Road of the Patriarch
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Bravo Pazuzu keep it up! Allah shower his blessings upon you
salam
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Thank you again Pazuzu the 1001 pieces Puzzle is becoming more and more complete, sun
In case of Sheban its not just amazing the buildings per si, but in fact the durabilty,the technics of construction and also the "mystic" envolving all the city..... even if someone doesnt know nothing of history its very easy look the photo of Actual Jerusalem and compere it to city of Shebaa ... in less than 5 seconds your eyes and heart will tell you wich one is the oldest..Keep going please bravo
Salaam/Paz
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Coincidence # 6 Hebron
(This is actually #6. I must have miscounted earlier on)
There are less than 1,000 Jewish settlers living in the town of ?Al-Khaleel? today, most of them having come from Europe or the USA, and they have been turning the lives of some 20,000 Palestinians into a veritable hell. These settlers, under the influence of the imperialist and orientalist interpretation of the Torah, absolutely REFUSE to believe the poor, simple Palestinians, who have never stopped telling the glaring truth, even though they do not have the linguistic or geographical proof to back their claims That Al-Khaleel is and has always been an Arab town, and was never known by the name of ?Hebron?, and that the name ?Hebron? which appears in the Torah has absolutely nothing to do with the geography of Palestine whatsoever, no matter how long the archeologists search for it.
But their cries have fallen on deaf ears, as the imperialists and orientalists have continued to imagine Palestine and its towns as the ancient theater of events mentioned in the Old Testament. And this imagination has led to unpardonable injustices and persecutions, which the conspiring West and the Zionist Arab regimes have never so much as raised a finger against. Yet it is up to us to uncover the truth of the matter. We MUST believe the Palestinians for no reason other than that what they have been saying is the truth, even though they lack the evidence to back it up. Their blatant denial of the name ?Hebron? as being related to ?Al-Khaleel? stems from their firmly-rooted knowledge and familiarity with the land of their birth, passed down from generation to generation.
The Torah tells us that Abraham the Hebrew (?Hebrew? meaning - he who crossed over - - from the wilderness of Arabia, towards the lush mountain oases of the Sarat Mountains), after having settled for a while in the land of the so-called Canaanites (which we have previously proven were none other than the sedentary Bani Kanana tribe, whose domain was the mountain slopes along the Red Sea coast), witnessed the death of his wife Sarah, in a place called ?Kirjat-Arba? (spelled ?Kirjatarba? or ?Kirjatharba? in some translations). And it tells us that this place was also known as ?Hebron?, which appears as in the Orientalist Arab translations
And Sarah died in Kirjat-Arba; the same is Hebron in the land of Canaan and Abraham came to mourn for Sarah, and to weep for her (Genesis ? 232)
Now, since we have postulated that the ?Land of Canaan? was actually the ?Land of Kanana?, in South West Arabia, then, in order for our theory to be correct, we must find evidence of a place called Hebron in that location. It must have been a very well-known place, and mention of it must be found in old Arabian records. But first, we must bear in mind that the original Squared Aramaic letters (which the so-called ?Hebrew? language STOLE and claimed as its own), were originally silent letters, and did not include any vowels. So, if we were to render the word ?Hebron? as it appeared originally (before the Masorite priests perverted the text through their ?accentuation? of the letters), it would be in the form of ?Hbrn? - . We also have to show that the name was associated to a place called ?Kirjat-Arba?.
And here is where another shocking truth has been uncovered
The ancient tribe of Bani Kananah did in fact know of a location called ?Hbrn?, which was actually rendered sometimes as ?Hebran?, ( ) and sometimes as ?Hebra? ( ).
Now, if we compare with , we will see that in terms of Arabic structure, the word is actually the same, once we remove the vowel.
In fact, this place was so popular to the ancient Arabs of the Asir region, that they mentioned it on numerous occasions in their poetry.
Yemeni poet Zayd-al-Khayl al- Tai?i (who died in the 9th year of the Hijra and who was famous for his many travels northwards), mentioned the place in one of his poems
Another poet, Al-Rai?i al-Numairy, also mentions the same place
From our understanding of the descriptions of this place by the Arab poets, we can conclude that Hebran - Hebron was a mountainous place that had fallen into desolation since very ancient times, and had become a den of wild beasts.
Have you heard of the famous Arab Jewish Rabbi by the name of ?Kaab-ul-Ahbar? ?
In case you haven?t, here is a briefing on him He was a prominent Jewish figure who lived during the time of Muhammad (p), and later ?embraced? Islam during the time of Abu Bakr. He was a Yemeni Himyarite Jew, most probably hailing from Sana?a - the capital of Judaism in Arabia. His title actually means ?the Kaab of the Clergy? - meaning the center/head / most prominent of their order. (This is an important clue as to what the word ?Kaaba? actually means). He is even mentioned in the Jewish Encyclopedia.
Here?s the link http//www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9105-ka-b-al-ahbar
Arab geographer Yaqoot al Hamwi (volume 2 - pages 244,245) relates to us the following concerning this Jewish Rabbi
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Here is what al-Hamwi is telling us
"According to Kaab?ul Ahbar, The first to ever be buried in ?Hebra? was Sarah, wife of Abraham, who had lived in the general area, and who had bought the place for 50 Dirhams"
Now of course, we cannot be 100% sure that this story was in fact true. I have already told you that history is often mixed with legends. And commentators generally agree that many stories tend to attribute legendary events to actual real places. The poets of ancient Yemen did NOT invent place names in their poetry. This is because ?crying at the ruins? was deeply imbedded in their culture, and was a means of expressing sadness over long-lost glories and places that had turned to dust (the tented homes of their lovers, desert oasies, tribes that migrated away, etc...). They were showing emotion to long-bygone days, and VERY real places. This "crying" was later incorporated into Jewish culture, which we see in their ?Wailing Wall" ritual - further proof of where Judaism originated. So although the EVENT of Sarah?s death and burial somewhere in the desolation of Hebron-Hebran-Hebra may have been a local legend, the actual location was very much a real place. Or else how can we explain its mention attributed to a prominent Jewish religious figure, as related to us in the writings of a geographer of the caliber of Al-Hamwi?
Furthermore, the fact that the Jewish Rabbi of the 6th/7th Century A.D, Kaab -ul-Ahbar, knew of the story/legend of Abraham burying his wife (and then later on being buried HIMSELF) in a place called ?Hebra?, makes it very difficult to dismiss that he was not familiar with the place, and with the geography of the Torah in general. Furthermore, a Yemeni Jewish priest like Kaab - a real Semitic Jew - is more qualified to tell us where Hebran was located than all the Rabbis of Poland, Russia, and Lithuania, who are KHAZARI Jews of no relation whatsoever to the Children of Israel.
And if the Hebron of the Torah is indeed the town of Al-Khaleel in today?s Palestine, then why would Kaab, who was a YEMENI, mention it? Why would the Arab poets mention it? What relation did they have to Palestine?
Better yet, why is there a Hadith in Islamic folklore, which says that the prophet Muhammad (P), gave Tamim-al-Dari (one of the so-called ?companions?) a piece of land in a place called ?Hebran?, near ?Wadi al- Qura? (Valley of the Towns), some 300 kilometers south of Mecca?
What does the word ?Kirjat-Arba? mean? Could it be perhaps THE FOUR TOWNS? (The word ?Kirjat? is the same as ?Qiryat?, meaning ?town?. This is one of the thousands of words that the so-called Hebrew ?borrowed? from Arabic). Look at the map of ?Israel? today, and you will see names of towns that begin with ?Qiryat? (examples include Qiryat Shemona, Qiryat Yam, Qiryat Tivon, etc?). This phenomena also existed in Arabia, and continues until this day. The word, in the Eloquent (Arabic) is ?qaryah? .
Reflect please?on where the events of the Old Testament took place?
And if you?re still not convinced, here?s another one for you
Coincidence # 7 Macphela
What is even more shocking is that the Torah, in its mention of Abraham?s wife Sarah, talks about a cave by the name of ?Macphelah?, which served as a burial site. Here are the words of Abraham (P) himself, as reported by the Torah
That he may give me the cave of Machpelah, which he hath, which is in the end of his field; for as much money as it is worth he shall give it me for a possession of a burying place amongst you (Genesis ? 239)
To summarize the story, is appears that Abraham bought a small patch of prairie land and a nearby cave somewhere in the desolate wilderness of Hebran-Hebra, from a man named Ephron son of Sohar. (The Arabic rendering of the name is 3afroun bin Sawhar - I think it?s a no-brainer). And, as was the old Yemeni tradition, buried his wife in the cave, which the Torah calls ?Macphelah?.
In his book ?The Bible Came from Arabia?, Kamal Salibi, who visited the region of Hebran in Saudi Arabia, in the early 1980?s, and spoke with the locals there, brings to our attention the following
In the area surrounding Al-Qunfudha, precisely, there exists today four towns whose names begin with ?Qaryat?. They are Qaryat Al-Seelan ( ن, Qaryat Al-Sheyyab( ب, Qaryat Assia ( ة and Qaryat A?amer ( ر. In their vicinity is another town named Al-Miqfalah (ة, which still carries the same ancient Biblical name Makphelah. And I visited all these places myself, and verified their existence side by side. This is concerning the precision of the geographical setting of the Book of Genesis, when it is interpreted in light of the map of Arabia.
Below is an old map of the region taken from a Saudi gazetteer in 1977. You can see the town of Al-Miqfalah, barely 50 kilometers east of Al-Qunfudha, a once prominent Saudi town on the Red Sea coast, some 300 Km south of Mecca. Not only that, but the region ?coincidently? happens to be mountainous, and full of caves, and the stories of prophets buried there have been local legends for centuries uncounted.
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Old map of the Asir region, showing the site of al-Miqfalah (in relation to Makkah)
Blue circle Miqfalah
Red circle Al-Qunfudha
Orange circle Misrama
Black square MakkahOf course, no one in the world listens to these legends, as the memories of the people living in Asir and Yemen are viewed as no more than baseless ranting. Instead, the world has gone on imagining Palestine as the theater of events that never happened there - events which archeologists have disproved time and time again.
The ruins in the Asir region (which the Zionist Saudis have been hiding from the public media), date back to as early as 3500 BC. The towns in that region (the ?Qaryats?) have maintained their names at least since the 7th Century BC. So you can bet that the name ?Miqfalah? existed since the Babylonian exile era, when the Jewish scribes corrupted the Torah for the first time, distributing "Promised Lands" to their descendants as a revenge on the world for the suffering and destruction that were perpetrated against them by the Assyrians (Remember REAL places as theaters for possibly legendary events).
It also shows you how all the descendants of Abraham (P) actually lived in the same region, and that the ridiculous stories that the Muslims believe in, which separate between Abraham?s progeny, placing some in the Levant and others in Arabia are all LIES.
The very scarce archeological digs in Yemen, for example, have demonstrated the habit of burial in caves since the most ancient of times. This agrees with the old traditions of that country, as well as their legends (for example, there are folk stories in Yemen, transmitted from generation to generation, telling of the burial of the Prophet Hud in a cave north of Hadramaut. Also, the prophet Shuaib is believed to be buried in a cave located in a mountain that was named after him Jabal al Nabi Shuaib, which happens to be the tallest peak in all of Arabia). You can read about these legends in such books as ?Al Tijan fi Muluk Himyar" (The Crowns of the Kings of Himyar) by Wahb bin Manbah, and ?Akhbar al Yemen? (Tales from Yemen) by Obaid bin Sharia al Jurhumi. The burial of prophets, kings and heroic figures in caves have been a part of Yemeni culture for many generations.
Coincidence # 8 Mamre
We have seen so far, that Abraham migrated from his original homeland, which was NOWHERE near Iraq, towards a land that Allah described as ?blessed to the worlds?. This blessing existed since the time of Abraham (around 1700 BC), and had nothing to do with Jerusalem (which didn?t even exist back then), nor with Mecca (which also didn?t exist), and certainly had nothing to do with Christianity nor Judaism. It was land full of trees, fruits, flowing mountain streams, and immense resources. By now, you have probably figured out where that mountainous land was.
Allah led the Patriarch to the location of the Sacred Valley - The Bayt. (The same valley in which Allah would later address Moses, on the slopes of "al-Tur". And there, very near to that valley, Abraham set up his tents.
But what was the original place he settled in called? (According to the Torah).
Let?s read
Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the oaks of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD (Genesis ? 131
A bit further down we have
So the field of Ephron which in Machpelah, which before Mamre, the field and the cave which in it, and all the trees that in the field, which within all the surrounding borders, were deeded (Genesis - 2317)
Mamre, which is in Hebron, and near Macphelah?
Has the city of Al-Khaleel in current-day Palestine ever been connected to a place called Mamre? I defy anyone on this planet to bring me proof of this claim. The Palestinians themselves, who lived in that land for generations until the KHAZAR PIRATES came and took it from them, have never heard of the name ?Mamre? in association with the occupied city of Al-Khaleel. Their elders know very well that this mysterious name was introduced by force onto their land.
But the Bani Kananah of Arabia knew of such a place. And they sang many legends about it in their poetry, describing it as wilderness place where ancient Arab heroes and warriors would rest in the shade of trees, and where mystics and oracles would commune with the gods.
In fact, the Torah relates to us an extraordinary event that took place in that copse of oak trees. Here it is
Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 "Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 "And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant." They said, "Do as you have said." 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead and make cakes." 7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate. 9 Then they said to him, "Where Sarah your wife?" So he said, "Here, in the tent." 10 And He said, "I will certainly return to you according to the time of life, and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son." (Sarah was listening in the tent door which behind him.) 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, well advanced in age; Sarah had passed the age of childbearing. 12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, "After I have grown old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?" 13 And the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I surely bear since I am old?' 14 "Is anything too hard for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son." (Genesis 18 1 - 14)
This same story appears in the Quran, albeit in slightly different details.
1- No names of places are mentioned, nor any copse of oak trees.
2- The name of the wife who laughed as she received the tidings is not mentioned.
3- The guests who visited Abraham were very unusual in appearance and behaved very strangely, causing Abraham to have some fear in his heart.
4- The guests did not even touch the food.Here is the uncorrupted version of this story
{Has the narrative of the noble guests of Abraham come to you? * When they entered upon him, they said ?Peace!?. He said ?Peace, O people unknown! * Then he went to his family and brought a fat calf. * He offered it to them, he said ?Do you not eat?? * He then became fearful of them. They said ?Do not fear?, and they gave him good news of a knowledgeable son * His wife then approached in amazement. She slapped upon her face, and said ?A barren old woman!?}?
Elsewhere in Allah?s book, we read the same story again, and get a new perspective (note how the two perspectives complete each other, forming an independent whole)
{And Our messengers came to Abraham with good news, they said "Peace" He said "Peace," and he made no delay in bringing a roasted calf * But when he saw that their hands did not reach towards it, he mistrusted them, and he began to have fear of them. They said "Have no fear, we have been sent to the people of Lot? * And his wife was standing, so she laughed when We gave her the good news of Isaac, and after Isaac, Jacob. * She said "O my! Shall I give birth when I am an old woman, and here is my husband an old man? This is indeed a strange thing!" * They said "Do you wonder at the decree of Allah? The mercy and blessings of Allah are upon you O people of the Sanctuary. He is Praiseworthy, Glorious."?
We understand, from the above, that the guests of Abraham were unfamiliar and behaved strangely. The word that Abraham used to describe them was ?munkaroon? (plural of munkar), which means simply that strange / unknown / unfamiliar. Also, not eating the food of the host was considered an insult (and still is), in Arabian culture. We also understand that Lot?s town was nearby, and that the messengers were going there to bring down the wrath of Allah on that place. So, Lot?s town is not far from Hebran - Hebra, which itself is near the Oaks of Mamre (sometimes spelled ?Mamra?), which is also near the Kirjat-Arba (the ?Four Towns?). The region is no more than 300 KM south of Mecca.
Please keep this in mind, for later on, when we finally pinpoint where Muhammad (P) was initially located.
What do the ancient Arab poets say about Mamre-Mamra?
Read this and gawk
Yemeni poet A?mr bin Maad Yakreb (more famous by the name Karb al-Zubaidi) wrote
He is remembering past events of a great battle that took place between the tribes of Hamadan and Zubaid (the poet?s own tribe), where their foes, the Hamadani warriors, took refuge in a mountainous vale full of trees. And the day of that battle was called ?Yawmu Mamra? (The Day of Mamra). The verse also mentions the very famous Asiri tribe of Mazen (These events took place during the first or second century A.D. at the latest). In fact, the tribe of Bani Mazen in southern Saudi Arabia, were located in and around the city of Abha, and the name is still - until today - very famous there. If you don?t believe me, type in (Bani Mazen) in the search bar, and see what you get DOZENS of links associating this tribe to the city of Abha, which is 2000 Km above sea level (it will only work if you make the search in Arabic ). Where is Abha? Look at the map below, and see how close this town is to the region depicted in the previous map
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Blue circle Al-Qunfudha
Red circle Abha
Green circle Najran
Black circle MakkahAnother poet, known simply as "Zhul-Rimma", also mentions the same legendary place - The warrior?s solace of Mamra.
Note how often the Yemenis use the pronoun ?Zhu? or "Zhul" in their names. Over 30 Yemeni kings were labeled as ?Zhul - something" ( Zhul? Azhar , Zhu Nawwas , Zhu Raydan, Zhu Jayhan, etc? ). Also, prophet "Zhul? Kifl" mentioned in the Quran was obviously a Yemeni. What about "Pharaoh"? The Quran calls him "Far?oun Zhul? Awtad" , meaning Far?oun of the Tent Pegs (denoting he was no more than a tribal chief).
The list goes on and on?
Every time you encounter a name that begins with ?Zhul? or ?Zhu?, you can rest assured it?s Yemeni.
Here?s what "Zhul? Rimma" says about Mamre-Mamra. If you can read Arabic, you will immediately note how outstanding the description is
I just wish you folks could read what I?m reading, because this is absolutely earth-shattering.
No words in English can do justice to these timeless verses?poetry that comes from the soul. In the second line, he is describing the desolate grove of Mamre as a location to the south of the resting place of the Heroes of Yemen (The cavern graveyards). In the third line, he describes how difficult and treacherous the mountain paths leading to it can be. Finally, in the fourth line he describes the vestiges of an Ethiopian campaign in the region, and the destruction it left behind. Does this ring a bell? Who was the leader of this Ethiopian excursion against the south of Arabia? (Scratch your heads a little, and you?ll get the answer. This is another major clue as to where Muhammad was located).Here is what a third poet, Kaab bin Zuhair (a pre- Islamic poet) says of this legendary tree grove
Again, we have a description of ?Mamra of the Sarat??In the heart of Asir?The greenest, most fertile, and most river-abundant region in all of Arabia, and in the past, the heart of the incense and myrrh trade routes that ran along the slopes of the Sarat Mountains.
It is the same region and the same trade routes mentioned in the story of Joseph.
And they sat down to eat a meal. Then they lifted their eyes and looked, and there was a company of Ishmaelites, coming from Gilead with their camels, bearing spices, balm, and myrrh, on their way to carry down to Misraim (Genesis 3725)
And their father Israel said to them, "If so, then do this Take some of the best fruits of the land in your vessels and carry down a present for the man -- a little balm and a little honey, spices and myrrh, pistachio nuts and almonds (Genesis 4311)
If there is any land in ancient history (before Jerusalem...before Mecca...before Christianity and Judaism) that was blessed to the world, that would be it. There is not a single spot on this entire planet where you will find the names Mamre - Hebran - Miqfalah - all together bundled up in the same region, other than Asir.
Asir , the theater of the Old Testament, was the cradle of all civilizations, and the land of the prophets. And the Muslims who keep insisting that the Levant was the land of the prophets are deluded to the point of insanity.
And the story of Abraham and Sarah, their tribulations and wanderings in the wilderness looking for a place to settle, their digging of the ?Well of Fullness? (Bir? Shabba3a), at the Holy Bayt (the sacred vale where Adam first descended from the earthly paradise high up in the Sarat Mountains) is a 100% ancient Arabic folkloric tale that has been told and retold by the people of that region for over 3000 years.
It has nothing to do with Palestine whatsoever. And the Palestinians have been right all along. The city of Al-Khaleel is NOT the Hebron of the Torah.
And God only knows who is buried there in that catacomb they call ?The Tomb of Abraham?.
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The alleged site of Abraham's tomb in "Hebron", Palestine
Could all these be coincidences?
To Be Continued..
(Next, we will look at the issue of Lot, and the peoples of Ad and Thamud.
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Thank you Pazuzu! handshake
Brilliant as always! sun
bravo bravo bravo
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Peace,
What about "Pharaoh"? The Quran calls him "Far?oun Zhul? Awtad" , meaning Far?oun of the Tent Pegs (denoting he was no more than a tribal chief).
So he owned all the tent pegs? This bible thumping thread is getting more bizarre.
786 did not We made the earth spacious
787 and the mountains awtada (obviously mountain peaks look like inverted spikes)http//media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/42/4e/f6/jabal-noor.jpg
Similarly talks about structures and the people associated with them?
899 and Thamud the ones who carved the rock in the valley
8910 and Pharaoh owner al-awtad (obviously the pyramids look like inverted spikes)http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/All_Gizah_Pyramids.jpg/640px-All_Gizah_Pyramids.jpg
Care to answer history of Yemen from Abraha to when they turned to Islam -- what years?
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Translation
With help The Powerful, and Messiah
King Abraha Zeebman, King
Saba'a, and Zuridan and Hadrmaut -
Peace Pazuzu,
This is my first time reading your posts. I'm grateful that I have stumbled across them today as they are very enlightening. Thank you for all of your dedication into bringing the truth out from what the Yahudis have forged and from what the Muslims blindly accept. May Allah shower you with blessings and may He allow you to continue to bring sight to the blind.
Peace
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This is pretty amazing stuff from Pazuzu. Exceptional research.
I can proudly say that I've read every post from the Muhammad's location thread, to here. Eye-opening reads.
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Misfalah - Near Ibrahim Al-Khaleel Street, Makkah, Saudi Arabia
Macphelah - Cave of Abraham, Mamre, Kirjatharba, Al-Khaleel, Hebron, Palestin
Miqfalah - Near Mimra, near qiryat arba', near qunfudha, Saudi ArabiaAnother case of lisan arabi vs lisan ajami as well tayammuni.
Any input appreaciated...
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Salaam sun
I think Macphelah - Cave of Abraham, Mamre, Kirjatharba, Al-Khaleel, Hebron, Palestin is just a "borrowed name"
If you want to know where is Nazareth you can find 1 in Portugal http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazar%C3%A9_%28Portugal%29
does that mean that Nazareth from bible is here? sure not ...
we also got a land called Fatima http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1tima,_Portugal
-- is this mean that Fatima doughter of Muhamed(P) lived here? sure not.. its a borrowed name from the arab berber presence..hope this exemples clear, i know im not using the best exemples, but its a way to show how Palastine have its names projected from and according to Arabian Peninsula(s.Arabia, Yeman,Oman,Etc), and arquelogy speaks per si... know we now that Palastine/Israel has nothing to do with Prophets
Salaam sun peace
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Very good and clear example NOMAD! Simple and hinting...
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Salaam dear Brothers and Sisters
If by one side we are discovering the routes of Njran/Asir/Sheeban/ etc to know more about People of the Book, i found also suitble to put this video wich also takes down the Phonician fakehistory in Israel/palestine.. and shows us that it is a civ that comes from Oman even according to old classical greeks...somehow its alwaeys a question of bad interpretation, translations, manipulations, etc
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLBW3Rczc_I&feature=related
Well, im not a master dgree in classical languages but even in my roots portuguese is not hard to dicipher this xarade.. sun
Hope is usefull angel
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Peace Bro Pazuzu and All
I read your articles and found it very interesting and concur with you 100%. As such, I quote from an external source with regards to the blessed lands.
Masjidil Aqsa - Place of worship in remote region. The word Aqsa which means remote like isolated,in the wilderness or mountainous. During the time of the Prophet, Jerusalem were flourishing with peoples comprising of the people of the book. As such it cannot be at Jerusalem.
Q-0397 and 2226, The first house was a Masjid,
Q-2822-30, tell us that Prophet Moses was first summoned by GOD at Tursina, Madyan.
Q-5201-04, Tell us that the Tur is asociated with the House. Since there are only two sanctuaries mentioned in the Quran- Q-0396-97, 02125, 1437, 2226-33 which is at Bakkah and
- Q-0502,95,97, 0835, 4825-27, which is the Sacred House in Makkah,
Thus the House mentioned in 5204 can only be the one that was built by Prophet Abraham in Bakkah, Madyan.
Furthermore, Q-9502-03, tell us that the Tursina is in Arabia. Historical documents shows that Madyan is in NW Arabia which is a remote mountainous region.
There are also archeological artifacts found at the seabed of Gulf of Aqaba, where the remains of the Egytion army were and these were dated back to the Exodus of the Israelites - www.wyattmuseum.com
However, archeological artifacts have nothing to say about these miracles whether they happend or not. It is a matter of faith and the Quran is the miraculous gift that GOD has given us.
It is unequovical that the first House built by Prophet Abraham and his son in Bakkah, Madyan,NW Arabia, was the Masjidil Aqsa where propbaly all the prophets were summoned during their ministries including the Last Prophet - Q-1701 & 5301-18.
You quote on December 14 2011
{So when he came to it he was called "O Moses." * "I am your Rabb, so take off your slippers; you are in the holy valley (Tuwa)" * "And I have chosen you, so listen to what is being inspired." ....."Go to Far3oun, for he has transgressed."}...My question to you is
Where is this valley in which Allah addressed Moses, and told him to go and confront Far3oun?
Was it the Nile valley?
The more I read the Quran, the stronger my conviction becomes that the current version of the story we have concerning the history of Arabia and the Israelites is an insane parody that does not fit no matter how much you twist and turn it. The deluded Muslims have gone on believing Jewish lies, which scattered the messengers of Allah all over the ancient world, and separated between father and son, and has led them to the following absurd conclusions
- Iraq is "Holy" because Abraham was born there (in Ur Kaledon which didn't even exist).
- Palestine is "Holy" because Abraham migrated to there, where he settled his wife Sarah, and his son, Isaac the Pure. (Because the Israelites were a "pure race" which descended from Heaven).
- Mecca is "Holy" because Abraham traveled there and settled his servant wench Hagar, and his bastard son, Ismael.
- The Nile Valley is "Holy" because Moses was there, and spoke to Allah.
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The truth which they are refusing to accept is that all these events took place in what Allah called "the Towns", which were scattered around "the Mother of Towns".
And the (Cities were) right on the high road. Behold! in this is a sign for those who believe! And the Companions of the Wood, were also wong doers. So We exacted retribution from them. They were both on an open highway.
The first house of GOD built was in Bakkah, Madyan, and the people of Lot and Shuaib, which happen to be at Madyan and Prophet Muhammad resided at the City that is near to the ruins of Lot and Shuaib. Since Makkah is the city that the Prophet resided, then the Makkah that existed today, is not the original city that the Prophet resided? Can you elucidate?
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- The Perished Nations
In order to walk in Abraham?s footsteps, determine where his original homeland was, where he migrated to, and where he finally settled, we need to take a look at some of the ancient nations of the PRE-ISRAELITE era, that were mentioned in the Quran. Of special importance are Lot?s people, the tribe of Ad, and the tribe of Thamud. Once we establish that these ancient peoples were all in the same geographic region, and that they were similar in terms of culture and impact on that region, we can then grasp the meaning behind Abraham?s journey.
Let?s begin with the issue of Lot (P)
Rain of Rocks
We have previously seen that in his original journey from the land of his fathers - whose location we will eventually pinpoint - Abraham had taken his relative, Lot, along with him at first.
{And We rescued him and Lot to the land which We blessed for the worlds}...
And this ?blessed land? mentioned in the verse is none other than the lush, green and mountainous country of Asir (transliteration 3asir), which later became the hub of the trade routes stretching from Yemen all the way to Mesopotamia and the Levant. Eventually, Abraham and Lot parted ways. Abraham settled in a secluded vale somewhere in the Sarat mountains, dedicating his life and the life of his progeny to the service of Allah, while Lot migrated a short distance and settled in a town somewhere on the mountainous slopes, not far from his relative.
The Quran tells us that Lot?s town was eventually destroyed for its wickidness, by a rain of ?sijjeel" rocks (which means, literally cooked or fiery clay)
{So when Our command came, We turned it upside down, and We rained on it with rocks of cooked clay}...
So what is the story of these rocks, and how exactly did they ?rain? down on the village?
Since we are adopting the principle that the verses of the Quran expound and explain each other, let?s look where else in the Quran do we encounter the term ?sijjeel?. We will find it is mentioned also in the chapter which they call ?The Elephant?
{Have you not seen what your Rabb did to the people of the elephant? * Did He not cause their schemes to go astray? * And He sent upon them tayran ababeel * Striking them with rocks of cooked clay (sijjeel) * Until they became as the empty sheaths of hay}....
(Note we have left the phrase "tayran ababeel" untranslated for now)
According to Islamic mythology and folklore, the ?People of the Elephant? mentioned in those verses were the army of Abraha, who allegedly led a campaign from Ethiopia against the ?Kaaba of Mecca?, as a retaliation (revenge) for an un-named Arab man who had earlier desecrated a holy site (a church) in Yemen, by urinating and defecating in it. (This is the story that Ibn Ishaq reported, and which the vast majority of Muslim scholars have adopted as the truth). Another version of the myth states that Abraha built a magnificent Kaaba in Yemen and wanted to make it the center for pilgrims. When he failed to compete with the "original" Kaaba of the Hijaz, he decided to launch an attack against Mecca, thus incurring the wrath of Allah, who sent flocks of birds that pelted his army with rocks. They believe this happened on the year of the prophet Muhammad?s (P) birth.
It seems that the Free-Minds translation has also endorsed this "birds" story, without even giving a second thought as to how living birds can carry fiery projectiles in their beaks. (Even though the official FM stance is that they disagree with the Abraha story per se).
Although this fairytale has been disproved by archeological findings, which confirmed that Abraha?s campaign was actually against south Arabia and that he never set foot outside Yemen, we will not go into the details here. We will simply state what we have been suspecting ever since we began this journey to find the original location of Muhammad (P) That the northern (Hijazi) Arabs, somewhere along the line, hijacked the history, legends, and culture of the southern Arabs, and claimed it as their own. This truth will eventually shine as bright as the sun by the time we finish this thread.
So we will limit our disscussion to the NATURE of this event, without going into the details of who was the target of it, and attempt to understand it from a logical and scientific point of view - to separate the myth from the reality - taking into consideration the geography and topographical features of the Arabian penninsula.
The key to understanding the ?Chapter of the Elephant? lies in the phrase ?tayran ababeel? which appears in Surah 105 we showed above.
So let?s be brief and straight to the point
The term ?tayran? in the Quranic language does not necessarily indicate a certain kind of creature (birds which have feathers and can fly and land of their own free will), but can also be used in the context of describing a certain kind of movement or motion. This can either be figuritive meanining something that ?flies? (as in moves very fast), or it can be literal, meaning something that actually flies or floats in the air, not of its own free will or ability, but because it was forced/ hurled/ or thrown in the air. So it is basically an involuntary movement. What this means is that anything can be described as ?tayran? if it is flying through the air as a result of being thrown with force. It doesn?t have to be a bird.
To understand this analogy, let?s look at the following
{And We guided/led Abraham to the location of the Sanctuary "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My Sanctuary for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the kneeling, the prostrating * And call out to the people with the Hajj, they will come to you rijalan and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure}?
Please note the word ?rijalan? which appears in the above verse. Although we usually understand the word as being the plural of ?rajul? , which means ?man? (adult human male), the context does NOT necessarily mean that. It is simply describing the WAY or MEANS by which the people came to the Sanctuary (Bayt) to witness benefits for themselves. The word ?rijalan? is actually derived from ?rjl?, which means the lower LEG. So the context is clear Some people will come to the Bayt riding on mounts, while others will come ?rijalan?, meaning walking on their legs. So it is describing a way of moving to the place, not a particular person or visitor. This means that the ?rijalan? being mentioned can actually be women!
By the exact same logic, the word ?tayran? which appears in the verses of the chapter of ?The Elephant? is describing a form of motion, NOT a particular creature (or bird). It is talking about some form of floating or flying thing that pelted them with rocks of cooked, firey clay.
What about the word ?ababeel? (ل. ?
Let?s see what Ibn Manzhour says in ?Lisan ?ul-Arab?
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He is basically telling us that the word is used to describe clusters or groups of something, of which no singular (unit) item can be picked out. So technically, they were bombarded with projectiles that came upon them cluster after cluster, group after group.
Can this event be anything other than a volcanic eruption, which involved wave after wave (ababeel) of volcanic clouds - showering them with fiery rocks? Is the term ?ababeel? not accurate in its description of the volcanic projectiles as CLUSTERS (meaning that no single or unit can be picked out?). Is the word ?tayran? anything other than bursts of ash clouds whcih floated in the sky and carried rocks of lava (cooked clay) with which it pelted the People of the Elephant?
Is this not the same kind of rock that destroyed Lot?s town?
{He (Abraham) said What is your undertaking, O messengers? * They said We have been sent to a criminal people * To send down upon them stones of clay.}?
Who are the criminals mentioned in the above, if not Lot?s people? And why is it that the messengers (Mala?ika of nature control) are saying that they are going THEMSELVES to deal with those criminals?. Why are no birds mentioned here?
It appears that the Muslim brain declared its resignation centuries ago, and has gone to sleep in a cave. It simply refuses to work. Logic and reason are apparently not the stuff which Hadithi Islam is based upon.
The truth is that the sijjeel rock that took the People of the Elephant is the SAME rock that destroyed Lot?s town. The two peoples were destroyed by a volcanic eruption, which literally rained down molten (cooked) clay on them from the sky. These projectiles burst from the core of the earth at temperatures of 1500?C. If they land on a human being, they will suck up the moisture from the body in seconds, leaving it resembling the dried husk of a rotten fruit, or the wrinkled sheath of wheat blades that have been emptied or eaten. This is EXACTLY how the Quran describes it in Surah 105. This is what happens when all the water, which constitutes 80% of the human body, is evaporated. It will make the victims look like they were emptied (eaten) from the inside.
As for the rampant and absurd belief that Muslims have, which mentions actual birds pelting the stones, let?s see what is written in the books of ?tafseer and tradition?, which they claim are necessary to ?explain? the Quran
1- ?Tafseer? of Al-Qurtubi (as he heard it reported by Said bin Jubair)
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Translation ?They were birds the likes of which were never seen before, nor ever after?.they were green, and had yellow beaks?
2- Narrated by Jouwayber, who heard it from Al-Dahhak, who heard it from Ibn Abbas, who heard it from the Prophet, who said
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Translation "I heard the Messenger of Allah (P) say They were birds not from the earth, nor from the sky, but made their homes and hatched somewhere in between".
(Please note the presence of a figure called ?Al-Dahhak? in the chain of this ?holy? narration. This name appears very often in the books of Hadith, and always involves something outrageous or illogical. It?s actually a nickname meaning ?the laugher? or ?he who laughs?. That?s right. They have laughed at us for centuries and made a mockery of Allah?s book, while we have been sleeping in our cave).
And you know very well of whom I speak...
3- Also from Ibn Abbas
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Translation "They had the beaks of birds and the shoulders of dogs!"
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4- Narrated by 3akrama
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Translation "They were green birds which came out of the sea, and had the heads of wolves. They were never seen before nor after then".
5- Narrated by Aisha, wife of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with her)
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Translation "They resembled bats, and were black and red in color".
May Allah be pleased with her, for she has truly lifted the confusion surrounding this matter!
I think that's enough examples for now....
My questions to those few remaining Muslims on this Earth who refuse to put their brains to sleep, and refuse to succumb to the tyranny of the Salafi interpretations
Must we be restrained with the chains of these narrations and sayings even now, in the 21st Century? Are these narrations and ?tafseers? the words of Allah? Don?t we have the right to refuse their opinions and read Allah?s book through our own eyes, with the aid of scientific knowledge? Is it possible that Muhammad (P) did NOT know that the word ?tayran? can also be the description of the movement of something and not necessarily to mean birds; while the authors of Arabic lexicons knew better than he did? Is it possible that all these contradicting descriptions of these mysterious ?birds? which we read in the above hadiths actually came from the Prophet? Or is it they are contradictory becasue they are all MANMADE traditions and writings that were penned by some imbeciles of the Ummayad and Abbasid ages, many centuries after Muhamad (P)?
{Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many discrepencies}...
I defy any Sunnah-follower to come here and answer these questions.
The truth of the matter is that even the Torah itself clearly describes what happened to the people of Lot as follows
Then the LORD rained down fire and sulfur (brimstone) on Sodom and Gomorrah?from the LORD out of the heavens (Genesis ? 1924)
Fire and sulphur...
This is clearly a volcanic eruption, and it means that the towns were located in places where there were volcanic MOUNTAINS, or else the Torah and the Quran would not have described it as a ?rain of rocks?. Furthermore, the volcanic openings must be high, in order for it to appear as a rain.
Let?s look at the following volcanic map of Arabia
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Explanation
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The two red arrows point at the tectonic fault line which lies underneath the Red Sea bed, between Africa and Arabia.
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The red dots scattered everywhere are epicenters of earthquakes that occurred at some point in recent history.
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The black square marks the location of Makkah.
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The triangles are obviously the volcanoes. Look closely at the map, and you will see that the biggest cluster of volcanoes happens to be in the green circle, which is the area of Yemen-Ethiopia. On the other hand, the volcanoes of north Arabia (the brown circle) are fewer, and not as tightly clustered together.
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Look at the Jordan-Palestine area, directly to the north of the brown circle. Do you see any volcanoes there? The blue circle marks the location of the Dead Sea, where the conjecture-makers and forgers of history claim the town of Lot was located. Do you see any volcanoes around that place? The only volcanoes in the entire Levant region are in the Golan Highland in the south of Syria (the orange circle), and nowhere near the Dead Sea area.
I don?t want to end up spamming this thread with photos, so here is a little experiment you can try
In the Yahoo or Google search bar, type in ?volcanoes in Palestine? or ?volcanoes in Jordan?, and see for yourselves how many results you can get. I defy you to find me a single volcanic mountain in the Dead Sea area. (The area does in fact lie along the fault line, and there have been earthquakes centered there in the past, but there are no volcanoes or lava fields anywhere in the area).
In contrast, type in ?volcanoes in Arabia?, and see what you get.
Now going back to the Quran, we find some very strong clues that the town of Lot was not far from where Muhammad (P) was preaching, and that Muhammad?s (P) people passed by it day and night in their comings and goings
{And Lot was one of the messengers * When We saved him and all his family * Except an old woman who perished * Then, We destroyed the rest. * And you pass by their ruins in the morning; * And in the night. Do you not comprehend?}?
The above verse caused a huge problem to the hadith-followers and classical ?interpreters? of the Quran, because they approached it while bearing the pre-conceived belief that Palestine was the land of the prophets. But on the other hand, they believe that the verse was addressed to the Meccans. So how did they solve this discrepancy?
They solved it by putting words into Allah?s mouth and twisting the verse, as usual, to make it fit with their pre-conceived ideas. If you go now and open any book of ?tafseer?, you will note that they insert, in brackets, words that are NOT FOUND in the original text of the Quran. They render the verse as such
{And you pass by their ruins (on your trade journeys from Mecca to Palestine) in the morning; * And in the night. Do you not comprehend?}
The underlined phrase is a blatant corruption of the meaning, and this for the following reasons
1- Nowhere is there any indication that the verses are addressing only the traders or merchants from among Muhammad?s people.
2- The original text says that they pass by it day and night. This expression clearly means that the ruins of Lot?s town cannot be more than 15 or 20 KM from where Muhammad (P) was located.
3- It contradicts with another verse, elsewhere, which states
{So when Our command came, We turned it upside down, and We rained on it fiery clay projectiles * Marked from your Rabb, and it is not far from the wicked.}?
This means that the disbelievers who persecuted Muhammad (P) and eventually forced him and his followers out of their homes could clearly see the remains of Lot?s town, which was not far from them.
Does this sound to you like it?s buried under the Dead Sea?
Even the scientific-minded Christian skeptics have long dismissed the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a myth. Some, however, are more reluctant to dismiss it, but seriously doubt the location. Check out this link
http//rambambashi.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/sodom-and-gomorrah-they-will-never-find-it/
Next thing you know, a team of submarines and divers are going to look under the Dead Sea for it! (Oh yeah, there IS a volcano in Palestine, actually...but it's UNDER the Dead Sea).
To these people I say Happy hunting!
So, until now, the two candidates for the location of Lot?s town are the brown circle (north Arabia) and the green circle (south Arabia). But by the end of this thread we will see that only one can be the true location.
The Carvers of the Mountains
One of Hitler?s famous officers once advised the F?hrer and said to him the following ?Lie, and lie, and lie, and keep on lying?eventually, the people will believe you?.
In order for a lie to spread and become part of a people?s belief system, it must indeed have two ingredients
First it must be repeated over and over again.
Second it must be supported by the state (political power).Think of how the rampant Christianity of today was created It was a story invented by Paul, for political reasons, and preached repeatedly in Jerusalem, decades after Jesus? death. The story did in fact meet a lot of resistance from Jesus? followers at first, until the Roman Empire itself, with all its financial and political power, decided to back it up. It was then that Constantine himself "embraced" Paul?s creed, and embellished the story with Pagan beliefs that were rampant in the region at the time?and so the LIE that is Christianity spread like a wildfire.
The Arabs of Hijaz have been LYING to the world for many centuries and claiming that the so-called Mada?in Saleh, in the north of Arabia are the ruins of the people of Thamud whom are mentioned in the Quran, and to whom Prophet Saleh was sent.
They recite the following verses out of context (among others)
{And remember that He made you successors after 'Aad, and He established you in the land so that you make palaces on its plains, and you carve homes in the mountains. So remember the grace of Allah, and do not roam the land as corrupters}?
and...
{And Thamud, who carved the rocks in the valley}?
Then, they market to the world the claim that these carved rock chambers shown in the photos below were the dwellings of Thamud
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To support their claims, they throw in your faces hadiths attributed to the Prophet Muhammad (P), in which he prohibited people from settling near these structures, because they were the setting of a great chastisement of Thamud, in the bygone days.
Until archeology proved them wrong?
Let?s read a little about this scandal
Here is a link to a website in Arabic, where Saudi archeologists, with the help of European teams on the ground, have completely denied any evidence that these structures have anything to do with the Thamud of the Quran whatsoever. If you can read Arabic, go ahead and verify for yourself. If you can?t, I will translate some of the main points that have been brought to our attention by a team of scientists who apparently were not afraid to come out with the truth, whatever the cost (the article is taken from Al-Sharq al Awsat Newspaper, and copy-pasted onto a religious forum)
http//www.aljsad.net/t85656.html
(I urge you to read it if you can, before it is removed)
Title The Ruins of Al-Hijr are Nabatean
Archeologists ?The structures of Al-Hijr have no relation whatsoever with the Prophet Saleh?
Report made by Halima Mizhfar
A team of archeologists and specialists has confirmed to the newspaper that they have found absolutely no proof whatsoever of those people to whom the Prophet Saleh (P) was sent, and that the sites commonly known as Mada?en Saleh, in the north of Arabia, are in way related to the tribe of Thamud.
The following are the main eye-opening points that the team of scientists has mentioned
1- The structures are actually Nabatean tomb chambers (crypts), NOT dwellings or homes.
2- Zero Thamudic inscriptions were found at the site. (Remember that Thamudic is a South Arabian alphabet that originated in Yemen, the oldest inscriptions of which date back to around the 10th Century BC). The inscriptions found at the Hijr site in North Saudi Arabia are Nabatean (Aramaic), NOT Thamudic.
3- Most importantly, that they were carved no earlier than 100 BC!!!
How can these structures, which go back to the first century BC, have anything to do with a people as ancient as Thamud? The Quran tells us that Thamud were among the confederates (Ahzab) of very ancient nations. They were descendants of Ad who, in turn, were descendants of Noah.
What this means is that the era of Thamud must have been in or around the same era as Abraham (no earlier than 1500 BC).
Do you see the discrepancy now? This scandalous discovery has put the Hadithers in a very precarious situation. Prominent Saudi Archeologist Faraj?ullah Ahmad Yousef points to a fatwa that was issued by the Fiqh Council of Saudi Arabia in the year 1392 (That is by the Hijra calendar), which prohibited visitors to the site from tarrying too long or eating and drinking near it, based on their interpretation of a Hadith which claims that it was the site of Prophet Saleh?s people!
Assistant manager to the Ministry of Archeology, Mutlaq Suleiman al-Mutlaq, has also confirmed the findings, and stated that the examination of the structures (of which there are some 132) and the chemical analysis of the bones buried therein, has proven that they were made around 100 BC (give or take a few years), and that it coinsides with the era of the Nabatean kingdom.
Do you know what this means, brothers and sisters?
It means that the same people who carved these?
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Petra, Jordan
Also made these...
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Mada'in Saleh, Northern Hijaz, Saudi-Arabia
Finally, it is worth mentioning that the ?Sharq al-Awsat Newspaper? team visited the site on May 14, 2006, and wrote a report about the region and about the religious controvercy surrounding it. The report also quoted many western archeologists who had visited the region, notably British Professor John Healy of Manchester University, who confirmed that the so-called ?Mada?in Saleh? are in fact Nabatean, and completely falsified Muslim beliefs that they have anything to do with the Prophet Saleh, or the people of Thamud.
Furthermore, the Quran is clear in saying that Thamud carved their HOMES from rock. It does not say anything about crypts.
Here is a photo from the interior of their alleged ?Mada?en Saleh?
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Saleh4.jpg
Do these look like homes to you? Do we believe SCIENCE, or do we believe HEARSAY?
You want to know who Thamud were? Look at the following map please, and tell me why there is a city called Thamud in Eastern Yemen (The green star marks the location of the city of Najran).
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Here is a photo of this city, which was established in remembrance of the ancient tribe that lived in that region, in the northernmost reaches of the Hadramaut valley, just south of the Rub-al-Khali desert.
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City of Thamud, Yemen
Now, according to Wikipedia (the LAST place you want to look in to obtain scientific and non-biased information), the Thamud were originally in Yemen, but then migrated north to the Hijaz, and built Madae?n Saleh!!! (applause and drums please!). This shows you how reliable a source they are. Not only is this a lie, as we have shown, but it also defies the Quran itself, which states that Thamud were OBLITERATED completely. They did not migrate to anywhere, and they sure as Hell didn?t build crypts in the Northern Hijaz area.
{And from Thamud He left none}?
Plain and simple.
The Quran is correct, as confirmed by archeology.
Wikipedia and Bukhary are both wrong.Conclusion Thamud were an ancient Yemeni people, who lived around 1500 BC. They were among the perished nations of south Arabia, that were destroyed just like their predecessors Noah and Ad, and just as Farou?n and his goons were destroyed later on. All of these nations were in the same region.
Please read the following, and contemplate
{Has the narrative of the soldiers come to you? * Far?oun and Thamud?}?
Why would the Malaik?a of revelation point this out to Muhammad (P)? What relation did Farou?n have with Thamud, and why were they both mentioned TOGETHER as examples?
Still not convinced?
Here is the famous verse from Surah 89, this time quoted in context
{Did you not see what your Rabb did to Aad? * Iram of the pillars? * The likes of which were not made in the land? * And Thamud, who carved the rocks in the valley * And Far?oun of the Pegs * They all transgressed in the land * And caused much corruption therein * So your Lord poured upon them a measure of retribution.}?
Again the examples are given to Muhammad (P) of the fate of the previous nations. ?Did you not see, Oh Muhammad, what Allah did to them? To Ad, Thamud, and Far'oun? Those who were corruptors in the land??.
Which land was that?
Egypt or Yemen?
Incidentally, since we mentioned the Thamudic script, here is some info on ZABUR (the south Arabian Alphabet)
http//www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/South_Arabian_alphabet
Look it up anywhere you want ?ZABUR script?. Does the word sound familiar? (Think What did Allah give prophet David?. What script did the ancient Yemenis write their poetic ballads - the PSALMS - in?)
This is another proof of where ancient Israel was located.
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Thamudic Inscription - Sana?a Museum
And with each further post, we move closer and closer to uncovering the story of Abraham's journey and, ultimately, the answer to the age-old puzzle of who Muhammad (P) was, and where he lived.
One more post remains?
To be continued?