"According to Holy Hearsay Reports, the Quran is indeed a Miracle"!.
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you are seriously on the wrong path.
But I am NOT on the wrong path, stilllearning. I also see edip use the phrase, the ingrates, or the unappreciative, which I might use. However I am NOT of the ungrateful, I am very grateful to God. Do you know that calling someone who is a monotheist, recognises one force behind creation, "on the wrong path" is very provocative?
Even claiming I am on the wrong, path, who is on advanced levels of Islam.. No, that means YOU are on the wrong path.
Stop talking in tongues with this 19xX. It is clearly an enemy.
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AOA Paradox uncreated
But I am NOT on the wrong path, stilllearning. I also see edip use the phrase, the ingrates, or the unappreciative, which I might use. However I am NOT of the ungrateful, I am very grateful to God. Do you know that calling someone who is a monotheist, recognises one force behind creation, "on the wrong path" is very provocative?
Even claiming I am on the wrong, path, who is on advanced levels of Islam.. No, that means YOU are on the wrong path.
Stop talking in tongues with this 19xX. It is clearly an enemy.
I am trying to work out if your post is tongue in cheek or actually serious. It sounds you are being serious. If that is the case then I am sorry. I suggest you read my post again very carefully and also read hope4's reply. He seems to have grasped the spirit of my reply.
regards
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peace to all group
why do I always have the feeling of being in the wrong film, where I come too? We are here to listen to us and respect our views against each other. The number 19 seems to be truly magical, every time it is called, the people are becoming very emotional.
I think it's not nice to laugh at others, whether this is an atheist, a Buddhist, a small man, a green alien or Edip now. We all try our best to get closer to God. All we should first remove the splinter in our eyes before we go off on others. tempt
But I too do not know what Edip try to say us here. I ask for explanation. salaam -
AOA Paradox uncreated
I am trying to work out if your post is tongue in cheek or actually serious. It sounds you are being serious. If that is the case then I am sorry. I suggest you read my post again very carefully and also read hope4's reply. He seems to have grasped the spirit of my reply.
regards
You are being very provocative. Do not roam the earth in arrogance.
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But I too do not know what Edip try to say us here. I ask for explanation. salaam
Well...here is the explanation you asked
In his post Edip emphasizes the virtues of critical thinking D D
However what he actually looks for are not critical thinkers but critical eaters D
for instance an average thinker thinks about the below stuff that it is a silly addition of 29 apples ,14 pears and 14 cucumbers
14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of Quranic Initials (such as A.L.M. of 21), and prefix 29 suras. These numbers add up to 14 + 14 + 29 = 57 = 19 ? 3.
Dbut an Edip-type critical thinker (critical eater) witnesses in the above numbers a part of an invisible quranic code, since the numbers are in one of Edip's 19 books (reliable source)
final words if you want eternal salvation then believe critically, eat critically, obey critically.
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Hamza, I concede that you have a point or a bowl of fruits here
On the other hand, if apples, pears and cucumbers are served in one bowl and you are wondering about the number of fruits, then, there is no problem in adding them up.
You will be disturbed by the 19 all your life, unless you decide to study it objectively! This a divine promise Hamza. It is a fitna for you and it will burn holes in your brain!
By the way, how many holes are there in your head, excluding the ones created by the 19? To answer my question wouldn't you count the holes in your MOUTH (apple) + EAR (pear) + NOSE (cucumber) (And, I expect that you will not go and try to find others beyond that!)
PS Inshallah, Running Like Zebras will soon be published. About 480 pages. I think there is a section where you enter the scene like a gray wolfe with a few comments.
Peace,
Edip -
On the other hand, if apples, pears and cucumbers are served in one bowl and you are wondering about the number of fruits, then, there is no problem in adding them up.
There is always problem in adding apples and pears, but the more serious problem is, there is no such bowl. You just imagine it. Another person can easily imagine another bowl in which there are;
14 apples
14 pears
29 cucumbers (initiated suras)
30 bananas (initiated verses)Actually everybody knows that you imagined several bowls and picked out only the one in which total # of fruits is multiple of 19. After all, such a single independant finding is statistically insignificant and a list of such individual findings doesn't make a code.
By the way, how many holes are there in your head, excluding the ones created by the 19? To answer my question wouldn't you count the holes in your MOUTH (apple) + EAR (pear) + NOSE (cucumber)
Think a little critically aa D The different location of one of my holes doesn't make it a car-exhaust. It is still a hole. You would be right if you for example added up numbers of initial letters (holes) in all initiated verses (different locations).
Btw, I believe in 19 miracle but reject your only-quran-protecting-code theory.
peace
Son s?z Siz yedinin beini nasl alrsnz
Sondan sonraki s?z Bize bi meyva taba yap garson....ondokuzlusundan olsun! ;D
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14 apples
14 pears
29 cucumbers (initiated suras)
30 bananas (initiated verses)In fact, the verses made of initial letters are 19, raising the sum up to 76, which is 19 x 4.
Of course, I see how you are mixing the initial letters with others in your fourth bowl you mix the bananas with eggplants.Interestingly, you are trying to hide 11 purple vegetables inside yellow bananas.
Dear Hamza, you are underestimating my eye-sight and overestimating your hand-sleight ) !
PS To save you from another silly attempt to serve your bowl there is no chapter made up only initial letters, but there are 19 verses made up only initial letters.
Peace,
Edip -
there is no chapter made up only initial letters, but there are 19 verses made up only initial letters
then why do you include your 29 chapters although they are not made up only initials ?
in other words why do you force 11 poor bananas to accept they are in fact eggplants ?moreover, # of initial set-verses is 19 but # of initial sets (apples) is 30.
You seem like a critical belly dancer rather than a critical thinker. Let's hope there are sufficient critical eaters who will eat your genetically modified apples and assimilated bananas. D
peace
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Shalom Aleikhom,
I am still waiting to see what the author of this thread has to offer. The entire world is deluded into thinking that the Qur'an is a miracle !! The world needs a superhero to either disprove them or to confirm it. The only problem is that the super hero doesnt look like he wants to share the "miracle" with us.
Although its funny, but I must tell you that you have an amazing similarity with WAHABIs.
Please dont hold the suspense any longer, show us why the Qur'an is or is not a miracle. Inshallah God will reward you for your good works.
Peace
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Hamza,
I will no more respond to your juvenile personal attacks, your rotten and fruitless excuses, and special-effects of tornados created in a little bowl.
So, indulge in your bowl
Peace,
Edip -
I Personally believe in a mathematical composition of the Quran due the facts 1) that it made me become Absolutely certain that God Amlighty exists, 2) I saw the number 19 in many places 3) and it made me come closer to His God Almighty 4) that there is a number of verses in the Quran that are composed of 19 letters (seehttp//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/miracle_of_the_quran/great_new_discovery_%28P1367%29.html)
Moreover I believe in the Message of Rashad khalifa, which is to follow the Quran ALONE. Only God Almighty knows for certain if Rashad is his messenger.
It is noteworthy to note that what Rashad Practiced went against his message! Follow the Quran alone, and yet he advised a 2.5% charity (something from tradition!). In one of his videos he stated "If i tell you to do anything that is not in the Quran, DO NOT DO IT!" This is where one should read
Should we follow Rashad Khalifa the Messenger or his Message?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603114.0
The whole purpose of messengers is to deliver the message (599)Places where is saw 19
*From the day God Almighty Guided me ) to the day God Almighty Granted me Absolute certainty (by knowing the mathematical miracle) ((7/9/09 to 12/26/09) is about 171 days (19x9)
*Rt 19 is right down from "masjid tuscon" 5010 east bellevue st tucson
*The major route next to us is numbered rt 38 (19x2)
*There is a number 19 between the two Man Holes in the main st next to us.
*ON my 19 birthday, i noticed that Peoples Pizza (Restaurant), situated on rt. 38 (19x2) was founded on 1974 (year when Rk discovered 19 ?)
*In the begining of knowing about the miracle, i used to see 19 and it's multiples many times on the digital clocks, timers, countime timers etc. (at my job)
*12th grade school schedual rooms were (8,16,19,27,3 (19 is the 8th composite, age 16 and ~1/2 is when God guided me, 19 is the miracle, 27 is an addition of 8+19, 38=19x2)
*The Amida/standing prayer of the Jews has 19 blessings http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg&feature=related
*I read in a book that a rabbi once wrote, 19 "letters" advocating to follow the torah alone
*Chem teacher stated that water boiling point in vacuum ins 19 degrees
*I thought the chemistry section of the 19-composed table was very enlightneining (e.g. 19 left amino acids, atomic element 19 is the only odd numbered element that has even-numbered element properties (i.e can be even/odd), element 114 has a magic nucleus, from phantom element 43 to 61 are 19 elements, Dr. Plichta works & table placement
http//submission.org/#/d/Quran_chemistry_code_19.html
*While reading my summer reading book "The House of the Spirits", P.g 76 (19x4) meantions the Number 19!
*The sun, moon, earth "align" every 19 years
(See brother Layth's article "19 ? Fact or Fiction?" http//free-minds.org/sites/default/files/19.pdf)***Notice that God Almighty Does show his signs/miracles to people who are certain (in belief/faith) (211
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I see it that way. )
I am convinced that there is a correlation between the 19 and the Koran. But I also see the danger that these relationships are focused too strongly. There is clearly also the possibility of manipulation, intentional or unintentional. As I have seen an analysis- unfortunately not longer available - in which the author has proved, due to its date of birth, also together with his wife and her age, that he was an apostle! I realized that this number is not only helpful to become closer to God, but also a danger. Namely, in the interpretation of the Koran-only or mainly - based on certain relationships on the number 19 is a risk to lose the sight of the entire quranic message, and reduce it to a mathematical complex, which occupe place, time and brain cells excessively. it can be I also the number becomes an obsession so that in the end, the message is suddenly perceived solely by numbers and not by the content ...
My humble view hmm -
Peace,
- that there is a number of verses in the Quran that are composed of 19 letters (seehttp//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/miracle_of_the_quran/great_new_discovery_%28P1367%29.html)
Places where is saw 19
Your are obsessed with number and need help.
What the idiot did in the link was selectively pick verses which many are incomplete.
560 ... from/of them the monkeys and the swines
19 letters = 19 x 1
Sequence #, Cumulative GV, Word GV - 1 135 135 2 870 735 3 1775 905 = 19 x 597439624775543039951233 ... to them and be from the ignorant
19 letters = 19 x 1
Sequence #, Cumulative GV, Word GV Series - 1 96 13010550 2 173 612050 3 263 4050 4 393 130315301050 = 19 x ...I am still waiting to see what the author of this thread has to offer.
He is infected with the counting disease and lost his mind thus has ZERO to offer as exactly stated...
7427 and what will make you know what hell
7428 not it lets remain and not it leaves
7429 scorching to the human
7430 over her nine ten (nineteen)
7431 and not We made companions the fire only angels and not We made their count only temptation to those who disbelieve to ascertain the ones who were given the book and increase the ones who believe faith and not suspicious the ones who were given the book and the believers and that may say the ones who in their hearts disease and the disbelievers what had intended The God in this example? like that He lets stray The God from wills and He quides from wills and not knows soldiers your Lord only He and not it is only/except a reminder to the human -
In no way is this obsession with numbers a reason to call someone ungrateful/unappreciative.
I loved God, yet they call me unappreciative. What is the difference between that and some hadithist that calls me a disbelievers because I dont have mental self-defiling firespirit lust orgy with their satans in the hadith.
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7430 over her nine ten (nineteen)
"over her nineteen" is a meaningless sentence when seen in isolation. This is the literal and still incomple meanings of individual words seen in isloation.
On the contrary Arabic text is a complete nominal sentence, an inverted one.
There are nineteen males appointed for guarding upon her-Hell-Prison.
Rks translatiion for 666 and 7430
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7431 and not We made companions the fire only angels and not We made their count only temptation to those who disbelieve to ascertain the ones who were given the book and increase the ones who believe faith and not suspicious the ones who were given the book and the believers and that may say the ones who in their hearts disease and the disbelievers what had intended The God in this example? like that He lets stray The God from wills and He quides from wills and not knows soldiers your Lord only He and not it is only/except a reminder to the human
Have you ever met or heard of any christian or jew who has become certain of the divinity of Quran after witnessing the "counting illness" of 19ers ?
peace
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Have you ever met or heard of any christian or jew who has become certain of the divinity of Quran after witnessing the counting illness of 19ers ?
peace
No, else they would stop being Christians or Jews nor is it written in the verse Christians or Jews.
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Christians have their own phenomena in the form of "tonguespeaking". That is also inchoherent speech that does not contain religious teachings, that is suppsedly related to religion.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3be9wCAwIM (050) 19x59 19x32 .. 19x34..
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Have you ever met or heard of any christian or jew who has become certain of the divinity of Quran after witnessing the "counting illness" of 19ers ?
peace
YES WE HAVE!