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etymology of the Quranic word "millat"

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    Mansoor_Ahmad
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    I am searching the etymology of the word millat as in Quran millat e Ibrahim and the difference of meaning with the word 'Deen" as in DEEN Islam.
    regards
    Mansoor

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      I am searching the etymology of the word millat as in Quran millat e Ibrahim and the difference of meaning with the word 'Deen" as in DEEN Islam.
      regards
      Mansoor

      Millah in ancient semitic language including Hebrew and Aramaic means 'commands/commandment' , 'matter' (of discourse), words, teaching.

      While Diyn in ancient semitic language including Hebrew and Aramaic means 'judgement', 'opinion', 'attitude'.

      "Deen Al-Islam" mean Surrendered To God's Judgement. (Whatever will be will be, God knows what's best for me)

      This is the 'common attitude/character' shown by all of the God's prophet and messengers as shown in the Tanakh, Gospel and Quran.

      For example

      "Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."
      -- Jesus prayer on Gethsemane Mark 1435

      "Let Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven ".
      -- Jesus prayer, commonly refered as "Lord's prayer", "Pater Noster", "Abwon D Bishmaya", christians all over the world know this prayer by heart. A striking evidence to prove that Jesus teaches islam (but not sunnism)

      Salam / Peace

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        R_H_-Ustahi
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        Thank you Jafar for your response.

        i am grateful.

        Peace,
        R.

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          Inna addeena AAinda Allahi al-islamu wama ikhtalafa allatheena ootoo alkitaba illa min baAAdi ma jaahumu alAAilmu baghyan baynahum waman yakfur bi-ayati Allahi fa-inna Allaha sareeAAu alhisab

          Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in account.

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            I am searching the etymology of the word millat as in Quran millat e Ibrahim and the difference of meaning with the word 'Deen" as in DEEN Islam.
            regards
            Mansoor

            Hi
            Millat is the singular for Mawali

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            I feared the militants after me ...

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            To all we made kins for what left the heirs and kin...

            it has the meaning of FAMILY , KIN, KIND etc... To me the closest is Militant or Party when it is global, as followers, like in the case of Ibraheem

            asFor deen , it means there are two words in the quran , DAYN when it comes to owing something , wich translated DUE , and when it comes to an obligation of life, it is DUTY

            to me
            Milata = Militants
            Deen = Duty

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              Millah in Hebrew Scriptures

              Daniel 21-10

              And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.

              Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.

              And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.

              Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation.

              The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, MILLAH is gone from me if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill.

              But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof.

              They answered again and said, Let the king tell his servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation of it.
              The king answered and said, I know of certainty that ye would gain the time, because ye see MILLAH is gone from me.

              But if ye will not make known unto me the dream one decree for you for ye have prepared lying and corrupt MILLAH to speak before me, till the time be changed therefore tell me the dream and I shall know that ye can shew me the interpretation

              The Chaldeans answered before the king and said , There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king's MILLAH therefore no king lord nor ruler asked such MILLAH at any magician or astrologer or Chaldean.

              Dyn in Hebrew Scriptures

              Daniel 710
              A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him DYN was set, and the books were opened.

              Daniel 721-28
              I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
              Until the Ancient of days came, and DYN was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
              Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
              And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
              And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
              But the DYN shall stand, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
              And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
              Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me but I kept the matter in my heart.
              -- quotation end --

              Another form of DYN which is DAYN in Hebrew and Aramaic means "The Judge" or "Those who passes Judgement".
              The meanings of infamous Israeli general name; "Moshe DAYAN" is actually "Moses (Is) The Judge".

              In (current common) arabic dialect it's the same as Musa Al-Hakeem, although 'Hakeem' actually mean 'wise'. As it was usually 'wise' people who passes judgment according to the 'hukm' (Wisdom/Law).

              Just some 'food for your thought'..

              I tend to agree with somebody (whom I forgotten the name) which hypothesized that the arabic dialect being used in Quran is more of 'northern arabic' and very very close to Aramaic. Because some words makes more sense if it's being deciphered / interpreted as aramaic.

              Salam / Peace

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                Millat is the singular for Mawali

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                I feared the militants after me ...

                • 33 -

                To all we made kins for what left the heirs and kin...

                it has the meaning of FAMILY , KIN, KIND etc... To me the closest is Militant or Party when it is global, as followers, like in the case of Ibraheem

                Both these words have no relationship with each other. They emanate from different Roots.

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