"Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations

Noon_dhe_plume

Salaam NDP
After today?s post I will not be communicating with you until my confidence in your posts has been restored, so I will ask you for the last time; have you even read Pazuzu?s posts with an open mind?

Salaam IMHO,

Yes. His posts have ZERO evidence only conjecture and hearsay. Example incense burner?

http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig01_aramaic.htm

600 BCE Aramaic cannot find where they dug it up, most probably in N. Arabia

http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/medium/color_md_jpeg/fig01_c_md.jpg

He claimed it was found in Yemen and ?baffled archaeologists..." yet when Samia asked him to prove it, nothing.
Earliest Arabic writings date 1st century BCE, pre 150 CE, and Namarah inscription of 328 CE

http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions

There was no evidence presented from Yemen.

If so you will have seen several ayahs from the Qur?an, which indisputably support his version.

Verses and evidence please?

However it is the unhistorical narrative of the Bible that some ?followers? of the Qur?an blindly accept, and for that reason it is imperative to employ those very accounts to refute the bogus history that?s been imposed on us. Also Jews and Christians do not uphold the Qur?an and therefore it is nonsensical to call it ?bible nonsense?.

I don't follow bible hadith since one cannot tell what is fabricated and much of it is nonsense.
Therefore, dismissed as evidence http//www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Shall I remind you what the reporter said towards the end of part 5 of the documentary ?King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone?, posted by abuamrrami? He said ?It is a deeply shocking revelation and beyond that there is something even more disturbing; the forgers were playing on the desire of millions of people to see the bible confirmed as history, it?s an immensely cruel and cynical thing to have done?.

So they arrested a fake Israeli archeologist; post evidence from Yemen please?

Sadly I also felt that some ?followers? of the Qur?an were attempting to twist the ayats of the holy Qur?an to fit their preconceived notions (which were actually received from the Bible!) examples A garden scene with a pool fragment of a wall painting from an ancient Egyptian tomb, built around 1350 BCE

Qur?an clearly refuted you in the other thread which you claimed and erroneously translated...

? Quote from IMHO on November 20, 2011, 013855 PM
?We levelled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected
What could be greater work than Prymids ?

4425 how many they left from gardens and water pools
4426 and corn fields and places noble
4427 and pleasant things they were in it taking delight

Salaams Brother??
I'm amazed to see 'believers', I take it you regard yourself as one? behave like cock sure atheists, or convicted felons, in aggressive denial although they have no foot to stand on, and nothing to back up their denial. "Nope it wasn't me!" Impressive. wow nope

Salaam -- perhaps you like to tell us what evidence or "facts" that you found most compelling?

NOMAD

specialy for NDP and Mahzar wich are here only to voodoo basicly with no much respect

rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl are you jelous? Until you dont bring concrete evidences there will be no bravo bravo cheearliding for you..know why brothers? because i bravo not Pazuzu but what he brought to us) what is much and far better acurate and near the truth, than the same old farytalles...

whatever theres plenty of sites on the www for you and foruns where u can post your stuff and people will surly cheearleeder bravo you for you blindness > hail
nothing more to say and may Allah guide Us All

And i say again THANKS PAZUZU bravo bravo bravo
... rotfl

GROAN

Salaam -- perhaps you like to tell us what evidence or "facts" that you found most compelling?

I'll tell you what I find compelling; your evasive reasoning and contrariness has made you and Mazhar completely irrelevant to this discussion, and for that reason I feel compelled to ignore any further posts from the pair of you. nope

Noon_dhe_plume

^^ Thank you for the compliments; I'm in good company with Mazhar.

I leave you to your cheer-leading prancing up and down in ignorance.

Mazhar

^^ Thank you for the compliments; I'm in good company with Mazhar.

I leave you to your cheer-leading prancing up and down in ignorance.

Leave, because they are brought in under fake identities but is the same person, the author. That is why I asked let someone check the IPs. And check the list of posts that they have not contributed except clap signs. Noon, better not to waste the time.

huruf

So, according to you which are those nics that have the same IP?

NOMAD

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Re "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
? Reply #94 on Today at 010924 AM ?

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Quote from Noon dhe plume on Yesterday at 084541 PM

^^ Thank you for the compliments; I'm in good company with Mazhar.

I leave you to your cheer-leading prancing up and down in ignorance.

Leave, because they are brought in under fake identities but is the same person, the author. That is why I asked let someone check the IPs. And check the list of posts that they have not contributed except clap signs. Noon, better not to waste the time.

pelase check my Ip, and has u can see im formLisbon Portugal, and if u want you can come here to see if its the Author..(pazuzu)
and now for you delight ill speak in portuguese with u
voces os 2 s?o uns cornos atrasados mentais vao mas ? levar no befe um do outro seus baytola viado ces n tem onde cair morto, n vale 1 real xapa ent?o se liga na parada k o bagui aki ? serio viu? ces sao otario mesmo vei...
! want translation go to dicctionary? maybe u cant find is Prortugues brasilian Slang? rotfl

And by the way dont forget u got an IP too...Piracy on the web is verrrrrry easy...WATCH OUT maybe your Voddooo attitude can cause u hurt 1 day

we are just waiting for both of you to go away and then we will bravo cheerleder your ....ciao

TO the others sorry but this 2 are completly brickwall..............
they are jelous of cheerleaders rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

huruf

Is there any conclusive evidence from any ancient Egytian sources of a man named Yusuf who was a minister to a king Egypt during a seve-seven succession with great success.?

Is there any conclusive evidence of a Musa and a Harun and sister(s) who defied a paraoh and left Egypt with a big population and caused a great defeat and the death of said paraoh?

Is there any conclusive evidence of any such population of descendants of Yusuf and brothers at any time in Egypt?

Salaam

IMHO

Is there any conclusive evidence from any ancient Egytian sources of a man named Yusuf who was a minister to a king Egypt during a seve-seven succession with great success.?

Is there any conclusive evidence of a Musa and a Harun and sister(s) who defied a paraoh and left Egypt with a big population and caused a great defeat and the death of said paraoh?

Is there any conclusive evidence of any such population of descendants of Yusuf and brothers at any time in Egypt?

Salaam

NDP says he rejects the bible; ask HIM what evidence does he have, from the Qur'an, that the Jerusalem in Palestine housed the sacred Majid Aqsa, and who guided Omar ibn al Khattab to the sacred site?

Mazhar and NPD refuse to answer any questions; instead they question you demanding that you confirm what Pazuzu has already confirmed to them, and then they tell everyone else that they are fools to pay any attention to Pazuzu's posts unless they are his cronies ???. NDP ignored my last posts in "Who was the Pharoah of Moses" search thread, which clearly showed how wrong was been in his interpretation of the Qur'an and then he and Mazher started again in this thread; very immature behaviour.

It's the first time that I seriously followed Pazuzu's threads, and so far I have found him to be on solid grounds, but still I am reading his posts with a critical eye and would not hesitate to point out anything objectionable in my openion.
May Allah(swt) guide us to the right path.
peace

Mazhar

It's the first time that I seriously followed Pazuzu's threads, and so far I have found him to be on solid grounds, but still I am reading his post with a critical eye and would not hesitate to point out anything objectionable in my openion.

We may also be enlightened about the finding and solid grounds for that finding, in single lines.

1.Finding No. 1...............Solid ground

GROAN

Leave, because they are brought in under fake identities but is the same person, the author. That is why I asked let someone check the IPs. And check the list of posts that they have not contributed except clap signs. Noon, better not to waste the time.

Salaam Joker

This must be THE most ridiculous accusation ever! If I've understood it right Pazuzu is Lebanese and, as it turns out, I'm Swedish, so if we're indeed the same person that must be the most serious case ever of split personality. Please do check the IPs because you have me worried now! rotfl yay

huruf

The thing is that I do not recollect that anybody has mentioned or quoted any reference whatsoever from ancient Egyptian sources giving any notice of those three things that I request in my messages.

If there were, in whatever extent there would be some confirmation of the bible story, which is taken as proof that what the Qur'an says is what is what we have assumed from the Bible.

Up to now the only evidence, if it is evidence of anyu concordance between the Qur'an and the Bible in regard to what Pazuzu has claimed in his messages is the amarna tablets. Those prove that there were in amarna some records of letters adressed to some king of Miis-ri. It is taken for granted that the Miisri, whatever the spelling was, is the same Misr alluded to in the Qur'an, and there is no other proof and a certain column which is of the same import.

However, there are other possible meanings for the Misr in the Qur'an and reasons to believe that other meanings might apply. So, suppose we say then we need further proof. Yes we need further proof for those stories of the bible or those stories brought up by Pazuzu.

I put forward some arguments for which I find reasonable in general the conclusions reached by Pazuzu that neither Egypt nor Palestine are immediately concerned by those narratives of the Qur'an assumed to concern the same stories narrated in the Bible.

By that till somebody brings better proof, I stand. The Qur'an is not subservient to the Bible. And the Qur'an makes much more sense in a general sense if we leave out Egypt and Palestine as the land of Yusuf, Musa and Solomon. If somebody finds certain unusual conclusions ridiculous, fine. I can live with that. The earth revolves around the sun was very ridiculous in its time, because it is obvious that it is the sun that revolves around the earth. And nobody believes today the official version of 11s, but I was insulted to boredom when I said that what that version purported was ridiculous when it happened.

It takes time for the sense of reality to drip.

So no name calling is going to convince anybody of anything. Just somewhere in ancient Egyptian history that uniquivocally relates the Egyptian side of Yusuf, Musa, Harun, exodus, etc.

Salaam

IMHO

Salaam Sis Huruf
I too have been asking the same questions, but how could they reply when there is ZERO evidence to back up their belief, so instead they resort to mocking everyone who has been convinced by Pazuzu's presentation. This is unworthy of a believer in God and the Qur'an.
Pazuzu has not finished his posts yet but what from what I can deduce from his posts so far; there is no evidence that Jerusealem in Palestine and Egypt of today have any authentication from the Quran.

As for 9/11 on the day it happened I laughed at the coordination of the Sunni bunch nope In those days USA commanded enough respect that no one could believe they could do that to their own citizens, so I was mocked as well as warned and harrassed for going against the majority view.
Look at the consequences of accepting 9/11 story blindly http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSk4-EhjwU&NR=1
part 8 of 11parts
peace

noble

Peace all

Those who have been granted wisdom, insight, knowledge and faith in Allah's are indeed immensely fortunate...

When Arabs came to Mohammed saying they will do him a favour by believing and witnessing he was Allah's Prophet, an ayat came from Allah at lightning speed telling them that was not true... and that only Allah and the Believers knew Mohammed was Allah's Messenger...
he further told them instead to say we submit (and swear allegiance to Allah's Deen/System), and perchance Belief will later enter their hearts...

The above is a lesson in humility... may we learn from it...

If one cannot appreciate the truth when it is presented to him/her, only Allah can open their eyes to it... let's not forget that most of us are brainwashed / hypnotised by the master of deceit, Satan... He does exist you know, and he is not human...

GODsubmitter

Thanx for the remarks theNabster

YankeeDoodle

Excellent once again Paz!Sealed and Delivered.

Mazhar

Request is repeated

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It's the first time that I seriously followed Pazuzu's threads, and so far I have found him to be on solid grounds, but still I am reading his post with a critical eye and would not hesitate to point out anything objectionable in my openion.

We may also be enlightened about the finding and solid grounds for that finding, in single lines.

1.Finding No. 1...............Solid ground

Ashraf

I now know why Zionists are desperate to find anything to prove their claims to Palestine.

King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlBI8ENkqk

This documentary exposed a ring of syndicate comprise of shrewd antiques businessman, Oded Golan and his associates from Israel, Palestine as well Egypt, with specialize role such as artist, scientist, archeologist and biblical scholar.

Even the top nerd scientiest and reknown professors are being fooled, by Oded Golan. The hero scientist in this programme is the "cowboy" archeologist Prof Yuval Goren.

full programme transcript here
http//www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/solomon_trans.shtml

Prof Frankelstein made his opinion very clear that "nothing monumental" evidence available to support the existence of Temple of Solomon (as well Israel occupation) except "pottery shells and wall here and there maybe.."

What i learn from this video is that, archelogical evidence can be forged by the professionals. "Patina" (weathered layer of stones) of artifacts can be concocted in the workshop to fool of even top scientiest and scholars in this case. Only after rigorous "stone DNA" analysis conducted by Prof Yuval, the scam was exposed.

So we have to be careful on artifacts evidence presented in this forum all this while, as artifacts business is sophisticated, financially lucrative and politically appealling to interested parties.

Thanks to Abuamrrami.

Peace.

noble

Peace Bro pazuzu,

what is missing is

"who are the Misrim? what is their identity / lineage? are they semites i.e. Arabs / Children of Ibrahim? or are they from east africa?..."

have you decided to delay exposing their identity until you reveal other matters? i.e. Ibrahim's journey?

abuamrrami

-Peace

There is an excellent book by the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand called ?the invention of the jewish people?, his conclusions were that exodus didn?t take place and the Romans didn?t expel the jews. http//www.amazon.ca/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322402921&sr=8-1

There is a Radio interview with Shlomo Sand
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjF6tOlNagk
He has a complete lecture by Shlomo Sand also http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmvANgw9Mk

Without serious excavations in Saudi Arabia the stories of the bible ( Solomon, David, Moses, Exodus.. etc) will remain a myth since there is no archeological evidence to support their existence in Palestine.

Isareli government is not happy with these University professors and the heads of Israeli antiquities authority, this why they wants to start interfering with the appointments of the antiquity authority

http//www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/scholars-slam-bill-to-change-makeup-of-israel-antiquities-authority-1.397918