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    Noon_dhe_plume
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    No, he sent prophets everywhere

    Well, with all this, I can add someting else, that might sound weird ; MEKA is MACEDONIA, Called in local dialect MAKE DONIA , in the quran BATNI MAKKA , same meaning, it is the place where alroum were defeated by one of the prophets

    1889 furthermore he followed a means
    1890 until when he reached rising the sun he found it rising on a community not We made to them from against it Siin-Ta-Ra = to cover/veil/conceal, modesty, covered one, hide oneself

    Dhul-Qarnayn and the "naked philosophers"

    http//www.utexas.edu/courses/classicalarch/images3/alexhead.jpg

    While in India, Alexander took prisoner ten of the Brahmins gymnosophists or ?naked philosphers? who had done most to get Sabbas to revolt, and had made the most trouble for the Macedonians. These men had a great reputation for intelligence, so Alexander decided to give them a test. He announced that the one who gave the worst answer would be the first to die, and he made the oldest Brahmin the judge of the competition.

    Which are more numerous, Alexander asked the first one, the living or the dead? "The living," said the Brahmin, "because the dead no longer count."

    Which produces more creatures, the sea or the land? Alexander asked the second. "The land? was his answer, "because the sea is only a part of it."

    The third was asked which animal was the smartest of all, and the Brahmin replied "The one we have not found yet."

    Alexander asked the fourth what argument he had used to stir up the Indians to fight, and he answered "Only that one should either live nobly or die nobly."

    Which is older day or night? Was Alexander's question to the fifth, and the answer he got was "Day is older, by one day at least." When he saw that Alexander was not satisfied with this answer, the Brahmin added "Strange questions get strange answers."

    What should a man do to make himself loved? Asked Alexander and the sixth Brahmin replied "Be powerful without being frightening."

    What does a man have to do to become a god? He asked the seventh, who responded "Do what is impossible for a man."

    The question to the eighth was whether death or life was stronger, and his answer "Life is stronger than death, because it bears so many miseries."

    The ninth Brahmin was asked how long it was proper for a man to live, and he said "Until it seems better to die."

    Then Alexander turned to the judge, who decided that each one had answered worse than another. "You will die first, then, for giving such a decision," said Alexander. "Not so, mighty king," said the Brahmin, "if you want to remain a man of your word. You said that you would kill first the one who made the worst answer."

    Alexander gave all of the Brahmins gifts and set them free ?Plutarch, Life of Alexander

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      And... I would suggest that you avoid the use of very unpleasant and subjective word such as 'insanity' or any 'ranting/derogatory type of words'

      I hardly think labeling someone as "confused" or "insane" to be derogatory.

      You were saying that there were nothing in Palestine/Levant and as such makes the place as a 'non strategic' /'non prestigious' place for external parties to invade. (Akkadian/Babylonian invasion)

      I am not inventing this. The archeological evidence uncovered from the Palestinian earth has shown that it was a peripheral region. The "Israeli" archeologists themselves have reached this conclusion. Their dismal failure to find a single shred of proof that the Kingdom of Solomon was in Palestine has made them reach a state of total dispair. Did you even bother reading the first two posts of this thread?

      Which I have proved to you that the Phoenician civilization which originated in the Levant region is THE main civilization who traveled far and colonize nearly all of the shore line within Mediterranean sea.

      I am not denying that the so-called "Phoenicians" were sea-faring people. (I'm Lebanese, and I know what you're talking about). All I'm saying is that these people ORIGINATED from the Red Sea coast in Arabia, and migrated north to the Levant.

      You maintain a double standard regarding your attitude to the "Torah", you regard some part of it as truth if it support your 'hypothesis' yet you cursed some other part if it doesn't ring well with your 'hypothesis'..

      Let me tell you something about the Torah....

      I firmly believe that the original text of the Torah contained a very accurate account of the trials and orgdeals of Bani Israel, an ancient Yemeni tribe. However, the text was tampered with many times.

      1- THe first tampering took place during the Babylonian Exile, when certain myths were added to the text, which were not originally there. SOmeday I will point these additions out to you.

      2- The second and most scandalous tampering took place in Egypt, and was perpetrated by the Septuagint priests, who, under the mandate of Ptolemy (the Greek ruler of Egypt), translated the Torah from Aramaic to Greek. I will show you, in detail, how they corrupted the text through their translations. I will put forth examples of Aramaic text right next to the Greek text, and we will analyze them together, so that you will see the blatant corruption with your own eyes.

      3- The third tampering was done by the Masorite priests, who, working from their mountain sanctuary in Turkey, decided to accentuate the originally silent Aramaic letters. And in doing so, they made some very serious mistakes, because they were not expertly fluent in the language. Most Jewish scholars today know very well that the Masoritic articulation contained many mistakes. Bernard Leeman pointed many of those out. So did Kamal Salibi in his book "The Torah Came from Arabia". For example, the original Aramaic text mentions that after the waters of the Deluge receded, Noah's Ark settled in a place called "rrt" (this is how it was spelled in the original, silent Aramaic text). So the Masorites articulated the word as "Ararat", because it was the name of a nearby mountain that they knew. In truth all experts in Aramaic will tell you that "rrt" is not a proper noun, and that it simply means "high place".

      4- The fourth tampering was done in modern times, by the orientalist and imperialist Europeans (who established the Zionist movement). What these criminals did was that they projected the geography of the events described by the Torah, which took place in Yemen, onto the land of Palestine. THey hijacked the geography of the events and forged history as we know it.

      However, despite all the tampering, many names of tribes and places remained as they are, and these alone are enough to expose the forgeries, as I will soon show you. We are not talking about 2,3, or 10 matching names...I will put , in front of your eyes, over 200 names of places and tribes mentioned in the Torah that match, TO THE LETTER, names of places and tribes in Yemen, and you will not believe your eyes when you see them.

      Again I will repeat Bani Israel are ancient Yemeni tribes from the distant childhood of Arabia. The names of their prophets ( Abram - Samu'il - Nehmia - Yehoshua - etc...) are all mentioned in the old traditions and ballad songs of Yemen, as well as the old Arabian poetry, and their legends have been transmitted from generation to generation since forever.

      By insisting that Ancient Israel was in Palestine, you are not only defying the archeological evidences that have been put forth by the "Israeli" scientists themselves, but you are also, unknowingly, supportung the Zionist version of history.

      You seem to be obsessed to show that YEMEN is the place for ALL things.. starting from Adam, to Eden, to Noah to Abraham, to Sheba, to Israelite, to Muhammad etc..
      I wonder what's your true objective in this matter?

      I don't have an objective. I guess I am just INSANE and OBSSESSED with Yemen.
      I guess I need psychiatric help.


      Prepare yourself for the evidence that is coming....


      Peace...

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        I respect your opinion, but I do not agree with you. I'm sorry, it's just too far-fetched for me to think the Quran was revealed in Rome. (But nice pics anyway )

        No, the Quran wasn't hosted in Roma, But in North Africa, this is what I was saying, and , The whole mediteraneen used to speak the same language, or almost same, with diffferent accent, it is obbious when you find every single word in a language, the same in the other languages

        You made your study based of facts made up to alter history in the first place, at least consider Rome, it is not innocent, and it wasn't KABALA or Christian , check out for yourself
        than, I don't see the point on Allah telling us details, names and facts in the quran, while we go look for scholars who were enemies of humanity in the first place, I'm talking about those who manipulated books, by writting many versions

        Magic, is like this, they leave something in front of your eyes, While you don't see it
        I liked your research, but all these i read before

        All messengers that existed are mentioned in the quran, some, Allah told their stories, some, not, we only know their names, Exemple, DHU NOON , DHU KIFL, IL YACINE
        this is how i read it, I consider both ways, because, he said LAM NAKSSUS , and not LAM NATLOU or NAQULL

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          I never said that Allah sent messengers ONLY to Arabia. I think I was very clear and precise in this matter, so please don't put words into my mouth. What I said was that the messengers whom are mentioned in the Quran, were in Arabia. There are many messengers whom Allah did NOT tell Muhamad (P) about, and these were sent to lands outside Arabia.

          I wrote that in answer to SiNoob's message

          after reading this thread..i was wondering..why god only send down the book into middle east's populatuon..looks like god didn't care about other population?

          Obviously not in answer to you or to any person who knows the Qur'an and therefore knows that God does not have an exclusive with anybody, but has attented to all peoles equally through the world nd through the ages. And that is a fact that indeed comes also very appropriately to destroy the enthronisation of Christian and Judeist sacred history, which seems to uphold some kind of monopoly concerning God's relationship with human kind.

          Obviously the revelation of the Qur'an, bearing in mind that it was made to an Arab, must refer often to concepts that are current amongst the immediate population surrounding the messenger. And it also guarantees that that messenger will uphold that that history is just one of the many histories of revelation on earth, all of them the same, because God is God for everybody and therefore inconsistencies do not come from Him bur from the tampering of people.

          On another aspect, I must say that I have always wondered how on earth did Bilqis and Suleyman get in touch if they were one in Palestine and the other one in Yemen, without also getting in touch with all the peopel in between.

          So what you are narrating has plenty of interest.

          Salaam

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            1889 furthermore he followed a means
            1890 until when he reached rising the sun he found it rising on a community not We made to them from against it Siin-Ta-Ra = to cover/veil/conceal, modesty, covered one, hide oneself

            Dhul-Qarnayn and the "naked philosophers"

            http//www.utexas.edu/courses/classicalarch/images3/alexhead.jpg

            While in India, Alexander took prisoner ten of the Brahmins gymnosophists or ?naked philosphers? who had done most to get Sabbas to revolt, and had made the most trouble for the Macedonians. These men had a great reputation for intelligence, so Alexander decided to give them a test. He announced that the one who gave the worst answer would be the first to die, and he made the oldest Brahmin the judge of the competition.

            Which are more numerous, Alexander asked the first one, the living or the dead? "The living," said the Brahmin, "because the dead no longer count."

            Which produces more creatures, the sea or the land? Alexander asked the second. "The land? was his answer, "because the sea is only a part of it."

            The third was asked which animal was the smartest of all, and the Brahmin replied "The one we have not found yet."

            Alexander asked the fourth what argument he had used to stir up the Indians to fight, and he answered "Only that one should either live nobly or die nobly."

            Which is older day or night? Was Alexander's question to the fifth, and the answer he got was "Day is older, by one day at least." When he saw that Alexander was not satisfied with this answer, the Brahmin added "Strange questions get strange answers."

            What should a man do to make himself loved? Asked Alexander and the sixth Brahmin replied "Be powerful without being frightening."

            What does a man have to do to become a god? He asked the seventh, who responded "Do what is impossible for a man."

            The question to the eighth was whether death or life was stronger, and his answer "Life is stronger than death, because it bears so many miseries."

            The ninth Brahmin was asked how long it was proper for a man to live, and he said "Until it seems better to die."

            Then Alexander turned to the judge, who decided that each one had answered worse than another. "You will die first, then, for giving such a decision," said Alexander. "Not so, mighty king," said the Brahmin, "if you want to remain a man of your word. You said that you would kill first the one who made the worst answer."

            Alexander gave all of the Brahmins gifts and set them free ?Plutarch, Life of Alexander

            I don't know if Dhu Qarnayn is Alexander or not, I believe more, Alexander is Abraham, and his story was altered by the colons
            anyway

            reached rising the sun , that is JAPAN, ask the japanese people, what JAPAN means, they tell you , The rising of the sun
            Why will Allah Say JAPAN if it is not Japan ?

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              DOUBLE POST confused

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                Dear Pazuzu..

                Many of your arguments contains discrepancies which brings doubt to your conclusion.
                And... I would suggest that you avoid the use of very unpleasant and subjective word such as 'insanity' or any 'ranting/derogatory type of words' for those parties who disagree with you... it is an advice for your own good... as using such word in an objective discussion shall correlate with your own level of intelligence.. as perceived by the readers..

                Salam / Peace

                Ha ha look who is giving adivce about use of any 'ranting/derogatory type of words' angel ?

                Disscuss Latest News/Events / Re Gaddafi man of honour dies as martyr
                ? on October 20, 2011, 090230 AM ?
                Yeah right.. died as martyr....
                I'm too old to be fooled by this kind of BS...

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                  Peace everyone peace group
                  Very interesting indeed!
                  Where were the children of israel?
                  I previously saw a picture of a possible site for the place where the children of israel made the golden calf, and it was stated it was somewhere in arabia?
                  It?s nice to note that the Apostle paul stated that mount sinai is in arabia in Gal 425

                  Mount sinai in saudia arabia
                  http//www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-route-mt-sinai.htm
                  videos & pictures
                  http//pub48.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=4086901292&frmid=13&msgid=910459&cmd=show
                  http//www.wyattmuseum.com/mount-sinai-08.htm

                  see also other biblical archeology
                  http//www.bible.ca/archeology/archeology.map

                  Peace Pazuzu peace
                  Please keep in mind that God Almighty tells us to retaliate evil with Good & to respond with better responses laugh
                  Retaliating with hostility will not get you very far. We are not engaging in a war, so please calm down sun
                  Please read about the Importance of being nice http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602900

                  Now, you might have misunderstood what i stated before, because i Agreed with your theory that the original kingdom of solomon/david might have been in Arabia, and another supporting point is that solomon was given an oil (?) field in 3412.
                  Now there are supporting points that the children of Israel were in fact in Egypt. One of the main one is that the ruler cited was a Pharoah. The land of Egypt (with it's previous larger border) is where Pharoahs ruled laugh

                  Peace ~<@ peace

                  ~ Blessed is his Most Blessed, Supreme, Serene, High Majesty, YHWH; The Everlasting Lord & king of All ~
                  ~ Hallel YAH! ~

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                    Salam to all, directly from Lisbon (Ushbuna)

                    bravo PAZUZU ... Thanks for sharing and explaining all this information, i just made my register to tell u please keep going... i NEED to hear the rest D
                    jedi ..
                    sun

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                      Retaliating with hostility will not get you very far. We are not engaging in a war, so please calm down

                      Oh, I'm very calm, I assure you.

                      Now, you might have misunderstood what i stated before, because i Agreed with your theory that the original kingdom of solomon/david might have been in Arabia, and another supporting point is that solomon was given an oil (?) field in 3412

                      And that's where your own predicament lies. When you accept the truth that David and Solomon's Kingdom was in Yemen, close enough to Sheba that the hoopooe bird could make the trip to and fro in the same day, you will automatically have to answer the following question, whic brother Layth failed to answer

                      If the Israleites were originally "spawned" in Egypt, then later invaded "Palestine", then how on Earth did David and Solomon suddenly "pop up" in Yemen, 2000 Kilometers to the south?

                      That is interesting isn't it?

                      Peace...

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                        Oh, I'm very calm, I assure you.

                        And that's where your own predicament lies. When you accept the truth that David and Solomon's Kingdom was in Yemen, close enough to Sheba that the hoopooe bird could make the trip to and fro in the same day, you will automatically have to answer the following question, whic brother Layth failed to answer

                        If the Israleites were originally "spawned" in Egypt, then later invaded "Palestine", then how on Earth did David and Solomon suddenly "pop up" in Yemen, 2000 Kilometers to the south?

                        That is interesting isn't it?

                        Peace...

                        Peace Pazuzu peace
                        According to the bible, the inherited land went from the wadi of egypt and went eastward (gen 151. You have to remember that David & solomon must have ruled a vast kingdom, especially solomon, as per his prayer to the almighty to grnat him a kingdom which no one after him can achieve/come like etc. Thus it is concievable in concept that David & solomon could have set up a place near the original route of the israelites comming out of Egypt. Also it is concievable to say that their kingdom reached as far north as palestine coast, and also as far south as southern arabia near sheba laugh
                        See the Exodus route map http//www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-route-mt-sinai.htm
                        ~Peace sun

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                          The most clear mention of the hebrews in Egypt that I have known of is that they might have come with the Hicksos or when this invaders dominated Egypt. Emphsize "might". And that means that in fact no specific indicator of such a thing has been found.

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                            Thus it is concievable in concept that David & solomon could have set up a place near the original route of the israelites comming out of Egypt. Also it is concievable to say that their kingdom reached as far north as palestine coast, and also as far south as southern arabia near sheba

                            My friend...There is no mention whatsoever of such a kingdom in all of history. To claim that Solomon's kingdom stretched from Palestine in the North, all the way to the heart of Yemen in the south is downright ridiculous. It is NOT conceivable!.

                            Your insisting that the Exodus was from Egypt is clouding your mind and making you reach absurd conclusions.


                            Let's go on, shall we?

                            Excerpts From the Diary of Fadhel Al-Rubaye'e

                            "....Did Al-Hamadani really describe, in his book "Sifat Jazeerat? ul-Arab" ("The Description of Arabia&quot, the same land that the Torah described? This question, which had never before ? to my knowledge ? been asked by anyone, kept on occurring to me as I repeatedly borrowed the book from the library of Leiden University, in the Netherlands. Could I be mistaken? Is that possible? Or is there something that I am misunderstanding perhaps? As I flipped through the pages of Al-Hamadani?s book, following his footsteps in the Heights of Asir and Yemen, and stopping in the same places he had stopped at, I found myself, to my astonishment, looking at the same names of tribes, warriors, prophets, valleys, mountains, mentioned in the Torah, to the letter!

                            At first, and despite this, there was always some doubt, as I thought to myself ?It can?t be! Something must be wrong?. Until one day, I found myself, as if by pure fate, and while I was on vacation in Iraq, reading a book written by a very well-known Syrian scholar, Dr. Abdulrahman al-Shahabandar (who has no relation whatsoever to Hamadani, not in time nor in place), titled ?Al ? Maqalat? ("The Articles&quot. My eyes fell on an article he wrote back in 1936, in which he commented about a book written by a Syrian explorer, Nazeeh Mou?ayyad Al-Azhm, who had visited Yemen in the year 1916. Al-Azhm?s book was called ?A Trip to Happy Arabia?. One passage in Shahabandar?s article nearly caused me to leap from my couch. In his comment on the book, he wrote the following

                            ?And the Great Rabbi of the Jews in Sana?a, whose name was Yehia Ishaq, told him that the Jews once had a great kingdom in Yemen, somewhere between Sana?a and Najran. And that this kingdom was established by Solomon, son of David?

                            At this point, I was overtaken with curiosity, and later on, decided to look for this book written by Al-Azhm, until, after some agonizing effort, I was finally able to find a copy of it. And herein, I report to you exactly what he wrote in his book (page 141,142 ? second issue, London, 1985), about his visit to Yemen in 1916

                            ?In the famous Jewish District of Old Sana?a, I met with several of the great Jewish authorities, and asked them many questions about the origins of the Yemeni Jews, their ways, their comings and goings. And there I was told, by the Grand Rabbi named Yehia Ishaq, who hosted me in his home, that the Jews of Yemen once had a great kingdom, and an extravagant city somewhere East of Sana?a, which was built by Solomon, son of David?. When I asked him if it is possible that it was in Najran, he said ?I can?t be certain if it included Najran, but I have no doubt that it was East of Sana?a?.

                            And it was here then that I started asking myself ?Why did the Jews of Yemen believe ? and still do ? that the land of the Torah was in Yemen, somewhere between Sana?a and Najran? Why are the Jews of Yemen the most religious and conservative of all Jews, yet at the same time, harbor a passionate hatred for Israel and Zionism? Why have the Jews of Yemen, who are among the only real Semitic Jews in the world today, always declared their refusal to emigrate to Palestine, and decided to stick to their land and heritage, demanding that the Yemeni government take full responsibility for protecting them from the discrimination they have long suffered at the hands of the Yemeni Muslims, while the other Jews of the world showed not the slightest hesitance to heed the call of the Zionist movement, and relocate to Palestine?

                            These questions peeked my curiosity and my interest again, as I read Kamal Salibi?s book ?The Torah Came from Arabia?, which was published in 1985. To give credit where credit is due, Salibi?s book - It must be said ? was a truly pioneering piece of work that helped answer some truly puzzling questions about the geography of the Biblical events, and the fact that they did not seem to fit the geography of Palestine, no matter how much we tried to twist or interpret the events to make them fit. However, Salibi?s book is not the kind of work any laymen can just pick up and read. It was written by a linguistics expert, for other linguistic experts, and was not meant for the general public.

                            In this context, I remembered a conversation that I once had with a good friend of mine, the Lebanese writer and brilliant critic Imad Al-Abdullah, whom I met back in 1994 during a short visit to Beirut, about ancient Arabic poetry. Imad had written a very interesting article which he later published in a prestigious cultural magazine, proving that what we had always called ?crying at the ruins? was beyond simply a poetic tradition. It was, in fact, and honest and heartfelt expression from the poets, which demonstrated a kind of nostalgia for a glorious and prosperous past long gone, and for civilizations now dust. So I found myself once again, returning to the poetry of the pre-Islamic era, but this time, keeping in mind what my friend Imad had told me. And lo and behold! I found the surprise of my lifetime waiting for me for there, buried in those ancient verses, I found, once again, the description of the famous mountains and valleys of Yemen and Asir, matching, word for word, their description in the passages of the Torah, and in Hamadani?s book!

                            It is truly astonishing ? astonishing and sad at the same time ? that the Arabs have had, for over a thousand years, an accurate, and authentic historical document in Hamadani?s book, which described in detail, the geography of their own past, right under their noses, without even being aware of it; while they continued to believe the lies, the illusions, the manipulations, and the forgeries claiming that the events of the Torah had taken place in Palestine?

                            ? And I didn?t stop there. In the year 2002, after having reached my ultimate and unquestionable conviction that the events of the Old Testament never took place in Palestine, and that someone had messed with our history and turned it upside down without us being aware of it, I went to Yemen, and consulted with two of the most renowned and prestigious academics in the field of history and knowledge, Professor Hussain Abdullah al-Omari and Doctor Youssef Nasser Abdullah ? both graduates of Sorbonne University in Paris, France - concerning what I thought was my ?discovery?. And their shocking answer was simply put

                            ?What you are saying is elementary to us??


                            http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Old.jpg

                            Yemeni Jewish Elders They know the truth that has been hidden from all other Jews.

                            http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Youth.jpg

                            Yemeni Jewish Youth Hodling on to their identity and roots.

                            http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Child.jpg

                            Yemeni Jewish Children Their future is uncertain.


                            The Assyrians never marched on Palestine. Nor did they vie with the Egyptians for control of its land. Solomon?s ships never sailed the Mediterranean, and never landed at the ports of Tyre, Lebanon. Furthermore, King David never fought against the Palestinians. And while the Zionists claim that the so-called ?First Temple of God? was built in Palestine, the explosive truth which will soon be made evident to you, brothers and sisters, as we set sail through the pages of Al-Hamadani?s book, is that the original Temple was never in Palestine, but in the Heights of Himyar, the mountains of Yemen. And the structure that was destroyed by the Roman Emperor Titus, when he sacked Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D, was NOT Solomon?s Temple.

                            We will set sail together, on a journey to the land of Asir and Yemen, in the South Western reaches of Arabia, where we will uncover the curtain on the greatest act of historical and geographical forgery that humanity has ever known; an act whose goal was three-fold

                            • First To ruin the reputation of Arabia?s ancient history, and keep a lid on the events that took place there.

                            • Second To hide the truth concerning the true origins of Judaism, in order to falsely ascribe ?purity? to their alleged ?race? (as if ?Judaism? was ever a RACE!!)

                            • Third To hijack Palestine, and plant an illegal, colonial and imperial entity in the heart of the Arab Nation, strategically located to form a divide between its Asian and African wings, in such a way so as to keep the entire region in turmoil and instability, while placing puppet dictators on the thrones of Arab countries, to keep this Nation from ever unifying into one, major and dominant force.

                            I will present to you staggering evidence, which will leave no room for any suspicion and doubt, that the events and the stories told in the Old Testament took place in the lands of Asir and Yemen, and overlooking the Red Sea coast. I will prove that the original writers of the Torah were monotheistic, nomadic tribes of ancient Arabia, who fought their wars and built their first kingdom in South West Arabia, not in Palestine. I will show you how the European and orientalist interpretation of the Torah projected the geography of these events onto the land of Palestine, and how the misguided Muslims have fallen into the trap of illusion and deception, by falsely attributing ?holiness? to Palestine, and the city of ?Al-Quds? in particular, by claiming that Muhamad (P) was taken there on the back of a winged horse, on his famous ?Night Journey?, and from which he then rose to Heaven to meet Allah face to face.

                            The great truth that has been hidden all these years is that there was never a blessed or holy spot of land on this Earth other than the mountains and valleys of South West Arabia. This forgotten land, whose call has ever been ignored, was the origin of all Semitic migrations, the cradle of the oldest civilization, and the home place of all the prophets whom are mentioned in the Quran. This land was the birthplace of Judaism, as well as the Nasarene Creed (Al- Nasraniyya), from which Paul later derived Christianity. (This is why Paul says clearly, in his Letters, that he went to ARABIA, and spent 3 years there. And it was not until AFTER his return from ARABIA, that he began to preach Christianity in Jerusalem. Why do you think that is so? What did he do in Arabia? And what did he bring with him from there? This is the question that has baffled Christians for ages untold. And I will give you the answer to that as well).

                            Together, we will put the pieces of this age-old puzzle together, then step back and look at the big picture, to see what the evil hands of corruption and deception have done to our history.

                            We will walk in the footsteps of Al- Hamadani (893 ? 945 A.D), the great Arab geographer, historian, astronomer and poet, who in turn, walked in the same footsteps as the ancient Yemeni prophet Yeshua, recording the same place names, the same mountains, the same valleys, the same river beds, the same tribes, the same heroes that were mentioned in the Old Testament. We will show you that no human being with an ounce of intelligence or any semblance of common sense can claim that the matching names are nothing but pure coincidence. This is not a case of 2, 3, or 10 matches. We are talking about over 200 matches, TO THE LETTER. These are the SAME places that are mentioned in the Torah, in the ancient Arabic poetry, and in Hamadani?s precious book ?Description of Arabia? (Hereafter denoted as DoA).

                            But first, there is this little matter concerning what is known as the ?Hebrew? language, that needs to resolved once and for all, if we are to have a meaningful discussion?

                            In the meantime, please check out these two breathtaking videos

                            The first from the documentary show "Ushuaia" describing the architecture of Yemen, and the famous trade routes of Arabia. It's called "Perfumes of Happy Arabia" (unfortunately, it's in French).

                            http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1M6lmBEeP4&feature=related

                            The Second "Hadaramawt Land of Dreams" (This is the same "Hazaramaveth" which appears in the Torah).

                            http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW7GVS-Jx0M&feature=related

                            Enjoy...


                            To Be Continued?

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                              PAZUZU ... Thanks for sharing and explaining all this information, i just made my register to tell u please keep going... i NEED to hear the rest

                              Dear NOMAD... Thank you for your enthusiasm..

                              Please don't hesitate to join in the discussion

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                                My friend...There is no mention whatsoever of such a kingdom in all of history. To claim that Solomon's kingdom stretched from Palestine in the North, all the way to the heart of Yemen in the south is downright ridiculous. It is NOT conceivable!.

                                Your insisting that the Exodus was from Egypt is clouding your mind and making you reach absurd conclusions.

                                Peace Pazuzu peace
                                I do not mean to enrage you, iwould be simply trying to understand.
                                I am sory that my thoughts are ridiculous to you, but to tell you the truth, i am notv a historian. As i stated before, Solomon prayed to God Almighty to give him a kingship that NO ONE will acquire after him. Thus by that conclusion, i stated that it is concievable that solomon's might have stretched as far north as palestine & as far south as yemen. This can be supported by the fact that Queen sheeba in the Quran submited to God, (i.e became muslim), with solomon, this can mean that her kingdom was acquired by solomon (if you note solomon wanted to invade/overtake them in the Quran).
                                Please excuse us and please use lenient language because we have not come to the same conclusions as you have laugh
                                ~ Peace peace

                                ~Blessed is his Most Blessed, Supreme, Serene, High Majesty, YHWH; The Everlasting, Merciful Lord & king of All ~
                                ~ Hallel YAH! ~
                                sun

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                                  History tends to be written by those who have hung heroes, and the corrupt. So I am definitely open to PAZUZU's research. We shouldnt turn a blind eye to it. In the end the truth can never be overshadowed by any falsehood.Allahs light will always shine. So granted you are being a little firm Pazuzu lol, but I welcome the theory. I however will have to do my own research to verify it. And since Quran never specifically says where exodus, or certain things literally took place verbatum, then the research is open really. Whatever sounds more reasonable and logical. if its verbatum truth that Yemen is this place you mention, then Allah if he so wills will bring that into light. In the end Allah knows best. so long as we are sincere, give thanks, and praise him constantly. Salams to everyone

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                                    It is truly astonishing ? astonishing and sad at the same time ?

                                    The Assyrians never marched on Palestine. Nor did they vie with the Egyptians for control of its land.

                                    Peace Pazuzu,

                                    That's your evidence your conversations, a book by Al- Hamadani (893 ? 945 CE), and pictures of Jews in Yemen?

                                    Why not read what Assyrians actually wrote on their prisms around 700 BCE?

                                    http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Taylor_Prism-3.jpg/581px-Taylor_Prism-3.jpg

                                    http//www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/meso/sennprism3.html

                                    Sennacherib Prism Column 3

                                    1they offered battle. With the aid of Aššur, 2my lord, I fought with them and 3brought about their defeat. The Egyptian charioteers and princes, 4together with the Ethiopian king's charioteers, 5my hands captured alive in the midst of the battle. 6Eltekeh and Timnah 7I besieged, I captured, and I took away their spoil.
                                    8I approached Ekron and slew the governors and nobles 9who had rebelled, and 10 hung their bodies on stakes around the city. The inhabitants 11who rebelled and treated (Assyria) lightly I counted as spoil. 12The rest of them, who were not guilty of rebellion 13and contempt, for whom there was no punishment, 14I declared their pardon. Padi, their king, 15I brought out to Jerusalem, 16set him on the royal throne over them, and 17imposed upon him my royal tribute.
                                    18As for Hezekiah the Judahite, 19 who did not submit to my yoke forty-six of his strong, walled cities, as well as 20the small towns in their area, 21 which were without number, by levelling with battering-rams 22and by bringing up seige-engines, and by attacking and storming on foot, 23by mines, tunnels, and breeches, I besieged and took them. 24 200,150 people, great and small, male and female, 25horses, mules, asses, camels, 26cattle and sheep without number, I brought away from them 27and counted as spoil. (Hezekiah) himself, like a caged bird 28I shut up in Jerusalem, his royal city. 29I threw up earthworks against him? 30the one coming out of the city-gate, I turned back to his misery. 31His cities, which I had despoiled, I cut off from his land, and 32to Mitinti, king of Ashdod, 33Padi, king of Ekron, and Silli-b?l, 34king of Gaza, I gave (them). And thus I diminished his land. 35I added to the former tribute, 36and I lad upon him the surrender of their land and imposts?gifts for my majesty. 37As for Hezekiah, 38the terrifying splendor of my majesty overcame him, and 39the Arabs and his mercenary troops which he had brought in to strengthen 40Jerusalem, his royal city, 41deserted him. In addition to the thirty talents of gold and 42eight hundred talents of silver, gems, antimony, 43jewels, large carnelians, ivory-inlaid couches, 44ivory-inlaid chairs, elephant hides, elephant tusks, 45ebony, boxwood, all kinds of valuable treasures, 46as well as his daughters, his harem, his male and female 47musicians, which he had brought after me 48to Nineveh, my royal city. To pay tribute 49and to accept servitude, he dispatched his messengers.

                                    History tends to be written by those who have hung heroes, and the corrupt.

                                    Tungjatjeta Albo -- yes most definitely!

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                                      Tung Shqipe si je?

                                      there are so many theories for where Muhammad actually came from lol. I like to say Allah knows best, in the end righteousness is not turning your faces east or west, but in our actions, our piety and deeds. certain things we may never clearly know, due to the insurmountable amount of corruption of history, from all sides. This is why Allah says "the later generations are in dispute" and "Allah will show them wherein they disputed, and the truth of the matter". So in the end people can dispute until the cows come home, all presenting their evidence, granted we shouldnt turn a blind eye, and of course examine the evidence, and clearly see which has stronger supporting evidence. But even then Allah knows best.

                                      salams

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                                        @ Noon dhe plume...

                                        So what's your point? These prisms prove that the Assyrians sacked JERUSALEM. OF course they did. I never claimed otherwise.

                                        The idea you people can't seem to understand is that the JERUSALEM they sacked was "UR-SALEM", an ancient mountain city in YEMEN, which was near a mountain called Zion. IF you go to Yemen now, and ask any Yemeni in the streets of Sana'a where "Jabal Sayyoun" is, he will direct you to it.

                                        The Jeruslalem of Palestine (which was named after its original YEMENI name by the Jews who migrated there AFTER the Exiles) did not even exist prior to 600 BC. Mr Noon dhe plume wants to defy the archeological evidence that the "ISRAELIS" THEMSELVES have unearthed from Palestine, proving that the JERUSALEM of Plaestine was no more than an insignificant village before 600 BC. Mr Noon thinks he is more qualified in this subject than the archeologists themselves.

                                        The Assyrians sacked ARABIA. Not Palestine.

                                        And the murals which were in the Baghdad Museum, containing illustrations describing the captivity, clearly showed the Assyrians, whith their famous "curly hair helmets" dragging BEDOUINS wearing a desert dress, their hands and feet cuffed and tied with chains, along with CAMELS. there are CAMELS depicted in those murals. This is why many Europeans who visited the museum and looked at thoe murals could never figure out why there were camels.

                                        Why not read what Assyrians actually wrote on their prisms around 700 BCE?

                                        Why don;t YOU READ what i wrote in the begining of this thread?? There was no JERUSALEM in Palestine in 700 BCE. And the captives shown in the murals and illustartions in the Baghdad Museum (which the "civilized" American troops STOLE when they looted city) were ARABIAN tribes.

                                        Does the word "Palestine" appear anywhere in those cylinders, Mr. Noon?


                                        Peace.

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                                          Tung Shqipe si je?

                                          Falem shume mire; agree we need to check all history triangulate the data without bias.

                                          @ Noon dhe plume...

                                          So what's your point? These prisms prove that the Assyrians sacked JERUSALEM. OF course they did. I never claimed otherwise.

                                          The idea you people can't seem to understand is that the JERUSALEM they sacked was "UR-SALEM", an ancient mountain city in YEMEN, which was near a mountain called Zion. IF you go to Yemen now, and ask any Yemeni in the streets of Sana'a where "Jabal Sayyoun" is, he will direct you to it.

                                          The Jeruslalem of Palestine (which was named after its original YEMENI name by the Jews who migrated there AFTER the Exiles) did not even exist prior to 600 BC. Mr Noon dhe plume wants to defy the archeological evidence that the "ISRAELIS" THEMSELVES have unearthed from Palestine, proving that the JERUSALEM of Plaestine was no more than an insignificant village before 600 BC. Mr Noon thinks he is more qualified in this subject than the archeologists themselves.

                                          The Assyrians sacked ARABIA. Not Palestine.

                                          And the murals which were in the Baghdad Museum, containing illustrations describing the captivity, clearly showed the Assyrians, whith their famous "curly hair helmets" dragging BEDOUINS wearing a desert dress, their hands and feet cuffed and tied with chains, along with CAMELS. there are CAMELS depicted in those murals. This is why many Europeans who visited the museum and looked at thoe murals could never figure out why there were camels.

                                          How many people did you expect to find hundred's of thousands or millions?
                                          How many people & cities in Yemen on top that hill whatever circa 700 BCE?

                                          I'll post this again and highlight the Arabs who joined the fight and CAMELS.

                                          18 As for Hezekiah the Judahite, 19 who did not submit to my yoke forty-six of his strong, walled cities, as well as 20 the small towns in their area, 21 which were without number, by levelling with battering-rams 22 and by bringing up seige-engines, and by attacking and storming on foot, 23 by mines, tunnels, and breeches, I besieged and took them. 24 200,150 people, great and small, male and female, 25 horses, mules, asses, camels, 26 cattle and sheep without number, I brought away from them 27 and counted as spoil. (Hezekiah) himself, like a caged bird 28 I shut up in Jerusalem, his royal city. 29 I threw up earthworks against him? 30 the one coming out of the city-gate, I turned back to his misery. 31 His cities, which I had despoiled, I cut off from his land, and 32 to Mitinti, king of Ashdod, 33 Padi, king of Ekron, and Silli-b?l, 34 king of Gaza, I gave (them). And thus I diminished his land. 35 I added to the former tribute, 36 and I lad upon him the surrender of their land and imposts?gifts for my majesty. 37 As for Hezekiah, 38 the terrifying splendor of my majesty overcame him, and 39 the Arabs and his mercenary troops which he had brought in to strengthen 40 Jerusalem , his royal city, 41 deserted him. In addition to the thirty talents of gold and 42 eight hundred talents of silver, gems, antimony, 43 jewels, large carnelians, ivory-inlaid couches, 44 ivory-inlaid chairs, elephant hides, elephant tusks, 45 ebony, boxwood, all kinds of valuable treasures, 46 as well as his daughters, his harem, his male and female 47 musicians, which he had brought after me 48 to Nineveh, my royal city. To pay tribute 49 and to accept servitude, he dispatched his messengers.

                                          Peace!

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