When does the soul leave the body?
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it's not talking about a soul, it's talking about consciousness, a person is NAFS , a conscious person, there is no soul that goes somewhere, a person ( NAfs ) is a body and energy that forms the personality ( person ) , at death, it goes off as a lamp at home turned off
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it's not talking about a soul, it's talking about consciousness, a person is NAFS , a conscious person, there is no soul that goes somewhere, a person ( NAfs ) is a body and energy that forms the personality ( person ) , at death, it goes off as a lamp at home turned off
this is how I see itnafs literally means breath, air.. however in this context yes I would agree that it means 'soul'..
I still find it hard to accept on the conception of 'there's no soul' only consciousness..Having seen a 'possessed person' before my own eyes... I could see that the 'possessed person''s brain (and as thus his body too since brain basically control all part of the body) are being hijacked/infiltrated/hacked by something other than his/her own 'self' / soul. I could see a different 'person' within the same body which talk in different language etc.. And once the 'nafs' returned.. he could not remember a thing on what happened. (lost of memory).
As of now; I believe that there is 'soul' and it's different conception than 'consciousness'..
And at death (or sleep or 'possessed' this 'soul' are somehow 'separated' or 'disconnected' from the body.. or specifically 'disconnected from the brain'..."They ask you concerning the soul (Ruh). Say that the soul (Ruh) is the affair of God and you have not been given knowledge of it except a little."
(1785)It's intriguing that the above verse uses 'ruh' instead of 'nafs'..
Salam / Peace
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I was just wondering. According to 660 and 3942 it leaves every night and comes back. 791 tells us that angels take the soul. I was assuming that this would happen at the time of death?
Cheers;
Peace.Asslamau Alaykom
I want to tell my story it will maybe help to you understand those verses,
One day at morning i was trying to do what they call out of body experience by letting my body sleeping while my mind still awake after some time i felt my body vibrating at high speed (its quite frightening as feeling when you experience it for the first time but quite enjoyable when you get used to it) after that i felt something weird about my body like i am a ghost or something and i remember using my fingers to lift my body and then i pushed it to the top of my room (the separation sometime make you feel that there is many tiny thorn in your physical body not an enjoyable feeling) then my eyes opened and i saw my original body sleeping from above so i started to repeat the Basmallah out of fear it was very very scary and i though i was dead for real and about the return to the body i thought it was always instantaneous but it was not case one time i took me one minute or more(in complete darkness) to be back and i think its a message from Allah to me that the going back happen only if he allow it.sorry for my poor english
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You astrally projected. It does not necessarily have to be a fearful experience. Investigate further! Dreams are very interesting things to learn from.We have ruh, the nafs is like an aspect of the soul and it may lead to good or evil, the ruh is pure spirit from God that gives us consciousness. Hence "whatever good is from God, whatever evil from man's own self".
I agree with loxbox to a degree. See 7528.
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The "Nafs" when alienated from the body during sleep leaves the body in the state as the Pilot puts the plane on auto. The Nafs is the true person/the Will under whose command some parts of the body act. What is the relationship between body and the Will/True Person within it, see some patient of Alzheemir at advanced stage.
"Two points need to be noted; one, Quran has not called it a disease. It is an inability. The loss of ability of performing the act of segregating, search to find {}, locate, know. The second point is that it does not denote the loss of knowledge the effected person had attained in life up to that point of time. It does not reflect memory loss or deletion of data from the brain. It only reflects that the access to that data is being denied to the affected person for the purpose of retrieving it. And failure to retrieve data/information from the brain incapacitates that person to perform the desired act , an act by design/command/decision. This man gradually losses command over his body organs/cells which keep performing all those acts which they perform in accordance with the built in data/information stored therein. All of them become independent and self directed, no more subservient or under control/will of the "person" of that body. The human body and "person" are two distinct entities. The "person" is reflected/represented by "will and decision". Perhaps Alzheimer's disease at its last stage can help people to reflect and understand who is the "real man" in the body of a human being. Physical body is visible in a most pitiable shape but the "real man" who was once the holder of that beautiful body is no more visible."
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Perception and meaningsQuran had disclosed what today we call Alzheimer's disease]http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/002.%20Meanings%20and%20Tabweeb%20of%20words/003.%20Arzal%20il%20Umre%20Alzheimer's%20disease/03.%20Arzal%20Umar.htm]Quran had disclosed what today we call Alzheimer's disease
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This man gradually losses command over his body organs/cells which keep performing all those acts which they perform in accordance with the built in data/information stored therein. All of them become independent and self directed, no more subservient or under control/will of the "person" of that body.
"...And whomsoever We cause to live long, We reduce (him) to an abject state in constitution; do they not then understand? (3667-6"
All biological life grows, blossoms then shrivels. In quran the age of 40 seems to be the time that man blossoms.