When religion is believed to be a demon..
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As for knowing creation and the thoughts of God, behind every atom and star, that is one thing. But when it comes to Islam, there definately is a time when you have complete knowledge. This is when you understand "surrender", and the celebration of the eternal unchangable God.
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I understand where you are coming from now, yes, that's true. I came to a certain point where everything just clicked and I understood "surrender", self-realisation, the way of ALLAH. It's like the beginning of a new road. Although nothing has really changed and I am still utterly clueless about most things, I have to watch my actions 300x more; there is zero room to claim ignorance now.
Also it becomes apparent why this verse is so "Those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor guide them in the (right) way" (4137). After having such a direct knowledge & acceptance of the creator as al-haqq, turning back is the gravest injustice one can do.
It's true not much thought is given to repealing the satan. One of satan's tricks is baseless discussion that goes nowhere, I see this a lot on the forum. People ignore the crucial point of the argument and divert the discussion into useless side-banter that serves no purpose but to cloud the truth. You can see it in real life a lot more. Someone is angry at someone else, and the other says something semantically ambiguous that can be taken in two ways. They obviously mean it the peaceful/nice way but the angry person often aligns with their satan and chooses to take it the angry way.
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To be honest, I`ve seen quite a few discussions, that aims to turn Islam, into something very worldly. No spirits, No heaven, no hell, no angels. All these are explained away. What is left, is pretty much humanitarian atheism, though supposedly with a divinity. It seems doubtful that they have any love for this divinity aswell. So it might just be a block of wood to them.
I WANT SPIRITUALITY ) I want the Praises of The Lord. I want the heavely celebrations, the good path of the two paths. More I cannot say.
Peace be with you,
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I feel that I have advanced to the very top levels of Islam, and corrected the esoterics while on the way. You may read that on www.paradoxuncreated.com/theology.html Else I wish you peace. May you come to the deep level of faith, with belief in spirits and angels, that are required for true Islam.
About 14 years ago; on board of a train somewhere in eastern europe, I find myself seated alongside a christian orthodox priest dressed in black, 'funny' head covering and a huge cross om his chest. And here's the snippet of our conversation.
Priest Young man, do you believe in judgement day, heaven and hell?
Me Well.. yes..
Priest What will your response be when on your judgement; God said 'you're doom to hell'?
Me That will be a very sad day for me I guess.. I'll be speechless... what will your response be if God said the same thing to you?
Priest I will say "Dear God, yes you are right.. you are always right... I do deserve Hell, let Your will be done..".In my opinion; So far.. that orthodox priest is the most moslem person that I ever met... I consider him among those who has "reached the very top levels of Islam".
Salam / Peace
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A Priest deserves hell? There are some deviant priests I guess. But I doubt they would accept Gods will.
Which made me think of a response I wanted to write earlier really. What is a scholar these days? For christians it is the trinity, and for muslims it seems to be hadithism. Has scholarship ever really brought the truth? Is it just pharisees rearing their ugly head, over and over again.
ONE THING is for sure. God is there, and if he is willing, he will teach anyone. Progression from quranic study to surrender to divine interaction, isn`t t that what what we are all supposed to do? Maybe all this discussion is quite nonsense.
Peace.
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To just answer the question.
Yes, I believe in Satan/Iblis is to be avoided and a real entity, enemy to Allah and his servants. Yes I believe in angels as well. I tend to be a more "spiritual" than a "religious" person. Hence why hadith and defiled thoughts of heaven set me off. I took classes in Demonology and Angelology, I find the subject rather fascinating.
And if God said I derserved hell, I would just cry and what can I say or do? Argue with the creator who knows me better than I know myself. I just remember His mercy is greater than His wrath.
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That is good. Treating Iblis as an enemy is fundamental to the religion. You cannot ignore it, and you cannot turn it upside down like some sufis say, that Iblis was "a kind spirit" that gave Adam, apple from the tree of eternity.
To further confuse this post I can add that, lately I have gained the understanding that psychedelics may give profound insight into some things. You know, but that is not my religion. My religion is Islam, where intoxicants are forbidden.
"Surely, Shaytan is an enemy to you, so take (treat) him as an enemy. He only invites his followers that they may become the dwellers of the blazing Fire" - Quran
And there is several verses about seeking refuge in Allah, when a thought comes to you from satan. This all should be easy to understand.
Why should I need to state this. It
s not like Im gonna go pulling disblievers by the ears for the rest of their life. grr. -
To be honest, I`ve seen quite a few discussions, that aims to turn Islam, into something very worldly. No spirits, No heaven, no hell, no angels. All these are explained away. What is left, is pretty much humanitarian atheism, though supposedly with a divinity. It seems doubtful that they have any love for this divinity aswell. So it might just be a block of wood to them.
I WANT SPIRITUALITY ) I want the Praises of The Lord. I want the heavely celebrations, the good path of the two paths. More I cannot say.
Peace be with you,
Uwaysi.Peace to you too!
From what I have learnt, islam is neither mundane or magical just like the universe. There is a general dichotomy in the global populace where one side believes that reality can have supernatural things going on that defy physics and the other side thinks everything is mundane yet that dead matter alone can construct life. The truth is somewhere in between.
When I first heard zen sayings like "there is only emptiness", I thought "well they think that nothing truly exists, that's too mundane and absurd for me". At the time I was more Sunni "prophet flew on pegasus to mir'aj" in my thinking, my supernatural-oriented mind didn't like the idea of a mundane reality. But looking much further into "emptiness" now, it reveals something far beyond supernatural that ironically can only be "found" if you let reality be as mundane as it gets.
Lesson learnt, don't have any desires when seeking the truth. Bruce Lee said that the people who have the hardest time finding the truth are those who pick and choose which truths they like. I feel that too, so many things I once overlooked because I wanted this or that side of reality instead of the whole damn thing - when seeking absolute truth, make sure it really is absolute!
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Peace )
When all idols are put aside, and truth accepted, ordinary life can be quite nice. Just being. While I have been there, and may return there, the esoteric path still draws me, and it can be far from mundane. Like recently, watching Yellow Submarine, with my esoteric background. Highly recommended.
The mind is God, so yes, if you are completely open to truth, and uphold a dicipline in always accepting it, I believe you will finally reason yourself to your own variant of Islam. I did at already at age 10, and is baffled now, when I realize it.
Peace and blessings, Uwaysi.
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It is interesting that peace has an infinite number of forms. Why? Because -infinity + infinity = 0. 2+(-2), 4+(-4), etc. You can have anything you like as long as it's peaceful. Any colour car as long as it's black. Simple as that.
EVERYTHING is a variant of islam. To go against your own nature is to try to create two peaces. You either want ALLAH alone or you want ALLAH + illusion. There are an infinite number of peaceful times but there is only ONE peace! I think this is also idolatry in a way.
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Everything tells the tale of the two paths yes. Idolatry really seems to be a simple as what is called promiscuity these days. In this, satan is visible. So if people kept themselves to whoever they were in a relationship with, things would be fine. "Satan follows his desire" - Quran.
I great a great sense of Allah alone, when I think that the mind creates reality. Which is most known from Buddhism in these times. But yeah, in the end, reality is the same for all, and described in many ways, though dealing with the same truths.
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A Priest deserves hell? There are some deviant priests I guess. But I doubt they would accept Gods will.
It could be a priest, a maid, a hadith scholar, a housewife anyone it doesn't matter and it's not the main point.
It's their attitude what's count..
Later on I found out that the priest's point of view are based on Jesus attitude / behavior as told in the Gospel..Everyone shall eventually accept God's will.. willingly or unwillingly..
Sometime it's also called as 'coping with reality'...
However if you accept it willingly then despair, anguish, anger, resentment, frustration, envy, hatred, will for revenge and all of those 'bad emotion' shall go away... And that's what islam is all about.. be at peace with yourself and be at peace with the universe..According to Quran; being a moslem is what the Devil could not do.. he can't accept God's will.. he reject, he refuse, he rebel, he's full of anger, he hates, he seek revenge...
I found it strange to find a person who claimed that 'he has reached the highest level of islam'..
Brother.. I think you haven't... but nevertheless every claim shall be put to a test..Salam / Peace
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I have reached full knowledge of Islam some time ago yes. I have tried to voice that on my webpage www.paradoxuncreated.com/theology.html and I also wrote a post called "esoteric intepretation of Islam" where a lot of this information is shared.
Abt. the devil, it seems to be simple whore. Promiscuous thoughts are from the devil, and following them is following the devil, and equals.. whoredom. )
"The cunnning of satan is feeble".
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I think he is talking about spiritual realisation more than anything else. Reaching the "highest level of islam" would imply you are near perfect in character & good which assuredly is unlikely for most who claim that.
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I think it becomes ridiculous to demand anything more from "my characther". This would imply that I would have to live up to your expectations of this fixed idol. This is a gross-misunderstanding of what surrender is.
Peace.
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See 292. If you claim to have the highest knowledge of islam, then prepare for that to get tested. There are many stories of people named and unnamed who form a covenant with ALLAH in al-quran and they do not always go through with it. It isn't "my expectations", it's what's written in al-quran. A person foremost in faith/certitude lives by ALLAH alone. Although they enjoy material things, a material object will never get in the way of their love for ALLAH. This is plastered all over al-quran so don't tell me it's a "fixed idol". In reality islam is a very definite method/system of living life.
If you claim to be foremost, then any deliberate slip up makes you a hypocrite in that point in time. "Believer/disbeliever" are not fixed terms which is why I prefer "acceptor/rejector" of truth. Iblis is well aware that ALLAH is the truth yet he rejects ALLAH. Look inside yourself, and read al-quran carefully; read a verse once, read it again, read it again. A lot of the ego-driven things we do are also things that rejectors do often. Any fear less than the fear of ALLAH is rejection, any action other than the action of truth is rejection.
The aim of al-quran is not only to give us esoteric knowledge but to stamp out every last morsel of truth-denial in the soul. ALLAH is aware of the deepest secrets of your heart, even those things it does not even tell you!
Whoever al-quran was revealed to innately must have had the highest knowledge of islam at their time, recieving direct and clearest understanding of al-quran. Refer to (684), you think that ALLAH tells them they have a character supreme for no reason? When knowledge does not coincide with action, hypocrisy is the inevitable result.
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Let me just ask you a question to see if I understand your argument correctly Do you believe you can see who is at the highest level, and that they behave a certain way so this is visible, according to you?
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t think you could have watched Kidr, and though, wow exemplary muslim. You need esoteric knowledge to know that. And everyone is God, perfect. Everything is a creation. God is the author of reality. Everyone has a perfect nature. Could you have known that from watching their behavior? It does require esoteric knowledge doesnt it.
So, we are all perfect, creator of everything.
If you try to deal with GOD ALONE, it gets difficult to point the finger, doesn`t it.Yet still one surrender to God, and partakes in this creation.
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You are correct. However, nobody but ALLAH is a useful judge of character. I can say this or that, my judgement is based on what I know. Your objective character however is what ALLAH knows, it's what you know. So how much of islam you believe yourself to know, that's between you and yourself, you and ALLAH.
However when you claim to have full knowledge, then your character is open for examination by all. A man with full knowledge of islam who lives by it, is a light and an example to all. If the prophet seems to do wrong, then everyone has the right to call him out on it in the case that he actually did do wrong. The same applies to us all. Such a method exposes the hypocrites and confirms who really believes.
Yes, you can see everyone's perfect nature from watching their behaviour. Everyone acts according to their inclination and their inclination is perfect. Existence is perfection. Doesn't mean their actions are correct however - Pharoah was perfect. He was not however flawless. Perfect and flawless are two different things!
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How can someone with lesser knowledge reach a conclusion that someone with higher knowledge actually has that? That is similar to the hypocrites who witnessed that Mohammed was Gods messenger, without having gnosis themselves. They cannot know.
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Say, you are in a foreign country, where Islam is hated. Is islamic behaviour on display here, by someone who is guided by God? Would you place a sign on your head saying "attack me"? Do you believe God wants you to do that, and that your prayers for guidance are for that?
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If someone does "wrong" (which in reality does not exist, God does not wrong, God creates) you can ofcourse call him to account for that. So wrong here is for instance, not following a system of law. A law though we have agreed on. But if you could kill your enemy by thought, would it be wrong? You would never even know. So exactly what are you looking for? GOD KNOWS WHO HIS BELIEVERS ARE.
If you think I am acting perfect for you, you have some serious reconsideration to do.
Pharao was perfect, but not flawless!? Can you expound on that )
From an islamic non-esoteric perspective, pharao was one of the worst, a killer of infants, who took people captive who would not worship him, as a god.
He does posess the same nature as everyone else yes. "God created an evil man" I guess would be the correct term, and in created realms, people act against that. And that again may be the result of the prayers of others again.
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