allah states He protects the Quran. That includes the manuscripts.

"Falsehood comes not to it from before it nor from behind it; a sending down from One All-wise, All-laudable." Surah 4142

"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters would never leave off; till the Clear Sign came to them, a Messenger from God, reciting pages (suhufan) purified, therein true Books. And they scattered not, those that were given the Book, excepting after the Clear Sign came to them." Surah 981-4

"Praise belongs to God who has sent down upon His servant the Book and has not assigned unto it any crookedness;" Surah 181

"An Arabic Quran, wherein there is no crookedness; haply they will be godfearing." Surah 3928

The lie "Allah did not protect the Quran; He allowed falsehood to enter the Quran for 1400 years."
People who defend Rashad Khalifa and Edip Yuksel defend the lie, and themselves become liars by upholding falsehood instead of the Truth.

Peace.

Edip_Yuksel

Dear KDC501,

I used to waste my time with the ingrates who seek all the excuses and ignorance to blind themselves to the divine signs. If you read the Quran, you will see that similar ingrates reacted exactly the same to all previous signs. Read for instance the first eleven verses of chapter 38, which starts with letter Sad.

So, you should not be saddened nor worried about these ignorant people's rejection. If they deserved to witness the miracle they would. So, let them suffer in their anger and misery, both in this world and in the hereafter. They are already surrounded by the smoke of hell, which all they see in chapter 74. They are tormented in fitna and, they deserve it since their heart is filled with desease, and they are people who are both ignorant and arrogant (7146)

Peace,
Edip

unknownuser

Dear KDC501,

I used to waste my time with the ingrates who seek all the excuses and ignorance to blind themselves to the divine signs. If you read the Quran, you will see that similar ingrates reacted exactly the same to all previous signs. Read for instance the first eleven verses of chapter 38, which starts with letter Sad.

So, you should not be saddened nor worried about these ignorant people's rejection. If they deserved to witness the miracle they would. So, let them suffer in their anger and misery, both in this world and in the hereafter. They are already surrounded by the smoke of hell, which all they see in chapter 74. They are tormented in fitna and, they deserve it since their heart is filled with desease, and they are people who are both ignorant and arrogant (7146)

Peace,
Edip

Edip,

You are a ridiculously stupid man who removes verses from Qur'an and teach others to the fire to be branded on the snout!

Now run off into the internet bushes like the scared zebra that you are...

Oh, by the way, the ancient "19" delusion has long ago been falsified, didn't you know...? No one cares, you see...

I have no interest in discussing numerology. I'm a grown adult, with far more important things to do with my time.

James Randi.

Again, an excellent reply between ingrate James to ingrate Edip -- one of the most ignorant persons on the net.

By the way whoever put the extra Noon http//free-minds.org/quran/A/68 deserves branding on the snout!

Peace to all believers!

KDC501

SEid
Yessss. I can feel your ANGER! It makes you ignorant because you are foolish. jedi #StarWarsDarthSidiousMoments

You can't answer my question can you. Do you know why??? Because there was no manipulation of the count in 29 initialed Suras and you know it. You are a liar who just enjoys playing with numbers for the sake of your own vanity.

http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/english/index.html

Raging,
Why are you arguing about the word count of "God" when my question directed to SEid was about the 29 initialed Suras and there respective letter counts. Are you paying attention to what I am saying or are you to busy being condescending to truthful remarks???

unknownuser

SEid
Yessss. I can feel your ANGER! It makes you ignorant because you are foolish. jedi #StarWarsDarthSidiousMoments

You can't answer my question can you. Do you know why??? Because there was no manipulation of the count in 29 initialed Suras and you know it. You are a liar who just enjoys playing with numbers for the sake of your own vanity.

Kevin, no one is angry and your question has been answered countless times, not my issue you cannot read.

Here let's go, you answer then you get to ask me, and no links to stupid websites...

Question to Kevin in chapter 68 how many N?

Are there not 131 not multiple! Do you include ?

68|1|
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68|3|
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68|19|
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Question to Kevin or anyone who follows this nonsense why do you remove two verses 9128-129?

If you do not count for yourself and answer proves you have been fooled by liars and apes despised!

Further reading...

Peace

You intentionally did not include one count from the first unnumbered verse (68 0) and there are three N?s in 681 not two manipulator. 133 (19*7) I didn?t know that 680 " Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi" wasn?t part of the Sura 68. Why did you exclude it?

http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-68.htm

So do you relish in hiding God?s signs and making a mockery of them or are you just trying to get some attention???

In regards to 9128-129 I have already told you that there is both historical and physical evidence that shows that 9128-129 do not belong in the Quran. If you want to believe then believe if you don?t then to you is your way and to me is mine. If you want to be manipulator and a liar then go right ahead however I will not be a manipulator and liar and try to hide God?s Signs for the sake of my own ego.

KDC501

Dear KDC501,

I used to waste my time with the ingrates who seek all the excuses and ignorance to blind themselves to the divine signs. If you read the Quran, you will see that similar ingrates reacted exactly the same to all previous signs. Read for instance the first eleven verses of chapter 38, which starts with letter Sad.

So, you should not be saddened nor worried about these ignorant people's rejection. If they deserved to witness the miracle they would. So, let them suffer in their anger and misery, both in this world and in the hereafter. They are already surrounded by the smoke of hell, which all they see in chapter 74. They are tormented in fitna and, they deserve it since their heart is filled with desease, and they are people who are both ignorant and arrogant (7146)

Peace,
Edip

I think you're right. I think I should probably stop what I'm doing and let them be. Also it will be something to laugh about in the hereafter. All they're doing right now is making fools out of themselves. They can't answer simple questions and when they do answer them they try to hide God's signs to fuel their own narcissistic beliefs. Can anyone be a true and sincere servant of God and be so arrogant as to hide God's signs when all the evidence points to something otherwise? Such fools. They don't deserve to know the truth. May God cause the disbelievers to fall flat on there faces in shame in the hereafter.

1797 Whomever God guides is the truly guided one. Whomever He misguides then you will not find for them any allies except for Him. We gather them on the day of Resurrection on their faces, blind, mute, and deaf; their abode will be hell. Every time it dies down, We increase for them the fire.

Peace,
Kevin.

TruthBehindIt

Is this not-------

Al-Quran---Vs---Code 19---!!!

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Doesn't it look like Code19 is trying to tame Al-Quran???

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Revering, mentioning, remembering, worshipping and serving a mortal god, who died and became dust into dust,-----and On a Heavy Day, he will be questioned.

unknownuser

You intentionally did not include one count from the first unnumbered verse (68 0) and there are three N?s in 681 not two manipulator. 133 (19*7) I didn?t know that 680 " Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi" wasn?t part of the Sura 68. Why did you exclude it?

You admit chapter titles should be included.
They cheat do not include chapter titles = 2699 a prime divible only by 1 and itself.

You admit they inserted an extra N wrote created a new initial.
They cheat now have 15 intials and the new initial isn't multiple.

So do you relish in hiding God?s signs and making a mockery of them or are you just trying to get some attention???

No it's Edip looking for attention with STUPID code which proves he's an ape ...

Patanahi

You intentionally did not include one count from the first unnumbered verse (68 0) and there are three N?s in 681 not two manipulator. 133 (19*7)

In regards to 9128-129 I have already told you that there is both historical and physical evidence that shows that 9128-129 do not belong in the Quran.

Dear Kevin, Sorry to say (and I mean it), but trust me looking at your above post, it seems as if you are trying to manipulate by addign extra 'Noon' in 681 and then ignoring 'Waw' in your code 19 count because it does not appear to be the multiple of 19.
Regarding 9128-129, you are talking about 'historical evidence'? That is really confusing because it seems that you are trying to prove Quran verses wrong in the light of corrupt history?
Regarding physical evidence of excluding 9128-129, can you elaborate further please for my understanding.
As requested earlier, can you please let me know what should be the total number of acceptable Quranic verses (to fit your 19 multiple), because the current count of total verses (even after excluding those 2 verses) still dont fit on 19 multiple (19x350=6,650 and 19x351=6,669). Does that mean you may have to find more verses to be deleted/added to fit the calculation.

Please don't ignore my request, because as mentioned earlier, I accpet that my posts reflect lack of understanding/knowledge of these matters and I am certainly below the level demonstrated by people on this forum, but I still aspire to gain the knowledge and therefore not shy in asking questions that bother my mind with a hope to receive concrete responses from people here.

Regards

Edip_Yuksel

Which one do you See Hell or Miracle?

http//19.org/147/which-one-do-you-see-hell-or-miracle/

kestrel

Which one do you See Hell or Miracle?

I personally see miracle... but I definitely do not see a code but pieces of 19-phenomena instead..and this is the real problem.

If God's intention is to increase faiths i.e. to prove His existence and the divine origin of Quran (and to give various info such as major distortions in Quran or in salat etc,, as secondary purposes), these pieces of 19-phenomena I witnessed are sufficient..but when it comes to "authenticating the whole Quran" then we need much much more

but if you dont agree with me on this code issue, then plz answer the famous question of SEID below

Tell us what is nineteen about the shortest chapter 108 and what prevents flipping it with chapter 103?

chv ltrs words

1031 6 1
1032 14 4
1033 51 9

1081 15 3
1082 12 3
1083 15 4

;D ;D ;D ;D yay yay yay