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    Non-koranic ideas about the Day of Judgement.

    Many believers think that the Earth will be destroyed at Judgement Day or will be turned into Hell.
    This unkoranic way of thinking may lead to a conscious or sub-conscious contempt for the Earth ? the place that the Creator has made as a home for the human-beings. Out of respect for the Creator ? the believers should take care of the Earth in the best way as peace-makers, sharers of abundance and protectors of the environment.

    According to the Koran the Earth will not be the place of Hell, it will be the place for the righteous believers who will inherit the Earth ? so the believers have to give due respect to the Earth as a precious creation of God ? in stead of regarding it as a place of possible Hell.

    3969 The earth will shine with the light of its Lord ?

    3974 They said, "Praise be to God who has fulfilled His promise to us, and He made us inherit the earth, enjoying Paradise as we please. What a beautiful recompense for the workers!"

    21105 We have written in the Psalms "After the reminder, that the earth will be inherited by My servants who do good.

    As written before - an example of the wrong view that the Earth will be left to the wicked, is found in the front page article of the Free-Minds site ? Judgement Day, Hell & Earth.

    Quote of the conclusion of the article
    ----- In the events of Judgement Day, what is most revealing and frightening is that Hell is not a distant place to which the criminals will be herded, but is the reality of our Earth transforming into the stuff of nightmares ? a place where the wicked will be stranded ? as long as the heavens and Earth are standing, while the righteous will be taken away.
    It is this new reality that sheds light on many of the verses in the Qur?an that deal with the subject, the foremost of which is that ?all mankind will enter Hell?
    1971-72 And every single one of you will be in it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass. Then We will save those who were righteous, and We will leave the wicked in it on their knees.
    According to the Qur?an, our lush green planet, will be transformed into a barren, barely inhabitable wasteland - where the sun has expanded, the sky has torn, the mountains have been crushed, lava is gushing from the belly of the Earth, the seas have become too hot to sustain life, there are barely any places to take shelter in, nor is there any abundant shade ? it is a miserable, desolate place where there is only suffering, hardship, and pain. -----
    End quote

    The idea that there will be a -rapture- of the chosen people to escape from Earth, is a concept as found in some sectarian christian groups - it is not a concept that is main-stream among the peoples of the Book, it is not found in the Koran either.

    A second mistake in the article is the premise that every human being will enter Hell ? this way of reading verse 1971-72 is contradicting following verses

    21101 As for those who deserved good from Us, they will be removed far away from it.

    21102 They shall not hear the slightest sound from it, and they will be in what their person desires abiding therein.

    Rather the righteous believers will be kept apart from the Hell and will not even hear a sound of it.

    I advice the front-page article to be reconsidered and rewritten in a way that is 100 percent compatible with the verses of the Koran.
    I invite the readers to check the relevant koranic verses themselves ? it would be interesting to read some opinions on this subject.

    Truthseeker

    Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.

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      A second mistake in the article is the premise that every human being will enter Hell ? this way of reading verse 1971-72 is contradicting following verses

      21101 As for those who deserved good from Us, they will be removed far away from it.

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      And there is none amongst you people who will not reach her

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        Dear Truthseeker

        Non-koranic ideas about the Day of Judgement.

        Many believers think that the Earth will be destroyed at Judgement Day or will be turned into Hell.
        This unkoranic way of thinking may lead to a conscious or sub-conscious contempt for the Earth ? the place that the Creator has made as a home for the human-beings. Out of respect for the Creator ? the believers should take care of the Earth in the best way as peace-makers, sharers of abundance and protectors of the environment.

        I don't believe that the earth will be destroyed but it will be replaced.

        1448 The day the earth is replaced with another earth, as are the heavens, and they will appear before God, the One, the Irresistible.

        Non-koranic ideas about the Day of Judgement.

        Quote of the conclusion of the article
        ----- In the events of Judgement Day, what is most revealing and frightening is that Hell is not a distant place to which the criminals will be herded, but is the reality of our Earth transforming into the stuff of nightmares ? a place where the wicked will be stranded ? as long as the heavens and Earth are standing, while the righteous will be taken away.
        It is this new reality that sheds light on many of the verses in the Qur?an that deal with the subject, the foremost of which is that ?all mankind will enter Hell?
        1971-72 And every single one of you will be in it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass. Then We will save those who were righteous, and We will leave the wicked in it on their knees.
        According to the Qur?an, our lush green planet, will be transformed into a barren, barely inhabitable wasteland - where the sun has expanded, the sky has torn, the mountains have been crushed, lava is gushing from the belly of the Earth, the seas have become too hot to sustain life, there are barely any places to take shelter in, nor is there any abundant shade ? it is a miserable, desolate place where there is only suffering, hardship, and pain. -----
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        The idea that there will be a -rapture- of the chosen people to escape from Earth, is a concept as found in some sectarian christian groups - it is not a concept that is main-stream among the peoples of the Book, it is not found in the Koran either.

        A second mistake in the article is the premise that every human being will enter Hell ? this way of reading verse 1971-72 is contradicting following verses

        21101 As for those who deserved good from Us, they will be removed far away from it.

        21102 They shall not hear the slightest sound from it, and they will be in what their person desires abiding therein.

        Rather the righteous believers will be kept apart from the Hell and will not even hear a sound of it.

        I have not read the article but I am in agreement since careful study shows that everyone will see hell prior to entering paradise. However just because you see hell and pass by it doesn't mean that you will experience the effects of hell If it is interpreted like this it will be consistent with the Quran.

        1971 Every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass. (this will occur on the day of resurrection)

        1972 Then We will save those who were righteous, and We leave the wicked in it on their knees.

        Also everyone will be resurrected ON EARTH...

        6913 When the horn is blown once.
        6914 The earth and the mountains will be removed from their place and crushed with a single crush.
        6915 On that day the unavoidable event will come to pass.
        6916 The heavens will be torn, and on that day it will be flimsy.

        1847 The day We move the mountains, and you see the earth barren, and We gather them, not leaving out anyone of them.

        When we are resurrected the righteous will be saved and the unrighteous will remain....

        1971 Every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass. (this will occur on the day of resurrection on earth)

        1972 Then We will save those who were righteous, and We leave the wicked in it on their knees.

        My interpretation On the day of resurrection, the righteous will be resurrected on earth and saved whilst the unrighteous will remain on earth(or what's left of it) This will be there hell since they choose not to acknowledge God's signs.

        A new heaven and earth will then be brought . Thus God will have eight universes....

        6917 The angels will be on its borders, and the throne of your Lord will be carried above them by eight. -edip/layth
        6917 The angels will be all around, and Your Lord's dominion will then encompass eight- Rashad Khalifa
        6917 and the angels at its ends, and, above them, eight will bear aloft on that Day the throne of thy Sustainer's almightiness - Muhammad Asad

        Please take into consideration that the Quran says that there are seven heavens (universes)

        6512 God who created seven heavens and the same number of earths. His command descends between them, that you may know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge.

        If there are eight heavens on the day of resurrection it would imply that a new heaven and earth is created and that the old one (which we were resurrected on) will still exist. It is my belief that this eighth universe will house the righteous. Hence the righteous shall inherit the NEW earth.

        1448 The day the earth is replaced with another earth, as are the heavens, and they will appear before God, the One, the Irresistible.

        Peace,

        Kevin.

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          And there is none amongst you people who will not reach her

          Salaam

          Agreed - this is in accordance with several translators on www.quranix.net.

          If one reads verses 1966 until 1970, than the conclusion might be that only a special group of people is adressed here.
          Verse 1966 mentions the doubters of the resurrection - actually the unbelieving people - the -kafiroon-.

          In this way of reading there is coherence with verses 21101 and 21102, which are rather about the believers.

          21101 As for those who deserved good from Us, they will be removed far away from it.

          21102 They shall not hear the slightest sound from it, and they will be in what their person desires abiding therein.

          Truthseeker

          Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.

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            I don't believe that the earth will be destroyed but it will be replaced.

            1448 The day the earth is replaced with another earth, as are the heavens, and they will appear before God, the One, the Irresistible.

            I have not read the article but I am in agreement since careful study shows that everyone will see hell prior to entering paradise. However just because you see hell and pass by it doesn't mean that you will experience the effects of hell If it is interpreted like this it will be consistent with the Quran.

            Also everyone will be resurrected ON EARTH...

            6913 When the horn is blown once.
            6914 The earth and the mountains will be removed from their place and crushed with a single crush.
            6915 On that day the unavoidable event will come to pass.
            6916 The heavens will be torn, and on that day it will be flimsy.

            1847 The day We move the mountains, and you see the earth barren, and We gather them, not leaving out anyone of them.

            When we are resurrected the righteous will be saved and the unrighteous will remain....

            1971 Every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass. (this will occur on the day of resurrection on earth)

            1972 Then We will save those who were righteous, and We leave the wicked in it on their knees.

            My interpretation On the day of resurrection, the righteous will be resurrected on earth and saved whilst the unrighteous will remain on earth(or what's left of it) This will be there hell since they choose not to acknowledge God's signs.

            A new heaven and earth will then be brought . Thus God will have eight universes....

            6917 The angels will be on its borders, and the throne of your Lord will be carried above them by eight. -edip/layth
            6917 The angels will be all around, and Your Lord's dominion will then encompass eight- Rashad Khalifa
            6917 and the angels at its ends, and, above them, eight will bear aloft on that Day the throne of thy Sustainer's almightiness - Muhammad Asad

            Please take into consideration that the Quran says that there are seven heavens (universes)

            6512 God who created seven heavens and the same number of earths. His command descends between them, that you may know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge.

            If there are eight heavens on the day of resurrection it would imply that a new heaven and earth is created and that the old one (which we were resurrected on) will still exist. It is my belief that this eighth universe will house the righteous. Hence the righteous shall inherit the NEW earth.

            1448 The day the earth is replaced with another earth, as are the heavens, and they will appear before God, the One, the Irresistible.

            Dear Kevin

            Vers 1448 can also be read as - the Earth will change into a new Earth.

            Muhammad Asad's translation
            1448 on the Day when the earth shall be changed into another earth, as shall be the heavens and when shall appear before God, the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists.

            This way of reading is compatible with for instance following verses

            3969 The earth will shine with the light of its Lord ?

            3974 They said, "Praise be to God who has fulfilled His promise to us, and He made us inherit the earth, enjoying Paradise as we please. What a beautiful recompense for the workers!"

            The Earth is mentioned in these verses - the Earth after a difficult period of earthquakes and other events, will be transformed into a place of the light of God and a Paradise connected with the Heavens - 5721.

            The people who are not allowed into Paradise will be in Hell (as long as the Creator decides - 6128, 11107) that will be brought near to Earth as verse 8923 indicates.

            8923 Hell on that day is brought. On that day the human being will remember, but how will the remembrance now help him?

            So it seems that it is not the Earth that is changed into a place of Hell, rather Hell is a place (or level) that already exists and is brought near to Earth.

            For now I do not agree that the fact that the Koran states that there are 7 Heavens and the same number of earths should lead to the conclusion that this Earth will be left as Hell. Rather this could indicate that there are more dimensions and other places in the universe where creatures of God may live.

            It seems to be compatible with the Koran to respect the Earth we live on in the best way - also as the place that will be transformed by the Light of God into Paradise - the place that will be inherited by the righteous.

            Salaam,
            Truthseeker

            Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.

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              I don?t believe that the earth will change into another earth since this would contradict with Sura 1972.

              1972 Then We will save those who were righteous, and We leave the wicked in it on their knees. ( The wicked are resurrected on earth and they will remain on earth)

              Remember that we will be resurrected ON EARTH. So if the unrighteous are left behind on earth it would imply that this current earth will house the unrighteous. This universe will become hell which is what may happen on the day of resurrection.

              The following verse?
              8923 Hell on that day is brought. On that day the human being will remember, but how will the remembrance now help him?

              This above verse doesn?t necessarily mean that hell already exists NOW. It can also mean that hell will occur on the day of resurrection. Two separate interpretations can be concluded from this verse and not just one. Try to be a bit boarder in your interpretations. Remember that chaos is hell. Chaos is what will occur on the Day of Resurrection. Hence it is in context with what the Quran says ? Every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass.? . Remember that we will see or pass by hell which will only occur when we are resurrected.

              Also don?t forget Sura 6917 ( there will be eight universes and not seven) This will imply a new heaven and earth. And since there will be a new heaven and earth what do you think will happen with this one which the unrighteous will remain in??

              At any rate, these are just my interpretations. I can be wrong but it really shouldn't matter who's right and who's wrong since topics like this play very little importance when compared to ?the big picture? of the Quran (which is to worship and serve only one God and not to create partners) God is not going to punish us just because we interpret some of the verses in the Quran incorrectly. What he will punish us for is when we willingly hide and twist his verses and pursue our religion without sincerity. May God guide us both and all those who seek wisdom.

              Peace,

              Kevin

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                I don?t believe that the earth will change into another earth since this would contradict with Sura 1972.

                1972 Then We will save those who were righteous, and We leave the wicked in it on their knees. ( The wicked are resurrected on earth and they will remain on earth)

                Remember that we will be resurrected ON EARTH. So if the unrighteous are left behind on earth it would imply that this current earth will house the unrighteous. This universe will become hell which is what may happen on the day of resurrection.

                Also don?t forget Sura 6917 ( there will be eight universes and not seven) This will imply a new heaven and earth. And since there will be a new heaven and earth what do you think will happen with this one which the unrighteous will remain in??

                If you check on http//corpus.quran.com, there you can see that the translation of Muhammad Asad of verse 1448 seems to be the most accurate, the word -tubadallu- means to change, not to exchange and not to substitute.

                1448 on the Day when the earth shall be changed into another earth, as shall be the heavens and when shall appear before God, the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists.

                Verse 6917 can have multiple meanings, anyway the verse does not say that the believers will go from Earth to another one.
                The multiple heavens can be multiple universes or dimensions.
                Verse 3969 states the Earth will shine with the light of its Lord ?, so the Earth will be raised onto a higher level of existence - together with those people who will inherit the Earth - 3974.
                The wording -inherit- is informative, one can only inherit something that is already existing. This supports the point of view that the existing Earth will change into a Paradise and will not be exchanged.

                Verse 1972 seems to adress only a special group of people - the doubters of the resurrection. Verses 1966 until 1970 give this context. Only those will be brought near the border of hell - by passing by it.

                Verses 735 until 750 give more comprehensive information.
                Verse 736 states that the rejecters of the signs - not all human beings- will go into the fire.
                Verse 738 confirms that only a special group of people will enter the fire.
                Verse 746 informs that there will be a group of people who are on the -araf-, who are between Hell and Heaven, possibly verse 1972 refers to this place between Hell and Heaven. Only the wicked of them will go into Hell according to verse 1972, according to verse 749 the people of the -araf- will enter the Garden.

                I do not know of any verse that states that the righteous people will be taken away from Earth.
                Neither can I find a verse that supports the point of view that Hell is on Earth or that Earth will change into a Hell.
                Verse 1847 is translated in different ways - the Earth will be barren is not the only possible translation.

                • The Earth will be a leveled plain, the mountains have vanished - http//corpus.quran.com.

                The following verse?
                8923 Hell on that day is brought. On that day the human being will remember, but how will the remembrance now help him?

                This above verse doesn?t necessarily mean that hell already exists NOW. It can also mean that hell will occur on the day of resurrection. Two separate interpretations can be concluded from this verse and not just one. Try to be a bit boarder in your interpretations. Remember that chaos is hell. Chaos is what will occur on the Day of Resurrection. Hence it is in context with what the Quran says ? Every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass.? . Remember that we will see or pass by hell which will only occur when we are resurrected.

                3131 Be aware of the fire that has been prepared for the ingrates.

                From this verse we can learn that Hell has already been made - so it can be brought near to the people on Earth during the Day of Judgement - 8923.
                Verse 8924 informs us that the Hell is brought near to a special group of people - the ones who did not prepare for the Day of Judgement.

                21101 behold, as for those for whom ultimate good has already gone forth from Us these will be kept far away from that
                21102 no sound thereof will they hear; and they will abide in all that their souls have ever desired.

                My main-point is to show that the idea that Earth will be turned into the place of Hell is not compatible with verses of the Koran. This negative attitude towards Earth could lead to conscious or sub-conscious contempt of the precious creation we live on.
                According to the Koran the Earth has a very bright future, human beings have to take care of her in the best way.

                Salaam,
                Truthseeker

                Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.

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