The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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This is an ad hominem uncalled for, and not worthy of someone who claims to believe in God and the last day...
barking dog... that says a lot about you... and your maturity to debate when a proponent does not agree with you...
no one is beyond criticism, but you have no right to allude to posters as barking dogs, that is beyond the pail of civility...
Thanks, IMHO, for your kind words.
Let us not worry about barking dogs. We have better things to do.
Salaam
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Dear huruf
Of course, the point of the "qasas" in the Quran (stories of past peoples) are simply to provide a cause for reflection, and to learn moral lessons from them. And that Quran is ultimately, a book of guidance, not history.
However, these events, whether true to the letter, or simply symbolic legends, MUST have a had a certain setting. They must have originated from somewhere. And that "somewhere" was sure as Hell not Palestine.
It is our DUTY to liberate Palestine from the clutches of Zionist tyranny. But this duty simply stems from the fact that someone hijacked their land and claimed it as their own. NOT because Palestine is a "Holy" land, from which Muhamad went to the 7th Heaven on the back of a winged horse.
The entire point of these threads I am making was to show you that whoever can forge the entire history of the region can sure as Hell forge your belief system, and corrupt Islam from the source. These people have existed since forever, and were the very same force (the unseen "power behind the throne" during the Umayyad Era, when Hadiths began to appear. The people who wrote these Hadiths are the SAME ones who corrupted the Torah.
The same enemy of humanity.
And I'm sure you know who I am referring to.
This is all so interesting!
I was always wondering how is it possible that the Islam got corrupted as well, if The Quran came as the Furkan, as a definitive message and the very last Book from God...
I am also so curious to know who started with hadiths, because they do not make so much sense...
And, either I am totally innocent or dumb, but I do not know who are the same old enemies of humanity...?
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Salam,
Unfortunately, as happens on all forums, "believers" forget God.
God says Believers advocate peace, tolerance and kindness and that they treat each other in the best possible manner. They don't mock, ridicule or insult others.
What I see is a lot of arrogance, Ego, racism, anti-semitism and hate-mongering. All of which are traits of disbelievers.
God says believers advocate for justice but they can only do so in righteousness, otherwise they will go astray from His teachings and commandments to us.
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Salaam Brother Nabil
Darwinian Paleontologists have been in search of the ?missing link? between man and ape for well over a hundred years now, yet refuse to give up their quest. The reason is of course that it?s a fundament of their ?religion? that man and ape evolved from a common ancestor, therefore Mr. Link MUST be there. For the same reason Zionists are desperate to find proof of a great realm in Palestine that fits the description of Solomon?s kingdom and will only give up when the last stone has been turned over.
You accuse me of being anti Jewish. This is absolutely wrong. Just as I have nothing against Germans, but hate Nazis, I harbour no ill feelings for Jews, but despise Zionists; as do many Jews by the way. Zionist hasbara is trying to equate anti-Zionionism with anti-Semitism but this is a Satanic lie.
Empathy is unlimited, if you have been blessed with it and, for my part, it extends to all the oppressed of this earth in equal measure. However the Palestinians may be nearer to my heart than any other people as the cruelty against them seems especially pitiless. Much like Colonel Qadhafi Hamas has been much maligned by the dominant Zionist media and it?s very difficult to ascertain the truth about them. They have however been elected in free and fair elections and cannot be fobbed off as terrorists. As for cleaning up their act God alone knows who most needs such an overhaul.
I did, by no means, threaten you with anything, but simply reminded you of our duty as believers to stand up for the downtrodden of this earth, and this is the obligation of every Muslim. I have raised my voice against agression whenever my attention was drawn to it regardless of who the victims were.
Finally I agree that it?s better we stop engaging together as staying cool headed may prove very difficult.Peace and Salutations
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Peace All,
The next step for the zionists will be to lay claim to Yemen and the whole of the western Arabic gulf area, that is if all points to that as the place where Kings David and Solomon are proven to have operated from...
That will be a very interesting development...
Salaam
Nabil
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Salaam
That interesting development is already a fact. They want to lay claim to the whole world, as they believe that peace will not come until they rule the whole world. They also hold it to be their God given right to manage its affairs just like Joseph (Yussuf).
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For the same reason Zionists are desperate to find proof of a great realm in Palestine that fits the description of Solomon?s kingdom and will only give up when the last stone has been turned over
And they will never find it. Even if they dig all the way to the core of the Earth, they will not find anything that they dream of in Palestine.
Because Sulayman was never there. And the ancient folk ballads of Yemen (psalms) know very well where he was.
I would like to ask Br Pazuzu to put all the information out at one time and then let us discuss the finer points of what is correct or not At least this will stop all the bickering and innuendos for the time being
Dear Salgan, as much as I would love to do that, I'm afraid that's just not possible. The article is not ready. It's being constructed bit by bit. To wait for the whole thing to be finished would take over 3 months!
Anyway, my days on this forum are numbered.
Let's continue, shall we?
?And there, in the valleys of Asir, Yemen, and Hijaz are ruins which will one day present to the historians and to the world a deeper knowledge of the ancient nations, and could help solve the riddle of the early stories in the Torah, and the passing historical references in the Koran. And who knows what treasures lie buried in the ancient and forgotten ruins of Asir??
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The Current City of Al-Quds, in Palestine, is NOT the Jerusalem of the Torah.
The Zionist version of history hinges on the idea that Palestine is the ?Jewish Promised Land?, and relies on torturing the geography of Palestine to make it fit, by force, with the landscape described in the Aramaic Torah. Built upon this lie is another forgery, which claims that the current Arab city of Al-Quds is none other than the Jerusalem of the Torah.
The silent truth that has been uncovered for you, brothers and sisters, is that the current city of Al-Quds did not become known as "Jerusalem" until as late as the 4th Century BC, when it achieved the semblance of a city, and the Jewish migrations northward from Arabia had settled it, and carried with them the name of the original Jerusalem of Yemen ??Ur? Salem?. (This is a well-known process called ?tayammun?, in which tribes or groups of people move to settle in new lands, and carry with them names from their old homes to their new home. I will show you many examples later on, dozens of names of mountains, cities, and valleys in the Levant which are in fact copies of the exact same names found in Yemen, where they originated. And these will be a great shock to many of you).
I will also show you that the Torah does NOT mention ?Palestine? or ?Palestinians? ANYWHERE in its texts!!! What it does mention are ancient pagan tribes by the name of ?filis ? filist?.
The main starting point of our discovery lies in proving to you that the name "Qadesh-Qades" (the ?s? and ?sh? sounds are interchangeable in Aramaic), which appears in the Torah has absoulutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with the name ?Ur? Salem?. In other words, the Torah mentions and distinguishes between two SEPARATE places, one of them called ?Qadesh ? Qades?, while the other is described as ?Ur? Salem ? Ur? Shalem?, and that these two places are not connected to each other geographically. The first, ?Qades?, refers to a majestic mountain which has been cleansed, or purified (made ?muqaddas?). The second refers to the description of a city that has no relation whatsoever to that mountain.
The mountain by the name of ?Qades ? Qadesh? lies about 80 kilometers south of the city of Ta?ez in Yemen, and is very well embedded in the memory of the people of that region, for ages untold. As for the current city of ?Al-Qudus?, in Palestine, it is NOT a mountain, nor is it located anywhere near a mountain, no matter how much the Zionists insists that it is. (There is really no difference between Qudus and Qades. The two words are the same, and made up of the same letters . It?s simply a matter of accentuation of the letters. It?s the SAME name). The current Jerusalem lies on top of two parallel knolls, located in the middle of a broad coastal plain. Anyone who claims that the Jerusalem of Palestine lies on top of , or near a mountain is either delusional, or is a LIAR.
What is even more shocking is that the Torah talks very clearly about the fall of a city which it describes as ?Ur? Salem?, after it was attacked by King David from a nearby mountain called ?Sayyoun? (Zion) - . It appears that David sacked a military keep that was located high up in that mountain, then named it the ?City of David?; an event which then paved the way for conquering ?Ur? Salem? itself, whose inhabitants were called ?The Jebusites?.
Now, the name ?Zion? surely brings to the Arab mind a sense of hatred, enmity, dread, and curiosity at the same time, because of its connection with the Zionist movement. But what if we were to turn these sentiments around completely, and prove that ?Sayyoun ? Sahyoun? ( ? ن is another very well-known mountain in Yemen, and that its name has been forever preserved in ancient Arab poetry?
So let?s first reconstruct the story of ?Ur? Salem?, and how it fell in the hands of David.
The most extensive description of ?Ur? Salem? and the events surrounding it is found in the Book of Samuel (whom the ancient Arab reporters called ?Al-Samau?al al -Yahoudi?), which describes the city as being located in a high and desolate mountainous vale, making it very hard to reach. It also speaks of its inhabitants called ?Jebusites?, whose name in Arabic, is rendered as ?Al- Yaboosiyyeen? ن). In fact, the name ?Ur Salem? was given to the ?City of the Jebusites? because its difficult location made it a safe haven, and its inhabitants lived in peace and safety.
In Yemen , there is a city located high up in the mountains, somewhere south of Sana'a, called ?Bayt Boos ? Bayt Yaboos" ? . In fact, there is a very famous colloquial saying they have in Yemen, which states that ?Every Yaboosi is a Jew, and every Jew is a Yaboosi?!!
Is this coincidence or what?
Has history ever recorded the name ?Jebusites? or ?Zion? in Palestine?
The king and his men marched to Jerusalem against the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land, who said to David, ?You will not come in here, even the blind and the lame will turn you back??thinking, ?David cannot come in here.? Nevertheless, David took the stronghold of Zion, which is now the city of David (Samuel 2 ? 57).
The above verse from the Torah completely denies any relationship whatsoever between ?Ur? Salem? and ?Qades?. It also makes it very clear that the city could be reached from a nearby mountain called ?Zion?, on which was built a military keep.
Where is this landscape scene in Palestine?
The name ?Mount Zion? is nothing but a corruption of the Arabic name ?Jabal Sayyoun ? Sahyoun?. One of the phenomena of the ancient Yemeni dialect (from which Aramaic came), is the introduction of the letter ?h? in the middle of some words. Examples Abram ? Abrahm / Yareeq ? Yahreeq (water pitcher) / Nafaq ? Nafhaq (tunnel) / Sayyoun ? Sahyoun (Zion).
I just wish there was a Yemeni member here on this forum. He/she could easily confirm this truth, and tell you exactly where Jabal Sahyoun is!
This mountain is one of the most famous peaks of the Heights of Himyar in Yemen, which stretches from the province of Sana?a, all the way to the borders of Najran (which the Saudis annexed in the 1930?s).
Al-Hamadani, describes, in detail, the location of Bayt Boos, in relation to Sana?a, in his book ?Description of Arabia? (DoA). I have left the text un-translated, so that Arabic readers can verify for themselves if I?m lying
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What Hamadani is telling us is the following
The Yemeni city of Bayt Boos (Yaboos) is located in a mountainous country in what is known as the ?hollow? of Yemen (al-Jouf), and is on the road which leads soutwards from Sana?a (the capital of Yemen). In fact, all the underlined names which appear in Hamadani?s text Debra Valley ? Anef ? Eban ? Sana?a (its ancestral name was Uzal) appear, to the LETTER, in the Torah, as we shall later see.
As for ?Mount Zion? itself, we have the following accurate historical event that has been preserved in the memory of the Yemenis since before Muhamad?s time, which proves, beyond any shadow of doubt, that the mountain existed in Yemen, not Palestine
When the Yemeni king Yousef bin Zara?a bin Himyar al- Asghar , known to Yemenis by the name of ?Zhu Nawwas al-Himyari? rose to the throne of Yemen in the year 524 A.D, after successfully wrestling power from the hands the Saba?a Dynasty, he immediately declared Judaism as the official religion of Yemen, and called upon all Yemenis to return to the ancient religion of their ancestors. The classical Arab historians are generally in consensus about this issue. As a result of this declaration, the Jewish Yemeni king decided to march northwards towards the city of Najran (which today lies at the southern border of Saudi Arabia), which, at that time, was witnessing a rapid spread of Christianity, according to the Nestorian Creed. Great churches were being built in that city, among which was the famous ?Kaaba of Najran?, which is mentioned in the ancient Arab poetry (look it up please). In fact, there are plenty of ruins of ancient churches in Najran, some of which have been preserved until today. (The Saudis will not let anyone near them of course). The rapid spread of Christianity in the Najran province led to the feelings and sentiments of enmity towards it in all of Yemen. And so it was, that some 50 years before the advent of Muhamad (P), a very complicated and dangerous situation was unfolding in Yemen, as the relations between the two capitals Sana?a and Najran reached a crisis point.
During this time, while the Yemeni Jewish king was preparing to march towards the Christian capital, one very famous poet, known as ?Al-A?asha of Hamadan? (transliteration ?A3sha?), travelled, in haste, to Najran, met with its Grand Cardinal by the name of Abdul Maseeh bin al-Dayyan and his brother Yazeed bin al Dayyan, and there, he said his famous poem, warning them that the Jewish Himyarites were on their way. Again, I will leave the text of the poem itself un-translated, so that Arabic readers can verify for themselves
Note the underlined words Najran and Sahyoon (Zion).
Here is what the last verse (at the bottom) says
?And if Sahyoon (Zion) is one day unleashed upon you??..then the wind of a destructive war will be on your doors?
And it was during that war, that the historical event recorded in the Quran took place. This event is described in Chapter 85 of the Quran, entitled ?The Galaxies? (Surat ? Al-Burooj), as the ?Event of the Trench? or ?Event of the Canyon? (al-Ukhdood), which recorded the terrible persecution of the faithful Nestorians of Najran, at the hands of the Himyarites, when some 16,000 Christians were thrown in trenches, and had fiery oil poured on top of them.
{ Dead are the people of the trench * The fire supplied with fuel (oil) * So they were placed in it * And they were witnesses to what they did to the believers } ?
This holocaust, which has been accurately documented by both the Ethiopian and Roman Byzantine churches, was unlike any that history had ever seen, and it shook the consciousness of Arabia. (It?s consequences would be seen later on, when Ethiopia took vengeance on the Himyarites, by launching a campaign against Yemen).
Check out this link
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_community_of_Najran
What interests us here was that the reporters of this event knew very well the geography of the region, and knew very well the location of Jabal Sahyoun (Mount Zion), from whose slopes the Himyarite king Dhu Nawwas? army descended like thunder upon the city of Najran.
The claim that Mount Zion is in Palestine is tantamount to insanity. How the HELL did the YEMENI King, Dhu Nawwas, attack the Christians of Najran in South West Arabia, FROM PALESTINE????
Has history ever recorded the presence of the Himyarite Dynasty of Yemen in Palestine? Did Palestine ever launch a military campaign against Yemen?
Where in the world are we, folks? OPEN YOUR EYES!!
Someone has projected the events of the Torah onto Palestine!!
Even today, we see many families in Lebanon and Syria, bearing the name ?Sahyoun?, in remembrance of that towering mountain peak. Why is that? It is because the name is a testament to their ancient Yemeni roots. And this is further evidence of what we said before concerning Yemen being the origin of all Semitic migrations.
But the people of Judah could not drive out the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem; so the Jebusites live with the people of Judah in Jerusalem to this day (Joshua ? 1563)
This time, it is Yeshua who is mentioning Jerusalem. Note how often this city is mentioned in relation to its inhabitants, the Jebusites (Yaboosiyyeen ? Boosiyyeen).
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image hosting gifThe remains of the infamous "Trench of Najran" (Al- Ukhdood).
http//s5.postimage.org/r2jxzy7br/Yemen_map.jpg
hosting imagesAbove is a map of Yemen, showing the path taken by Dhu Nawwas' army from Mount Zion (the red 6-pointed star) to the city of Najran (in the blue circle), where they perpetrated the fiery massacre.
Also, note the green circle at the center of the map? That is the city of Thamud. It appears that the Saudi LIARS have done a little hijacking of their own, when they claimed that the City of Saleh (the prophet Saleh), which they call "Mada'in Saleh", is in the northern Hijaz area. The Quran tells us that Saleh was sent to the people of Thamud. And there is Thamud, still standing in East Yemen, in spite of the LIARS.
And here is Al-Hamadani?s testimony about this famous Yemeni clan (The Jebusites)
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Here, al-Hamadani tells us that the origin of Bayt Boos can be traced back to the grandfather of the clan, by the name of Dhu Yaboos (or Dhu Bawwas), son of Sharaheel. He is telling us that it is a FORTIFIED KEEP located some two-hours ride south west of Sana?a!!
Here is the comparison between the text of the Torah, and what Al-Hamadani says in "Description of Arabia"
Torah says King David and his men stormed the keep, and sacked the city of the Jebusites.
DoA says Bayt Boos (Yaboos) is a fortified keep south west of Sana?a.
And Sana?a, which is also mentioned in the Torah (Book of Genesis) by its ancient name Uzal (or Azal ? which means eternally old or ancient) was the historic capital of the Himyarite Jewish kings of Yemen. This city was at the hub of the trade routes, and is at least 2,500 years older than Mecca.
Could all this be coincidence, brothers and sisters?
http//s5.postimage.org/xk2ujghp3/Boos.png
hosting imagesThe City of Bayt Boos - District of Sana'a. Any one of the peaks in the background could be mount Zion. This is the Jerusalem of the Torah, as it appears today.
The events of the Torah took place in a mountainous landscape that has nothing to do with Palestine whatsoever.
To Be Continued...
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bravo Pazuzu
I think that right now yhat you just close some mouths and free some of the minds, no reply contesting your last issue in the last 8 hours or more ...amazing yay
Im not against anyone here brothers, but truth and logical ideas are in front of our eyes...
Salam
NOMAD
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I think that right now yhat you just close some mouths and free some of the minds, no reply contesting your last issue in the last 8 hours or more ...amazing yay
Im not against anyone here brothers, but truth and logical ideas are in front of our eyes...
Salam
NOMAD
Peace NOMAD -- what logical ideas?
The silent truth that has been uncovered for you, brothers and sisters, is that the current city of Al-Quds did not become known as "Jerusalem" until as late as the 4th Century BC, when it achieved the semblance of a city, and the Jewish migrations northward from Arabia had settled it, and carried with them the name of the original Jerusalem of Yemen ??Ur? Salem?. (This is a well-known process called ?tayammun?, in which tribes or groups of people move to settle in new lands, and carry with them names from their old homes to their new home. I will show you many examples later on, dozens of names of mountains, cities, and valleys in the Levant which are in fact copies of the exact same names found in Yemen, where they originated. And these will be a great shock to many of you).
All he does is post perpetual stories/assertions hardly responds to questions or evidence posted to him.
The Amarna letters, a collection of correspondence between various states and Egypt found in the remains of the ancient city of Akhetaten date around 1370 BCE completely destroy his theory.
OK one more example which mentions KUR (land) mi-i-ri and Jerusalem twice?
EA 289 Abdi Hiba of Jerusalem to the king, No. 5
http//prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/labaya_files/labaya.htm
To the king my lord, message from Abdi-Heba, your servant. At the feet of the king my lord I throw myself, seven and seven times. Look, Milki-Ilu does not separate himself from the sons of Lab'aya and the sons of Arzaya, in the desire of the king's land for themselves. A regent who commits a similar act, why does the king not interrogate him? Look, Milki-Ilu and Tagi, the action which they have committed is this, that they took Rubuta. And now Jerusalem if this land belongs to the king, then why ever -- while Gaza remained the king's -- look the land of Ginti-kirmil to Tagi and the men of Ginti are the garrison at Beth-Shean!? Should we do as Lab'aya, who gave Shechem to the enemy {habiru}? Milki-Ilu wrote to Tagi and to the sons "Be men! Give to the men of Qiltu that which they desire! Let us abandon Jerusalem!" The garrison troops that you sent, by the hand of Haya son of Miyare, were taken by Addaya, and he put them in his house at Gaza, and sent twenty men to Egypt. Let the king know that there are no garrison troops with me. So live the king, his nobleman. Pawuru has left me and is at Gaza. May the king remember, with him (Pawuru) before him. May the king send fifty garrison men to protect the land. All the king's land deserted! Send Yanhamu, who knows the land of the king. To the scribe of the king , message of Abdi-Heba your esrvant. Present good words before the king. I would really die for you, I am your servant!
http//digital2.library.ucla.edu/cdli/viewCdliItem.do?arkId=21198/zz001zxjwk
1 -na LUGAL-ri EN-ia
2 um-ma mIR3-i-ba mIR3-ka-
3 a-na 2 GIR3.ME? EN-ia am-
4 7-ta-a-an u3 7-ta-a-an
5 a-mur mmil-ki-lim la-a i-pa-a-
6 i?-tu DUMU.ME? la-ab-a-ya u3
7 DUMU.ME? ar-sa3-wa a-na e-ri-?i
8 KUR LUGAL-ri a-na ?a-?u-nu
9 LU2 a-zi-a-nu ?a e-pa-a? ip-?a an-ni-wa
10 am-mi-nim LUGAL-ri la-a ?a-al-?u
11 a-mur mmil-ki-lim u3 mta-gi
12 ip-?u ?a e-pu-?u an-ni-wa
13 e-nu-ma la-qi2-?i URU ru-bu-ta.KI
14 u3 i-na-an-na URU u-ru-sa-lim.KI
15 ?um-ma i-ba-a?-?i KUR an-ni-tu
16 a-na LUGAL-ri am-mi-nim <ne> e-nu-ma
17 URU a-za-tiki a-na LUGAL-ri ?a-ak-na-at
18 a-mur KUR URU gin2-ti-ki-ir-mi-il.KI
19 a-na mta-gi u3 LU2.ME? URU gin2-ti.KI
20 ma-ar-tu2 i-na E2-sa-a-ni i-ba-a?-?i
21 u3 lu ni-pu-u?-mi e-nu-ma
22 <DUMU.ME??> mla-ab-a-ya
23 u3 KUR ?a-ak-mi i-din-nu
24 a-na LU2.ME? a-pi2-ri.KI
25 mmil-ki-lim ?a-par a-na ta-gi
26 u3 DUMU.ME? <la-ab-ba-yi> lu-u2 a!-mi-la-tu-nu
27 id-nu-mi gab2-bi e-ri-i?-ti-?u-nu
28 a-na LU2.ME? qi2-il-ti.KI
29 u3 lu-u2 ni-ip-u2-ur URU u-ru-sa-lim.KI
30 LU2.ME? ma-ar-ta5.ME? ?a tu-ma-?e-er
31 i-na ?U ma-ya DUMU mi-ia-re-e
32 la-qe2-mi mad-da-ya ?a-ka-an
33 i-na E2-?u i-na URU a-za-ti.KI
34 20 LU2.ME? a-na KUR mi-i-ri.KI
35 u2-ma-?e-er lu-u2 -te-mi LUGAL-ri
36 ia-a-nu-mi LU2.ME? ma-ar-tu4 LUGAL-ri it-ti-ia
37 ki-na-an-na li-ib-lu-u LUGAL-ri
38 lu-u2 ir-pi2-?u mpu-u2-ru
39 pa-a-ar i-na ma-a-ri-ia
40 i-na URU a-za-ti i-ba-a?-?i
41 u3 li-iz-kur2 LUGAL-ri i-na pa-ni-?u
42 u3 lu-ma-?e-er LUGAL 50 LU2.ME?
43 ma-ar-ta a-na na-a-ar KUR
44 gab2-bi KUR LUGAL-ri pa-a-ra-
45 mu-?e-ra myi-<<i>>-en-a-mu
46 u3 li-te KUR LUGAL-ri
47 a-na LU2 tup2-?ar LUGAL-ri
48 -ma mIR3-i-ba IR3-
49 a-wa-tu2.ME? ba-na-
50 i-din-mi a-na LUGAL-ri ma-at-ti ma-gal
51 a-na ka-ta5 IR3-ka a-na-ku -
Peace All...
Actually, I would prefer that this thread be only used by pazuzu and locked to anyone else until he has the chance to expose all the details he has completely and in full...
then after that we can have an opportunity to debate and check out the information...
there are still some very serious issues I want to hear about, the most salient one being
Did Mohamed (PSTH and the other Prophets) emigrate to Yathrib, and complete Allah's Message (The Quran) there? ...
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Peace NOMAD -- what logical ideas?
All he does is post perpetual stories/assertions hardly responds to questions or evidence posted to him.The Amarna letters, a collection of correspondence between various states and Egypt found in the remains of the ancient city of Akhetaten date around 1370 BCE completely destroy his theory.
Salaam Noon
On many occasions I have found your input to be well researched, but here I see you hinging your argument on a single document, which you say was dated around 1370 BCE, and claim what you have is more authentic then the maps and other documents given by Pazazu.
I suggest that a little humbless may be in order; it may enable you to see that Pazazu is only using Al Qu'ran as the basis for his findings. I have also seen some very good programmes on archeology in Palestine which confirmed that, despite extensive digging no evidence of a major city in the vicinity of Jerusalem has been found.
In Yemen they have excavated city where mud dwellings with baths to purify and it fitted jewish rituals. I am sure if you do bit of search you will find out about it.
Jerusalem is said to be located in a mountainous area, so tell me if you see any mountains there.
Also tell me why did the Saudies started building high rises in a supposedly holy place, and when you build you dig deeply into the ground; did they find any sign of ruined cities, about which its says in the Qur'an 'you walk by them daily etc.peace
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Peace All...
Actually, I would prefer that this thread be only used by pazuzu and locked to anyone else until he has the chance to expose all the details he has completely and in full...
then after that we can have an opportunity to debate and check out the information...
there are still some very serious issues I want to hear about, the most salient one being
Did Mohamed (PSTH and the other Prophets) emigrate to Yathrib, and complete Allah's Message (The Quran) there? ...
or is Yathrib a part of Yemen too? LOL! o
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Salam Noon dhe Plume handshake
...IF YOU CAN GIVE ME THIS 7 ANSWERS WITH LOGICAL... MAYBE I GIVE YOU YOUR CHANCE, Until then i would apreciatte if you let brother Pazuzu keep going, in the way of edducation and diplomacy D... and at the end i will ask you for your answers again D .... I hope and i dont want to make a personal atack on you, ITS a education matter to listen untill the end what brother Pazuzu trying to explain and if you read all posts again you can see some very interesting facts that we must search before we discard.. ...PAZUZU uses AlQuran.. and You marnama pillars... its OK ....
So your questions peace are
1Do the countless Egyptian excavations, archeological sites and unearthed heritage show any evidence or reference to a non-Egyptian figure named "Abraham" who alleged to have resided in Egypt anytime between the years 1800 and 1700 B.C? &
2 Is there any evidence suggesting that a non-Egyptian figure named Yusuf assumed a treasurer position around1600 B.C.? &
3 Does any ancient Egyptian papyrus or manuscript mention anything about an Israeli leader named Moses who confronted one of the prominent Egyptian kings around 1300 B.C? &
4 Do the Egyptian ancient documents mention that the king who confronted Moses drowned in the red sea 400 km from his capital or even the Nile River or any other watercourse? &
5 Are there any traces of references found in the thousands of ancient Egyptian scripts mentioning the detailed biblical exodus of more than half a million people around the year 1300 B.C? &
6 Does any papyrus refer to the famous miraculous sea-crossing of more than half a million fleeing people? &
7 Have any reference been found between the years 5000 and 32 B.C. indicating that the kings of Egypt were called or referred to as "Pharos" other than the dubious "big house" notion? &
NEED SOME HELP? read/reflect on this http//www.tajdeed.org/article.aspx?id=10334 hmm
SALAM TO ALL.. group and please keep going Pazuzu ;D
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No, Yathrib (Iathrippa - as its name appears on the old maps) is NOT in Yemen.
Furthermore, the ISRA'A of Muhamad (the night journey), was no diferent than the Isra'a made by many of the prophets before him. Whenever persecution by the disbelievers reached its peak, Allah commanded them to pack their gear and leave. And they always left in secret, without attracting attenton. (Hence the word "Isra'a", which is derived from the root "srr", which means secret).
Moses did an Isra'a (left the Citadel at night). Also, Lut did an Isra'a (left the doomed town, and his wife stayed behind and perished). The Isra'a of Muhamad was no different.
@Noon dhe plume
Yes, the Amarna pillars DO mention "Ur' Shalim". The question is WHICH "Jerusalem" was it??
Soon I will show you IRREFUTABLE proofs that the ancient EGYPTIANS did many excursions into Arabia, and vied for the control of the Red Sea coast with the Assyrians. Among the Egytptian kings who ventured into Arabia are the Lybian-Egyptian monarch Sheshonk, as we shall later see.
The Isra'a journey is the HIJRA itself. And it was NOT to Palestine.
Peace...
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Peace Everyone peace
A point i want to make is that 1) what was the kingdom of Queen sheeba, cannot be the "Blessed" land. -
I never said the Kingdom of Sheba was the "blessed land".
The blessed land is ASIR, directly to the north of Yemen. It was outside the boundaries of Sulayman's kingdom. Asir is the most fertile and greenest spot of land in all of Arabia, and is known for its gold deposits. I will show you photos of the land of Asir, and you will not believe your eyes that there are such places in Arabia. You will think the photos are in Europe somewhere.
If you think Arabia is all desert, you are greatly mistaken.
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Peace IMHO,
On many occasions I have found your input to be well researched, but here I see you hinging your argument on a single document, which you say was dated around 1370 BCE, and claim what you have is more authentic then the maps and other documents given by Pazazu.
I suggest that a little humbless may be in order; it may enable you to see that Pazazu is only using Al Qu'ran as the basis for his findings.How is this Qu?ran only? E.g. where did he get his facts that migration occurred in 4th Century BCE?
Quote from Pazuzu
The silent truth that has been uncovered for you, brothers and sisters, is that the current city of Al-Quds did not become known as "Jerusalem" until as late as the 4th Century BC, when it achieved the semblance of a city, and the Jewish migrations northward from Arabia had settled it, and carried with them the name of the original Jerusalem of Yemen ??Ur? Salem?. (This is a well-known process called ?tayammun?, in which tribes or groups of people move to settle in new lands, and carry with them names from their old homes to their new home. I will show you many examples later on, dozens of names of mountains, cities, and valleys in the Levant which are in fact copies of the exact same names found in Yemen, where they originated. And these will be a great shock to many of you).
Fact is one can claim the opposite happened with evidence reading The Amarna letters/tablets unless one is convinced they too are a conspiracy along with everything else dug up in Egypt.
The document is only one or two and many other points raised; issue with this thread is once a point is made we cannot continued further until resolved or we agreed to revisit otherwise we get nowhere.
I have also seen some very good programmes on archeology in Palestine which confirmed that, despite extensive digging no evidence of a major city in the vicinity of Jerusalem has been found.
If you want to study this point thoroughly open a separate thread; also what you expect to find?
Here I?ll post this again taken from a different historical document Sennacherib Prism Column 3Approximate Date 689 BCE
http//www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/meso/sennprism1.htmlhttp//www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/meso/sennprism3.html
18 As for Hezekiah the Judahite, 19 who did not submit to my yoke forty-six of his strong, walled cities, as well as 20 the small towns in their area, 21 which were without number, by levelling with battering-rams 22 and by bringing up seige-engines, and by attacking and storming on foot, 23 by mines, tunnels, and breeches, I besieged and took them. 24 200,150 people, great and small, male and female, 25 horses, mules, asses, camels, 26 cattle and sheep without number, I brought away from them 27 and counted as spoil. (Hezekiah) himself, like a caged bird 28 I shut up in Jerusalem, his royal city.
In Yemen they have excavated city where mud dwellings with baths to purify and it fitted jewish rituals. I am sure if you do bit of search you will find out about it.
They have Jews all across the mid-east; please provide proof of the age of Jewish mud baths/dwelling.
Jerusalem is said to be located in a mountainous area, so tell me if you see any mountains there.
Said who?
Also tell me why did the Saudies started building high rises in a supposedly holy place, and when you build you dig deeply into the ground; did they find any sign of ruined cities, about which its says in the Qur'an 'you walk by them daily etc.
Again, separate issue; let?s break it down as any problem to it's simplest first deal with one at a time with what we know i.e. above historical documents ? do you agree that Jerusalem was mentioned in correspondences between Egypt and neighboring kingdoms in 1370 and again in 689 BCE?
@Noon dhe plume
Yes, the Amarna pillars DO mention "Ur' Shalim". The question is WHICH "Jerusalem" was it??
Thank you Pazuzu, finally agreement then read the letters and the areas mentioned.
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@Noon dhe plume
I am different from you, and prefer to read everything pazuzu has to say... and then analyse it as a whole...
and hope you can suspend your judgement until this is finished...
just a view and a method of conducting what may be called webinars (equivalent to seminars, but over the web)
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The blessed land is ASIR, directly to the north of Yemen. It was outside the boundaries of Sulayman's kingdom. Asir is the most fertile and greenest spot of land in all of Arabia, and is known for its gold deposits. I will show you photos of the land of Asir, and you will not believe your eyes that there are such places in Arabia. You will think the photos are in Europe somewhere.
There's some greenery indeed!
http//photo.accuweather.com/photogallery/2009/5/500/2dc173491.jpg
http//www.waleg.com/travel/images/asir-mountains.jpg
http//ttc-ad4.com/Travel/images/stories/Asir/061518_t168.jpg