The Search for Muhammad has Ended

Layth

Dear Pazuzu,

You know very well that none here care what the Jews say/write...We are followers of the Quran as our source of law.

You speak against Jewish history (which I may or may not agree with you), but then you turn around and start inventing your own history which may be just as bad - Abraham came from Yemen!

Here is what my authentic history (Quran) tells me

Abraham left his people and emigrated to the land whuch God had blessed;
Lot was from Abraham's progeny and emigrated with him;
Abraham and Ismail raised the foundations of the Temple;
Abraham called people to pilgrimage to the Temple;
Abraham's progeny resided in a valley not far from the location of the Temple;
Lot's people were destroyed by Angels and the town was left as a sign for people;
Jacob had 12 sons and one of those sons became a minister in Egypt and moved all the sons of Jacob there;
Moses was sent to resucue the children of Jacob from Egypt;
Moses was supposed to settle in the blessed land - but due to the disobediance of the tribe, they were blocked from it for 40 years;
David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israe;
The location of this kingdom was not in the holy land, as Solomon used to send the winds there, but was near Sheba;
Jesus (and others before him) were sent to follow in the footsteps of Abraham;
Mohammed came to follow in the same footsteps;
God names the holy land "Baca" and says that the station of Abraham is inside the Temple;
Mohammed liberated the holy land before his death;
The Children of Israel , during their 2nd rise, will occupy the holy land as prophecsized in suran 17.

Now, which place was it that Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed all highlighted as being "holy", and which place do all the faiths in one form or another agree that pilgrimage was towards?

The answer is a place that is "known" and "revered" by all the faiths - else the whole point of calling mankind to the pilgrimage is missed!

I can tell you - that place is not Yemen.

KDC501

Dear Pazuzu,

You know very well that none here care what the Jews say/write...We are followers of the Quran as our source of law.

You speak against Jewish history (which I may or may not agree with you), but then you turn around and start inventing your own history which may be just as bad - Abraham came from Yemen!

Here is what my authentic history (Quran) tells me

Abraham left his people and emigrated to the land whuch God had blessed;
Lot was from Abraham's progeny and emigrated with him;
Abraham and Ismail raised the foundations of the Temple;
Abraham called people to pilgrimage to the Temple;
Abraham's progeny resided in a valley not far from the location of the Temple;
Lot's people were destroyed by Angels and the town was left as a sign for people;
Jacob had 12 sons and one of those sons became a minister in Egypt and moved all the sons of Jacob there;
Moses was sent to resucue the children of Jacob from Egypt;
Moses was supposed to settle in the blessed land - but due to the disobediance of the tribe, they were blocked from it for 40 years;
David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israe;
The location of this kingdom was not in the holy land, as Solomon used to send the winds there, but was near Sheba;
Jesus (and others before him) were sent to follow in the footsteps of Abraham;
Mohammed came to follow in the same footsteps;
God names the holy land "Baca" and says that the station of Abraham is inside the Temple;
Mohammed liberated the holy land before his death;
The Children of Israel , during their 2nd rise, will occupy the holy land as prophecsized in suran 17.

Now, which place was it that Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed all highlighted as being "holy", and which place do all the faiths in one form or another agree that pilgrimage was towards?

The answer is a place that is "known" and "revered" by all the faiths - else the whole point of calling mankind to the pilgrimage is missed!

I can tell you - that place is not Yemen.

I agree. All the signs in the Quran point to Jerusalem as the Holy temple. There are also other archeology evidences like the fact that the earliest mosques faced Jerusalem and not the current Mecca.

Peace,

Kevin.

unknownuser

I can tell you - that place is not Yemen.

And I will tell you now that it is. And soon, the pile of evidence I will stack in front of you will be so tall, that your jaw will drop.

You just have no idea what you're gonna get.

Let me make some comments on what you said

Abraham left his people and emigrated to the land whuch God had blessed;
Lot was from Abraham's progeny and emigrated with him;
Abraham and Ismail raised the foundations of the Temple;
Abraham called people to pilgrimage to the Temple;
Abraham's progeny resided in a valley not far from the location of the Temple

Yes, the land that God has blessed. Have you ever asked yourself WHY the land was blessed?? In spite of the overwhelming evidence I have shown you since the begining of this thread that Palestine was an irrelevant strip of land, you insist to ascribe "blessedness" and "holliness" to it.

Which land was it that was known, in the ancient times, as harboring all the trade routes, where caravans would carry insense, mirrh, and spices all the way from the Yemeni coast, northwards to the Levant? Which land was it that was blessed with all the mineral resources (iron and gold deposits) that was the envy of the Egyptians and the Assyrians? Was it Palestine?
Have you ever asked yourself why the ancient Greek and Roman sailors and gerographers referred to that land as "Arabia Felix"? DO you know what the word "Felix" means? It means "Happy".. They called it "Happy Arabia" because it contained fabulous riches that Palestine could only dream of. Which sounds more like a blessed land? you tell me?

Yemen is the source of it all. And soon, this truth will shine in front of your eyes like the sun.

Lot's people were destroyed by Angels and the town was left as a sign for people;

They were not destroyed by "Angels". They were destroyed by "Malai'ka". Big difference. And God tells us that the Malai'ka are universal forces that have various powers and ranks, with jobs assigned to them by God. ANd one of those jobs is to cause natural disasters in certain places. The town of Lot was destroyed by a volcanic erruption which rained down on them rocks of molten Lava. These rocks are ejected from within the Earth at temperatures of 1,500 degrees Celsius. When they come in contact with a human being, they will suck all the mositure from the body in seconds, leaving a dried husk that resemlbles the empty sheath of grain blades. This is EXACTLY what the Quran tells you. The Torah itself, despite the blatant corruption in its translations, cleary says that Soddom and Ghomorra were destroyed by a rain of FIRE AND SULFUR. Please go look it up. Is there anything in this world that spews forth fire and sulfur other than a volcanic eruption? So where did this event take place? You are making it clear that God left the town as a sign for all the people to see it and reflect. Well, care to tell me where it is? Archeologists have searched every square inch of the Dead Sea, and have found NOTHING there. So who are you kidding? Furthermore. I defy you to show me evidence of volcanoes in Jordan or Palestine. On the other hand, Arabia is FULL of volcanic peaks, which explains the strikingly dark color of the rocks there. Furthermore, 80% of all volcanoes in Arabia happen to be in Yemen. Coincidence? Google "Volcanoes in Arabia" if you don't believe me.

Jacob had 12 sons and one of those sons became a minister in Egypt and moved all the sons of Jacob there;
Moses was sent to resucue the children of Jacob from Egypt;
Moses was supposed to settle in the blessed land - but due to the disobediance of the tribe, they were blocked from it for 40 years;

By insisting that they were in Egypt, you are still advertising Jewish merchandise. DOes the Quran tell you they were in Egypt? Show me a verse in the Quran that says they were in Egypt. I defy you.

The next part of my post will put this "Egypt" theory to rest for good, and then we will see who is misguided.

David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israel.

True. They established a united kingdom for all the tribes, in Yemen, and sharing borders with Sheba.

The location of this kingdom was not in the holy land, as Solomon used to send the winds there, but was near Sheba;

You still insist that Palestine was the "holy land". I am telling you now that it is NOT. The Holy land is also in Arabia, but slightly further north, in the region of Asir, in Southern Saudi Arabia.

God names the holy land "Baca" and says that the station of Abraham is inside the Temple

Exactly. The Valley of Baca. But this valey is NOT in Palestine.

Mohammed liberated the holy land before his death;

Muhamad lived, preached, and died in Arabia. He never set foot outside it.

The Children of Israel , during their 2nd rise, will occupy the holy land as prophecsized in suran 17.

Congratulations! you have just issued a title of ownership of Palestine for the Zionists. Not only this, but you have made a mockery out of hostory itself. You think the European Jews who live (nay...OCCUPY) Palestine today have anything remotely to do with Bani Israel? Do you any idea how insane that claim is? The Jews occupying Palestine today are Europeans and Khazars. The yhave NOTHING to do with Bani Israel whatsoever.

Once you see the glaring evidence that Bani Israel were nothing but ANCIENT TRIBES of Yemen who migrated northwards and westwards towards the lush mountain oasises, over a period of many centuries, you will understand the truth. Once you realize that Judaism was born in YEMEN, NOT IN PALESTINE (a fact which the Jews of Yemen today know to be the truth), you will understand the fallacy of what you have been taught as the truth. Once you understand that YEMEN was the source of all Semitic migrations northwards, not the other way around, as the Zionist version of history claims, you will then see the light and realize that you are wrong.

Now, which place was it that Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed all highlighted as being "holy", and which place do all the faiths in one form or another agree that pilgrimage was towards?

NOT PALESTINE, AND CERTAINLY NOT MECCA EITHER. Please be satisfied with this answer for now.

Peace... Will be out for the weekend.

Mazhar

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David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israel.

True. They established a united kingdom for all the tribes, in Yemen, and sharing borders with Sheba.

Was it the location of Yemen?

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/020.%20Ta%20ha/20.80c.gif
"O you the posterity of Israel! We have in the recent past delivered/rescued you from your enemy

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/020.%20Ta%20ha/20.80d.gif
and We have appointed for you a period on the right side of At-Tur ;

2277-81

loxbox13

Was it the location of Yemen?

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/020.%20Ta%20ha/20.80c.gif
"O you the posterity of Israel! We have in the recent past delivered/rescued you from your enemy

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/020.%20Ta%20ha/20.80d.gif
and We have appointed for you a period on the right side of At-Tur ;

2277-81

Can u explain please why At-Tur is mount Sinai ?

Jafar

Peace Pazuzu..

I would like to highlight some of the possible 'fallacies' on your description...

Yes, the land that God has blessed. Have you ever asked yourself WHY the land was blessed?? In spite of the overwhelming evidence I have shown you since the begining of this thread that Palestine was an irrelevant strip of land, you insist to ascribe "blessedness" and "holliness" to it.

I'm assuming you're refering to his verse..?
396. The first House appointed for men is the one which at Bakka
Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings

There was and IS a place called Bakka, and iti is in Lebanon (and not Yemen)
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekaa_Valley

In it contained a magnificent monument and structures which puzzled many archeologist..
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek

Some archeological findings on Baalbek
"The history of settlement in the area of Baalbek dates back about 9000 years, with almost continual settlement of the tell under the Temple of Jupiter, which was probably a temple since the pre-Hellenistic era"
"Italian archeologist put the date for Baalbek from the PPNB neolithic (8700 BC) to the Iron Age. They include several sherds of pottery including a teapot spout, evident to date back to the early bronze age."
"excavations under the roman flagstones in the Great Court unearthed three skeletons and a fragment of Persian pottery dated to around 550-330 BC. "

You should resolve the above questions
Which land was it that was known, in the ancient times, as harboring all the trade routes, where caravans would carry insense, mirrh, and spices all the way from the Yemeni coast, northwards to the Levant? Which land was it that was blessed with all the mineral resources (iron and gold deposits) that was the envy of the Egyptians and the Assyrians? Was it Palestine?

Of course it was not Palestine, yet I believe it was not Yemen either.

Much of the gold, spices, tea, silk, smooth porcelains, incense and myrrh were actually imported from a region which is now being called as India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China.

And specifically for Gold, Sumatra one of the island within an area being called now as "Indonesia" had an ancient name of "Svarna-Dvipa" where Svarna = Gold and Dvipa = Island in sanskit. It was one of the main source of gold in ancient time.

The route for trade toward 'europe' was famously known as the 'the silk road'. There are two routes available; the maritime route, which passes along southern area of Arab peninsula, an area which is now known as "Yemen", and the 'overland route' which passes through Persia, Mesopotamia, and goes to Syria and the seaports in the Levant especially Lebanon.. where the goods were then carried by the Phoenicians (Lebanon's native people) to places around Mediterranean sea.

The statement of 'southern coast of Arabia' harboring ALL of the trade routes is incorrect..
As there are also 'overland route' which did not pass through 'southern coast of Arabia'.

And if you put the criteria of "blessed with all the mineral resources" as one of the main criteria for "Holy Land" and/or location of 'Muhammad, Abraham' etc..
Then I believe India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China are more suitable candidates.

Is there anything in this world that spews forth fire and sulfur other than a volcanic eruption?
So where did this event take place? You are making it clear that God left the town as a sign for all the people to see it and reflect. Well, care to tell me where it is? Archeologists have searched every square inch of the Dead Sea, and have found NOTHING there. So who are you kidding? Furthermore. I defy you to show me evidence of volcanoes in Jordan or Palestine. On the other hand, Arabia is FULL of volcanic peaks, which explains the strikingly dark color of the rocks there. Furthermore, 80% of all volcanoes in Arabia happen to be in Yemen. Coincidence?

Incorrect, there are only few volcanoes in Yemen and it situated around south western part of Yemen (near Sana'a)..

-Ethiophia has much more volcanoes than Yemen.
-Saudi Arabia has more volcanoes than Yemen.
-Syria possess as much volcanoes as Yemen.

Those volcanoes and other seismic activites are normally occur within 'the east african rift' region.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Rift
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rift_Valley

Area around Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria are also known to be prone with seismic activities, which not only volcano eruption but also; earthquake, lava or gas bursting out from the earth crater due to those earthquake ..
Which is again due to their location within the border of 'arabian plate' and 'nubian plate'...

Given.. Ethiophia has much more volcano than Yemen, Syria and Saudi Arabia combined..
Why not put Sodom and Gomorrah there???

Have you ever asked yourself why the ancient Greek and Roman sailors and gerographers referred to that land as "Arabia Felix"? DO you know what the word "Felix" means? It means "Happy".. They called it "Happy Arabia" because it contained fabulous riches that Palestine could only dream of. Which sounds more like a blessed land? you tell me?

Yemen is the source of it all.

Again as said above, 'the southern Arabia coast' / Yemen IS NOT the source of it all.
It just one of the 'transit point' on trade route.
All of those riches came from India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China

You still insist that Palestine was the "holy land". I am telling you now that it is NOT. The Holy land is also in Arabia, but slightly further north, in the region of Asir, in Southern Saudi Arabia.

Again if you're using "blessed with mineral resources and other natural riches" as criteria for deciding whether the land is holy or not a.k.a the holy land. Then "India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China" are 'far more holier' than Yemen or Palestine.

Exactly. The Valley of Baca. But this valey is NOT in Palestine.

Indeed it was not.. because the bekka valley is in Lebanon...

Muhamad lived, preached, and died in Arabia. He never set foot outside it.

Using your criteria of 'rich in resources'.. as the main criteria.
Why not consider Muhammad lived in either India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China ?

Salam / Peace

unknownuser

There was and IS a place called Bakka, and iti is in Lebanon (and not Yemen)

Be careful when you make such claims. I am Lebanese, and I will tell you now that there is no Baka Valley in Lebanon. There is an interior plateau whose average altitude is about 600 meters, located between two mountain ranges, called the Beqa'a Plain ( &#1593
It has NEVER been called a "valley". I can tell you that with 100% confidence.

There is a BIG difference between (which appears in the Quranic verse) and which is the name of that interior plateau.

Please stop trying to force Lebanon into the events that are described in the Quran, because Lebanon has nothing to do with it. In fact, the entire Levant region has nothing to do with it.

I think maybe a visual aid should help you people understand what it is I'm trying to say

Take a look at the following topographic map of Arabia

http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Map2.jpg

The black line I've drawn for you shows the general direction of the main trade route which ran from Yemen, all the way to Mesopotamia. Note how it passes by the mountain range of South West Arabia. These mountains are at their highest near the city of Abha in Southern Saudi Arabia, near the Yemeni border, where they reach a height of over 3000 m.

Now, concerning Yemen, the land was very important and strategic for 2 reasons

1- It served as a transit stop for goods (spices) coming from India (as you pointed out)
2- It served as the origin of the famous - (LEGENDARY actually) - insence and mirrh route. The insense of Yemen is beyond legendary actually. Go look it up.

This land was called "Arabia Felix" by the ancient Romans and Greeks because of its riches. It was indeed blessed. ANd it saw the rise of many great kingdoms, like Himyar, Sheba, and ISRAEL, which prospered from control of the maritime trade routes (as you called it).

Now..look closely at the topography of the entire region. The stars I have placed on the map denote the location of VOLCANOES.

As there are also 'overland route' which did not pass through 'southern coast of Arabia'

The overland route doesn't concern me, and has nothing to do with the events described in the Quran.

Now please note that when I say "Yemen", I don't necesarily mean the modern and (artifiical political entity) that we know. Yemen is ancient beyond what you perceive it to be. The word means joy and optimism. From this comes the word "tayammun", because the ancient Arabs always felt optimism when they traveled towards it. There was no such thing as Saudi Arabia back then. The Saudis are nothing but agents of colonial Brittain who annexed this region and claimed it as their own. In factm they even annexed a good chunk of Yemen (this is historical fact). The original border of Yemen was farther north that it is today.

Now...look closely at the topography of the entire region. Look at Jordan and Palestine. DO you see any mountains whose altitude is even remotely close to those mountains in Arabia? Where are the volcanoes you are talking about? The mountains of Arabia are called "Al - Surat", which means "The Heights" (high elevated place).

Yes, there ARE volcanoes in Ethiopia. No one is denying that. BUT THE QURAN WAS NOT REVEALED IN ETHIOPIA. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

You see the blue circle I have placed on that map? Here's the deal ALL the events mentioned in the Quran took place there. ALL the prophets lived and preached there. Noah, Abraham, Lot, Jacob, the Israelites, Moses , Esau (not Jesus), David, Solomon, Muhamad....They were ALL there. So are the places mentioned in the Quran. Baka, Aad (the descendants of Noah's people), Sheba, Thamud, al- Tur (where God spoke to Moses), the Holy Sacntuary....They are ALL there. Arabic, the ancient, perrenial and "fitri" tongue of mankind emerged from there. The 'Garden" of Adam was there, in the Heights. HUMAN LIFE AS WE KNOW IT BEGAN THERE. This is the truth that you people are refusing to accept.

Palestine was NOTHING.

The whole point of the thread is to prove this. And I WILL prove it.

The Greek and Roman historians and geographers, like Strabo, Herodotus, and many others, when they visited the lands of Palestine and Syria in ancient times, and made a study of its people, stated very clearly that the origin of all these Semitic races can be traced back to South West Arabia. That region is the wource of all Semitic migrations.

Back to the subject of Lot

THe Quran tells us the following facts
1- They were obliterated by a Volcanic Eruption
2- The remains of their town are VERY CLOSE to the place where Muhammad was preaching the Quran. (They passed by it day and night in their travels)
3- It was along a well-established trade route.

Which region fits all these criteria? Definately nit Jordan or Palestine. Certainly not Ethiopia (despite the volcanoes) and it sure as Hell isn't India, China, or Malaysia (despite the riches).

These events took place inside that blue circle.

Now, take a look at theis next map

http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Map1.gif

The red arrow (from Iraq to Palestine) indicates the direction that the Jews and Zionist want is to believe was taken by the Assyrians and Babylonians when they marched on ancient Israel" (Which they insist was in Palestine).

But if you have carefully read my first two posts in this thread, you will come to the realization that ancient Israel was in Yemen, and bordered Sheba's kingdom. The Israelites were a thorn in the waist of the Mesopotamians. The black arrow shows the true direction of the Assyrian and Babylonian campaigns. They were directed to South West Arabia, in order to discipline the rebelious tribes who controlled the trade routes.

Thus, Bani Israel were from among the ancient and extinct Qahtani Arab tribes, who were originally in Yemen. The grandfather, Abram-Abrahm was born in YEMEN.

The stories of the Torah mention the following names Aden, Hazaramaveth, Uzal, and Ramah.

Do you know what those names are? They are places in YEMEN.

Aden is in Yemen
Hazaramaveth is Hadramoot in YEMEN
Uzal is the ancient and ancestral name of Sana'a in YEMEN. (go look up "Uzal" or "Ozal" in any encyclopaedia...ask any Yemeni, and he will confirm this)
Ramah is a river valley in YEMEN.

The Torah is nothing but the account of Bani Israel, and their trials and ordeals in SOUTH WEST ARABIA.

The events of the Torah did not take place in Egypt, nor in Palestine, nor in Ethipia, nor in India, nor in Lebanon, nor in China or Malaysia.

They took place in that blue circle.

Peace...

huruf

For me it is out of the question that bkk could be confused with the bqa3 there is just one consonant that matches. If that goes, anything goes. And 3ain is not a letter that any Arabic speaker misses. It is funny that it should be present in Lebanon and absent in Arabia.

Salaam

Mazhar

Can u explain please why At-Tur is mount Sinai ?

Pl see location of At Tur

http//www.google.com.pk/imgres?imgurl=http//www.aquatours.com/egypt/misc_pics/map_sinai_and_suez2.jpg&imgrefurl=http//www.aquatours.com/liva/itin_turkia_wreck.htm&h=599&w=590&sz=146&tbnid=-LHSttGCzAo2jM&tbnh=90&tbnw=89&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgulf%2Bof%2Bsuez%2Bmap%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=gulf+of+suez+map&docid=dMo-GJdoHIzANM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NUKtTq7WB8TE8QPP8bi8Cw&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQ9QEwBQ&dur=31

GODsubmitter

Thank you Pazuzu

The Jews occupying Palestine today are Europeans and Khazars. They have NOTHING to do with Bani Israel whatsoever

I agree completely! There is plenty of proof for that out there.

SiNoob

after reading this thread..i was wondering..why god only send down the book into middle east's populatuon..looks like god didn't care about other population?

huruf

According to Qur'an God sent prophets to all peoples. So no. No exclusive for the middle east. To each people sent prophets.

May be some day we may escape this fixation with a particular line of them.

Salaam

loxbox13

after reading this thread..i was wondering..why god only send down the book into middle east's populatuon..looks like god didn't care about other population?

No, he sent prophets everywhere
Solomon and David, were in Rome, Masjud Haram = Vatican of Roma
http//images.travelpod.co.uk/users/rcadventures/1.1274918852.vatican-city-st-peter-s-square-from-the-dome.jpg
The temple of Solomon, Massjid Haram

more proofs
Allah said, The Jinn ( genuises, eveil people and good ones, worked for him, they buit for him, Jufane ( Fountains ) -- must be marvelous, and breathtaking, and cannot be duplicated, cause it was the wish of solomon ( Statuee) also has to be in abundance and marvellous etc..
http//www.paradoxplace.com/Perspectives/Rome%20&%20Central%20Italy/Rome/Rome_Churches/San_Pietro_in_Vaticano/Images/800/Vatican-Fountain2-May05-D0493sAR800.jpg

Jesus Nassiriya (modern name Bejaia) occupied by the frensh
http//www.vudd-labo.org/baoff/bibliotheque/images/fle1318677680le_jardin_d_essai_du_Hamma.jpg
Home garden of Jesus, called Garden of Essai, or Jardin d'Essai
Shuaib (Archimed) Mediteraneen city Tel Mizen, called now Tlemecen, his name is Shuaib Bu Median, his grave still vitited , as a holy man, a saint, but not the messenger
http//www.algerie-monde.com/actualite/article2495.jpg
city of sidi shaib bumedian

Lot ( Plato ) is from Greece
picture of prophet LOTT
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Plato_Silanion_Musei_Capitolini_MC1377.jpg/400px-Plato_Silanion_Musei_Capitolini_MC1377.jpg
Lot , city that was destroyed is called Santorini, u can google it
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Ia_Santorini-2009-1.JPG
City destroyed by lava , most of the islands sunk
Abraham ( Egypt, Alexandrai )
Saba is spain, where the Queen the suslited to Solomon, In Roma
Luqman ( Russia ) called Eloq, known as the wise man and his son - u can google his story -
Jesus , was in UM Al QURA , AFRICA now, AMERCIA us a new UMQURA , and one of the prophets , buillt a country that is known now as the USA , their constitution came directly from the Quran, and wasn't written by the illuminatis washington

ETC...

If someone need an explanation, as to why these prophets and these cities, we will discuss it, from the qura, AND gerography/archeology, but only backed by the quran

well, if ROMA was the MAsjid Haram, than where is the Masid Aqssa ??? it is called Constantine, a city on top of a mountain, it still exists, totally ignored by medias, or archeologists and historians, Ignored volunteeraly, U can google this Masjid Aqsa Constantine, theory, and see the PICS
http//ehprod.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/8104881472.jpg
Constantine - North Africa - Arab = Qustantina - Quast Justice

For now, I have more pictures and cities of the messengers of the Quran, I will share only if u feel, this research is interesting, and in the same time, if prouven, VERY dangerous for the illuminati, THE FRENSH / BRITISH , who did the biggest crime against mankind by altering and hiding the True history, during the 18th and 19th centuries, when colonised the whole world

Well, with all this, I can add someting else, that might sound weird ; MEKA is MACEDONIA, Called in local dialect MAKE DONIA , in the quran BATNI MAKKA , same meaning, it is the place where alroum were defeated by one of the prophets

Jafar

Be careful when you make such claims. I am Lebanese, and I will tell you now that there is no Baka Valley in Lebanon. There is an interior plateau whose average altitude is about 600 meters, located between two mountain ranges, called the Beqa'a Plain ( &#1593
It has NEVER been called a "valley". I can tell you that with 100% confidence.

There is a BIG difference between (which appears in the Quranic verse) and which is the name of that interior plateau.
Please stop trying to force Lebanon into the events that are described in the Quran, because Lebanon has nothing to do with it. In fact, the entire Levant region has nothing to do with it.

So a 'plain between two mountain range' is not a 'valley'???
What is a valley then?

Bakaa vs Beqa'a this is debatable depending on the lissaan/tongue and given the tongue itself has evolved much for many centuries..
But nevertheless let skip this for the moment...

The black line I've drawn for you shows the general direction of the main trade route which ran from Yemen, all the way to Mesopotamia. Note how it passes by the mountain range of South West Arabia. These mountains are at their highest near the city of Abha in Southern Saudi Arabia, near the Yemeni border, where they reach a height of over 3000 m.

Now, concerning Yemen, the land was very important and strategic for 2 reasons

1- It served as a transit stop for goods (spices) coming from India (as you pointed out)
2- It served as the origin of the famous - (LEGENDARY actually) - insence and mirrh route. The insense of Yemen is beyond legendary actually. Go look it up.

You're right about incense yet the incense itself was actually also originated from Somalia.. Both Somalia and "Yemen" is the producer of incense.

However, the goods from the Eastern regions (India,China etc..) with "Mesopotamian Cities" as their delivery or transition address. DID NOT FLOW THROUGH YEMEN. It goes through the persian gulf and landed in Ur..

Ancient city of Ur was situated along the coastline of the gulf and it was a hell of a busy trading port in ancient times, the singapore of ancient time, heavy erosion from Euphrat river for many centuries resulted in 'additional land' as we see today in Iraq. Archeological findings confirm this, the geological structure of today's Iraq coastline along the gulf also confirm this.

See your map there again.. IF.. you're an Indian or Mesopotamian trader.

Why would you spend additional days or even months (if the wind is not favorable) going to "Yemen" if you can use much shorter route to the Mespotamian plain through the persian gulf?? As a trader you knew very well that time = $$$
Going to Ur through persian gulf also bring additional benefits, as you can also sail along Euphrat / Tigris river to bring the goods directly to the upper mesopotamian cities (Niniveh etc..) and makes additional profit. And also buy additional items from there to be sold back in India during your return. That's what trading is all about.

From 'eastern asians' perspective there were 3 main trading destination to the west..

Mixed of overland and maritime routes through Mesopotamian plains down to the ancient Phoenician land in today's Lebanon. The Phoenicians shall thus transport the goods to their colonies spread in the Mediterranean sea (Today's Tunisia, Spain, Sicily, Italy) and also to the Greeks.
Maritime routes through Yemen, Ethiopia, Somalia and up to Egypt.
Maritime routes through Yemen, Somalia and down to eastern African coast.. (where they trade spices, silk, gold with ivory, diamond etc..)

As thus I see the your proposed hypothesis of 'Assyrian/Babylonians/Akkadians motives' of attacking Yemen due to the "Yemeni" sole control of trade route is a fallacy.

And IF.. big IF that is.. they were to invade "Yemen" they will do it through the sea routes.. as bringing thousands of troops through the arid and vast desert of Arabia is a very dangerous (if not foolish) idea. Talk to any army general and they will agree on this.

As thus compared to 'attacking Yemen', from the "War ROI" perspective it is much more cheaper, less risk and higher gain for them to attack India directly.. to the east... where all the riches originally coming from. Which they didn't do that either.

"Assyrian/Babylonians/Akkadians" attack to Yemen is a far-fetched idea.. to me..

And I definitely will not do that.. if I were "Assyrian/Babylonians/Akkadians" I have much better gain by invading either those pesky Phoenician port in the west (and give further grip of my control to the trade towards the Mediterranean sea) as the land route is also favorable for my troop logistics (basically raid and rape everyone along the way) OR invade India directly..

This land was called "Arabia Felix" by the ancient Romans and Greeks because of its riches. It was indeed blessed. ANd it saw the rise of many great kingdoms, like Himyar, Sheba, and ISRAEL, which prospered from control of the maritime trade routes (as you called it).

Sheba and Himyar was indeed there.. however Israel is debatable.. and IT WASN'T the sole control of trade routes.

There was no such thing as Saudi Arabia back then. The Saudis are nothing but agents of colonial Brittain who annexed this region and claimed it as their own. In factm they even annexed a good chunk of Yemen (this is historical fact). The original border of Yemen was farther north that it is today.

Fully agree on this..

Now...look closely at the topography of the entire region. Look at Jordan and Palestine. DO you see any mountains whose altitude is even remotely close to those mountains in Arabia? Where are the volcanoes you are talking about? The mountains of Arabia are called "Al - Surat", which means "The Heights" (high elevated place).

Yes, there ARE volcanoes in Ethiopia. No one is denying that. BUT THE QURAN WAS NOT REVEALED IN ETHIOPIA. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

How can you be so sure? I mean.. by applying your own logic, I can make up some strong argument to say that Quran and everything else (Abraham etc..) was actually in Ethiophia.

Here's the deal ALL the events mentioned in the Quran took place there. ALL the prophets lived and preached there. Noah, Abraham, Lot, Jacob, the Israelites, Moses , Esau (not Jesus), David, Solomon, Muhamad....They were ALL there.

Solomon definitely done many venturing in Ethiopia.. The israelites and Moses also done many 'adventuring' within 'arabian desert'.

While Noah and Abraham I don't think so...
The worshiping of the star, the worshiping of the sun, human sacrifices, a deity called "Marduk" did exist in ancient Mesopotamian plain civilization. (Ur, Niniveh, Babylon etc..)
I strongly believe that Abraham is a Mesopotamian native.. an 'iraqi' if it's today's world...

Arabic, the ancient, perrenial and "fitri" tongue of mankind emerged from there.

There are no such thing as 'fitri' tongue.. human language development and evolution is a complex subject to discuss we better start another tread to discuss specifically on this if you want.

The 'Garden" of Adam was there, in the Heights. HUMAN LIFE AS WE KNOW IT BEGAN THERE. This is the truth that you people are refusing to accept.

I'm sorry my friend.. according to the DNA trace, the 'mitochondrial eve' is somewhere within Ethiophia, Somalia / East African region, and not Yemen... Adam and his partner (whatever her name) if it does exist.. then most probably he's a black African man... and most certainly not in Yemen..

Although Yemen / South Arabian Coastline might be the 'first stop' of his progeny long journey to populate the whole earth many hundred of thousands years ago.

Among the first batch of those coastal migration to the east can still be found today in Papua, Aboriginal Australians / New Zealand and Andaman islands.. and they possess many similarities to those 'black man of Africa'.

Palestine was NOTHING.

The whole point of the thread is to prove this. And I WILL prove it.

The Phoenicians did manage to get a strong grip around the Levant area (including Palestine) and also Mediterranean coasts.. And their trade network is the envy of Assyrians/Babylonians/Akkadian etc..

The Phoenicians gene has been absorbed and mingled with many 'natives' and continue to exist within today people of Lebanon, Greeks, Arabs, Israelite/Jews, Spaniard, Portuguese, Tunisians, Italians etc..

The Greek and Roman historians and geographers, like Strabo, Herodotus, and many others, when they visited the lands of Palestine and Syria in ancient times, and made a study of its people, stated very clearly that the origin of all these Semitic races can be traced back to South West Arabia. That region is the wource of all Semitic migrations.

Greek and Roman historians should not be trusted fully, their motives are usually 'political'..
By making an argument that those 'native people' are actually 'barbarians' and should be subjugated / enslaved through invasion.

By the way Phoenician civilizations long predate the "Roman era".. the "Romans" by itself is the result of 'cross breeding' between Greek colonist arriving in Italian peninsula and the local Phoenicians colonies who had already been there for many centuries before their arrival. This hypothesis has already been proven by DNA Trace and in accordance to the italian myth and legend of 'romulus and remus'.

The Torah is nothing but the account of Bani Israel, and their trials and ordeals in SOUTH WEST ARABIA.

The book of exodus, deutoronomy etc.. indeed tell stories of the Israelite adventure in arabian desert and not only in south west arabia.

Salam / Peace

almarh0m