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The Ummah is Lost!-----Do we need a Messenger???

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    TruthBehindIt
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    The Ummah is Lost!-----and not ready to return to Allah.
    Do we need a Messenger???

    The last Messenger came and brought The Message, and gave it to his Ummah and passed away.

    The Message did not bow before the Messenger,
    the Messenger bowed before The Message.
    So, the Messenger himself followed The Message, and told his Ummah to obey him and follow The Message.

    But,-----the Ummah after the Sahaba, was not at all satisfied with Al-Quran alone.
    They loved this garbage world, garbage wealth, garbage honor, garbage comfort.
    They wanted authority over other humans, and wished them to bow before them and praise them.
    They loved to do sins, and still wanted to go to Paradise by dint of Shafa'ut (Intercession).

    All this was not at all possible upholding Al-Quran alone.

    So,-------they badly needed their own qurans,-----in place of Allah's Divine Quran.

    The Persian Imams came forward and took the task, and compiled the Ummah's new qurans, filled with alleged ahadith, sinfully linked with the Prophet.

    The Ummah is so happy now, because they can find their dirty desires in these man-made qurans.

    -----"And when Our Verses are recited to them as clear Evidence, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say "Bring a quran other than this (Quran), or make changes in this (Quran).
    Say (O Messenger) "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I follow not but that which is revealed unto me. Indeed, I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Great Day." (1015)

    So the Ummah have turned away from Allah's Quran, and Allah's Wrath and Torment is falling upon them which can be seen with open eyes.

    The Ummah today have lost Allah's Quran, that the Messenger brought and gave them.
    They are doing open Shirk with Allah, and doing open Kufr of Allah's Commandments.
    They are upholding man-made Islam.

    They are rejector of Allah, rejector of Rasool, rejector of Al-Quran and rejector of Al-Qiyamah.
    They have their own ilah, their own rasool, their own qurans, and they have their own Judgement Day, different from Allah's Judgement Day.

    The Ummah today, is going through the same condition (Open Shirk, Open Kufr, arrogance), where the previous ummahs were given Messengers.

    The Ummah is Lost!-----and not ready to return to Allah alone.-----not ready to leave Imam Bukhari.-----hmmm
    Do we need a Messenger???

    But,-----hold on!
    What will the Messenger bring?
    The Messenger will bring Al-Quran.

    Al-Quran???-----Again???-----Why not his ahadith this time???
    The Messenger never brings his own ahadith,---he is the Messenger because of The Message (Al-Quran) he receives,-----and he is not a Messenger because of his own ahadith.

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    But,-----The Message (Al-Quran) is in Allah's Protection.
    And if any Messenger had to come, he would have brought The Same Al-Quran, which is already there, well-protected,---so there is no need of any Messenger.

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    The Messenger is The Message.-----and why will it not be???
    In His Exalted Quran, sometimes Allah has used the word "Messenger", in place of the word "Message".

    -----"And the Day Allah will call them and say ?What did you answer the messengers.? (2865)

    -------means, what did you answer The Message.

    So when according to Allah, "Answering the Messenger = Answering The Message",

    then why not, "Obeying the Messenger = Following The Message"???

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    Is it not clear like daylight?-----"Obeying the Messenger" is not his ahadith,-------but "The Message" that the Messenger brings???

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    Is this not the TruthBehindIt???

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      MaverickMonotheist
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      Sounds like poetry. )

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        TruthBehindIt
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        Sounds like poetry.

        Well, thanks, after all!

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          YAMU
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          Slam bro,

          When I read of yours, make me fell like reading mine. Thank your for your kind words. Although I've been reading freemind's articles for years, I have got so many questions in mind, but there is nobody can answer many questions which are born everyday in my mind. There is no prophet after Muhammad, but we've got the message, yes. However, there are many interpreters who make me confused about the real meaning of definitions or meaning of words.

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            Salam and lot of Peace on you!

            Slam bro,

            When I read of yours, make me fell like reading mine. Thank your for your kind words. Although I've been reading freemind's articles for years, I have got so many questions in mind, but there is nobody can answer many questions which are born everyday in my mind. There is no prophet after Muhammad, but we've got the message, yes. However, there are many interpreters who make me confused about the real meaning of definitions or meaning of words.

            Respected bro/sis, you have confusion or questions, still unanswered, because you read many interpretations or explanations of A Book, which is already well-explained and fully-detailed.
            There is no need any more at all, to go for further man-made explanations, when Allah Himself has detailed and explained His Exalted Quran.

            As a matter fact, man-made Tafseer of Al-Quran is made only to confuse people and take them away from Al-Quran.

            So beware, and cling to Al-Quran. Keep reading The Book, repeatedly, and you will find answers to all your questions and confusions.

            -----"And no similitude do they bring to you, but We bring to you the truth and the better explanation." (2533)

            Take "similitude" as "questions, confusions, objections against Al-Quran, Islam and matter of life".

            All answers are in The Creator and Sustainers's Exalted and Easy Quran.

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              YAMU
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              Slam bro,

              I think we have to respect others, because they don't follow blindly, but sincere belief in mind to do or conduct according to the right path. however, the way to get the right path is not a day. Maybe the path as we have claimed is right for us, but is not right for others. When reading lexicon, there are many scholars giving the meaning, so which one is authentic and who guaranteed?

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                TruthBehindIt
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                Walekum Assalam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu!

                Slam bro,

                I think we have to respect others, because they don't follow blindly, but sincere belief in mind to do or conduct according to the right path. however, the way to get the right path is not a day. Maybe the path as we have claimed is right for us, but is not right for others.

                It can not be.----- The Path which was Right for the Messenger, is the only Path which is Right for everyone of us.-----And that is Al-Quran.

                If two people are going on different paths, we can not claim that both are on The Right Path.
                But how can we know who is on The Right Path?
                If we have Knowledge, then we can know The Right Path.
                And The Knowledge is Al-Quran alone.

                -----"Say ?Are those who know equal with those who do not know.? Only those of understanding will pay heed." (399)

                So, one who knows The Knowledge given in Al-Quran, and the other one who does not know, are not equal in The Sight of Allah.

                When reading lexicon, there are many scholars giving the meaning, so which one is authentic and who guaranteed?

                Read your Creator and Sustainer's Easy-to-understand Quran.
                The meaning that best fits, is the right meaning of any particular word.

                Some meaning will contradict the whole understanding of The Quran, and throw you into confusion.
                And a particular meaning will be consistent with the whole understanding of Al-Quran, and make things clear.

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                  TruthBehindIt
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                  The Ummah is Lost!-----and not ready to return to Allah.
                  Do we need a Messenger???

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                    loxbox13
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                    a messenger of god or prophet , has to be a , predisent or an important man in some sort of government /State .
                    the only way a person can call himself a messenger of god, is if he is a part of a government, so he can take over and can lead a nation / world to the message
                    a religious leader is automatiquely a sectaien, no matter xhat sect he belongs to, be it quranist o submitter o sunni or anything like
                    a messenger has to be a person that has no religion or myth .
                    the messenger that came after ISA is called Ahmed, and there is another name in the quran Muhamed , if Mohamed brought the quran, than ahmed didn't come yet, if Ahmed brought the quran, than Muhamed didn't come yet. I believe more that the messenger , seal of the prophets didn't come yet. some of my friends believe Ahmed is the one who didn't come yet, that is why too many false prophets played on the named ahmed.
                    anyway.
                    there is no existance of muhamed in the history of men. even though , there is history of nations 1400 years ago, so probably , Muhamed didn't come yet. the people who manipulated history and religions , have made a very hard road for him if he comes, and the first shield against him will be muslims themselves.
                    imgine, a man, a ruler, appeas on TV and tells the world, not that he is a prophet, no that he is a messenger, but, that he is prophet muhamed himself !!!!
                    what will be the reaction of the musilm ummah. ?

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                      imgine, a man, a ruler, appeas on TV and tells the world, not that he is a prophet, no that he is a messenger, but, that he is prophet muhamed himself !!!!
                      what will be the reaction of the musilm ummah. ?

                      They will stone him to death... rotfl

                      Salam / Peace

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                        hope4
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                        Selam

                        I am not sure if we need a new messenger, but I feel we need a good discovery through archaeology that will help us piece together the truth.

                        Peace

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                          unknownuser
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                          We don't need a new messenger. We need people to ACTUALLY read the quran!

                          I don't think most people even really touch it. Just as most Christians have probably never really read the bible, likewise most Muslims.

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