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When religion is believed to be a demon..

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    unknownuser
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    Do you realise the futility of God asking himself whether he possesses complete knowledge of islam or not?

    There is your answer. I don't intend any harm/damage with any of my posts, peace from the beginning to the end peace.

    Keep going, I like your esoteric viewpoints. The fastest way to ascertain the truth is to take two diametrically opposing viewpoints and find the commonality between them. Such viewpoints will use words entirely different to each other that yet have a deep meaningful connection between them that the majority of people overlook.

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      Paradox_Uncreated
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      I can rephrase it. Since God is the conscious and subconscious, and that the allmighty is alone and entertaining noone, usually is subconscious knowledge, we can talk about if I posess conscious full knowledge of Islam.

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        I believe you possess conscious full knowledge of islam, your own nature, yes. I can only say that because it shines through your word. However I don't think you have finished your journey yet, which is what I sense you are implying. The end of the road is in paradise. Only when you have died, resurrected and entered paradise will I accept that you truly do have full knowledge of islam in every possible sense of the word. Until then, no you don't and neither do I

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          Shall we say, full knowledge, when you know the two paths. I can agree to that. )

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            To be fair, there is a big difference between a self-realised person and someone who has finished their job in this lifetime (e.g. siddhartha guatama, or Muhammad). While the first person is just about aware of what needs to be done, the second person has wiped out all their negative traces on Earth and passed all their tests.

            Why are you clinging onto this "full knowledge" so much? As I said, many many people have been there. And still a lot of them set themselves up for hell.

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              Paradox_Uncreated
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              So Buddha can have full realization? That is atleast something. But I am not going to continue this argument.

              Instead I feel I have reached a fundamental understanding in my meditation, that I`d rather like to share.

              And that is

              "I am the only one, and create everything".

              And I leave it up to you, to reflect on what I may know or not.

              Peace!

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                Paradox_Uncreated
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                And about trials, some people can be more of a trial than others. Please do not be that.

                Peace.

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                  The_Dreamer
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                  To be honest, I`ve seen quite a few discussions, that aims to turn Islam, into something very worldly. No spirits, No heaven, no hell, no angels. All these are explained away. What is left, is pretty much humanitarian atheism, though supposedly with a divinity. It seems doubtful that they have any love for this divinity aswell. So it might just be a block of wood to them.

                  I WANT SPIRITUALITY I want the Praises of The Lord. I want the heavely celebrations, the good path of the two paths. More I cannot say.

                  Peace be with you,
                  Uwaysi.

                  I see the same. I see so many Qur'anists "explaining away" the supernatural. What are the angels? The forces of nature. What are the spirits? Really human beings living on Earth. What are heaven and hell? "Parables" for the pleasures and joys within life. Miracles? Nah, that's just for morons living in the Stone Age, all are "parables" and the supernatural is just a fairy tale.

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                    Yeah. One has to believe in what the Quran says, quite literally at some point. There is some depth to some concepts, that have been voiced differently in other religions. But it`s really all about the same, when one comes to know that depth. And one should avoid becoming some hate-mongering sectarian because of that. The esoteric path is really excellent in learning tolerance for different things, since everyones nature is the one allknowing God. The concept of surrender seems to quickly be realized then, and related concepts.

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                      Peace,

                      The supernatural is a fairy tale. Not because these phenomena don't exist but because there is no such thing as "supernatural", all things are intrinsically natural. As soon as a phenomenon is explained it comes into the realm of "science" and suddenly loses all its mysticism. Minds easily amused by pointless magic are saddened by this but the true magic never loses its touch. Denying the "supernatural" is fear of the unknown. But also to avoid falsehood, because it cannot be denied that the majority of supernatural claims are false or unfalsifiable. Else James Randi would be a poor man today. The truth always tends to lie in between two extremes, here it's materialism and mysticism.

                      Paradox

                      Well my point is thus; I spent a lot of time trying to "finding the truth" or "higher knowledge" or peace (true knowledge kills fear) whatever that be. After coming to this point in the mind where all existential fear ceased to be (this is what I think you mean by "total knowledge&quot I simply learnt that being a good boy is all that truly matters in the way of surrender. An ignorant person striving with all their might in doing good deeds and a knowing person striving, they're both the same in the eyes of the God. The knower is going to be tested far harder and the ignorant one is going to get their total knowledge/inner peace anyway. If the search for knowledge prevents you surrendering, then throw it away. You can always search again but a trial is tried once.

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