Can shaytan take on a human form acording to Qur'an?

Paradox_Uncreated

You had many fights with satan? Allah is one, that should be sufficient. Or say "I worship Allah alone". And if he`s still around, "Allah is one, and to him we submit.". Which probably will result in a lot of Quran reading, if you are not already familiar with that.

Shayan is a mad-creep. While satan is a jinn, in the subconscious (whisper), when someone listens to him, they tend to creep you out. So that is how he "manifests" on a human being. A satan is often tormented too, so he may have a smile that resembles his mad agony.

Peace.

WhereIsTheTruth

Peace,

The devil lives inside each one of us, and used our own voice when talking to us.. this is the voice that we hear in our head when we are thinking.. and the devil is always there and whisper his agenda, and try to push us away from God, this is the same voice that makes you angry and pushes you to do harm and turns you into an arrogant person.. in the end human have two simple choices.. if he listens and follows the devil that is whispering in his head, he himself becomes a personification of the devil ..
the other choice is getting away from the devil and getting near God.. peace serenity and true happiness.. it's all in the mind.. and being aware of this.

once again your absurd claims without any proof. Some people just cant understand that whatever they say shall be backed up with proves and not their own conjectures or guesses.

So can you please show me where the quran says that the devil is inside us ?

KDC501

So can you please show me where the quran says that the devil is inside us ?

I agree with WhereIsTheTruth. There is not a single verse in the Quran that says that a shaytan lives within us.lol. The shaytan doesn't reside in us but rather he is a COMPANION to those who are not servants of God.

4121 They will say to their skins "Why did you bear witness against us?" They will reply "God made us speak; He is the One who causes everything to speak. He is the One who created you the first time, and to Him you return."

4122 There was no way you could hide from the testimony of your own hearing, or your eyes, or your skins. In fact, you thought that God was unaware of much of what you do.

4123 This is the kind of thinking about your Lord that has caused you to fail, and thus you became of the losers.

4124 If they wait, then the fire will be their destiny, and if they beg to be excused, they will not be excused.

4125 We assigned to them companions who adorned their present and past actions. Thus, the retribution has been deserved by them the same as previous nations of Jinn and humans; all of them were losers.

727 O Children of Adam, do not let the devil afflict you as he evicted your parents from the paradise; removing from them their garments to show them their bodies. He and his tribe see you from where you do not see them. We have made the devils as allies for those who do not acknowledge(the unbelievers)

3881 "Until the appointed day."
3882 He(Satan) said, "By Your majesty, I will mislead them all."
3883 "Except for Your servants who are loyal."

1765 "As for My servants, you will have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as a Caretaker.

Basically the Quran teaches us that the only people who have devils as companions are those who are NOT LOYAL to God alone . Thus, true sincere believers don't have devils as companions whereas everyone else WILLINGLY takes them as companions.

Peace,

Kevin

Asana

peace

Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils.

"And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me."

Asana

KDC501

peace

Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils.

"And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me."

Asana

Good verses

Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils.

"And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me."

Peace

Student_of_Allah

Shalom,

Interesting .

While I am sure about their influence, I am not sure of the medium. Could it be that they are inside of us as either dominant or recessive genes ? If that is the case, then shaytaan lives on in all of us . Its our duty to not let it reside in the form of the dominant gene.

Peace
--------------------- Student of Allah

IAMOP

Peace

No, the jinn are real BEINGS.

Their nature is that they are hidden.

They are not DNA, they are actual conscious beings.

As for shaytan being within us or without us

{4}
From the evil of the whisperings of the slinking (Shaitan),
{5}
Who whispers into the hearts of men,

As you can see, satan is not "within us" but the whispers come from within. Its nature is to plant a suggestion in your heart-brain and maybe if you have evil inclination, you will follow that suggestion. This is no different to someone else saying "hey, let's go get some ice cream" and you're hungry and you fall prey to that suggestion.

The jinn are not constrained by space and time the way we are. Satan can whisper into all mankind at once. I doubt it's just Iblis alone making the evil suggestions however. It seems satan is a generic term for evil influences and Iblis is the one that started it all.

{221}
Shall I inform you (of him) upon whom the Shaitans descend?
{222}
They descend upon every lying, sinful one,
{223}
They incline their ears, and most of them are liars.
{224}

Peace

WhereIsTheTruth

Peace

No, the jinn are real BEINGS.

Their nature is that they are hidden.

They are not DNA, they are actual conscious beings.

As for shaytan being within us or without us

{4}
From the evil of the whisperings of the slinking (Shaitan),
{5}
Who whispers into the hearts of men,

As you can see, satan is not "within us" but the whispers come from within. Its nature is to plant a suggestion in your heart-brain and maybe if you have evil inclination, you will follow that suggestion. This is no different to someone else saying "hey, let's go get some ice cream" and you're hungry and you fall prey to that suggestion.

The jinn are not constrained by space and time the way we are. Satan can whisper into all mankind at once. I doubt it's just Iblis alone making the evil suggestions however. It seems satan is a generic term for evil influences and Iblis is the one that started it all.

{221}
Shall I inform you (of him) upon whom the Shaitans descend?
{222}
They descend upon every lying, sinful one,
{223}
They incline their ears, and most of them are liars.
{224}

Peace

exactly guys, that was my point. That shaitaan does not live within us, but he can be our companion and whisper to us. All the talk about having shaitaan and God living within us is meaningless since none of them are limited enough to be inside someone.

Can someone please elaborate further on the difference between shaitaan and iblees since it has bothered me for a while now.

KDC501

exactly guys, that was my point. That shaitaan does not live within us, but he can be our companion and whisper to us. All the talk about having shaitaan and God living within us is meaningless since none of them are limited enough to be inside someone.

Can someone please elaborate further on the difference between shaitaan and iblees since it has bothered me for a while now.

Iblis was the Jinn that tempted Adam during the beginning of humanity....

234 We said to the angels, "Submit to Adam," so they submitted except for Iblis, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the ingrates.

1531 except Iblis (Satan). He refused to be with the prostrators.
1532 He said, "O Iblis (Satan), why are you not with the prostrators?"

1761 When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan. He said, "Shall I prostrate to one You created from mud?"

711 We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

1850 We said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Satan(iblees). He became a jinn, for he disobeyed the order of his Lord. Will you choose him and his descendants as lords instead of Me, even though they are your enemies? What a miserable substitute!

2695 As well as all the soldiers of Iblees(iblees).
2695 Wajunoodu ibleesa ajmaAAoona

Fact #1 ALL arabic references of Iblis point to the satan that lived during Adam's time. Every single use of the word in the Quran.

Rajm (meaning expulsion) is used to describe Shaytan .

The Quran describes Satan with the word RaJyM (336; 1517; 1534; 1698; 3877; 8125).

Note Sura 3877 He said, "Therefore exit from it, you are outcast." (Iblees)

Shaytan and Ibles are used differently in the Quran. It is my view that Shaytan is a general term , it's more like a title or nickname given to Iblees. Iblees on the other hand is the REAL name of the Shaytan that existed during Adam's time.

Notice the simlarities between Satan and Iblees....

5819 The devil has overtaken them, and has caused them to forget the remembrance of God. These are the party of the devil (iz'bu l-shayni) . Absolutely, the party of the devil are the losers.

2695 As well as all the soldiers of Iblees
2695 Wajunoodu ibleesa ajmaAAoona

Shaytan and Iblees are one and the same. Iblees according to the Quran is Shaytan's proper name and Shaytan is a general term , more like a title or a nickname if you will.

Iblees aka Satan. Iblees is the real name. Satan is general name which he is referred too by many.

Peace,

Kevin.

Student_of_Allah

Peace

No, the jinn are real BEINGS.

Their nature is that they are hidden.

They are not DNA, they are actual conscious beings.

As for shaytan being within us or without us

{4}
From the evil of the whisperings of the slinking (Shaitan),
{5}
Who whispers into the hearts of men,

As you can see, satan is not "within us" but the whispers come from within. Its nature is to plant a suggestion in your heart-brain and maybe if you have evil inclination, you will follow that suggestion. This is no different to someone else saying "hey, let's go get some ice cream" and you're hungry and you fall prey to that suggestion.

The jinn are not constrained by space and time the way we are. Satan can whisper into all mankind at once. I doubt it's just Iblis alone making the evil suggestions however. It seems satan is a generic term for evil influences and Iblis is the one that started it all.

{221}
Shall I inform you (of him) upon whom the Shaitans descend?
{222}
They descend upon every lying, sinful one,
{223}
They incline their ears, and most of them are liars.
{224}

Peace

Shalom my friend,

You haven't disproved my point. The ayaats you referred can actually be used to interpret what I said. Since our heart does not have an ear, that ayaat is to be taken metaphorically. I can use the same ayaat and my theory still holds.

Think about it this way, I am capable of thinking to do both good and bad. When I chose to do the bad, that is what is being described in 26221 onwards. Characteristics. When we chose to lie or follow abstract lies, that is when the devil descends on us. I do not see exactly why it is absolutely necessary, in the light of the ayaats you quoted, that the devil has to be externally-physical.

exactly guys, that was my point. That shaitaan does not live within us, but he can be our companion and whisper to us. All the talk about having shaitaan and God living within us is meaningless since none of them are limited enough to be inside someone.

Can someone please elaborate further on the difference between shaitaan and iblees since it has bothered me for a while now.

Shalom,

According to what I said earlier, my theory still holds. Since your companion is made up of same things as you are. Both can carry that gene set. So while you are working towards promoting good behaviours and suppressing the bad traits, your companion doing the opposite will influence you.

By the way, I am not certain about the theory that I am talking about. I do consider the probability that the devil can be externally-physical/spiritual. The ayaats I spoke about in the above reply to IAMOP doesn't prove anything conclusively. Both theories hold.

PEACE
-------------------- Student of Allah

KDC501

As you can see, satan is not "within us" but the whispers come from within. Its nature is to plant a suggestion in your heart-brain and maybe if you have evil inclination, you will follow that suggestion. This is no different to someone else saying "hey, let's go get some ice cream" and you're hungry and you fall prey to that suggestion.

I agree. The Jinns do not live within us. They are physical entities that live OUTSIDE OF US. They have all types of power.

They have power to create things more efficiently than humans.

3412 For Solomon the wind was given, traveling one month coming and one month going, and We caused a spring of petroleum to flow for him. From among the Jinn are those that worked for him by his Lord's leave; and any one of them who turns from Our commands, We shall cause him to taste the retribution of the fire.

3413 They made for him what he desired of enclosures, and statues, and pools of deep reservoirs, and heavy pots. "O family of David, work to show thanks." Only a few of My servants are appreciative.

They have the power of Teleportation.
2739 A powerful being from among the Jinn said, "I will bring it to you before you rise from your station. For I am strong and trustworthy."
2740 One who had knowledge from the book said, "I will bring it to you before you blink." So when he saw it resting before him, he said, "This is from the grace of my Lord, so that He tests me whether I am thankful or whether I reject. As for he who is thankful, he is thankful for himself, and as for he who rejects, then my Lord is Rich, Bountiful."

They have the power to reach the borders of the lower heaven. Hence they can travel massive distances.

1516 We have placed towers in the heavens and We have made them pleasant to the onlookers. (stars , planets, meteors)
1517 We have guarded them from every outcast devil.
1518 Except he who manages to eavesdrop, he will be pursued clearly by a flaming meteor. (used as a line of defense to protect the Upper heaven or heavens)

They even have the power of suggestion (they can whisper to humans). But as I said before they don't reside in us. The Quran teaches us that they are companions ONLY to those you are disbelievers. The believers are guarded against the affliction of Satan. This is because a true believer will not meddle/or play pals with the Jinn. Only the disbelievers will do so willingly.

Peace,

Kevin

KDC501

Shalom,

According to what I said earlier, my theory still holds. Since your companion is made up of same things as you are. Both can carry that gene set. So while you are working towards promoting good behaviours and suppressing the bad traits, your companion doing the opposite will influence you.

No. If the jinn are companions to the disbelievers it doesn't mean that they are made up of the same things as us.lol. For example a dog can be a companion to a human, a fish or ever a teddy bear. You are using the word 'Companion' too narrowly.

Also the Quran says point blank that Jinns are created from a smokeless fire.

5515 The Jinn He created from a smokeless fire.

Jinn are physical entities that have more power than humans. They don't reside in us like parasites but rather they exist outside of us whispering and making suggestions to us. Those who are disbelievers will willingly take them as companions whilst those who are believers won't.

Peace,

Kevin

IAMOP

Peace,

One must let go of preconceptions and see the quranic reality as it is. Only then will you be aware of the satan's doings! The heart does have ears two of them. The entire body is a single unified system! The heart is open to electromagnetic input from reality. This is how the jinn "whisper". Remember they are a) hidden and b) made of smokeless fire/plasma. This means they can disturb the EM field of the heart to produce a suggestion. Plasma is intricately connected to electromagnetism. That's just a possible mechanism I am giving you. ALLH knows best.

Peace

Student_of_Allah

No. If the jinn are companions to the disbelievers it doesn't mean that they are made up of the same things as us.lol. For example a dog can be a companion to a human, a fish or ever a teddy bear. You are using the word 'Companion' too narrowly.

Also the Quran says point blank that Jinns are created from a smokeless fire.

5515 The Jinn He created from a smokeless fire.

Jinn are physical entities that have more power than humans. They don't reside in us like parasites but rather they exist outside of us whispering and making suggestions to us. Those who are disbelievers will willingly take them as companions whilst those who are believers won't.

Peace,

Kevin

Shalom,

You have the ability to use your good genes and suppress bad ones ( in action). When you willfully decide to use the bad ones, you are making it your friend. I hope that clears it up.

The way the jinns reside in us, I derive from a process which requires two very similar species interbreeding. So, the Jinns may originate from smokeless fire. Still, there is nothing to say that it cant evolve and interbreed with mankind. I am not talking about a theory which requires them to be concious beings residing in us like parasites. It only requires them to breed with our ancestors inorder to pass their bad genes into us.

Who cares, its all in a hypothetical phase. I do not have solid grasp on it. My understanding lies in the border of what you are saying and what I am saying.

Peace,

One must let go of preconceptions and see the quranic reality as it is. Only then will you be aware of the satan's doings! The heart does have ears two of them. The entire body is a single unified system! The heart is open to electromagnetic input from reality. This is how the jinn "whisper". Remember they are a) hidden and b) made of smokeless fire/plasma. This means they can disturb the EM field of the heart to produce a suggestion. Plasma is intricately connected to electromagnetism. That's just a possible mechanism I am giving you. ALLH knows best.

Peace

I have not seen the ears of human heart. If heart here means your mind, then still my theory holds. Since I am talking about characteristic behaviors. They being hidden does no damage to my theory. I see smokeless fire as energy, matter is made from that.

However, I must tell you that I liked your hypothesis. Entertaining indeed.

May God guide us to the straight path

PEACE
------------- Student of Allah

IAMOP

Peace,

The nervous system is one system. We have the illusion of splitting it into "brain, spinal cord, nervous system, heart" but that's not the way it goes! There is a bundle of nerves in the heart that dominates our entire waking and sleeping life, this is known as the "little brain in the heart".

The brain is merely a bundle of nerves that is (a crucial) part of the nervous system, not the boss of the nervous system. The boss of the nervous system is the heart which itself is dominated by the breath cycle. So ultimately the rate of breath/heart rate is responsible for all our actions!

The nervous system IS the "mind". There is no such thing as "mind/body/spirit", energy is spirit is mind is body is light is matter. It just IS.

Peace

WhereIsTheTruth