Poll: do you believe that the Qur'an allows men to beat their wives?
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Beating one?s wife is not a practice that I believe the most Merciful/The Most Compassionate would allow. I believe the correct translation has to be to separate from them. We are supposed to be kind to our spouses not Lords over them. We cannot force God?s system on our spouses (even on our own children).
2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been made clear from the wrong way. Whoever rejects the transgressors, and acknowledges God, has grasped the firm branch that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.
There is no compulsion in the system (our religion). If your wife is disloyal simply divorce her.
Peace,
Kevin -
peace S29, KDC501, all,
I am surprised people here continue to cite meanings of "idriboo" in 434 that simply do not fit with what The Quran actually says.
I can only assume the findings of www.Quran434.com have not been studied by such people.
There is only one meaning that fits perfectly. See above work.
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In the same chapter, Surah An-Nisa, Ayah 19 translates to 'O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take part of what you gave them unless they commit a clear immorality. And live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them - perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good.'
With that understood, 'separating' from them makes more sense in context.
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Either of those two meanings do not give perfect Quran coherence.
Only one meaning does.
To find out more, see www.Quran434.com
Peace,
This translation seems to make the most sense in context with the ayah after. But what I find strange is that the command switches suddenly from the spouse in the marriage to the authority, so that the only way to make it work is to interject with who is being referred to in brackets (which I believe is not part of the revealed word).
...and (lastly) cite them (to the authority). If they obeyed you, then seek not against them a way; Truly, God is High, Great.
And if you (authority) feared a rift between them two, then appoint a judge from his family and a judge from hers. If they both want to reconcile, then God will bring agreement between them. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.
Any idea on why this is?
Peace.
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peace Eikonoklastes,
Did you read all the website?
The command does not change from the spouse at all. The Quran is often efficient with its wording, as long as one uses their logic when reading it, e.g.
435 is linked to 434 with "wa/and", and in 435 the "And if YOU" is plural and can only refer to the authority (which every translation recognises, as far as I'm aware). So, it is clear the authority have been notified by 435 - but according to all translations, Quran does not mention how such a thing came about. Now, this info on its own, may not sound like much, but when ALL other info in Quran points to one answer only, then it only leaves one viable option - "cite them".
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peace Eikonoklastes,
Did you read all the website?
The command does not change from the spouse at all. The Quran is often efficient with its wording, as long as one uses their logic when reading it, e.g.
435 is linked to 434 with "wa/and", and in 435 the "And if YOU" is plural and can only refer to the authority (which every translation recognises, as far as I'm aware). So, it is clear the authority have been notified by 435 - but according to all translations, Quran does not mention how such a thing came about. Now, this info on its own, may not sound like much, but when ALL other info in Quran points to one answer only, then it only leaves one viable option - "cite them".
I read the article. Great research bro! bravo
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peace Eikonoklastes,
Did you read all the website?
The command does not change from the spouse at all. The Quran is often efficient with its wording, as long as one uses their logic when reading it, e.g.
435 is linked to 434 with "wa/and", and in 435 the "And if YOU" is plural and can only refer to the authority (which every translation recognises, as far as I'm aware). So, it is clear the authority have been notified by 435 - but according to all translations, Quran does not mention how such a thing came about. Now, this info on its own, may not sound like much, but when ALL other info in Quran points to one answer only, then it only leaves one viable option - "cite them".
Peace,
I admittedly had to read the particular portion outlining this a few times, but I finally understand it. Thanks for your help. It's quite clear.
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One question I do have though for you is this aren't all the other usages of the word "daraba" figurative expressions, like the english expression "I'm going to hit the road"? When you say "I'm going to hit the road" it doesn't mean that you go out to the road and punch it, it means that you're going to depart. But when you say "I'm going to hit the woman" that's not really an expression for anything besides beating her, even if there are figurative expressions out there that use the word "hit"...
Isn't it the same case with "daraba"?
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I dont know how you got that idea. In the article, part 1 analyses the occurrences of DRB in detail.
It seems that the default meaning of DRB is "to put/show forth (from one person/place to another person/place)". This core meaning fits into every occurrence, and thus could be seen as its basic/core meaning. Lane's Lexicon states that its meaning is "to put into commotion" which is similar. Of course, with various prepositions and subject matter, this basic meaning can be refined and better rendered depending on situation.
