I challenge all Quranists.
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Hadiths are true.
I love God and I love his messenger and I love my muslims people.
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Hadiths are true.
Peace,
So do you believe they are divinely inspired and thus as infallible as the Quran?
If yes, then you must believe Bukhari is a prophet of Allah, and that the Quran is not the only divinely-inspired book in Islam. The problem with this is that it will be contradicting the Quran which claims to be "fully detailed" and contradicting the fact that Prophet Muhammad could not have made laws on his own as per 6938-47, and contradicting the fact that no law-bearing prophet can come after Prophet Muhammad. And probably a plethora of other contradictions too.
If no, then you agree it is prone to contradictions and falsehood, therefore what is the point in associating it with Allah's pure, protected words? What is the point of following anything in it? Why not just follow the only preserved and infallible book of Allah, The Quran?
Please think deeply about it, my friend. Don't just let your emotions guide you - fact is fact.
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Say "Shall we inform you of the greatest losers?"
"Those whose efforts in the worldly life were wasted while they thought they were doing good!"
These are the ones who rejected the revelations of their Lord and His meeting. So their works were in vain, and We will not give them any value on the day of resurrection.May peace be with you.
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Peace,
The problem with this is that it will be contradicting the Quran which claims to be "fully detailed"
If there is a verse telling you to follow another source besides the quran, it always keep the quran detailled; because that verse by telling you to follow this source, is like to make the informations contained in that book in the quran since we have to follow what is there. Making these informations in the quran or in another source by telling you to follow this source is the same.
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Peace,
If there is a verse telling you to follow another source besides the quran, it always keep the quran detailled; because that verse by telling you to follow this source, is like to make the informations contained in that book in the quran since we have to follow what is there. Making these informations in the quran or in another source by telling you to follow this source is the same.
Peace,
Can you please quote me any verse from the Quran in which you feel it says to follow another source as divine guidance?
Also, if you're following another book that has the same things as in the Quran, then what's the point in following it? Is the Quran not the superior book that you will take over the other one? Not to mention if there is a book that has some similar things as the Quran, but then also has some very offensive, degrading and baseless things in it regarding what the Quran says, do you still feel it's wise to hold that book in esteem?
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Can you please quote me any verse from the Quran in which you feel it says to follow another source as divine guidance?
I said If ^^. Well, I'm really not sure at 100% what Obey the messenger means...
Also, if you're following another book that has the same things as in the Quran, then what's the point in following it?
I think that we don't need to follow it.
Is the Quran not the superior book that you will take over the other one?
No since the other book is also a revelation.
Not to mention if there is a book that has some similar things as the Quran, but then also has some very offensive, degrading and baseless things in it regarding what the Quran says, do you still feel it's wise to hold that book in esteem?
Of course no. If you speak about the book of hadiths, please note that Sunni's don't follow all what is in those books (da3if, moutawatir ect...)
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I said If ^^. Well, I'm really not sure at 100% what Obey the messenger means...
Peace,
Well, the question was rhetorical. There are no such verses, therefore no reason to really entertain the idea, right? In terms of "Obey the messenger", there are only two ways one can do this from the time this commandment was decreed with 100% infallibility.
- Receiving information from Prophet Muhammad himself
- Receiving information from a source in which what Prophet Muhammad said and did is recorded in, and it is divinely protected and preserved from the original decree
Number 1 could have only been followed while Prophet Muhammad was alive, and even so, everything of divine guidance he said would have been from The Quran (6938-47). Number 2 can only be from The Quran, as it is the only book Allah has divinely protected and preserved. In it is what Prophet Muhammad said and did. Obeying him is obeying Allah, as he was unable to decree divine commands of his own (6938-47). Hadiths are just hearsay compiled hundreds of years after Prophet Muhammad died, therefore it is susceptible to the mistakes and agendas of humankind. And indeed today MANY contradictions and inconsistencies can be found with them in relating to The Quran.
I think that we don't need to follow it.
Exactly. Anything from hadith that are in agreement with the Quran, one can get from the Quran anyway, therefore the hadith become useless.
No since the other book is also a revelation.
Which other book is a revelation from Allah that is uncorrupted and divinely protected (besides The Quran)?
Of course no. If you speak about the book of hadiths, please note that Sunni's don't follow all what is in those books (da3if, moutawatir ect...)
I am speaking about the hadiths... isn't that the topic at hand? And I have noted that Sunnis do this, hence why I find their religion to be absurd and I do not follow it.
May peace be with you.
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I will leave this satanic forum; there is a lot of fitna in it, Soubhanallah; I will encourage my brothers to do not listen to these people here in this satanic forum who are trying to disturb people in their true religion because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THE PROPHET (saws). aoudoubilah ! AND YES HADITHS ARE TRUE AND I LOVE MY PROPHET AND HE IS NOT A BARBAR, HE IS THE BEST CREATURE IN THIS WORLD AND HE OBEY TO GOD ON EVERYTHING. Abu Hurayrah reported that Rasool Allah (saws) said ?By Him in whose hand my soul lies, none of you believe until I am more beloved to him than his father and son.? (BUKHAARI Kitaab al Imaan ) .
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I will leave this satanic forum; there is a lot of fitna in it, Soubhanallah; I will encourage my brothers to do not listen to these people here in this satanic forum who are trying to disturb people in their true religion because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THE PROPHET (saws). aoudoubilah ! AND YES HADITHS ARE TRUE AND I LOVE MY PROPHET AND HE IS NOT A BARBAR, HE IS THE BEST CREATURE IN THIS WORLD AND HE OBEY TO GOD ON EVERYTHING. Abu Hurayrah reported that Rasool Allah (saws) said ?By Him in whose hand my soul lies, none of you believe until I am more beloved to him than his father and son.? (BUKHAARI Kitaab al Imaan ) .
Your argument reflects the strength of the religion you follow. Nothing can stop Sunnism from setting.
May Allah guide you to Islam.
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I will leave this satanic forum; there is a lot of fitna in it, Soubhanallah; I will encourage my brothers to do not listen to these people here in this satanic forum who are trying to disturb people in their true religion because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THE PROPHET (saws). aoudoubilah ! AND YES HADITHS ARE TRUE AND I LOVE MY PROPHET AND HE IS NOT A BARBAR, HE IS THE BEST CREATURE IN THIS WORLD AND HE OBEY TO GOD ON EVERYTHING. Abu Hurayrah reported that Rasool Allah (saws) said ?By Him in whose hand my soul lies, none of you believe until I am more beloved to him than his father and son.? (BUKHAARI Kitaab al Imaan ) .
Take care, thanks for visiting. may Allah guide us to the truth and increase us in knowledge.
Peace
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Narrated 'Ayesha , The Prophet used to kiss her when he was fasting and he would suck her tongue -
?Aisha reported Allah?s Messenger used to kiss (his wives) while fasting and embraced (them) while fasting; but he had the greatest mastery over his desire among you. -
Narrated Aisha ?The Prophet (PBUH) used to kiss and embrace his wives while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you.? (Bukhari, volume three, Hadith number 149).
Salam,
Looks like the messenger (as they see him) never read the Qur'an. That isnt my messenger.
Thanks for the references
PEACE
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