The ultimate translation of the prayer.
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After close examination, I change the word, universe, to "worlds". I believe this better fits the islamic mindset.
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Omniverse would be better imo
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Peace peace
After close examination, the "universes" could be translated as the "samawat" (i.e the heavens).
God tells us that he favoured the children of israel above all the "3alameen", this would be better to be translated as the "worlds" and not the "universes".
A counter argument is that God Almighty "Honored" Adam above the angels and the jinns, because the Devil stated as in revenge, that you see that, that you have honored over me, if you respit me until the Day of Resurrection, I will possess all his descendants, except a few (1762)
Thus the children of Israel are really, favoured, from within a community of "honored" Human Creations.
This could mean that the "3alameen" can mean the "universes" -
In the name of God the mercy-giving (alrahman) merciful (alrahym)
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My current translation, is as follows
In the name of the one God, The Benevolent, The Most Merciful.
All praise is to the one God, The creator the universe. The Benevolent, The Most Merciful.
Ruler on the day of Judgement.
You only we worship, and you only we ask for help.
Guide us in the path that is correct, the path of those who earned your preference.
Not the path of those who provoked your anger, those who went astray.'
...Peace.
Peace,
Do you really associate God with the universe, or did you mean that he created the universe?
Here are some points I like to make. I personally think that Alrahman means one who created the mercy. Also alrahym is an attribute of alrahman. There is also chapter 55 which describes what Alrahman does. It also constantly says In/with what favour of your lord are you denying?
Peace
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Typo-shaitan snuck in. "of".
Favor seems to be consistent with being benevolent.
Corrected and updated version
In the name of the one God, The Benevolent, The Most Merciful.
All praise is to the one God, The creator of the worlds. The Benevolent, The Most Merciful.
Ruler on the day of Judgement.
You only we worship, and you only we ask for help.
Guide us in the path that is correct, the path of those who earned your preference.
Not the path of those who provoked your anger, those who went astray.Peace.
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Peace,
Typo-shaitan snuck in. "of".
Favor seems to be consistent with being benevolent.
Corrected and updated version
In the name of the one God, The Benevolent, The Most Merciful.
All praise is to the one God, The creator of the worlds. The Benevolent, The Most Merciful.
Ruler on the day of Judgement.
You only we worship, and you only we ask for help.
Guide us in the path that is correct, the path of those who earned your preference.
Not the path of those who provoked your anger, those who went astray.Peace.
Ok, I thought you could have mistyped. But I disagree with your translation of Alrahman Alrahym, because
- You give extra attributes to the word you are translating
- Everyone can be merciful
- Only because of being benevolent (having good intentions) doesn't make God unique, since everyone can have good intentions
Yes God is benevolent and merciful, but he is also the one who is able to give, take or even create mercy without being dependent of anything or anyone and that makes him unique!
This would be my version without adding extra words.
In the name of God, The mercy-giving Merciful (11)
Praise belongs to God, lord of the worlds (12)
The mercy-giving Merciful (13)
Possesor of day of the religion (14)
Thee we obey and Thee we beseech (15)
Guide us to the straight path (16)
The path of those you bestowed upon not those wrath is upon neither the strayers (17)11 Beginning is with Allah's personal name Ar'Reh'maan Who is The Fountain of Infinite Mercy.
...fountain ?
Peace
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I am happy to discuss the meaning of these words, as long as it has basis in quranic analysis.
I don`t see the problem of everone being merciful, that is one of the aspects that worship should provide.
And God is omnibenevolent. (Yes, that is how good God is). Infinite being of incomprehensible mercy.Peace!
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As God is the SOURCE of all things
Nobody can be merciful except that God was merciful enough to bring them into existence
Nobody can be benovelent except in spending what God has given themIs God the universe? Yes, no. Depends what you mean by universe. God is that which begets nor is begotten, the first and the last, that which has no beginning and no end. The universe does match that description if and only if by universe you mean "totality of all energy/existence". And that is ALLH in any case Energy/Infinite singularity. The observable universe is a creation of THE universe/THE reality/THE truth/ALLH/Infinity. To delve further into this goes into paradox because there is no likeness to ALLH and we use duality to try and explain things. ALLH is beyond duality.
Peace
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Is God the universe. No. I do not believe so. It is an unpeaceful mindset. Islam leads to peace (of mind, and therefore ones world). And typical thinking on God, (that God is not creation) is peaceful.
And well, if you think you are the universe, you are shaitan aswell. Old repulsive gay prositutes, supposedly is God (and yourself) to you. THAT is clear association.
Instead of believing you are the lowest, you should try believeing in perfect divinity.
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Look beyond the forms and to the nature of TRUTH itself.
2435, as always. Nobody has a response to itGod is one
Space & time is many
Universe is one
Heavens and earth is manyAn individual aspect is not God. God is totality. The light of the heavens and earth Source, self-sufficient reality
God is light, the heavens and earth are MADE of light. God is the truth, the heavens and earth are MADE with truth.
The specific insight I wish to convey here is not transmittable except by direct experience of total ego dissolution/samadhi.
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God is al-haqq yes. Aka God is the allknowing transcendent truth, and CREATE everything.
Creator of the worlds.. And satan is a creation, and all jinn are.
Do not associate created with creator, this is what idolaters do, or any associator. God is uncreated.
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There is no idolatry involved this is a limitation of your mind. You are not processing what I am saying
Truth is ONE.
All creation is names. A computer is God saying the word "computer" in God's language of "Be". God is the originator of names.
Another way to look at it is to give a name to every creation. So you would have Computer-190303492592592 which would have exactly one particle different from Computer-190303492592593. God is the speaker of Truth/Existence aka Creator whose word is Truth/Information The passing of time is as the command "Let there Be moment #29394884203 => Let there Be moment #29394884204 => Let there Be moment #29394884205", each moment is a longer and longer information structure (ref chapter 21).
As I said, this realisation is not transmittable. You have to come to a point in meditation where all associations and delusions disappear. The only thing remaining then is the truth, which you directly experience. It is beyond words, names, forms, formlessness, bliss, experience, concepts. It is tao. There are varying levels of it it can be experienced like a fractal. This which you are experiencing right now is an aspect of the fractal. But there are parts of this fractal which have less thought interference and there you can see clearly for yourself that you are infinity. That is consciousness conscious of consciousess.
After returning to this experience which is very much like birth itself, there is a different knowing of reality. Truth stands plain and clear and self-evident and distinct from falsehood but knowing yourself you can see straight through others and their intentions. In this experience there is room for compassion/understanding for ALL things. It is plain to see both why disbelievers exist and must exist, why they are going to hell, and still why they deserve to live just as much as us as long as they do not oppress us. When you can accept both satan and "old repulsive gay prostitutes" as creatures of ALLH which ALLH created in supreme justice, come back to me and tell me about idolatry
Peace
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Just a thought experiement OP, can I not say something that is not true? So there can come into existence something that is not true. Would you still call it the truth? AKA God?
To put it as extreme as I can Is this the truth? There are 5000 gods?
Is this the truth Is god a filthy gay whore?Is the truth beyond understanding itself?
Is injustice justice and repulsiveness divine, and so forth?
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Peace
Falsehood does not exist! Falsehood is non-existence and non-existence cannot be. Existence IS truth, truth IS existence.
It is true that you wrote . Binary state 1 - TRUE
It is not true that - Binary state 0 - FALSE
Simple as that. All that exists is Truth, Truth is existence.
So for example it is true that gay filthy whores exist. It is true that the behaviour of gay filthy whores is unjust and repulsive under quranic law. It is true that the satan has made the evil of this fair seeming to them.
Get used to the idea of IS-ness. It just IS. Non-existence cannot BE. ALLAH is existence, there is nothing outside of ALLAH's grasp. Gay filthy whores exist because ALLAH created Satan and Satan disobeyed ALLAH and ALLAH wishes to test humanity to see if they will follow some of humanity do follow and so ALLAH said "Be" to the concept of gay filthy whores. It is supremely just and infinitely wise that ALLAH created the "gay filthy whores" because ALLAH is supremely just, infinitely wise.
No matter what you say or do or refer to in life or death, it is the Truth ALLAH's divine word. All things are sacred, evil is the absence of good/knowledge/reason just as darkness is the absence of light. Darkness does not "exist" nor does "falsehood" nor does "evil". ALLAH does not "create evil" but evil is the name we give to the shadows. ALLAH does not create falsehood but falsehood is the name we give to absence of truth. Remember that ALLAH knows in complete detail WHY gay filthy whores ARE gay filthy whores. The only thing that ALLAH does not forgive is idolatry/rejection of truth. All else is forgivable with justice.
I hope this clears things up. Peace
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So you mean that the statement on 5000 gods is true.
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Seriosly OPF, you
ve been creeping around serious arguments for a long while. Stop while your mental health is intact. You dont want to end up like these old sufis who only waswas about their dementia. "when the zero comes before the one, it becomes 10 and makes sense". http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjPx_clZf7UWaswas like that is becoming synonymous with sufi for me.
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I am going to present some verses
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/32/9/
Ruh = God = hearing, vision, and mind.
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/6/103/
A verse I understand as, he is not visible, but is vision.
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/70/4/
A verse I understand to be that God is 50.000 years above somehow, in rank, or something.. (aka not creation)
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/15/85/
Created WITH truth, not IS truth. It is nonetheless a creation of the divine.
So you see, the quran supports not pantheism, but the typical view of God.
Why is not pantheism mentioned in the Quran, if it was so?
And yes, 573 He is the first and the last, the aware and the hidden.
Which means he is The Word, the conscious and the subconscious.And then you have the verse on everywhere you turn is the face of God, a sufi favorite. But seeing as they want 10 or 0 gods I don`t know why they are so fond of it.
It does mean something like God percieves his own creation, Has full knowledge of all that goes on (since he creates it), and is related to omniprescence, most likely.I am not going to discuss this with you anymore. I find your avoidance of the term pantheism, and still claiming pantheism in the same vein of satanic waswas.
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Another, and very important aspect of God, is that he is absolute. God is absolute, and creation is creation.
God is absolute, omnibenevolent and not creation, and not satan/shaytan.God is absolute, creator of the worlds.
Peace.
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It strange that many of these sufis are considered masters. Shamz was "too intense" for people, and that does not represent the peaceful state of a muslim/monotheist. So a rejected shaytan, that became rumis company. And they were probably gay.
Rumi
Someone in charge would give up all his power,
if he caught one whiff of that wine musk
from the room where the lovers
are doing who-knows-what!Rumi is also wellknown for claiming to be the huris.
More sufi video http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9CQvRRzU0w&feature=feedu This is just waswas, and they believe it has something to do with God.
When you start noticing this, you also know what shaytanic wiswas results in. And they experience jinn, because of their pantheism/association.
There is a wellknown sufi story about the simurgh, which means 30 birds. Birds are often coupled with jinn in the Quran.
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So you mean that the statement on 5000 gods is true.
Peace,
It grieves me that you would dare to think evil of me when I am repeatedly stating that ALLAH is one.
If you cannot understand concepts of physics please refrain from calling me an idolater. Direct experience/observation is always truth, there can be no idolatry in reality. We are experiencing one God, one Truth so nowhere can it be experienced two gods.
If the limits of your knowledge prevent you from understanding what I am saying then still refrain from disobeying the quranic commandment
O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.
Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding.
Please control your arrogance. This has total quranic backing but you are seeking to distort my words in fear of saytan when you should be fearing ALLH and seeking to understand. With regards to the vantage point I am coming from, materialists/atheists do not have any ground to stand on when they say "energy is all there is" That is a direct statement as to say "ALLAH exists". It is not pantheism, panentheism, but a unification of all truths. Do not jump to calling me names like "sufi", I am not "sufi". I am Me and You are You.
Peace