Everything is of Us.

unknownuser

The He who has any right to say that is not bound to law.

Paradox_Uncreated

Any I, is the Lord of creation

New-age philosophies may include elements of this. But as far as I know, they also mix it with other things, which are more or less unrelated.

We are the eternal paradox, behind creation.

And that paradox points not necessarily to what is typically expressed as allknowing.
Allknowing means knowing all, which might include offensive things.
Therefore there is an even higher truth behind it, and that is our own innocence. THAT is the nature of God.

To express it becomes poetry. And so I can say "If I willed, I could create another universe". But typically that wont happen. Equally correct is that I could create away people who doubt me, and that is far more likely to happen. So you would never know anyway. Why should God need to prove anything to you. Or himself for that matter, which becomes even more absurd. And you are me, and everyone is this paradox. Even the life in trees, animals. And scientists have made claims about nonbiological life in the universe,and so God would be its basis aswell.

unknownuser

Strong point, strong point.

Paradox indeed.

But still, it is beyond paradox.

The sea cannot be caught with a net, only fish can.

Paradox_Uncreated

Beyond paradox.. innocence

Religion - The Prequel.

The innocent existed eternally without dimensions. Then it created the world, and still creates the world.
And it was and is the lifeforce, in all it`s created bodies, humans animals, trees, and other things. The innocent believed in many things, some of which sent it to great distress. Others which sent to heavenly places. It wrote down these experiences, and formed the religions of the world. In the end it found out it was just best to be itself.

sun

KDC501

Beyond paradox.. innocence

Religion - The Prequel.

The innocent existed eternally without dimensions. Then it created the world, and still creates the world.
And it was and is the lifeforce, in all it`s created bodies, humans animals, trees, and other things. The innocent believed in many things, some of which sent it to great distress. Others which sent to heavenly places. It wrote down these experiences, and formed the religions of the world. In the end it found out it was just best to be itself.

sun

You sound a lot like Paul of Tarsus. I notice that in your signature you said "We created everything" . How did "we" create anything when "we" ourselves are created.

7191 Do they set up those who do not create anything, while they are created?

1620 As for those they call on besides God, they do not create anything, but are themselves created!

I would advise you stop philosophizing irrationally if you intend to be guided. You sound a lot like 'Paul of Tarsus' who philosophized a lot about Christianity and lead others astray by it.

Peace,

Kevin

unknownuser

Humans do not create.

Humans dance with shapes.

Who moulds the clay? Is there reality outside of you? More precisely, is there any truth beyond Al-Haqq?

Paradox_Uncreated

"GOD" corresponds to what we are.

Paradox_Uncreated

Which reminds me of something else, and why a wellbehaved democracy and freedom of religion is good.

Because someone always takes the role of thought-police. You cant say this you cant think that.

Sooner or later you end up with idiocy like hadithism or the equvivalent.

Therefore it`s very nice to know that ones mind is divine (329) And so can be free in ones thinking.
And those who posess high intelligence, can go to that level of faith, without being bogged down by mainstream thinking. Such as... hadithism, trinity... which are probably for the same reasons as why windows is more popular than the better and free linux. And other similar things.

So to me my religion, and to them their religion. And must any oppressor of this be fiercely dealt with.

unknownuser

The mind has no limits and the truth is a book that any can read.

Our fears limit the range of our perception of what is essentially our self-writing autobiography.

Paradox_Uncreated

Sooner or later I guess one will run into this philosophy that the limited must be created/governed by the unlimited. And that the mind is not a machine. One cannot script/program feelings. So religion and it`s esoteric aspects make great sense.

And the unlimited is this nonmachine, the paradox.

And to understand what this paradox really is, one must look at one self.

The paradox will always correspond to everything we are.

Paradox_Uncreated

It is really quite absurd that some think that consciousness follows the universe. A non-intelligence, an object. When ofcourse the universe, follows consciousness.

Everything is according to our will.
Everything follows our will.
Everything follows us.

the_path_of_light

Peace, Paradox Uncreated.

You mentioned something about when you started to "doubt pantheism." By this, do you mean that you used to look at matter as "being alive," and now you don't?

Also, I really love your commentary about the thought police.

Paradox_Uncreated

Peace, the path of light.

Yes, the thought police would really like to limit people. When indeed we are the unlimited.

I can`t really remember anymore path of light. I used to look up to Rumi, and some other sufis for a while.

the_path_of_light

Either way, this thread has helped me to properly explai

I have been meditating for a few years, due to coming to know errors in the mystical path, which made me feel neccesary to correct myself, and start meditating on things I found to be true.

This started when I started doubting sufi teachings, and pantheism a few years back. I researched my religion, and discovered that it was highly probable that only consciousness was god, and not everything. And since consciousness always is God, there is no external god to "become one with", and so this doctrine can be rejected aswell. Consciousness always was and is, and will be God. Immaterial. Selfsufficient. And all the divine qualities we know. Judge of heaven and hell.

I found that meditating on various qualities had particular usefulness against spirits. You can read about these on signature link.

No doubt sufis have also to a great degree perfected their thought. And what I seem to be reaching in the end, resembles it.

However there is a small difference, and that is the word "of"

Everything is OF us. (not everything is us)

Several years in meditating, and just a word difference. But correctness is correctness. And I believe this little difference is of great importance.

I just thought I`d make a post about that.

This makes something clear to me, and that is what many traditions deem the so-called illusory nature of matter. I feel like I understand what they mean, but I prefer different vocabulary. I prefer to refer to matter as being ephemeral, because it is not eternal. But consciousness is.

Paradox Uncreated, whether or not that is what you were getting at, your thread has helped me to unravel a riddle that was in my head. Consciousness is God, while matter is of God. That is very interesting. I appreciate your posts. Peace.

Paradox_Uncreated

Happy to be of help.

Peace.

the_path_of_light