Who is speaking along the Qur'an?God, prophets, Gin and Angels only? Must read
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You didn't get my point yet.
Read suret el safat from 145 to the end...you will notice...
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Peace.
To be honest, I simply didn't read your original post carefully.
But now that I did, I don't really see the problem. A transition to another speaker in the great reading is not always marked by the word or whatever. It's simply understood, by context or wording. If you have trouble seeing that, I'll help you insert brackets. To me personally, this is one of the features that make this book special, like no other.
Abdelilah
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will you put brackets over God's words??
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In the name of the god, the almighty, the merciful.
There's neither strenght nor power except with the god.I'll do it not only for you, but for anyone who is too stupid to see/hear it themselves.
In case you didn't know, every translation out there already puts numerous things "over the god's words". Chapter titles, chapter numbers, verse numbers, punctuation marks, etc etc.Abdelilah
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Peace all,
"who is speaking in the Quran.." is a good and realistic question. All believers can read it in a positive manner, but if you consider the meaning of all verses that resemble like a conversation, you generally get surprise "who is speaking?"
God, Gabriel, Prophet or ...?
I'd prefer a rationalistic answer than reactioned one...Salam.
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Peace,
God, Gabriel, Prophet or ...?
I'd prefer a rationalistic answer than reactioned one...297 Say, "Who is an enemy to Gabriel - so indeed he descended it on your mind by permission Allah confirming what between His hands and guidance and glad tiding to the believers."
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33 He descended to you the book with the truth confirming to what between His hands, and He descended the Taurat and the Injeel.Say is to the prophet by Gabriel (transmitting) confirming what ?between His hands? figurative from Allah.
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Too obvious there is something hidden here.....no not brackets, I may understand it other way round...who told you to bracket that or these...if you believe in the Qur'an alone where in the Qur'an it was said that you must bracket this or that....please UNDERSTAND THE QUR'AN FROM INSIDE NOT FROM OUTSIDE...Sebaweh made the Arabic language rules after 300 years of the revelation of the Qur'an...don't put brackets like NO THESE ARE NOT IN THE QUR'AN....
Is there the words Mohamed here? any sign of Mohamed???Is there anything here in the Qur'an referring to who is speaking???other than what we thought of who is God, but he isn't....
Why Allah in the Qur'an is always mentioned by the absent subject why??
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Peace.
Isn't it clear that the same one/thing/unknown who had the right to write the ayat above in suret el shora is the same unknown thing/one/creature who is telling surret el fateha???he is praising God, and asking him to show us (him and us) the right way????
Is God praising himself?? not God is teaching us how to ask him?? he said in another verse that he is close to us...then why would he do so twice???
I'd prefer a rationalistic answer than reactioned one...
Ofcourse. But the question was an accusation; insinuating that the god's scripture was tampered with and written by different authors. At least that's how I understood it.
Too obvious there is something hidden here.....no not brackets, I may understand it other way round...who told you to bracket that or these...if you believe in the Qur'an alone where in the Qur'an it was said that you must bracket this or that....please UNDERSTAND THE QUR'AN FROM INSIDE NOT FROM OUTSIDE...Sebaweh made the Arabic language rules after 300 years of the revelation of the quran...don't put brackets like NO THESE ARE NOT IN THE QURAN....
My bad. I didn't intend to mean brackets but quotation marks. Sorry for the confusion.
In case you didn't know already, the honorable reading was not descended at once as a book (written document). It was inspired to the prophet and then written down without quotation marks or whatever. Pre-modern Arabic did not use punctuation.
But whether you like it or not, even you, when reading the text will inevitably "insert" punctuation marks everytime you pause (comma), everytime you stop/long pause (full stop/period), when using intonation (quotation marks, question mark, exclamation mark etc) etc etc etc.
Abdelilah
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Ofcourse. But the question was an accusation; insinuating that the god's scripture was tampered with and written by different authors. At least that's how I understood it.
Ok but, muslims should guide themselves by discussions. Also, muslims should guide non-muslims who ask...
If you know the right answer, there's no need to blame the question. There's absolutely need the peaceful and rational answers. I think all of us are individual belivers. God's Truth is given to everyone in a different style and amount.
...Such is the guidance of Allah. He guides therewith whom He pleases,(4279) but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide.(3923)
Peace all.
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Peace.
Ok but, muslims should guide themselves by discussions. Also, muslims should guide non-muslims who ask...
I myself get annoyed sometimes when I see people let their emotions and pride take over, knowing that the discussion would be much more fruitful if they would keep their calm. How many otherminded people leave this forum because they are chased away. OK, maybe some of them already made their minds up, but we should at least treat them in a courteous way and give them a chance to hear what we have to say.
If you know the right answer, there's no need to blame the question.
I don't know. Read the first post again. Because of all the multiple question marks after every sentence, it seems as if the whole post was meant in a demeaning way. And I responded to that.
...Such is the guidance of Allah. He guides therewith whom He pleases,(4279) but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide.(3923)
All in all, I get what you mean and I totally agree with you. So let's just leave it at that .
Thanks for the reminder and may the god guide us all to what is best.
Abdelilah
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I think it is the ruh, or who/whatever delivered the message to the prophet.
037.164 - And there is none of us but has an assigned place,
037.165 - And most surely we are they who draw themselves out in ranks,
037.166 - And we are most surely they who declare the glory (of Allah).Who is talking here?
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Like it or not, if God wrote this Qur'an and spoke then he will have a character, and there is nothing like God, and a character is one created thing. so it makes sense.It is a higher level creature whose job is to deliver the revelation and to send the revelation to prophets and choose them according to God's revelation to this creature.
1)No, brackets are not intended in the Qur'an, every time you say so, put in mind that this is the revelation of God, he could have ordered commas to be put but he didn't, then there is a sign for that.
2)Don't put history on the only right book that we are sure (At least me) that it is God's revelation.
3)Read Suret Al shora disregarding history and the commas....
4)I am not accusing...I am pointing out that God didn't speak to anyone but he only gives his words hidden...because there is nothing like him...and you can have a conversation with things, see things and only things show up like what happened with Moses....
5)Am I wrong?
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.it is a higher level creature whose job is to deliver the revelation and to send the revelation to prophets and choose them according to God's revelation to this creature.
So there you have your answer!
As for "if God spoke then he will have a character", look around you. Your face, does it not have a specific shape? The Earth is round, the sky is blue, space is dark. Just because God is free of likeness does not mean He does not have a modus operandi.
4111 - Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said We come willingly.
The "speech" of ALLAH is not like human speech! Just because God has no likeness does not mean he cannot have attributes. It means that anything about God's "self" is free of likeness. NOBODY and NOTHING else is "ar-rahman" or "ar-raheem"!
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So there you have your answer!
As for "if God spoke then he will have a character", look around you. Your face, does it not have a specific shape? The Earth is round, the sky is blue, space is dark. Just because God is free of likeness does not mean He does not have a modus operandi.
4111 - Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said We come willingly.
The "speech" of ALLAH is not like human speech! Just because God has no likeness does not mean he cannot have attributes. It means that anything about God's "self" is free of likeness. NOBODY and NOTHING else is "ar-rahman" or "ar-raheem"!
You can't 'Define' God and we do not know and it was not said if he has a feature or not...
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God has MANY attributes in al-quran, these are definitions. They are definitions because nothing else possesses these attributes or even can, hence they define "God".
You can't define "God"? The very act of using the word "God" means you can. I understand where you ae coming from however. He also has a "face" (chapter 55) and a "hand" (chapter 39) but as I said, there is no likeness to either of these.
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God has names not adjectives...you are going far...this is not a hand/face....no no be care full...Well, further search will be held upon myself...
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the way I see it
we are all influenced by the hadith, no matter how we say quran aloners.
for exemple, if we ignore completely hadiths, that we have to ignore all the stories of muhamed, and his companions, we have to make in our minds that none of these existed,and are fabrications, cuse we say hadiths is the work of satan, and if it is so, so nothing is real or true, everything is an illusion to take us away from the quran, including the stories of muhamed, isa , and the companions etc
mosy of the times , when allah adresses directly in the quran, it doesn't necesary mean he is addressing the one receiving the revelation, he could be adressing you, me and common people.
the verse that allah said , he descended the quran is stages, it doesn't mean it descended in the lifetime of the receiver of the quran, byt it descended in stages since the time of the 1st man who received the revelation.
some surahs, descended on moses, some on isa , some on ahmed or mohamed, the one after isa
surah hud for exemple, descended on Isa , and it is a real part of the injeel, if you read among, allah say , this book, and the torah before it.
there are many surahs, that descended on moses, some on ibraheem , and completed the book with the last receiver of the book
it is the same book, that came in stages, some surahs on the 1st man, notice when he speaks directly to adam, Oh adam, eat and drnk and do not approach...etc... therefore , this is a part of the quran that descended on adam.
well, some people say it is impossible, because the torah is in hebrew??? injeel aramaic??? etc... well, this is also a lie, just like the hadiths.
the secet that reveals that the ARAB TONGUE of the Quran, is the tongue spoken by the 1st man who was able to speak. read the so called miracl of moses, and you will realise that ARAB TONGUE was first inspired to adam, and it is the sacred language , the illuminati's love to taqlk about , but gives it a sound like an unspoken language.
the story of moses has to miracle at all
when Moses said in arabic Heya asayeh , it is a subliminal word, that reads the same backward, when the said Heya hayeh also read and writes the same backward and forward.
when allah said to mosesnotice you can read it right to left, or left to right.
the trick is this
Moses said Ini lahum mabouth ( am to them sent ) Record it and play it backward, and you'll get shockked , you will hear THOUABANE MUBINE .
Aasaya is a recording tool and not a Rod like they want us to believe.
The music industry and media, are doing exactly what Feraon was doing by contrlling the minds of people. and they're succeding bad, I see some arab people calling westerners to come and bomb their countries , MAGICCCCC
the time of a messenger has come, the rulers of the world, and the keepers of the knowlege of the Quran KNOWS that, that is why they want to prepare for the next few years, it will be hard on most people , and specially on them, who are manipulating the minds of the world.
Allah knows best,
I believe a ?essenger is coming soon ( cause i see it almost impossible for regular people can spread truth , has to be a man of state, a ruler ) , and I believe he will come sooner than we think, in our lifetime , I don't know if it's the end or not, but I feel it. and unsderstand it this way, and allah knows i am sincere in my research for truth. hopefully we will find the truth.
read moses miracles, the secret is also in the qirplane built by solomon, while they keep telling us Di Vinci imagined it and put it on a paper a feww hundred years ago.
MANTIQ TAYR , is the technique of flying and not the speach of birds.
SALAM