We look to the SUNNA?
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The messenger is the quran dude...
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Salalm and Peace!
The messenger is the quran dude...
Rightly said!
The Messenger is "The Message" itself.
The Messenger is connected with "The Message".
In the absence of "The Message",-----Muhammad was Muhammad, and not a Messenger.With "The Message", Muhammad became the Messenger.
Obey the Messenger by following "The Message" he brought.
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Salam.
It is true that Allah asked the believers to come to the messenger to solve disputes, that is judge for them. The messenger should be obeyed. However, let us not CONCEAL the Ayaats of Allah. Ever heard of Surah Maeda ???? Or simply stopped reading Quran upon finding the 4 words "Obey Allah and Obey the messenger" ?
544 We have sent down the Torah, in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Devotees, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Book of God, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.
545 And We have decreed for them in it that a life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and wounds to be similar; and whoever remits anything of it, then it will cancel sins for him. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.
547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
548 And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.
549 And judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires, and beware lest they divert you away from some of what God has sent down to you. If they turn away, then know that God wants to inflict them with some of their sins; and many of the people are wicked.
550 Is it the judgment of the days of ignorance that they seek? Who is better than God as a judge for a people who comprehend?
These verse alone does the job for me, Shahriah can only come from Qur'an, the fully detailed book. Unless you claim that there are other secondary revelations inspired to Muhammad, which makes the case more confusing for both his followers and him to constantly sort out the primary revelations from the secondary ones. But that isnt why I am against such ideas. If you really believe there is any secondary revelation, show us the proof if you are truthful. Otherwise fear Allah, not your favorite set of Ulemas !!
PEACE
-------------------- Student of Allah
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Peace,
I disagree with you layth. If in there is another source besides the quran that we have to follow, and that the quran tells us to follow this source, it does not make the quran incomplete since he told you to follow this source. Telling you to follow this source or to make the informations contained in this source inside the quran is the same since we have to follow these informations.
Maybe i'm wrong
peace,
GoldenlegendI would have to agree with this statement. After all, aren't Arabic lexicons "another source" besides the Qur'an? Yet we go to them to understand the Arabic language, and we need to understand the language in order understand the Qur'an (and the Qur'an confirms that we should).
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I would have to agree with this statement. After all, aren't Arabic lexicons "another source" besides the Qur'an? Yet we go to them to understand the Arabic language, and we need to understand the language in order understand the Qur'an (and the Qur'an confirms that we should).
Another Source means "Another Source of Law", which is not possible, because there is only one Source of Law, i.e. Allah's Quran.
Arabic lexicon is not a source of law, it is indeed a help to understand "The Only Source of Law".
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Another Source means "Another Source of Law", which is not possible, because there is only one Source of Law, i.e. Allah's Quran.
Arabic lexicon is not a source of law, it is indeed a help to understand "The Only Source of Law".
You missed my point. My point was that the Qur'an is not incomplete if it authorizes another source for us, and Sunnis believe that it does.
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Hadith Isa ;
When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute therefore fear Allah and obey me. Quran 4363Hadith Musa ;
Then, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book , to complete (Our Favour) upon those who would do right, and explaining all things in detail and a guidance and a mercy that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord. Quran 6154What verse can refute verses above from referring to Jews Hadith,Tanakh and Christian Hadith, Deutrorcanonical?
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You missed my point. My point was that the Qur'an is not incomplete if it authorizes another source for us, and Sunnis believe that it does.
Salam!
Allah does not Authorize another source with His Exalted Quran.
Allah does not like Shirk.
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I would have to agree with this statement. After all, aren't Arabic lexicons "another source" besides the Qur'an? Yet we go to them to understand the Arabic language, and we need to understand the language in order understand the Qur'an (and the Qur'an confirms that we should).
I would have to disagree. An arab lexicon cannot by itself make Divine laws like hadith can. The only divine source, where Allah is speaking, is the Quran.
I agree with Layth's approach to answer a question with a question.
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The problem with ccamurads thinking is that he thinks the prophet explained The Quran with his own words.
But ccamurad has to understand that the Quran is the explanation. The Prophet simply recites it. That is how he explained.If you, ccamurad, is more interested in the truth that bent on upholding sectarian teachings, you might begin to see that truth. Unfortunately most sectarians seem to rather use religious texts, to read their own sectarian mindset into it. If they love these hadith-papers, that is just a sign of an offensive mind to begin with.
REMEMBER that God is infinitely intelligent. Loving this God, seems to be harshly in conflict with the crude intelligence of hadith-papers.
Who do you think was in the best position to explain Quran? are you suggested that the Prophet(saW) was a mere puppet who had no understanding of what was being revealed to him??
The Quran indicating that the sunnah of the Prophet(saw) is to be followed in addition doesnt mean the Quran is incomplete, there may be very good reasons for there needing to be an authority on earth to turn to for guidence, so people can be rightly guided after the Prophets(saw) death and not left to their own whims and individual interpretation of Quran.
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Salam and Peace on you!
Who do you think was in the best position to explain Quran? are you suggested that the Prophet(saW) was a mere puppet who had no understanding of what was being revealed to him??
Indeed, the Messenger was the best to explain Al-Quran.
And he explained Al-Quran from within Al-Quran, because Allah declared that He Himself did the Tafseer of His Exalted Quran.
So when Allah Himself has done The Tafseer of His Own Quran, then all of us are bound to understand Al-Quran with the help of the Tafseer (Explanations) that Allah Himself has done.
And this is what the Messenger did, explaining Al-Quran within Al-Quran.Indeed, the Messenger, although he did the explanations of Al-Quran from within Al-Quran, yet he must have done this in his own words.
It means, there are two explanations of Al-Quran.
One, is the Tafseer (Explanations) that Allah Himself did, and that is within Al-Quran, and in Allah's Protection.Second, the explanations that the Messenger did, are in the words of the Messenger, but that is not in Allah's Protection.
No one can ever find the explanations of Al-Quran that the Messenger did, because Allah did not declare to Protect the explanations of Al-Quran that the Messenger did.
Allah left the explanations of Al-Quran done by the Messenger, unProtected, and thus let it lost forever.No one can find the exact words of the explanations of Al-Quran made by the Messenger, because they are lost, because Allah did not Protect them.
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It is clear form the above fact, that before Allah, His Own Quran (whose Tafseer Allah Himself made, and which is within Al-Quran) is more important,-------that is why Allah took It in His Protection.
And the explanations of Al-Quran, that the Messenger did, was not important, and thus Allah did not take them in His Protection, and thus let them disappear for ever.But the question is, why did Allah let the explanations of Al-Quran made by the Messenger (or more precisely, the implementation of Al-Quran done by the Messenger), disappear by not taking them in His Protection???
Because, Allah's Exalted Quran (along with Its Tafseer that Allah Himself made, and which is Safe in Al-Quran Itself) is more important before Allah,--- because Al-Quran is for all times and for all the generations of mankind, and for all environments.
Whereas, the explanations of Al-Quran made by the Messenger (or the implementation of Al-Quran done by the Messenger) was specific for the people who lived in a specific time, environment and the things they used.
If you try to implement the same old Sharia (laws derived from Al-Quran) of the Messenger's time, in your own time, environment and on the things that you use in your life, --- you will be confused.
Because many things that the Messenger and Sahaba would use, can not be found today. So the Derived-laws (from The Law, Al-Quran), can not be implemented in the absense of those ancient things.So, those Derived-laws (from Allah's Law) are clearly not universal, ----but Allah's Law (Al-Quran which was the source of those Derived-laws) is universal (for all times, all generations and all things people would be inventing and using until Al-Qiyamah).----- so, every generation will make its own Derived-laws (from Allah's Revealed Laws) to suit its own time.
So, what Derived-laws (from Al-Quran) we will made for us, will certainly be changed in the future time.
The Quran indicating that the sunnah of the Prophet(saw) is to be followed in addition doesnt mean the Quran is incomplete, there may be very good reasons for there needing to be an authority on earth to turn to for guidence, so people can be rightly guided after the Prophets(saw) death and not left to their own whims and individual interpretation of Quran.
Al-Quran Itself tells us what the Messenger himself followed.
Allah Commanded uf to follow what the Messenger followed, and never Commanded us to follow what the Messenger implemented in his specific time.
Al-Quran (Allah's Revealed Laws) is The Criterion (Al-Furqan),---- and not the implementation of the Messenger's time.
The Message that the Messenger brought, -----is for all times,
and the "Implementations of The Message" that the Messenger did in his specific times, is not for all times.==========================
And as such, where in The Quran, we can find the terminology "Sunnatur Rasool" the whole (99.99%) of the Ummah is after???
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The established Sunnah of Allah which has occurred before. And never will you find in the way of Allah any change.People follow Misleading Sunnah, because they think it will help them in Life.(it won't, it doesn't work).
The solution, is too give them True Sunnah that actually help them in life. Like plant your own food & make your own fuel.