Why cant we scientifically prove god?
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Regarding the OP...
I was talking with my wife the other night regarding this subject. If GOD chose to reveal GOD to us, would there be any room for faith or for free will? As an example having known gravity, who denies it? Is there any room for faith or free will regarding gravity?
If intellect places demands upon your faith, then incredible claims require incredible proofs. Quranic proof
1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.
A strong/demanding intellect will show that being a "good" human is the most fulfilling way to live, similar to the stated beliefs of many secular humanists. If the Quranic system leads to a better life for you than any other system, then as a practical matter, what do you have to lose?
If no Highest Power were to exist, would a person be punished for believing in a Highest Power?
Matters of cosmic justice aren't really in the jurisdiction/knowledge/lane of humankind. As was stated in the Bible (Book of Job) "Who darkeneth counsel without knowledge?" confused
As a practical matter, how can a person lose anything by asking for help from GOD? Worst case, nothing happens. What is the best case? !
May the Highest Power grant all seekers an increase in useful knowledge.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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How can God be unprovable? Just because we cannot see our Creator doesn?t mean that he doesn?t exist. In my view an "educated atheist" is the dumbest of the dumb. If we are so "educated" then why can't any of us create a simple fly? God?s creation?s are complex. The fact that creation itself is not erratic but are filled with complexities which cannot be replicated should be more than sufficient proof of an All-Powerful, Super-Intelligent Creator.
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We are, as a race, educated enough to manufacture life and organisms, it has already been done countless times. Illegal in most countries though.
@The Question
God is the One. The One God knows the seen and unseen because he is the seen and unseen. We are all just part of the glory that is Him, Her, It, as it is neither male nor female, known or unknown, it is that it is. God told Moses "I am That I am". That's it, no one can escape from the fact that we are just one part of the revolving magnificence of the One God.
About scientifically proving his existence, Physics is what you would like to look into. Physics has proved many things, one of which is that energy never dies, it changes. We are all made up off energy, every thing in the universe is. This energy is still but just one manifestation of the lord, but the Quran calls you to seek out God in everything, and what more proof do you need then the basis of what we are will never die. We will always be, because we a part of that divine substance which is the energy of life and death itself.
Still God is infinitely times more than that, isn't that amazing??
The Quran touches on this in many places, here is one of them
228 "How can you reject God when you were dead and He brought youto life? Then He makes you die, then He brings you to life, thento Him you return" -
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That is Allah , your Lord; there is no deity except Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Disposer of all things.6103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.If an Atheist ask, why believe?
Its my freedom to believe.nothing can prove nor disprove god, still Allah can put you in Heaven for Eternity simply to prove Allah exist, still how do you count how long an Eternity is?
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I have contentions about this. IMO the only people truly thinking "you can't prove God's existence" are rejectors of truth. Yet believers compromise and claim that the one single absolute truth cannot be proved at all? Don't bow down to ignorance.
6808 - Therefor obey/yield not thou the rejecters
6809 - Who would have had thee compromise, that they may compromise.Al-quran states those who deny the judgement are only wrongdoers (8312).
A large amount of people are certain that God exists, no? They have reached the absolute; they may not call it "God" but that is what "God" refers to.
If ALLAH could not be "proved", why send down al-quran?
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The People of the Scripture ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. But they had asked of Moses greater than that and said, "Show us Allah outright," so the thunderbolt struck them for their wrongdoing. Then they took the calf after clear evidences had come to them, and We pardoned that. And We gave Moses a clear authority.
"...bring down to them a book from the heaven.."
Scientifically, Allah cannot be proven.
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -
only Allah you put faith on, everything else, has to be scientifically proven.
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As there is very less evidence for the existence of a God, and also because knowledge of his existence is of no or very small importance to us when it comes to living our own lives freely, the question is completely useless. IF he so wants us to believe in him why don't he show himself to us. He seems to be to be suffering from bipolar disorder. He also always tries to be at the center of attention.
He loves you and you better love him back or he will burn you forever.
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As there is very less evidence for the existence of a God, and also because knowledge of his existence is of no or very small importance to us when it comes to living our own lives freely, the question is completely useless. IF he so wants us to believe in him why don't he show himself to us. He seems to be to be suffering from bipolar disorder. He also always tries to be at the center of attention.
He loves you and you better love him back or he will burn you forever.
Salam Munzir..
Where have you been, long time no see.. -
God created Science. How a Creation to proof the Creator?
Then there is no way to prove God. voodoo Now lets rely on your conjecture. ! "God" created Science. Very believable. hmm
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Salam Munzir..
Where have you been, long time no see..Hi, I'm back, atleast for a while.
been busy O0
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Hi, I'm back, atleast for a while.
been busy O0
Glad to have you back brother..
If my aging brain serve me well.. you're living in Maldives right?
There's a new member from within 'your neighborhood' now.. maybe you would like to say hi to him.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602876.0 -
Peace sun
I have said this before to someone who asked the same question of "why can't God just show himself"
Well you have to keep in mind that this vast universe cannot bear the presence of God because all of it can virtually fit in his hands. God states that no one's vision can encompases him, but his vision encompasses all things. Thus God is too Great for anyone to see!Praise be to God, from the Highest degrees!
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Peace sun
I have said this before to someone who asked the same question of "why can't God just show himself"
Well you have to keep in mind that this vast universe cannot bear the presence of God because all of it can virtually fit in his hands. God states that no one's vision can encompases him, but his vision encompasses all things. Thus God is too Great for anyone to see!Praise be to God, from the Highest degrees!
Wait, isn't God everywhere? Or you think he is outside and cannot encompass the universe? Is he not supposed to be omnipresent? And why is he unable to make himself visible to us? Is he not all able? If a God was our creator and he wanted us to know that so much, why don't he show us proof of his existence without telling us to rely on conjecture. Is God unaware of the scientific method?
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Wait, isn't God everywhere?
Yes He/It is..Or you think he is outside and cannot encompass the universe? Is he not supposed to be omnipresent? And why is he unable to make himself visible to us? Is he not all able? If a God was our creator and he wanted us to know that so much, why don't he show us proof of his existence without telling us to rely on conjecture.
Is God unaware of the scientific method?Scientific method
Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoningLet's try that..
Inquiry What makes the earth go round the sun within circular motion?
Hypothesis A force, let's name it 'gravity'
I Where is this force located?
H Nearly around every object, the bigger the masses the bigger it is.
I Why can't we see this 'gravity'
H Gravity cannot be seen since it's a force and not a light emitting or deflecting material however it's observable through the effect that it produce.Now let's try to answer your question..
Q Is He outside and cannot encompass the universe?
A He is not outside
Q Is he not supposed to be omnipresent?
A Yes He is.
Q And why is he unable to make himself visible to us?
A He is visible to you but you don't recognize Him. He is not visible to you because you cannot comprehend Him.
Q Is he not all able?
A Yes He is all able.
Q If a God was our creator and he wanted us to know that so much, why don't he show us proof of his existence without telling us to rely on conjecture.
A The proof of His existence is that you know that you exist and you know that everything outside of you exist and He doesn't tell you to rely on conjecture.Let's expand the QA
Q What if God doesn't exist
A Then you and things outside of you doesn't exist.
Q What if I believe that there's no God
A What you believe doesn't matter, it will not alter any fact at allSalam / Peace
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Now let's try to answer your question..
Q Is He outside and cannot encompass the universe?
A He is not outsideSalam / Peace
proof? Other than a religious scripture? Have you observed this?
Q Is he not supposed to be omnipresent?
A Yes He is.proof? Other than religion?
Q And why is he unable to make himself visible to us?
A He is visible to you but you don't recognize Him. He is not visible to you because you cannot comprehend Him.If he is all able and is able to conjure us and destroy us magically then why can he not allow us to see him? If he is so all-able.
Q Is he not all able?
A Yes He is all able.Q If a God was our creator and he wanted us to know that so much, why don't he show us proof of his existence without telling us to rely on conjecture.
A The proof of His existence is that you know that you exist and you know that everything outside of you exist and He doesn't tell you to rely on conjecture.Isn't his existence conjecture? Why should I worship a God that does not make himself visible to me? Even if the quran says so, are you telling me to rely on conjecture?
Let's expand the QA
Q What if God doesn't exist
A Then you and things outside of you doesn't exist.
Q What if I believe that there's no God
A What you believe doesn't matter, it will not alter any fact at allSalam / Peace
You cannot come to that conclusion so quickly? How are you so certain that things outside of you will not exist if not for a supernatural creator? And also, what religion makes you believe doesn't matter. It will not alter any fact at all.
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Let's do this using math notation then.. i'm assuming you're well versed in mathematical concept..
Let denote a notation towards a conception of something without boundary, limit or end, also called as 'infinity'.
Let A = { 1,2,3,4 }
Q Where does in A?
A is not in A however A is wihinQ How could one 'see' the entire
A One cannot see the entire , as has no boundary.To further explain this, go outside your house and see the front door / main entrance of your house. You shall see one door and you shall also see things which is not door around the door (such as wall, window etc).
Now approach the door, and put your eyes next to the door surface. You shall see the door, infact what you see within your vision is only door, but you no longer see the boundary / limit of the door. However you perhaps see a 'greater detail' of the feature on the door, such as it's made of wood, there are 2 small cracks, markings, unique reliefs etc.. and perhaps as you grew your familiarity with those features, you shall name those features independently and recognize it as an entity by itself.. crack A is UBUKIK crack B is TUKATU marking A is LAPOPO relief a is DALUDU.. etc..
And as time progress.. you shall say I only see UBUKIK, TUKATU, LAPOPO and DALUDU but I don't see any door...Salam / Peace
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Isn't God able to override all mathematical concepts and logic? Isn't God the divine magician?
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Isn't God able to override all mathematical concepts and logic? Isn't God the divine magician?
Yes.. but he's the one who set the mathematical foundation concept and logic for this specific universe in the first place..
And 'from the looks of things' He's not to keen to override his own thingy... otherwise there will be a 'chaos'..There could be another universe where such concept of math here are not applicable there and vice-versa.
And there's no such thing as 'magic', and the conception of today's 'divine' is misleading.. Divine is actually a loan word from ancient sanskrit "Deiwos" which means 'shining', as thus 'divine being' is actually 'shining being'.
Salam / Peace