QA is conservative, Sunnis are liberal
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I typed a long explanation to this.. but somehow the forum crashes when I click post.. Grrr..
And now I'm too lazy to retype again..
But the short answer is
- I find many wisdoms within the teaching of Jesus as told by the Synoptic Gospel (Matt, Mark and Luke), I have many agreement on what Jesus said on those gospels and it does functioned as revelation to me.
- I have many disagreement with the "Gospel according to John" and I can detect a strong influence of 'mystery religion' and Hellenism within that specific Gospel.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Religion - Is there any mistake within Matt, Mark and Luke? perhaps yes, but it's irrelevant..
Salam / Peace
LOL! I think the short version is good also!
I agree with you in finding wisdom in older scriptures, especially the bible. The truth of the matter there is absolutely no reference in the Quran that the NT is corrupt. I have done alot of research since posting this thread, slept maybe an hour last night........As a QA I do not find this a problem (accepting NT as a hadith of Jesus, not lack of sleep). Muhammed hadith it is considered as religious info but not divine words, so are the older scriptures.
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LOL! I think the short version is good also!
I agree with you in finding wisdom in older scriptures, especially the bible. The truth of the matter there is absolutely no reference in the Quran that the NT is corrupt. I have done alot of research since posting this thread, slept maybe an hour last night........As a QA I do not find this a problem (accepting NT as a hadith of Jesus, not lack of sleep). Muhammed hadith it is considered as religious info but not divine words, so are the older scriptures.
Bro Emil,
Actually I was explaining this in my last post... (which I failed to post).. ))
Quran never use the word "New Testament".. it use the word "Enjeel" which perhaps came from "Euangelion", a greek word where Eu=Good Angelion=Message or it can also be "Good News" or "Glad Tidings".
Quran refer to a christian as "Nashara", which refer to a sect called "Nazarenes". (I think there's already a discussion somewhere in this forum on this). The Nazarenes were infact a 'messianic jewish' a.k.a 'jewish christians'. And not the 'catholics', 'orthodox' or 'coptic' christians commonly referred as 'gentile christians'.
The Nazarenes never see Jesus as "bringing a new commandment / testament", yet it was a 'continuation' and a 'firm assertion' of the past commandments and God's promise, plus a 'correction' of the 'common understanding' regarding the commandments.
As such; they continue to follow Mosaic Law (Ten Commandments, Sabbath, No Pork etc..)
"Sabbath was made for men and not men for Sabbath"
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Nevim; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Some infamous quotation from Jesus as an example of what I'm talking above.The NT is a volume of books which contain 4 gospels and other materials.
Again I recommend to not judging the volume, yet each of the individual books within the volume.Another question being popped out might be;
The official NT contains 4 while there are many other version of Gospels which were not included in the official bundle.
As such if there are many gospels, which 'gospel' is it that is being mentioned in the Quran?
Or to further refining the question Which gospel were actually being used by the nazarenes?My best bet it is the "Euangelion according to Mattiyahu" a.k.a "The Gospel According To Matthew", since it is the ONLY gospel which were originally written in Hebrew (allegedly) by Mattiyahu.
And not until 14th century, somebody manage to find the "Hebrew Matthew".
http//www.torahresource.com/Dutillet.htmlNevertheless it doesn't really mean that "Gospel according to Matthew" IS the "Truest" Gospel.
After further investigation there are lot of similarities between 3 gospels (Mark, Matthew Luke) and that's why it's being grouped as "Synoptic".
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_GospelsWhich bring up a 'hypothesis' of 'another missing version of the Gospel' called "Q" (due to the lack of better name as the gospel itself are still unknown).
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_sourceThe hypothesis is Luke and Matthew derived the content of their gospel from two sources; Gospel of Mark and 'the missing Gospel'.
Again I say this again t hat I have a lot of problems with "Gospel according to John", it is so Hellenistic...
Summary
- I recommend to not judge the whole volume of NT, yet each of the individual books..
- The volume of books called "NT" most probably does not even exist within the "Nazarenes" communities, most probably they only use "Gospel according to Matthew" in Hebrew.
- Making a reference of "Enjeel" in the Quran as "New Testament Bible" is incorrect.
- Even in the "Gospel according to Matthew" alone I could find a lot of "divine wisdom" being taught within, and that's actually what matter the most.
Salam / Peace
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Peace everyone!
The problem with the NT is that most of it is actually Not by Jesus, but are infact paul's own experiances etc. Paul was NOT a prophet, and to my knowledge never even meet jesus in the humaninly form.
I Think the Guidance & light (mentioned in the Quran) that comes out of the Gospels is Jesus's Parables & acts, and experiance with the children of Israel. (e.g Love one another, Arrogance leads to being debased, Sinners can repent & reform etc)
Again Jesus was sent with the Gospels, I.e The Good news I.e His Supreme Majesty's Kingdom to come! -
I found this on youtube which I find quite interesting. Dr Naik indirectly recognises the NT by referring to it. It is funny because when I did ask the "hadith Jesus" question on the sunni forum the Joe Doe sunni actually gave a similar answer as dr Naik, but without giving Quranic reference. HOWEVER the "SCHOLARS" started screaming about NT being corrupt, taking away the focus on Quran.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPDahgIh-0&sns=em -
I found this on youtube which I find quite interesting. Dr Naik indirectly recognises the NT by referring to it. It is funny because when I did ask the "hadith Jesus" question on the sunni forum the Joe Doe sunni actually gave a similar answer as dr Naik, but without giving Quranic reference. HOWEVER the "SCHOLARS" started screaming about NT being corrupt, taking away the focus on Quran.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPDahgIh-0&sns=emOMG that Zakir idiot just insist on showing his lack of reasoning again and again. First he use the bible to show that muslims follow Jesus but he insists that he does not believe in the Bible because its been corrupted.
I recommend to read his answer to christians about why they should not eat pork http//islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htmNotice where he says The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. It feels no jealousy. And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.
As a swedish resident and considering that I was born in Sweden, I find this statement of his incredibly insulting on the behalf of my people. Eating pork is very common in Sweden but NONE of my swedish friends who eat pork practise wife swapping, as this idiot falsly claims.
As I would say again, Zakir Naik is a retarded and hypocritical personality. Dont take his words serious ESPECIALLY NOT when he talks about Christianity.
Peace
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Notice where he says The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. It feels no jealousy. And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.
As a swedish resident and considering that I was born in Sweden, I find this statement of his incredibly insulting on the behalf of my people. Eating pork is very common in Sweden but NONE of my swedish friends who eat pork practise wife swapping, as this idiot falsly claims.
As I would say again, Zakir Naik is a retarded and hypocritical personality. Dont take his words serious ESPECIALLY NOT when he talks about Christianity.
According to Mr Naik, the behavior of those animals that we ate shall influence our behavior as well..
In other words; we can blame those animals that we ate for our behavior.Great... better introduce Mr Naik to Silvio Berlusconi, he can make a great use (read excuse) out of this idea.
Salam / Peace
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I found this on youtube which I find quite interesting. Dr Naik indirectly recognises the NT by referring to it. It is funny because when I did ask the "hadith Jesus" question on the sunni forum the Joe Doe sunni actually gave a similar answer as dr Naik, but without giving Quranic reference. HOWEVER the "SCHOLARS" started screaming about NT being corrupt, taking away the focus on Quran.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPDahgIh-0&sns=emIts really an interesting Video. A Great Find.
I'm surprise there's plenty of Sunnis, Follows the Bible, at the same time Reject it!
Quran 349, 616 do not forbid message convey by Jesus, be use by other people, Only the "Bible" forbids it.
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OMG that Zakir idiot just insist on showing his lack of reasoning again and again. First he use the bible to show that muslims follow Jesus but he insists that he does not believe in the Bible because its been corrupted.
I recommend to read his answer to christians about why they should not eat pork http//islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htmNotice where he says The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. It feels no jealousy. And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.
As a swedish resident and considering that I was born in Sweden, I find this statement of his incredibly insulting on the behalf of my people. Eating pork is very common in Sweden but NONE of my swedish friends who eat pork practise wife swapping, as this idiot falsly claims.
As I would say again, Zakir Naik is a retarded and hypocritical personality. Dont take his words serious ESPECIALLY NOT when he talks about Christianity.
Peace
Salaam
Dr Naik goes from high to low, I can't really get a grip on him. He says the most idiotic things and then he says very good things. In case of the hadith Jesus he forgot to mention sura 2191 and 1921 which says profet Jesus is for mankind....
However, check on youtube the QandA he did via satellite after he was not granted a visa to Britain. It is called Oxford something.
If the pig is shameless rotfl
Did you hear when the swine-flu was spreading, the only pig in Afghanistan (kept in a zoo) had to have armed protection to save it from being lynched?
According to Mr Naik, the behavior of those animals that we ate shall influence our behavior as well..
In other words; we can blame those animals that we ate for our behavior.Great... better introduce Mr Naik to Silvio Berlusconi, he can make a great use (read excuse) out of this idea.
Salam / Peace
What animal acts like a 12 year old eventhough it is an adult? I need to know so I can eat it.
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As a swedish resident and considering that I was born in Sweden, I find this statement of his incredibly insulting on the behalf of my people. Eating pork is very common in Sweden but NONE of my swedish friends who eat pork practise wife swapping, as this idiot falsly claims.
Ah sister come one. You know we run around the forest naked and dance around a giant fellatio symbol >D
"Ah, you wanna do some wife swapping? Wait, gotta eat some falukorv so I don't get jealous."
How to stay monogamous? Eat a swan
How to stay clever? Eat an owl
How to get good eyesight? Eat a zebra.....Wait that only works in Swedish Ze-bra (See-good). -
Ah sister come one. You know we run around the forest naked and dance around a giant fellatio symbol >D
"Ah, you wanna do some wife swapping? Wait, gotta eat some falukorv so I don't get jealous."
How to stay monogamous? Eat a swan
How to stay clever? Eat an owl
How to get good eyesight? Eat a zebra.....Wait that only works in Swedish Ze-bra (See-good).Mycket bra Emil. I just told one of my swedish friend about what Zakir Naik just said and he laughed and said ''Tell mr. Zaik that if eating pork cause wife-swapping in Sweden, than perhaps the muslims in India have husband-swapping(polygyny) because they eat a lot of chicken'' rotfl rotfl
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Mycket bra Emil. I just told one of my swedish friend about what Zakir Naik just said and he laughed and said ''Tell mr. Zaik that if eating pork cause wife-swapping in Sweden, than perhaps the muslims in India have husband-swapping(polygyny) because they eat a lot of chicken'' rotfl rotfl
I do not accept the Hadith of "infliction of animal behavior by eating them" because I have no Scientific Evidence! ignore