The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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One may say that in keeping with the basic perception infolded in the Root one may infer that sitting or location of a thing at one point may after a long period result in its stagnation. But one should never forget that each Arabic word is made/constructed according to a specific "frame" which gives it specific meaning and connotations in addition to the basic meanings infolded in the Root. The word is broken plural, feminine and is the object of the verb. The verb is raising not throwing away.
And in 2460 it is the Subject of the Sentence in nominative case, and their specific trait also defines who these women are. Would one say, "Stagnant subset of women".
Gawa3id is the plural of "ga3ida" which can mean "principle" or "a female" who is immobile. Thus they both share the immobilization. You do not have to translate it into "Stagnant woman", though "stagnant" also means "immobile". It's choice of translation. Arabic has no problem in describing "principles" and "women" in the same manner as you see in both verses.
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Dear IAMOP
You are mixing between the Masjid Haram abd Bayt al- Haram. They are not the same thing.
Peace
Thank you.
Well, we need to observe where Al-Masjid Al Haram meets Bayt Al-Haram.
This for the time being is no other than Mecca. See the power of that cube to draw the entire world's muslims together in a beautiful orbiting lightshow? Thus you see the power of ALLAH to draw us all together.
There is no need to reject sunnah or hadeeth, there is so much wisdom and so much work of our forefathers that went into it. We have a choice waste it or USE it.
A further knowledge of this can be arrived at using the study of lagrangian dynamics. I do not know it yet but basically a Lagrange point is a point of stability in the universe where gravity cancels to zero. If you stand in a Lagrange point you just float.
Mecca is a gravitomagnetic lagrange point which is what creates the unity there. However Mecca is now withering away to reveal the REAL bayt-ul-haram and the REAL Al-Masjid Al-Haram. But do not discount the experiences of all those Muslims who went to Mecca and truly did feel at peace, at unity.
Real islam is knowing how to bow down with those who bow and standing with those who stand. It is a merging of the inner and outer realities to know what truly is REALITY AL-HAQQ.
All praise be to ALLH who is exalted in might and the most wise. Most surely ALLH knows how to draw people together to the right time and place to do the right things, without ALLH who is there that can do this?
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Peace
Thank you.
Well, we need to observe where Al-Masjid Al Haram meets Bayt Al-Haram.
This for the time being is no other than Mecca. See the power of that cube to draw the entire world's muslims together in a beautiful orbiting lightshow? Thus you see the power of ALLAH to draw us all together.
A further knowledge of this can be arrived at using the study of lagrangian dynamics. I do not know it yet but basically a Lagrange point is a point of stability in the universe where gravity cancels to zero. If you stand in a Lagrange point you just float.
Mecca is a gravitomagnetic lagrange point which is what creates the unity there. However Mecca is now withering away to reveal the REAL bayt-ul-haram and the REAL Al-Masjid Al-Haram. But do not discount the experiences of all those Muslims who went to Mecca and truly did feel at peace, at unity.
Real islam is knowing how to bow down with those who bow and standing with those who stand. It is a merging of the inner and outer realities to know what truly is REALITY AL-HAQQ.
All praise be to ALLH who is exalted in might and the most wise. Most surely ALLH knows how to draw people together to the right time and place to do the right things, without ALLH who is there that can do this?
bravo
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Peace
Thank you.
Well, we need to observe where Al-Masjid Al Haram meets Bayt Al-Haram.
This for the time being is no other than Mecca. See the power of that cube to draw the entire world's muslims together in a beautiful orbiting lightshow? Thus you see the power of ALLAH to draw us all together.
Saaam
The underlined sentence alone is proof that whatever you are talking about is definitely not the "Bayt" of God which is for ALL PEOPLE.
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Does this mean that al masjid ul haram is completely different from al bayt ul haram? Since one is for all the people and the other is prohibited to the idolators?
And what about these "mu'mins" the following verse speaks about are they or are they not allowed into al masid ul haram? Who decides?And most of them believe not in Allah without associating partners with Him! (12 106)
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A fact is mentioned. Most of the people believe in Allah have faith and belief in Allah in a manner that side by side they keep associating partners with Allah.
Why shouldn't the same rule apply to your verse?
Both verses were revealed in the same era to the same messenger. Why is one applicable today and the other is left (mahjoura stuck in the past times)?
What about my other questions?
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refers and signifies only those active participles who worship sculpted statues by giving them hypotetical names and declaring them as various Ilaha of people. Some Christians even said that Jesus is but Allah, but they are not called .
The first reply on this issue was only to indicate an exception to this ""Bayt" of God which is for ALL PEOPLE".
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The first reply on this issue was only to indicate an exception to this ""Bayt" of God which is for ALL PEOPLE".
Relying on this understanding of yours, I will consider it as a reply to the first question In your opinion, Bayt haram and masjid haram are completely two different "buildings", and they have to be away from each other, too.
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So how can all the people be allowed into the bayt without coming near the masjid?
The exception/prohibition brought in from a certain point in time. Not allowing nearing Masjid automatically disallows specified people from Albait which can be approached only through first passing into Masjid.
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The exception/prohibition brought in from a certain point in time. Not allowing nearing Masjid automatically disallows specified people from Albait which can be approached only through first passing into Masjid.
You have no right to annul an order by God that the bayt is for all people, mentioned more than once , at the expense of masjid where the order to keep mushriks away from it happened only once, just to establish your specific understanding Nowhere in the qur'aan do we have the bayt meaning the masjid or in its vicinity.
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Salaam Pazuzu,
I come to this Forum only to read your posts.
I agree that the other thread became a circus, and this one is in danger of becoming so, too.
I wish people could spare us their pathetic comments, and have patience to wait for you to expose your claims.
I hope you will have the energy and will to continue giving us the precious and logical explanations and information.I shall use this opportunity to congratulate you on your posts which are logical. very well written, seriously exposed and clearly outlined.
I agree with almost all your claims, and they've helped me to understand many unclear parts of the translations of the Qur'an and Islam.
Thank you!
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Salaam Godsubmitter
I do not know what you mean by the thread became a circus. I do not think discussing the masjid or bayt are alien to the subject. If "Muslims" believe that the hajj in its present form was practiced by Muhammad, then he must have been in Mecca. Just saying I do not believe Mecca existed is not enough as long as there is no evidence. Actually, this "circus" you are talking about, here or in the other thread, is full of more evidence than bro Pazuzu submitted, and they could be very helpful to him since he is researching. They do not have to support his theory to be beneficial. In my opinion, those who clap and show complete support without even discussing anything do him more bad than good.
Moreover, we are writing, not talking so that Pazuzu or anyone waits for the us to calm down. He can continue with his thread and later respond to the questions. But neither you nor anyone else has the right to silence people. The thread has not been hijacked by a theme that has nothing to do with where Muhammad is. If Pazuzu wanted to finish his thread without giving others the opportunity to discuss it, he could have posted it all at once. -
If Pazuzu wanted to finish his thread without giving others the opportunity to discuss it, he could have posted it all at once.
As Layeth has done it recently. I may propose that he may put all his article in one go, which might not involve more effort on his part than cut and paste from his computer, by opening a new thread titled the same. And I am sure that thereby his admirers would also not have pass comments like "haphazardly".
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You have no right to annul an order by God that the bayt is for all people, mentioned more than once , at the expense of masjid where the order to keep mushriks away from it happened only once, just to establish your specific understanding Nowhere in the qur'aan do we have the bayt meaning the masjid or in its vicinity.
In about 1400 years billions of people have located the Albait in more or less the middle of the Masjid. If that understanding and physical evidencing is incorrect, and the available structures of both are in different cities or states, that needs to be identified.
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In about 1400 years billions of people have located the Albait in more or less the middle of the Masjid. If that understanding and physical evidencing is incorrect, and the available structures of both are in different cities or states, that needs to be identified.
Not billions of people but in fact hardly a few "Muslim scholars" alleged that a small room somewhere is a bayt of God and the mass of Muslims just followed. What's more interesting is that no messenger of God after Ibrahim (presuming that Ibrahim and his son raised its foundation) has visited this" bayt of God" nor did their followers. God has not told us that those people were wrong for not having visited "His bayt". He told us that they prayed, gave charity, believed in Him only and even fasted, but never visited this "bayt", simply because it is not a structure or a location.
Another point "Mecca" has been ignored, not just by other religions, but also by Muslim rulers themselves. They set their capital in Damascus from the era of Omar Ibn ul Khatab on, and it was never the capital for any of them. Even the Prophet did not bother to live in it after the conquest although it's alleged that he was born there. How can we believe that such a town existed and contained a bayt of God?