"Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
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Salaam Sis Huruf
I too have been asking the same questions, but how could they reply when there is ZERO evidence to back up their belief, so instead they resort to mocking everyone who has been convinced by Pazuzu's presentation. This is unworthy of a believer in God and the Qur'an.
Pazuzu has not finished his posts yet but what from what I can deduce from his posts so far; there is no evidence that Jerusealem in Palestine and Egypt of today have any authentication from the Quran.As for 9/11 on the day it happened I laughed at the coordination of the Sunni bunch nope In those days USA commanded enough respect that no one could believe they could do that to their own citizens, so I was mocked as well as warned and harrassed for going against the majority view.
Look at the consequences of accepting 9/11 story blindly http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSk4-EhjwU&NR=1
part 8 of 11parts
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Peace all
Those who have been granted wisdom, insight, knowledge and faith in Allah's are indeed immensely fortunate...
When Arabs came to Mohammed saying they will do him a favour by believing and witnessing he was Allah's Prophet, an ayat came from Allah at lightning speed telling them that was not true... and that only Allah and the Believers knew Mohammed was Allah's Messenger...
he further told them instead to say we submit (and swear allegiance to Allah's Deen/System), and perchance Belief will later enter their hearts...The above is a lesson in humility... may we learn from it...
If one cannot appreciate the truth when it is presented to him/her, only Allah can open their eyes to it... let's not forget that most of us are brainwashed / hypnotised by the master of deceit, Satan... He does exist you know, and he is not human...
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Thanx for the remarks theNabster
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Excellent once again Paz!Sealed and Delivered.
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It's the first time that I seriously followed Pazuzu's threads, and so far I have found him to be on solid grounds, but still I am reading his post with a critical eye and would not hesitate to point out anything objectionable in my openion.We may also be enlightened about the finding and solid grounds for that finding, in single lines.
1.Finding No. 1...............Solid ground
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I now know why Zionists are desperate to find anything to prove their claims to Palestine.
King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlBI8ENkqkThis documentary exposed a ring of syndicate comprise of shrewd antiques businessman, Oded Golan and his associates from Israel, Palestine as well Egypt, with specialize role such as artist, scientist, archeologist and biblical scholar.
Even the top nerd scientiest and reknown professors are being fooled, by Oded Golan. The hero scientist in this programme is the "cowboy" archeologist Prof Yuval Goren.
full programme transcript here
http//www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/solomon_trans.shtmlProf Frankelstein made his opinion very clear that "nothing monumental" evidence available to support the existence of Temple of Solomon (as well Israel occupation) except "pottery shells and wall here and there maybe.."
What i learn from this video is that, archelogical evidence can be forged by the professionals. "Patina" (weathered layer of stones) of artifacts can be concocted in the workshop to fool of even top scientiest and scholars in this case. Only after rigorous "stone DNA" analysis conducted by Prof Yuval, the scam was exposed.
So we have to be careful on artifacts evidence presented in this forum all this while, as artifacts business is sophisticated, financially lucrative and politically appealling to interested parties.
Thanks to Abuamrrami.
Peace.
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Peace Bro pazuzu,
what is missing is
"who are the Misrim? what is their identity / lineage? are they semites i.e. Arabs / Children of Ibrahim? or are they from east africa?..."
have you decided to delay exposing their identity until you reveal other matters? i.e. Ibrahim's journey?
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-Peace
There is an excellent book by the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand called ?the invention of the jewish people?, his conclusions were that exodus didn?t take place and the Romans didn?t expel the jews. http//www.amazon.ca/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322402921&sr=8-1
There is a Radio interview with Shlomo Sand
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjF6tOlNagk
He has a complete lecture by Shlomo Sand also http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmvANgw9MkWithout serious excavations in Saudi Arabia the stories of the bible ( Solomon, David, Moses, Exodus.. etc) will remain a myth since there is no archeological evidence to support their existence in Palestine.
Isareli government is not happy with these University professors and the heads of Israeli antiquities authority, this why they wants to start interfering with the appointments of the antiquity authority
http//www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/scholars-slam-bill-to-change-makeup-of-israel-antiquities-authority-1.397918
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Salam Pazuzu, all,
I would like your view on the dead see scroll, you can find here http//dss.collections.imj.org.il/
I searched a lot about biblical hebrew (ancient hebrew or ), it is true that some parts of the O.T. are written in aramaic but still the main part is written in hebrew.I think personaly, that hebrew co-existed as some point with aramaic, syriac, arabic, etc.
A good introduction and research center can be found at this site
http//www.ancient-hebrew.org/2_bible.htmlwhere you can found the following
Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks. (Genesis 616 - RSV)
The above translation seems very clear, concise and understandable. The reader would have no problem understanding the meaning of the text and assumes this translation adequately represents the original text. Behind this translation lies the Hebrew, which must be a translator's nightmare. Below is a literal rendering of the same verse according to the Hebrew.
?A light you do to an ark and to a cubit you complete it from to over it and a door of the ark in its side you put unders twenty and thirty you do.?
This is not an isolated case, but occurs continually throughout the Biblical texts. In order to assist the English reader, the translator has supplied words, phrases, and even whole sentences to enable the reader to understand the text. The reader is rarely aware of the difficulties in translating a certain passage and assumes the translator has accurately translated the text.
salam
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Now concerning Arabia, I will venture even further by saying this
Arabia is not only the craddle of Semitic races, and ancient civilizations, but the craddle of LIFE itself on this planet. The first human beings appeared there, near the "elbow" of the Arabian pennisula. And I will say this even to the face of those scientists who discovered 50,000 year-old skeletons in Ethiopia.
The problem is that the earth and soil of Arabia have not been excavated. The Saudis don't know what they are sitting on.
But I promise you that a day will come, perhaps in our lifetime, when the Surat Mountains of Arabia, their valleys, plains, and ancient river beds will be heard. They will spill forth their secrets concerning the origins of human life, and how our humanoid ancestors crawled out from egg shells (earth embryos) in the muddy swamps.
When Allah addressed Muhamad and his people by telling them
{Roam the land and observe how the creation was initiated. Thus Allah will establish the final creation. Allah is capable of all things}...
Allah knows full well what He is talking about, and what this land was that that He mentioned.
It wasn't Ethiopia.
Yemen is the origin of Judaism.
Peace...
This is all speculation though based on your feelings. There's no evidence at this moment to support this theory. At leats there is evidence that proves mankind started in Africa. I'm pretty sure the scientific community has pretty much agreed on that fact lol.
There's also evidence to support that Judaism started in Africa as well. Many of it's rites were practiced by the Africans in Ancient Kemet and Kush, in which the kingdom of Kush consisted of both modern day Ethiopia and Yemen.
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The scientific community has agreed many times through history on things that turned out to be wrong. So whatever anybody agrees on is no reason for anybody to stop searching and reasoning nd speculating, which is what those who previously agreed on something which turned out to be wrong really did, speculate. The fact that many agreed on any speculation doesn't make it true.
On the other hand to speculate that somewhere very big which has not been excavated may contain many things and surprises is rather reasonable. Not such great speculation. What would be surprising is if nothing is found.
The Qur'an does not support that nothing is to be found.
Salaam
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The scientific community has agreed many times through history on things that turned out to be wrong. So whatever anybody agrees on is no reason for anybody to stop searching and reasoning nd speculating, which is what those who previously agreed on something which turned out to be wrong really did, speculate. The fact that many agreed on any speculation doesn't make it true.
On the other hand to speculate that somewhere very big which has not been excavated may contain many things and surprises is rather reasonable. Not such great speculation. What would be surprising is if nothing is found.
The Qur'an does not support that nothing is to be found.
Salaam
To speculate is fine, but to state something in a way implying it is true without evidence is fitna.
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Peace,
the biggest fitna comes from those who disallow research to be carried out for fear of what can be found...
it happened with the catholic church, and it is now happening with "wahabi islam" and "zionist judaism"...
Has anybody done that? What I see is that people merely say what they feel might, which is normally what we all do. People expound their thoughts and ive their date and the readers can form their own opinion, but nobody is pretending anything. If at all, those who take things for granted give things as true, because they take as true. I do not think anybody is creating any fitna. It is mere exhcange of points of view.
Salaam
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Hi all,
can I have your input about "the promised land" as per Quran?
Mainly regarding verses from 521-26 and and 7137.My questions are
- did The God really "promised" a land to bani Israel?
- If yes was it just for that generation or for ever (all coming generations)?
Thanks
Thanks
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Hi all,
can I have your input about "the promised land" as per Quran?
Mainly regarding verses from 521-26 and and 7137.My questions are
- did The God really "promised" a land to bani Israel?
- If yes was it just for that generation or for ever (all coming generations)?
Thanks
Thanks
O my nation! you people enter into the land/city, that has since been rectified of faults, the one which Allah, the Exalted has ordained/written for you people,
does not mean written with lead pencil which could be erased by rubber.
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O my nation! you people enter into the land/city, that has since been rectified of faults, the one which Allah, the Exalted has ordained/written for you people,
does not mean written with lead pencil which could be erased by rubber.
Salam,
so for you, yes people like Ariel Sharon, Shimon Perez, Golda Meyer, Ben Gorion etc... has the right to live and rule the Israel state as we know it now, because it has been written by The God for them?
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Salam,
so for you, yes people like Ariel Sharon, Shimon Perez, Golda Meyer, Ben Gorion etc... has the right to live and rule the Israel state as we know it now, because it has been written by The God for them?
When Allah, the Exalted not only recognizes them as a distinctly identified nation, but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day, what is the problem with the rest of world not to recognize them as nation and accept their right to have a land/country to live therein according to their will and choice?
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When Allah, the Exalted not only recognizes them as a distinctly identified nation, but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day, what is the problem with the rest of world not to recognize them as nation and accept their right to have a land/country to live therein according to their will and choice?
Sure, sure, and also god gave them licence to kill steal lie and do whatever anything in order to have that particular piece of land which the British empire thought good for its imperial purposese.
Gor God's sake, Mazhar, this is beyonn idiotic. I hope you are just joking, because if that is the way you think I am afraid I will be unable to take you seriously ever. What you have written is circus, and most certainly not Qur'an.
On the other hand it sees that god as real estate agent is really making inroads into opinions traffic.
Or may be we are really infiltrated by zionnists and imperial agents to the brim. Hoy utterly ridiculous.
Salaam