Road of the Patriarch
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Seems that nobody has said anything abour protosemitic for the momento, I have been seeing around a little and what seems to be certain concerning the proto semitic lady is that it is a hypothesis -not to harp on the thing, but it being a fact- just as much a hypothesis as the one put forward by Pazuzu and others.
I mean, to put a diagram with the hypothetical chronological appearance of languages given names and sorted out hypothetically is a working insturment is not a proof of anything. Just as good to suppose that as to suppose that in fact if there is a protosemitic, that protosemitic might have been in fact the a earliest version of Arabic.
Salaam
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I mean, to put a diagram with the hypothetical chronological appearance of languages given names and sorted out hypothetically is a working insturment is not a proof of anything. Just as good to suppose that as to suppose that in fact if there is a protosemitic, that protosemitic might have been in fact the a earliest version of Arabic.
Your statement of "Proto semitic is an earliest version of Arabic" is TRUE.
As TRUE as "Proto semitic is an earliest version of Hebrew, Aramaic, Phoenician, Amharic, Assyrian and Babylonian language".
And "Pre Proto Semitic" is an earliest version of "Proto Semitic".Like I said; Human migration pattern and biological + cultural evolution is a complex issue..
Yet the evolution pattern should go from Simpler -> More Complex..
All semitic languages can be categorized as "Complex" languages, there are genders, declension, cases etc..
As thus it's not an 'early language'.There are far more simpler languages in the world today which are genderless and with far more simpler cases and no declension. (Such as polynesians) Those simpler languages is a stronger candidate than 'any semitic language' for 'earlier languages' the language that all of our early ancestor spoke...
But again I think "tracing the root of all languages" is not the main objective of Pazuzu or anybody else in this matter.
The objective is more towards to show "Yemen / Southern Arabia hegemony above all cultures/languages"..Salam / Peace
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I have not seen that Pazuzu has spoken or purported or promoted any hegemony of any kind. He has put forward some explanations of matters dealt with in the Qur'an which some people reject while assuming other hegemonic ideas. But for someone who has a signature like yours I guess that to take anything Arab without denigrating it might be outrageous challenge.
As to linguistic theories, there are many indeed and none has been proven true, more true than others. You are not revealing anything saying that there are many kinds of languages of many types and structures, we are well aware of that.
Concerning semitic languages, my impression is that the likeliest candidate to being the prototype is Arabic, notwithstanding your contention that languages should go from simpler to more complex. It may be so or not, there are many examples of the opposite. At any rate that would also be a hypothesis and you have not brought anything about protosemitic that enlightens the question any more.
Salaam
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But for someone who has a signature like yours I guess that to take anything Arab without denigrating it might be outrageous challenge.
Another unproven hypothesis.. rotfl rotfl rotfl
And how does 'my signature' got to do with our discussion?By the way; by blood I'm an "Iraqi".. whether Iraqi is an arab.. that's left for 'politics' to answer.. I can be an arab by modern nationalistic definition or babylonian / assyrian as well..
Concerning semitic languages, my impression is that the likeliest candidate to being the prototype is Arabic
Again you're not being 'objective' here.. perhaps due to your 'arabic' blood?? Which clouded your judgement?
I can say with the same confident level that Assyrian language is the prototype of semitic language.notwithstanding your contention that languages should go from simpler to more complex. It may be so or not, there are many examples of the opposite.
It's less likely.. as many other of human cultural element..
An example on 'clothing'... how would 'earlier people' dress?
Like This?
http//4.bp.blogspot.com/_gCn9Jo-iOCU/SuWMMb-f5lI/AAAAAAAAAFk/Dlg0YVY7y0I/s400/arabs.jpgOr like this?
http//images.travelpod.com/tripwow/photos/ta-00b6-0e60-cb13/papua-women-indonesia-indonesia+12902385220-tpfil02aw-24681.jpg
Again this strengthen the simple->complex evolution path, the polynesians/papuan languages are genderless, no declension or cases. much more simpler than any semitic languages.
This will be my last post on this topic.. as this discussion has nothing to do with being 'good' or 'bad'.
Adam, Abraham, Moses etc.. can be in Antarctic or Mars for all I care..You're free to believe whatever you want, yet truth stands out clear from error...
Salam / Peace
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Yet the evolution pattern should go from Simpler -> More Complex..
We are talking about language here, not living organisms. And many linguists, starting from the 1960's, as well as experts in the field of phonetics, do not agree with your stance.
You need to broaden your perspective and stop relying on wikipedia.com (or other "wikis" of its ilk), as a source of knowledge, because the people who post on those sites are simply reiterating what they have been taught since their school days. These people can't grasp the difference between oral speech and written alphabet. When I say Arabic is the oldest language, I do NOT mean its alphabet in any way, shape or form. I mean the oral arabic speech, which contains easlily 100x more phonemes than Hebrew, and a vocabulary that is easily 100x that of the former, could not possibly have evolved from Hebrew. The oral speech can exist thousands of years before its written, alphabetical form. This is what they fail to grasp.
You need to read the works of scholars like
- Sabatino Moscati
- Sigrid Hunke
- Pierre Rossi (IF you can find an English translation of his works)
- Ahmad Dawood
- Kamal Salibi (to whom Hebrew was almost like a native language, alongside Arabic)
- G.R.Driver (professor of Modern Hebrew at Oxford University).
Finally, I urge you to check these out
http//www.alislam.org/topics/arabic/The%20source%20of%20all%20the%20languages.pdf
http//www.alislam.org/topics/arabic/English%20traced%20to%20Arabic.pdf
Before you dismiss these as the ramblings of a misguided Ahmadiyya Muslim, you need to know that the TRUTH can be told by the tongue of anyone. And what this "misguided" person from Pakistan is saying happens to also ring a bell with many other scholars from all regions of the world.
These scholars have all confirmed that the spoken (ORAL) Arabic of the Quran existed side by side with Aramaic, Phoenician, Thamudic, and Sabean, even during the "biblical" times. Of course this will come as a shock to you, and to all others who have taken conventional and inherited beliefs as the authority over the truth, and choose to live in arrogance and denial.
They have also confirmed that ALL the so-called "Semitic" languages were in fact more accurately DIALECTS which evolved from one mother tongue. And that the absolute closest to that original proto-tongue is Arabic. This origianal speech, in its pure, oral form, was spoken in SW Arabia, a region that has been proven to be the origin of all Semitic migrations. WIKIPEDIA admits this now.
And even laymen like you and I as well
Try this
http//www.nidokidos.org/threads/28832-The-Arabic-Language-the-Root-of-all-Languages
Did you know, for instance, that the name "Europa", given to that continent, was derived from a legend of a south Arabian princess called "3arruba"?
Did you know that the ancient name of Sana'a (capital of Yemen) was UZAL , a name which appears in the OT, and that the traditions of the region labeled it as city of Shem, son of Noah? And that it is the oldest human settlement on Earth, established by the son of Noah himself, right after the Great Flood? Why is there no trace of this cutlture in Palestine? Can you answer that? Why is it that the Quran mentions the MOTHER of TOWNS, and it just so happens that the oldest Quranic manuscript in history was found stashed in a mosque in Sana'a, while there hasn't been a single relic of Muhammad (P) in their alleged "holy" city of Mecca?
Did you know that among the descendends of Noah, whose names are Shem, Uzal, Hazaramaveth, Shibam, are all names of ancient Yemeni cities, and that all these names appear to the letter in the Old Testament? Call me crazy, but why don't you go look up this information? And why are the names of the 125+ tribes returning from the Exile, who appear on the Persian roster of king Cyrus, all happen to be "by coincidence" names of ancient Yemeni tribes?
The objective is more towards to show "Yemen / Southern Arabia hegemony above all cultures/languages"
Wrong.
The purpose is to show you where the origin of the divine messages mentioned in the Quran where, and where the TRUE and FORGOTTEN land of the prophets was, as opposed to the FAKE land of prophets which has been repeatedly fed to usand marketed as Palestine. I am not proving hegemony, nor am I "obssessed" with Yemen. What I am "obssessed" with is finding the TRUTH. You show me a shred of proof that Palestine, Ethiopia, Venezuela or Tazmania was the land of the Prophets, and I will discard Yemen like an old shoe. But until then, I suggest you refrain from making baseless slander.
The ancient peoples who lived in Mesopotamia and Phoenicia did not magically drop from the sky, as many here on this forum believe. They came from South Arabia, carrying with them their cultures, religious beliefs, and legends. And among these legends was a Great Flood that has been told and retold in several versions, since before 3000 BC.
And there is more proof coming your way...
Peace..
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Did you know that among the descendends of Noah, whose names are Shem, Uzal, Hazaramaveth, Shibam, are all names of ancient Yemeni cities, and that all these names appear to the letter in the Old Testament?
Peace..But I think you are assuming that this is actual historical documentation in the same way we look at historical documentation. What if people who settled in those places CHOSE names based on legends, or if the author(s) of the accounts in Genesis wrote the names of existing people INTO the stories? Meshech and Tubal are also listed as descendants of Noah, and some argue that the etymology of the name Meshech evolved into "Moschi", and the city of Moscow is named for him. The same for Tubal, for whom the city of Tobolsk was named for.
http//bible-library.com/Meshech
I gotta be honest, I think you are assuming too much here.
-Joel
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Another unproven hypothesis.. rotfl rotfl rotfl
And how does 'my signature' got to do with our discussion?By the way; by blood I'm an "Iraqi".. whether Iraqi is an arab.. that's left for 'politics' to answer.. I can be an arab by modern nationalistic definition or babylonian / assyrian as well..
Again you're not being 'objective' here.. perhaps due to your 'arabic' blood?? Which clouded your judgement?
I can say with the same confident level that Assyrian language is the prototype of semitic language.It's less likely.. as many other of human cultural element..
An example on 'clothing'... how would 'earlier people' dress?
Like This?
http//4.bp.blogspot.com/_gCn9Jo-iOCU/SuWMMb-f5lI/AAAAAAAAAFk/Dlg0YVY7y0I/s400/arabs.jpgOr like this?
http//images.travelpod.com/tripwow/photos/ta-00b6-0e60-cb13/papua-women-indonesia-indonesia+12902385220-tpfil02aw-24681.jpg
Again this strengthen the simple->complex evolution path, the polynesians/papuan languages are genderless, no declension or cases. much more simpler than any semitic languages.
This will be my last post on this topic.. as this discussion has nothing to do with being 'good' or 'bad'.
Adam, Abraham, Moses etc.. can be in Antarctic or Mars for all I care..You're free to believe whatever you want, yet truth stands out clear from error...
Salam / Peace
I couldn't care less about what you are or are not and how often it changes, nor do I about what you think I am (you should get a better crystal ball) nor am I interested in your speculations or lessons.
I pointed out that you adscribe to Pazuzu something like Arab hegemonism, while you have in your own signature something which is boisterously bigotted. Just that. And I am not against your doing it nor your being bigotted -each one is free to be as childish as one pleases-, but do not expect to do that and at the same time be taken seriously.
As to the content of Pazuzu's writings in this thread, his is an opinion, and yours is another one. Yours is not better recommended that Pazuzu's and, given your signature, guaranteed biased.
As to the pretty pictures, in this matter of languages, one image, I am afraid, is not worth a thousand words, rather the opposite would be true.
Salaam
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Try this
http//www.nidokidos.org/threads/28832-The-Arabic-Language-the-Root-of-all-Languages
And there is more proof coming your way...
Peace..
Parents and people in charge of education are asked to put Arabic back to the place it deserves that is at the top of all languages. It?s the language of people of Paradise.
nice try though.. rotfl
next "proof" please.. wow
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This is excellent.. bravo
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In the Footsteps of Abraham
Ziad Minah (1991)
Preface
He appears suddenly in the center of Arabia, to settle his ?concubine? Hagar and his infant son Ismael in the heart of some desolate valley. Then he leaves them there and travels back, at the ripe old age of 80, to the Levant, over 1200 kilometers away, on foot or on the back of a donkey ?? Then he returns again to Arabia, crossing another 1200+ kilometers, to check up on Hagar and his son. And again, and again, repeating the trip no less than 6 times, as the Islamic books of tradition tell us, and as Ibn Katheer reports
"... ( ز ..."
Translation ?? and Abraham would travel repeatedly to visit his son and the mother of his son in the Faran country (another name they gave to the Hijaz mountains) to check up on them.?
This is what they have been teaching us for centuries about Abraham?s multiple and mysterious journeys between Hijaz and Palestine. And if we ever use our reason and contemplate these claims, we will come to the conclusion that Abraham traveled a distance totaling ? in the least ? 15,000 kilometers on foot, or on his donkey; and that?s NOT including his original journey from Mesopotamia and his several alleged forays into Egypt, which we have left out of the equation to make the calculation more simple. This means that Abraham?s trips to and from the Hijaz totaled a distance exceeding the entire circumference of the planet, which measures about 12,800 KM at the equator. And when any person with a single brain cell still functioning in his head asks the question of how an 80 year old goat-herder could travel such distances across desolate wastelands and scorching deserts, and what was the purpose of repeating the trip no less than 6 times, that person would find the age-old answer also in the books of tradition, as Ibn Katheer puts it
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Translation ?And it was reported that he (Abraham) would ride the Pegasus (al-Buraq) to there, and Allah knows best?
Allah knows best, indeed?
The fact is that this strange explanation puts the mind at a fork in the road. The first branch takes the reader towards accepting the story as it is, without questioning, because its source is considered ?divine? and not to be doubted (Allah Said So!). And this is the road that 99.99% of Muslims, who have completely discarded their brains and logic, have taken.
Or, the reader can take the second road, refuse the story outright, and sound the warning buzzard to the nations, that a great forgery was perpetrated in the account of the Patriarch Abraham. And very few people have chosen to walk this road, despite the dozens of warnings in the Quran that the Jewish priests had tampered with the previous messages and corrupted the biographies of the prophets ? warnings which have gone unheeded for ages.
So where do we begin? And what is the solution to this puzzle?
I think the best place would be to ask the following question, which I am sure most Muslims have asked at some point in their lives
Why don?t the Jews and the Christians recognize Abraham?s association with Arabia?
Both creeds agree on the details of the Patriarch?s life, from the time he was born (allegedly in Mesopotamia), to his migration to ancient Palestine (the alleged ?Promised Land?), to his forays into Egypt, to the identity of his two sons (Ismael and Isaac), to the story of the expulsion of his ?servant wench? Hagar and her infant son (Ismael) at the whim of his wife Sarah, etc?
Even the Muslims themselves agree with the Jews and Christians on 90% of these ?facts?, with the exception of small details that are really only minor issues. But there are two important episodes in the life of Abraham which are not commonly agreed upon by the followers of the three creeds ? episodes that ONLY the Muslims recognize
1- The religious debate that Abraham had with the rejecters from among his native people, and his destruction of their idols. NOWHERE is this mentioned in the Old Testament. The Torah claims that Abraham left his homeland simply because God wanted to direct him to the ?Promised Land flowing with milk and honey?. It doesn?t mention anything about the debate he had with the elders of his people, and the threats they made against him. (This is VERY important, and we will get back to it later on).
2- That the heart of Arabia, and precisely the coastal region of the Tahama of southern Hijaz, was an important station in Abraham?s life.
According to the rampant Muslim creed, Abraham (whom they too believe was born in Mesopotamia), made no more than a ?passing visit? to the heart of Arabia, where he ?dropped off? his expulsed ?wench? Hagar, and his infant son Ismael, in the middle of a desolate valley, left them there ALONE, and then went back to ancient Palestine, over 1200 KM away. Afterwards, he made repeated visits to them, year after year, to check up on them, until Ismael became of age, at which time he and his father (who was over 90 years old by that time) built a cubic structure in the precise spot where the city of Mecca lies today, and this cube became the House of Allah. Finally, Abraham said goodbye to his son Ismael, who eventually became the ?father of the Arabs?, and went back to Palestine (crossing another 1200 KM), to his ?real? family, Sarah and Isaac (from whose descendants came the Israelites) and died there, and his tomb is still found today in the city of Hebron.
This is the story that we must accept as the unquestionable truth, because ?Allah Said So?. Even a Muslim scientist, who has doctorate degree in nuclear physics, believes in this story, because ?religion? ? as he calls it ? is not a domain for logic (such is their schizophrenia).
Well, with all due respect to your beliefs, dear brothers and sisters, here is what I think This story is nothing but a pile of bull excrement. And it reeks of Jewish LIES, and a conspiracy to hide the history of ancient Arabia, to put a big void in its place, and to project the events that took place in it onto the surrounding lands, for reasons that are purely selfish and imperialistic.
The next question is Does the Old Testament really not mention Abraham?s association with Arabia? Or is there something we are missing?
Let?s now analyze some of the passages in the Torah and see what hidden truths can still be found underneath the pile of forgeries.
- The Migration of Abraham
The Septuagint Torah details the voyage of Abraham (P) from the time he left the land of his fathers, which it claims was in Mesopotamia, during the Chaldean era (in the city of Ur, precisely).
And Terah took his son Abram and his grandson Lot, the son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram's wife, and they went out with them from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan; and they came to Haran and dwelt there (Genesis 1131)
Then He said to him, "I the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it." (Genesis 157)
The above passages are among all that the Septuagint priests needed to transfer Abraham?s name to Mesopotamia (the present Iraq), and make him an ?Iraqi? of the Chaldean era.
So let us now ponder over this information and see if it is true, or another of their forgeries which they perpetrated on some moonless night, and passed onto the world.
Scholars place Abraham to have lived anywhere between 2000 BC and 1700BC. So let?s take the latest limit and say he lived around 1700 BC. This seems more logical because it is in line with the number of generations which passed between Abraham and Moses. And it is here that the first warning buzzard must be sounded. We said before, that when someone forges a text, he is bound to leave a clue somewhere, or to make a mistake which eventually exposes him.
The question here is What on Earth does the era of the Chaldeans have to do with the life of Abraham? It appears that Allah made the corruptors forget that the Chaldean dynasty began somewhere around 630 B.C, after the death of the last Assyrian king, Ashurbanipal, and was ended around 539 B.C, when the Persians conquered Mesopotamia. This information is known to first year university students of ancient history.
What this means is that the Chaldean period started and ended over 1,000 years after Abraham?s time, and some 600 years after Moses? time.
So just how the Hell did the Torah ? which is supposed to have been ?revealed? to Moses, as they claim ? know about the Chaldean period?
Believing in this glaring anachronism is like believing the claim that Napoleon Bonaparte was a member of King Herod?s court. And they want us to applaud and play the drums to this blatant forgery as unquestionable truth. The evidence is so clear that only an imbecile would fail to see it. The Septuagints lived in the 3rd and 4th century BC. They knew very well of the Chaldean kingdom, which was a world superpower barely 200 years before them. This scandalous claim which we read in the Greek Torah, which was eventually translated into all the languages of the modern West, has always baffled scholars and commentators, who tried to find some kind of excuse ? anything ? to vindicate the mention of ?Chaldeans? associated with the era of Abraham. The only thing they could say was that the Jewish priests had perpetrated this forgery on purpose, in order for the future generations to lay claim to Mesopotamia, since Abraham ? according to them ? was born there.
In his book ?Myths of the Bible How ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History? (page 115,116), Biblical scholar Gary Greenberg says
It was indeed the Jews who had assisted the Persians in their conquest of Mesopotamia, and in their toppling of the Chaldean reign. Consequently, Cyrus the Great allowed them to return to their ancient homeland in Ur-Salem of YEMEN and rebuild their temple there, in the Heights of Himyar. (All this took place when the Jerusalem of Palestine was no more than an insignificant hamlet).
Unfortunately, the discovery of this ?Biblical Scandal? only increased the stubbornness and pride of those who wanted to defend the Jewish forgery, until eventually, through their devious means of manipulation, they passed the LIE that Abraham was born in Mesopotamia to all the generations of the world, until it became a matter of unquestionable belief.
To follow the steps of how this forgery was perpetrated, we will take the same approach that we took before, when we showed you how the Septuagint LIARS replaced the word ?Msrim? in the so-called ?Hebrew? Torah with ?Aegyptus? in their Greek translation, thus creating the illusionary association between prophets Moses and Joseph on one hand and Egypt on the other, in order for the later generations of Jews (the self-proclaimed ?descendants? of the Israelites) to lay claim to the land of the Nile, as part of their ?Promised Land? (Remember From the Euphrates to the Nile is your land, Oh Israel!).
So let us go back to the Septuagint Torah, and compare its text with the so-called ?Hebrew? version, to see what their black hands wrote to the world
The original Torah, written in Squared Aramaic, mentions a name for Abraham?s original home town which has absolutely no relation whatsoever with ?Chaldea?. Let?s see what the text says, taking Genesis 1128 as an example
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Going back the glossary of ?Hebrew? we can see that the last two words on the left are pronounced as such ?Ur ? Kasdim? (or ?Kashdim?, since the ?s? and ?sh? are interchangeable in the Hebrew alphabet, which by the way is the exact same phenomenon as in the ancient Yemeni dialects).
So how did the Septuagints translate this term in the Greek Torah, which became the new source of knowledge for the whole world at the time?
Take a look at the translation
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Again, looking up the last two words on the right, in any Greek vocal glossary, we get ?Ur ? Kaledon?.
I will leave this translation for you, dear readers, to judge its accuracy for your self.?Ur ? Kasdim? became ?Ur ? Kaledon?.
What do you think? Do you see any relation whatsoever between these two words, which are supposed to be the PROPER NOUN of a location (and hence untranslatable in the first place)? Furthermore, the word ?Kasdim? is the plural form of ?Kasd?. I showed you before how the ancient Yemeni dialects like Saba?ean and Thamudic used the suffix ?im? to denote the plural. This is the same rule in the so-called ?Hebrew? (eloh ? elohim / cherub ? cherubim / katub ? katubim / Msr ? Msrim / KASD ? KASDIM / etc?). In fact, the similarities between what they call ?Hebrew? and those ancient Yemeni dialects are so spectacular so as to be mind-boggling. This alone is worth dedicating an entire thread, just to show you these similarities. So they changed a plural noun, which indicates the name of a forgotten or unknown tribe or clan, and replaced it with the well-known and popular name of a city that was the capital of a recently toppled superpower, Chaldea.
And so it was that the news of Abraham being born in Iraq spread throughout the entire world like wildfire, carried on the wings of the Greek language, and eventually infiltrated the beliefs of the Muslims, who have been propagating this forgery and teaching it to the generations of their children for over 2000 years.
Because the claim of Abraham?s birthplace is so hard to digest, we can see its confusing effects well documented in the books of the Arab historians of old, who found themselves having to go to extreme lengths to vindicate and defend the ancient Jewish scribes against this scandalous forgery, by claiming the following ?Perhaps they meant Ur of Babylon!?. Now this of course, made sense, since the Babylonians preceded the Chaldeans by many centuries, and coincided with the time of Abraham. Instead of pointing out the forgery, the Arab historians and commentators ? except for a very small minority - sought to ?patch it up? and defend it!
In order not to prolong this thread, I will not include actual examples of what the Arab historians wrote. But if you can read Arabic, you can go and look up the following books, and see the conjectures and confusion that they were caught in concerning the birthplace of Abraham, all of which are pretty much summed up by the allegation of ?Oh, they must have meant the Ur of Babylon!?.
?Al-Muntazhim?, by Abou Faraj (volume 1, page 259)
?Al Bidaya wal Nihaya?, by Ibn Katheer (volume 1, page 140)
?Al Anas al Jaleel?, by al 3ulaymi (volume 1, page 27).What is even stranger than all this is the alleged road which Abraham and his family initially took to get to Palestine. The Torah states that they had a short ?transit? stop in the city of Haran. To get a clearer picture of the geographical implications of this trip, let?s look at the map below
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/haran_map.jpg
Map Explanation A description of Abraham?s imaginary journey from Ur-Chaledonia (which didn?t even exist in his time), to ancient Palestine, passing through Haran on the way (the red arrow). The map also shows his venture into Egypt, where they claimed he reached the city of Memphis, just south of the Nile Delta - distances that no sane mind could accept. The green arrow shows the ?extra episode? added by the Muslims exclusively, which indicates his repeated voyages deep into Arabia, to the current location of Mecca (which is further south beyond the border of the map).
The city of Ur lies at the southern end of Mesopotamia (what is today called ?Iraq?), near the north eastern border of Arabia; while Palestine, which they call ?the Land of Caanan? (and I will prove to you the fallacy of this name soon), lies to the west, with the only thing separating the two regions being the southern part of the Levant wilderness. As you can see from the map, the path from Ur to Palestine is very simple and straightforward (it?s a straight, and almost horizontal line). Whereas Haran, their alleged transit stop, lies far far to the north of this straight path, along the ancient Syrian-Armenian border. It is completely out of their way.
In fact, the presence of Haran as a stop along Abraham?s way caused a huge problem to both Biblical scholars as well as the ancient Arab commentators. Aside from the fact that the Torah seems to be confusing the city of ?Haran? in ancient Armenia with ?Haran? the brother of Abraham, there is something blatantly illogical about the geography of the entire voyage. After Tareh, the father of the family, left Ur along with his son Abraham, Sarah (Abraham?s wife), and Lot (Abraham?s nephew), they didn?t travel straight westwards toward Palestine, despite the fact that the road was clear and straightforward. No! Instead, they struck forth far to the north, until they reached the border of Armenia!
Here is what the Torah says, word for word
Now the LORD had said to Abram "Get out of your country, from your family and from your father's house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." So Abram departed as the LORD had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. Then Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother's son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people whom they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go to the land of Canaan. So they came to the land of Canaan. (Genesis 121-5)
The strange thing is that the Torah does not give any logical reason as to why Tareh would take his family on such a long trek. Some scholars, in their explanations, went as far as claiming that Haran was Tareh?s original hometown, and that he originally migrated south-east to Ur, so that his son, Abraham, could be born there, before striking out again in the opposite direction! In fact the only significant thing that happened in their transit stop at Haran was that Tareh died there (maybe he couldn?t bear the exhaustion from the trip anymore?), and Abraham then took the reins of the family, until he eventually received the ?divine promise? that his progeny would inherit the land ?from the Euphrates to the Nile?.
Is there any logical reason for inserting Haran as a stop along Abraham?s journey in the first place?
Better yet, is there even a single record, in the land of Mesopotamia, from all the thousands of the Babylonian inscriptions that have been unearthed, mentioning a man named ?Tareh?, or his son ?Abraham?, or the name ?Lot?, or anything about the escape of a small clan of goat-herders from Ur to a ?Promised Land? far to the west?
None at all.
- The Location of the ?Blessed Land? - Muslim Confusion
Let?s see what the Quran says about this issue
{They said "Did you do this to our gods O Abraham?" * He said "It was the biggest one of them here who did it, so ask them, if they do speak!" * So they turned and said to themselves "It is indeed ourselves who have been wicked!" * Then they returned to their old ideas "You know that they do not speak!" * He said "Do you serve besides Allah that which does not benefit you at all nor harm you?" * I am fed-up of you and to what you serve besides Allah! Do you not comprehend?" * They said "If you are to do anything, then burn him, and give victory to your gods." * We said "O fire, be cool and safe upon Abraham." * And they wanted to plot against him, but We made them the losers. * And We rescued him and Lot to the land which We have blessed for the worlds}?
It is clear that Abraham, after a serious of religious debates with the Imams of misguidance from among his people, was forced to migrate from there, at an old age. And the Quran tells us that Lot (a close relative of his) traveled with him initially. They left their original home and moved to a land that Allah described as ?blessed for the worlds?.
Which land was that, and how did the commentators explain it?
If you go an open the books of history and ?tafseer?, you will not believe your eyes at the heap of conjecture concerning this issue. The best summary of this can be seen in the writings of Al-Tabari, notably his famous ?Tafseer ul-Kabeer?.
Here is what he tells us (volume 17, page 47)" " . " ". " " . " ". . .
To summarize what is said by Al-Tabari in the above passage, It seems that there were two feuding opinions as to where this blessed land was. One party said it was to ?Mecca? that Abraham and Lot were rescued by Allah, while the second claimed that Abraham and Lot migrated to Al-Sham (the Levant), and that ?Mecca? was not their permanent residence, but was only a passing stop where Abraham settled his son Ismael and Ismael?s mother Hagar.
What do we conclude from the above?
1- That the ancient memory of the Arabs did in fact record that Abraham migrated to the heart of Arabia; however, this memory was contaminated with certain alien traditions that did not come from Arabia, which claimed that the Patriarch migrated from Mesopotamia to the Levant (Palestine). And that these traditions are what caused the confusion concerning this matter.
2- That Al-Tabari, who is considered to be the ?Superman of the Imams of History? could not even make up his mind, or substantiate one opinion over the other. He left the issue open to debate.
3- We read again the tyrannical expression ?There is no debate among the people of knowledge that Abraham and Lot migrated to the Levant?. This is the same poisonous expression (?There is no debate among the people of knowledge that so and so and bla..bla..bla..?), which appears hundreds of times in many of the books of tradition, claiming the so-called ?Ijma?a? (consensus) of the so-called ?people of knowledge?. And its aim is to simply shut the mouths of all those who seek to doubt, enquire and ask. It is used to denote the opinion not of those who bring the PROOFS, but of those whose opinion was supported by the tyrants of the age. As for those ?misguided ignorants? who don't agree, their opinions are usually restricted to old books that sit gathering dust on the shelves of old libraries, and very few bother to read them. And it is not until hundreds or thousands of years later, when the rampant belief is proven to be false, that these old books are brought out into the light again.
4- Personally, we are not supporting either of the two parties, because we can say, with 100% confidence and certainty, that Abraham was NOT born in Mesopotamia, and he migrated neither to Palestine nor to Mecca. We can also say that the ?Bakka? mentioned in the Quran is neither Jerusalem NOR Mecca, as we will later see. In fact, the so-called city of Mecca did not even exist at the time of Abraham. (We must be completely objective here, when searching for the truth. Just as we accept that the Chaldean state didn?t exist during Abraham?s time, neither in fact did Mecca). So in effect, they are both WRONG. However, we do respect the opinion of those ?misguided ignorants? who have defied the tyrannical ?Ijma?a? by claiming that Abraham migrated to the heart of Arabia, NOT to the Levant. In reality, they are closer to the truth than they know. The question is where exactly was Abraham in the first place, and where exactly did he migrate to? This is what we will eventually answer.
5- What is the purpose of this strange story that the Muslims believe in, which separates between Abraham and his family in this way? It's as if Islamic creed requires us to believe that Abraham placed his original wife Sarah and his son Isaac in the ?Blessed Land? of Palestine, then migrated, on foot, a distance of over 1200 KM, across scorching deserts, to place his ?concubine? Hagar and his other son Ismael in some desolate valley in the ?non-blessed? land in the south of Hijaz?
Is this another case of ?Allah Said So?? Or is it due to the ancient memory and culture of Arabia being contaminated by false Jewish beliefs that have gone unchecked for ages?
It seems that the classical commentators failed to pay attention to the very important clue given in the Torah itself, which completely denies such a separation between Abraham?s progeny, when it clearly tells us that BOTH his sons buried Abraham when he died
And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Macphelah, which before Mamre, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite (Genesis 259)
So did Ismael also travel on the back of the Pegasus (the winged horse) from ?Mecca? to Palestine, upon hearing of his father?s death?
Why all this confusion?
If you contemplate the story of Abraham?s migration from Mesopotamia to the Levant, you will find holes in it that are so large, you wonder how it even got by the classical commentators themselves. To sum up the reasons they gave as to why the Levant is ?blessed?, we can state the following example from Al-Tussi?s book entitled ?Al-Tibyan? (volume 7, page 263)
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It seems that the opinion in support for the Levant as the candidate for ?blessedness? relied on two arguments to validate itself
1- Because the Levant had an abundance of trees and resources.
2- Because it was the land where Allah had sent all the prophets to.And here I feel I must comment briefly on this conjecture
The first reason, which states that the Levant was the land of many trees and riches (resourses) was not only proven false by modern archeology (the same archeology that failed miserably to find a single trace of Solomon's temple in Palestine) but would also have us believe the ridiculous claim that Mesopotamia, which was the cradle of one of Asia?s earliest civilizations dating back 5000 years, from the Sumerians, to the Babylonians, to the Assyrians, to the Acadians, to the Chaldeans (in that exact order), and whose land rivaled the Nile Valley in terms of its fertility, suddenly had no trees, and no resources to speak of! Do you believe this crap, dear readers?
As for the second reason given, which claims that the Levant was the land of the prophets, this is nowhere mentioned in the Quran. It is mentioned only in the orientalist and colonial modern translations of the corrupted Jewish and Christian scriptures, which the Muslims have followed blindly. And by continuing to uphold this false belief, that the Levant was the Blessed Land, and the cradle of the prophets, the Muslims have been marketing this Jewish merchandise for ages, without being aware of it, and without even being aware that it constitutes a screaming contradiction to their own beliefs. How the Hell can the Levant be the land of prophets, when the Quran says half a dozen times that Muhamad (P) emerged from the Mother of Towns ( which they believe to be Mecca), and says that all the prophets sent before Muhamad lived and preached in the towns surrounding it?
There is something so WRONG in this story that it simply boggles the mind just how far the Muslims have gone astray on this issue.
Here is the resounding truth which we repeat. And this is for the MUSLIMS to hear, before anyone else
There is not one spot of land that Allah, in His Quran, described as ?blessed to the worlds?, in the ancient times, except the region of Asir in Arabia. And ALL the prophets mentioned in the Quran, from Noah (P) to Muhamad (P) lived and died in Arabia and nowhere else. PERIOD.
But the Muslims have failed to grasp this truth, as they continue their hypocritical claim that they follow the Quran, when the fact is that they read it like zombies, and are more content with ?chanting it? eloquently, while swearing an oath to the shaytan not to ever contemplate its meaning. Instead, 99% of what they believe in comes from man-made sources which blatantly contradict Allah?s Book.
As a result, they have allowed OTHERS to write their history for them, and dictate to them who they are and where they came from. And as the famous saying goes He who does not know his past has no future to speak of.
To Be Continued?
SLM,
Thank you for your "Time" & "Work",
So interesting.
You wrote many Times, "Palestine", by th? way,
What are th? years of "existante" of Palestine, and Where in th? "quran" could we read about this "land" ?
You "Right" if th? jew (not th? "Christian" had "corrupted th? "history" ... Th?n "Others" youngest coming after with ? new "religion" are in bad "posture" !
Do you think, that it could be ? bad " translation" or "code" ... !?
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
Salam,
would it be possible that Isaac and Ismail are true brothers with the mother the same?
or better, and that will be truly mind exploding, Isaac and Ismail being the same person? after all, we hear Israel and Jacob being the same person too...
and the Israelites want Isaac to have been the object of a potential sacrifice... whereas the Quran tafseer tells us it is Ismail, even though the Quran does not mention him by name...
or more mind boggling, in a deep trance, Ismail is the father of Isaac?...
again I might be hallucinating... hypno
SLM,
Th? "quran" does not "mention" isma'il !?
...
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
Salaam brother Pazuzu
Thank you for addressing our concern. There are two more issues I would like to discuss;
- 3;33 Allah did choose Adam and Noah the family of Abraham, and
the family of Imran above all people.
19;58 Those were some of the prophets on whom Allah did bestow His Grace of the posterity of Adam, and of those whom We carried (in the Ark) with Noah, and of the posterity of Abraham and Israel of those whom We guided and chose; whenever the Signs of (Allah) Most Gracious were rehearsed to them, they would fall down in prostrate adoration and in tearsThe posterity of Abraham is mentioned along with Israel, so the question is who is this person Israel; was he alive at the same time as Ibrahim(as)? And what about Lot; he migrated to another place so could Israel be from Lot's side?
However in 333 The family of Imran is mentioned, in the context of prophets, as the one chosen above all so was Israel perhaps from the family of Imran? hmm
{And his wife was standing, so she laughed when We gave her the good news of Isaac, and after Isaac, Jacob}...
- We learn from the Torah that Jacob is the son of Isaq, and was later named Israel, thus only the children of Jacob are considered 'chosen', but the Quran does not confirm that. It seems to me that the verse above could be interpreted to mean that the good news of two sons was given to Ibrahim(AS) and his wife (Sarah). In contrast to the Bible version, where Sarah is shown to be a jealous wife she could have been a kind and paticent wife who accepted Ismael, thus Allah(swt) who rewards patience may have rewarded her with two sons despite her old age.
As they were both old it seems unlikely, if this news indeed referred to a son and a grandson, that they would have lived to see the son of Isaac. Allah knows best.
Jazakallah Khair
peace
SLM,
I dont "understand" why Abraham & Ibrahim !?
Could you "help" me !! Thank you
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" - 3;33 Allah did choose Adam and Noah the family of Abraham, and
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Peace Bro IMHO
What makes things complicated is that Allah points us in the Quran to the Scholars of the Jews to clarify some points from what was revealed to them..
Another point is that there is another huge body of religious books the Jews follow and that is the Talmud, in fact the Talmud was their Hadith, plus notes and edicts "fatwas" of later scholars/rabbis, and still now it is being added to...
It is possible the Jews / Israelites in Yemen might be more reliable than the ones who migrated up north? and info from them might be useful... as if pazuzu is right, they were the ones Allah was addressing and speaking about in the Quran...
SLM,
PAZUZU, "said" that "allah", was adressing to th? "jew" !?
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
Salam IMHO, pazuzu,
Now this is getting me confused...
I thought Jacob was the son of Isaac...
It seems from 1171 that they were brothers? brickwall
Unless that means that the glad tidings are of a son and a grandson...
which could mean that Ismail might then be the father of Isaac after all? elektro
SLM,
"sounds" like, "something" is WRONG !!!
Lets Keep "studying" ...
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
- The Jealous Wife
Going back to the Quran, we find that Abraham and Lot left their original homeland and made their way towards a land that Allah described as ?blessed to the worlds?. And in that land, somewhere, was a secluded and previously UNSETTLED (uncultivated) vale where Abraham SETTLED his progeny.
{Our Rabb, I have resided part of my progeny in an uncultivated valley near your Restricted Sanctuary. My Rabb, so that they may uphold the salat. So let the hearts of the people incline towards them and give provisions to them of the fruits that they may give thanks}...
Had those who claim to be the followers of Muhamad?s message paid close attention to the word ?settled? (askantu) which appears in the above verse, they would have abandoned the Jewish myth that they have embraced for centuries, which tells them that Abraham ?expelled? his ?wench? Hagar and her infant son. The truth is that the word ?settled? used in the FM translation does not even come close to doing justice to the original Arabic word which appears in the text ?askantu? . Abraham is saying ?My Rabb, I have askantu from my progeny in an uncultivated valley?. The word is derived from the root ?sakan? which carries the meaning of peaceful habitation.
Does this sound to you like someone who leaves his infant son and his mother all alone in a desert land so they can die of thirst, on the whims of a jealous wife? Or does it sound more like he migrated and settled WITH THEM, and provided them with all the means of a peaceful habitation?
While you ponder over this issue, I will move on and tell you where the Muslims get their beliefs from
Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no And she had an Egyptian maidservant whose name was Hagar. 2 So Sarai said to Abram, "See now, the LORD has restrained me from bearing Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children by her." And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai. 3 Then Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan. 4 So he went in to Hagar, and she conceived. And when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress became despised in her eyes. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "My wrong upon you! I gave my maid into your embrace; and when she saw that she had conceived, I became despised in her eyes. The LORD judge between you and me." 6 So Abram said to Sarai, "Indeed your maid in your hand; do to her as you please." And when Sarai dealt harshly with her, she fled from her presence. 7 Now the Angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 And He said, "Hagar, Sarai's maid, where have you come from, and where are you going?" She said, "I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai." 9 The Angel of the LORD said to her, "Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hand." 10 Then the Angel of the LORD said to her, "I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude." 11 And the Angel of the LORD said to her "Behold, you with child, And you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has heard your affliction. 12 He shall be a wild man; His hand against every man, And every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." (Genesis 16 1-12)
This is how the Jews distort Abraham?s personality, by picturing him as a weak old man, who is easily swayed by his wife?s emotion, and by picturing his son Ismael as the ?savage son?, who is the descendent of ?savages? (the Arabs, sons of the ?servant wench?). And what is even stranger is the translation of ?Msri? to ?Egyptian?, concerning Hagar?s nationality. So the Arabs, technically, are a bastard hybrid race of half Mesopotamian half Egyptian....
Let?s read on a bit more to see what other half-truths we find in the Torah
She also said, "Who would have said to Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? For I have borne a son in his old age." 8 So the child grew and was weaned. And Abraham made a great feast on the same day that Isaac was weaned. 9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, scoffing. 10 Therefore she said to Abraham, "Cast out this bondwoman and her son; for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, with Isaac." 11 And the matter was very displeasing in Abraham's sight because of his son. 12 But God said to Abraham, "Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. 13 "Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he your seed." 14 So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water; and putting on her shoulder, he gave and the boy to Hagar, and sent her away. Then she departed and wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba. 15 And the water in the skin was used up, and she placed the boy under one of the shrubs. 16 Then she went and sat down across from at a distance of about a bowshot; for she said to herself, "Let me not see the death of the boy." So she sat opposite and lifted her voice and wept. 17 And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, "What ails you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he 18 "Arise, lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I will make him a great nation." 19 Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. And she went and filled the skin with water, and gave the lad a drink. (Genesis 21 7-19)
And so here we see the source of this delusion the Muslims believe in, which claims that Abraham ?kicked out? his ?Egyptian servant wench? Hagar, and left her to become lost in the wilderness with her infant son. Of course, the Quran does not mention Sarah, nor Hagar, nor a ?miraculous spring? by the name of Zamzam. Although we concur that is IS possible Abraham had two wives (the Quranic verses are not clear on this issue) ? to say that the second was a ?servant wench? is marketing of racist Jewish allegations, which insists on attributing ?purity? to the Israelites, while picturing the Arabs as bastard half-breeds, descendants of a savage race. And the Muslims are not even aware where their beliefs have come from (they insist that their creed has not been contaminated by Jewish corruption?Oh No! Allah forbid it! They are above such allegations!).
The Quran says that Abraham migrated WITH his wife, to the blessed land. His first child was born in that land. He did not make the initial trip with them. Abraham provided his family with the means of peaceful habitation. He did NOT expulse anyone. There is a HUGE difference between the words ?askan? and ?tarada? . But because of their blindness, they cannot see it.
The Torah also tells us that he left Hagar and her infant son to wander alone in the wilderness of a place called "Beersheba", which they believe is in Palestine. And this of course is the natural result of hijacking the geography of the prophets of Allah, and projecting it onto the Levant. And soon, I will show you where this Beersheba was.
Of course, the Muslims decided to change the details of the story a little bit, to make it fit more with their culture. They claimed that it was ALLAH who commanded Abraham to travel 1200 kilometers from the Levant, drop his ?wench? and infant son in a deserted valley in the middle of the Hijaz region, and travel back to the Jerusalem (al-Quds) which didn?t even exist (Applause and drums, please!)
Do you believe this story ladies and gentlemen? Would Allah command such a thing? Of course, they must have found a problem with the Jewish version of the story, which speaks of Sarah?s jealousy. They must have said to themselves ?Well if he wanted to keep Hagar away from Sarah, he could have moved her to some other place in the Levant, not far from his home. So why go all the way to the heart of Arabia, over 1200 kilometers away ? a trip that would take several weeks? It must be because ALLAH SAID SO!!?.
This is the tyrannical expression that shackles the intellectual mind, and prevents anyone from questioning the story.
And I?m telling you now with 100% confidence Abraham was NOT in the Levant, and he did not send his second wife ? assuming he had 2 wives in the first place - and infant child far, and no spring was ?miraculously? dug by the wings of angels (as the Muslims claim); but in all probability it was Abraham HIMSELF who dug it (I will soon show you how the Torah contradicts itself in this matter). Furthermore, Abraham travelled with them and STAYED with them, providing them with the means of a peaceful habitation ? hence the meaning of ?askantu? - in their new land of migration, as will soon be made clear. And the location of the valley (the Bayt) was not far at all from his tents.
Now, going back to the previous passage in (Genesis 21), we recall the following
So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water; and putting on her shoulder, he gave and the boy to Hagar, and sent her away. Then she departed and wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba. 15 And the water in the skin was used up, and she placed the boy under one of the shrubs.
Of course the Muslims, again, changed the details a bit, and replaced the ?loaf of bread and water skin? with ?knapsack of dates and water skin?, to make the story fit better with their culture (Apparently, they believe dates are "Holy". But what about the glaring geographical absurdness itself? How did they go about solving that?
Let?s contemplate the story a little bit
It has become a part of the Muslim creed that Abraham expulsed Hagar and her son from the Levant to the heart of Arabia. And what did Abraham equip Hagar with for her trip, which was 1200 kilometers long? A single water skin and a knapsack of dates.... And so Hagar became lost in the wilderness, the distance required to consume a single water skin, and lo and behold! She found herself in one of Tahama?s valleys, in the south of Hijaz!!
And now I ask you this Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Hagar made the trip all by herself; how far can a woman travel, while carrying her infant son in her arms, and equipped with a single water skin? I will say anywhere between 5 and 20 kilometers. So how far was the distance between Abraham?s tents and the valley (location of the Bayt)?
Is it 5-20 kilometers as logic dictates, or 1200 kilometers as the diseased traditions of the Muslims tell us?
In fact, this very question was asked by the ancient Muslim historians, who found themselves giving various outrageous explanations for it. Some claimed that Abraham travelled with Hagar from the Levant, left her near "Mecca" with the waterskin and dates, then went back to the Levant. Or, if you want something even better, listen to what Al-Suhaily says in his book ?Al-Rawd al Anf? (page 55)
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Here is the exposition of Al-Suhaily is saying (with our comments in brackets)
And the reason for transporting Hagar and her son Ismael from the Levant and dropping them of in Mecca (as if ?Mecca? even existed back then), was that a heated argument had taken place between Sarah, Abraham?s cousin (they made him marry his cousin in order to maintain Israelite ?purity? without being aware of it) and Hagar, and so Abraham was ordered (note how he leaves the source of this order unknown) to carry her on the back of the Pegasus (al-Buraq) to the location of the Bayt, then return from whence he came (i.e. to Palestine).
These people are completely insane. There is no other explanation how a story with that many holes in it can be adopted as the truth.
What we will say here is this
This Pegasus (the winged horse), which pops up every now and then in the Islamic books of tradition, is NOT a means of transportation, but a means of FORGERY and an insult to the intelligence of the average mind; and its goal is to patch up a glaring geographical puzzle, to seperate between Abraham and his family, and to cover up a scandalous traditional belief that no sane mind can accept.
But under the cloak of ?Allah Said So?, anything is possible.
The sane and logical conclusion tells us the following Abraham left his original homeland, the land of his fathers which was somewhere in Arabia (and I will show you exactly where before this thread ends), with his wife and nephew, and migrated to the ?blessed land? of Asir, where he was bestowed, by Allah, two sons at an advanced age Ismael and Isaac. He set up his tents no more than 20 kilometers from the Bayt. He was accompanied by Lot at first, but then they parted ways shortly after they reached their new home. It is possible that Abraham had two wives. But the second was also HIS WIFE, not his servant wench. And she was NOT Egyptian, as we will soon see.
Open your eyes please, and read, from the Quran, the truth that kills their belief. Ismael and Isaac were in the SAME LOCATION
{And Abraham said "My Rabb, make this a peaceful land, and keep me and my sons away from serving idols * "My Rabb, they have misguided many from among the people. So, whoever follows me, then he is of me, and whoever disobeys me, then You are Forgiving, Merciful." * Our Rabb, I have resided part of my progeny in an uncultivated valley near your Restricted Sanctuary. My Rabb, so that they may uphold the salat. So let the hearts of the people incline towards them and give provisions to them of the fruits that they may give thanks * "Our Rabb, you know what we hide and what we declare. And nothing at all is hidden from Allah on the Earth or in the heavens * Praise be to Allah who has granted me at my old age Ishmael and Isaac; my Rabb is Hearer of the prayer}...
The criminal LIARS wanted to seperate Isaac the Pure (in Palestine), from Ismael the Bastard (in Arabia). And the misguided Muslims, who have made the Quran of no account, have been applauding and playing the drums for this forgery for centuries untold. All they know how to do is vehemently retaliate, like barbarians, when some Christian priest in the West threatens to burn a copy of the Quran. The truth is they are more proptective of the paper the Quran is printed on, than what it actually says.
They expect Muhamad's intercession on Judgement Day.. But the truth is Muhamad will do no such thing. On Judgement Day, he will complain to Allah and say {My Rabb, my people have deserted this Qur'an}
And he will disown them all.
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The Pegasus solves the geographical discrepency.
And since the Quran tells us clearly that Allah rescued both Abraham AND Lot to this blessed land, we should take this opportunity to remind you all, briefly for now ? but in more detail later on, when we study the volcanoes of Arabia ? of a glaring truth concerning the location of Lot?s town. The Quranic verses make it very clear that this town was not far at all from the location where Muhamad preached the Quran
{And Lot was one of the messengers * When We saved him and all his family * Except an old woman who remained * Then, We destroyed the rest * And you pass by their ruins in the morning * And in the night. Do you not comprehend?}...
This means that Muhamad and his people passed by it day and night as they went about their business. This means it could not have been more than a 24 hour trip from the Mother of Towns. And the last phrase in the above verses says {Do you not comprehend?} which shows that they were to reflect on what happened to its inhabitants.
Not only this, but Allah tells us that He left its ruins as a CLEAR SIGN for those who would reflect
{And when Our messengers came to Lot, they were mistreated, and he was embarrassed towards them. And they said "Do not fear, and do not be saddened. We will save you and your family, except for your wife; she is of those doomed * "We will send down upon the people of this town an affliction from the heaven for what wickedness they were in." * And We left remains of it as a clear sign for a people who comprehend}...Furthermore, the ruins of the town are located on an often-travelled trade route which Muhamad and his people knew very well
{And it is on an established path * In that is a sign for the faithful}...
And the reason they have not found Lot?s town until now is because of a rampant Jewish and Orientalist culture which has projected the events of the Old Testament from its original theater in Arabia, onto the Levant. And this is what we read in the Islamic books of ?tafseer?, where the commentators are nearly unanimous that the location of this town is near the Dead Sea. And when archeologists combed every inch of that area and didn?t find it, they said ?Oh it must be buried UNDER the sea bed?.
And it never occurred to the Muslims to ask how it can be buried under the sea bed, when their Quran says the town was left as a CLEAR SIGN?
- Geographic Projections and ?Coincidences?.
Coinsidence #1 Beersheba
Let?s now go back to this controversial name ?Beersheba?. In the Orientalist Arabic translations of the Torah, the name is rendered as ?Bi?ir Sab3? which can literally mean either ?Well of the Wild Beast?, or ?Well of the Seven?. As a result of the diabolical geographic projections, this area is believed to be in Palestine. The problem, however, which has left the archeologists of the East and West dumbfounded, is the total absence of a well or underground water source there, or any evidence that a man named ?Abraham? ever settled in the area. The name ?Beersheba? is mentioned over 30 times in the Torah, the first of which is encountered in Genesis 21, which we have previously seen. Here's a reminder
So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water; and putting on her shoulder, he gave and the boy to Hagar, and sent her away. Then she departed and wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba.
As for the second instance this name appears in, it tells us the story of a dispute that took place over a water source (a spring) which was discovered by a strange, alien family, composed of an old man, his wife, and his infant son, who had just settled as migrants in the heart of some valley somewhere. The Torah relates to us what happened in a logical and acceptable account, through a conversation which took place between Abraham, and an Arab man by the name of ?Abimelech? (Abi Malek), right after the spring was discovered. Here is what it says, word for word
22 And it came to pass at that time that Abimelech and Phichol, the commander of his army, spoke to Abraham, saying, "God with you in all that you do. 23 "Now therefore, swear to me by God that you will not deal falsely with me, with my offspring, or with my posterity; but that according to the kindness that I have done to you, you will do to me and to the land in which you have dwelt." 24 And Abraham said, "I will swear." 25 Then Abraham rebuked Abimelech because of a well of water which Abimelech's servants had seized. 26 And Abimelech said, "I do not know who has done this thing; you did not tell me, nor had I heard until today." 27 So Abraham took sheep and oxen and gave them to Abimelech, and the two of them made a covenant. 28 And Abraham set seven ewe lambs of the flock by themselves. 29 Then Abimelech asked Abraham, "What these seven ewe lambs which you have set by themselves?" 30 And he said, "You will take seven ewe lambs from my hand, that they may be my witness that I have dug this well." 31 Therefore he called that place Beersheba, because the two of them swore an oath there. (Genesis 21 22-31)
Regardless of the reason given for the naming of the well, it is clear that Abraham had discovered the spring himself. This supports the Quran, which says that he ?provided habitation for his family?, not that he "expulsed" them, and that he migrated to the new land WITH THEM. The contradiction in the Torah becomes evident at this point (have you realized it by now?)
More importantly, is this 'Beersheba" really in Palestine, as they say?
First of all, we need to be aware that the modern Arab linguists and commentators who have studied the Aramaic language, have pointed out that the Arabic translation of the word, which renders it as ?Bi?r al- Saba?a? (literally Well of THE Seven) is not accurate, and this for two reasons
1- because in the original and silent Aramaic text, the letter which appears in the word is ?sh?, not ?s?.
2- That the pronoun "al" (meaning "the" is NOT found in the original so-called "Hebrew" text. The Torah calls the place Bir Sheb3 (it's actually TWO seperate words), not Bir - ha - Sheb3 (the Hebrew pronoun article "ha" is equivalent to "al" in Arabic).
This has been made evident by academic linguists of the caliber of Ziad Minah, Kamal Salibi, Fadhel al- Rubay'i, and others. They have pointed out that the more logical explanation is that the name "Beer Sheb3a" (obviosly a feminine name) actually means "Well of Fullness" not "Well of the Seven" (This explains the absence of the pronoun article "the" in the word). Moreover, the lack of any archeological evidence of a well or spring in the Palestinian location, shows that the "Beersheba" of the Torah was never there.
The "Hebrew" name is a mistranslation of the Arabic name "Bi'r Shab3a", and the further incorrect Orientalist translation into Arabic may in fact have been influenced by an ancient Greek rendering of the word. In his book ?The Torah Came from Arabia? , Kamal Salibi brings to our attention the following facts
Take a look at the map below
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A map showing the actual path taken by the Roman army, from Najran (in the orange circle) to al-Nujayra (in the blue circle). The green circle shows the geographical location of "Bi'r Sheb3a".
So I ask you now Is the existence of a location called ?Well of Seven? (as Strabo ? who tried to translate the word under the limitations of the Greek language, and its different vocal structure from Aramaic) in the far south of Saudi Arabia, a coincidence?
What if I told you now that Al-Hamadani (the great Arab geographer who was a native of the Hamadan region of northern Yemen) happens to mention the same area in his book ?Description of Arabia? ?
Take a look at the following (DoA, page 14
. (...) (...) .
Exposition Here, Al-Hamadani mentions two areas. The first is called ?Masna3a? (the name indicates water canals), and the second is ?Shab3a?. He also describes the entire surrounding region as located among ruins of ancient fortifications, and water wells. He also describes a stairway, carved from the natural rock, which comes down from one ancient military keep, to the Masna3a ? Shab3a wells, where one could have easy access to the water.
So what we have now is the following A description of an area called ?Well of Seven (Saba3)?, by an ancient Greek geographer, which ?happens? to coincide with a mesmerizing description by AL-Hamadani, over 1,000 years later, who called it ?Shab3a? (the correct pronunciation), and finally verified by an Arab historian who visited the place PERSONALLY in 1983 (Kamal Salibi), and verified its existence on the outskirts of the Suadi city of "Khamees Msheit" (which is shown on the map) as well as the existence of Himyaritic fortifications and the river canyon that the Roman general Gallus had crossed in the year 24 B.C, the several water springs there, and the fortified towns near it, exactly as the Greek geographer Strabo described them.
There, ladies and gentlemen is the "Bi'r Shab3a" (Beersheba) of the Torah.
And you can dismiss it as a coincidence if you like.
- Coincidence #2 Kinanah
It is hardly possible to read any passage about Abraham in the OT, without at least some passing mention of a people known as the "Canaanites". Ever since we embarked on our journey to search for the true location of Muhamad (P), we have been seeing proof after proof that the prophets mentioned in the Quran were all based in the south west of Arabia. So this means that the Canaanites must have been there as well, since we are stipulating that Abraham migrated to their land.
Then Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother's son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people whom they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go to the land of Canaan. So they came to the land of Canaan. (Genesis 12 5,6]
So who are these people? And what role did they play in the life and times of Abraham?
The origin of the word "Canaan" can be found in the silent, three-letter Aramaic word ?knn?. This is how the word was spelled in the original, vowel-less text, before the Masorite Priests of Turkey decided to accentuate the Aramaic letters, starting from the 6th Century A.D. In his book entitltled ?The Search for Jesus? (page 132), Kamal Salibi verifies this by saying
The rampant geography of the Torah has made people believe that there was once an ancient land in the Levant area called ?Canaan?. The shattering conclusion that the historians and archeologists have reached is that there is not ONE trace of such a name in the Levant itself!
Prepare yourselves for a big shock.
Arab historian and religious researcher Ahmad Dawood, in his famous book entitled ?Arabs, Semitics, Hebrews, Bani Israel, and the Jews?, throws some light on this centuries-old puzzle. Listen to what he says
Another researcher, Dr. Ali Abou Assaf (who is Syrian, by the way), verifies Dawood?s claims in his book ?Ruins of the Ancient Kingdoms of Syria?, where he says
This is of course the same Herodotus who verified that the Phoenicians originally came from along the Red Sea coast of Arabia. Here is a quote from Herodotus
Not once did Herodotus label the region as "Canaan".
Likewise, Greek geographer, historian, and philosopher Strabo mentioned that the Phoenicians originally came from the Arabian peninsula, where they had similar gods, cemeteries and temples as they have in Palestine.
Not once does Strabo label them ?Canaanites?.
These scholars (Dawwod and Abou Assaf) are actually onto something. But there is one small issue which I feel must be clarified Dawood calims that besides the Torah, there is not a single historic document in the Levant that mentions ?Canaanites?. The fact is, there are some documents, but NOT originally from the Levant region. Some very old Mesopotamian inscriptions (from as early as 1800 BC) mention a people by the name ?Kinanhu? (this is EXACTLY how it is pronounced according to the vocal glossary of the Babylonian cuneiform), who were causing trouble by infiltrating into the regions of the Levant (they were described as bandits and thieves). Also, the name appears as ?ki-na-ah-na? in the Amarna tablets (14th Century B.C), which were written in Acadian cuneiform.
Please pay attention the Semitic name is KINANAH, not "Canaan".
And these people were NOT orginally from the Levant. So where the Hell did they come from?
Consider this
1- There is is absolutely ZERO archeological evidence that the peoples mentioned in the Amarna and Mesopotamian tablets were in Palestine.
2- There is ZERO physical evidence that the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians ever vied for control of Palestine, which every evidence has shown was a periferal land of very few resources, and very little strategic importance.
On the contrary, ALL the evidence indicates that they vied for the Red Sea coast of Arabia, and control of the trade routes. ANd I will soon show you the presence of ancient Egyotian ruins and fortifications deep inside Arabia (I will post a link to a video).
So we can say that the claims of Dawood and Abou Assaf are, in a sense, correct. And the Mesopotamian tablets indicate that the Ki-na-nah were NOT originally from the region, but were causing trouble by infiltrating it gradually, and pepetrating lots of looting in the process.
Kinanah?The name rings one very big bell?
Have you ever heard of Bani Kinanah? In case you haven?t, let me tell you who, and more importantly WHERE they were
The name Bani Kinanah pertains to a south Arabian mega-tribe whose domain was vast regions of the Tahama and mountainous regions of Asir and Yemen. These are the SAME "Cannanites" that are mentioned in the Torah, always with curses and damnations, because they had vast control of the coastal areas and trade routes, and, during the time of King David, their pagan clans (among them the ?Filist?) fought many bloody wars with the monotheistic Israelites. These are the SAME Kananites, the legendary Arabian tribe, to whose land Abraham had migrated, some 800 years before the time of David.
What do you think of that?
Below is an old map taken from a Saudi gazeteer, showing exactly where the coast of Kinanah was, and where this legendary mega-tribe lived. If you can read Arabic, try googling or , and see for yourselves.
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The original land of "Canaan"
Al-Hamadani, who is a native of Northern Yemen, is no doubt very qualified to tell us where they lived. Here is what he says in DoA (page 231)
(...) (...) (...) (...) .
Exposition He is mentioning various areas along the coast of south-west Arabia, stretching from Jasan (Jazan) in the north (in Asir), all the way down and past the ?elbow? of Arabia, near the city of Aden, in Yemen?These places were the domains of several tribes, most prominent of which were Bani Majeed (the "Meggido" of the Torah), the Tribe of Haram, and the volcanic plains and slopes of BANI KINANAH.
Another passage from DoA (page 85) mentioning Kinanah
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Exposition Here, Al-Hamadani is talking about the Surat of Yemen, The greatest and most renowned mountains in all of Arabia, and their expanse which reaches the red sea, and the domain of the tribes of Ash3ar, Akk, Hakam, and KINANAH.
These were tribes - among many - who at first began infiltrating north towards the Levant, causing a headache to the Mesopotamian colonies in Syria (NOT PALESTINE), then started to migrate in huge numbers after the Assyrian and Babylonian campaigns laid waste to their lands in Asir and Yemen, starting from 700 BC.
Finally, one last word must be said about Bani Kinanah, before we move on to the next ?coincidence?.
The orientalists, in their commentaries, are always quick to mention that the so-called ?Canaanites?, the masters of the Palestinian coast of the Mediterranean, were famous for their dark reddish purple garments. What very few people are aware of is that in the forgotten books of the Arab historians, most notably ?Al-Mas3oudi? and ?Yaqoot al-Hamwi?, there is mention of Bani Kinanah, the ancient Arabian tribe ? composed of several clans - who were masters of the Red Sea coast, and were famous for building red domes. In fact, there are many Arabian legends that have recorded these structures in Yemen, and Asir, and very few such structures remain after the "science-loving" Saudis bulldozed the entire region in the 1980?s.
So we have Canaanites of Palestine, masters of the Mediterranean coast, and makers of reddish-purple garments.
And we have Bani Kinanah, located on the Asir and Yemen coast, and builders of red domes.Is this a coincidence too? Or did someone hijack the entire history and geography of south Arabia, and project it onto the Levant?
To Be Continued
SLM,
"FANTASTIK".
Thank you for your "Time" & "Work", so interesting.
But do you mean, that, what is on th? book of jew is "most l'y" true !?
Not about th? east-west, north-south .. "Locations" .. Like an "History" book ??
Maybe, i missed your "point", cause its ? big one to read & compr?hend !!!
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
Important Update
I will complete this thread sometime in the coming week.
But before I continue, please read the following links about ancient mummies discovered in Yemen
http//www.archaeologydaily.com/news/20090228663/New-Yemeni-prehistoric-archeological-discoveries.-Primitive-settlements-mummies-and-65-rocky-tombs.html
This next one gives an even bigger picture of the importance of the find
http//www.yemeneconomist.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8842009-04-28-15-26-27&catid=26reportages&Itemid=3
Finally, an eye-catching link from the Yemen Times Newspaper, mentioning the mummified body of an Abyssinian soldier from the 6th Century B.C
http//www.taph.com/customs/unlocking-the-secrets-of-history.html
Here is a quoted passage worth paying close attention to
?However, not all mummies that were found belong to Yemenis, ?A Mummy has been found which belonged to the 6 century, however the body wasn?t preserved by humans, but by natural forces. We prsume this mummy belonged to one of the Ethiopian soliders who served in the Army of (Abraha) when they invaded Yemen. There are two theories about the solider?s death the first theory was that he was killed in battle, the second theory was that he died because of suffocation by volcanic smoke,? said Dr, Abdul Hakim, who is a tutor at Sana?a University in the Archeology Department and also the storekeeper at the museum?
?A soldier of Abraha?s army died of suffocation by volcanic smoke?.Does this ring a bell?
P.S To the moderators please be firm about members spamming the thread by quoting entire posts (with photos) before making a comment..
Thank you.
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The People of Aad
Our final stop in this tour of the ancient nations concerns Aad, a people whom the Quran tells us were given high status by Allah, but they eventually chose the path of transgression rather than righteousness. To these people, Allah sent His messenger, Hud (P) as a warner. Our main aim here is not to discuss who these people were, but rather what happened to them. This subject is directly related to the geography of the region, and of paramount importance in determining the location where Muhammad (P) began preaching the Quran (Was it in the north, or the south of Arabia?).
Still, it wouldn't hurt to take a brief glimpse about Aad?s history
{And to Aad We sent their brother Hud, he said "My people, serve Allah, you have no god besides Him. Will you not be righteous?" * The elite who rejected from among his people said "We see you as a fool, and we think you are one of the liars" * He said "My people, there is no foolishness in me, but I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds." * "To deliver to you the messages of my Rabb, and to you I am a trustworthy advisor." * "Are you surprised that a reminder has come to you from your Rabb through a man from among you to warn you? And remember that He made you successors after the people of Noah, and He increased you in status. So remember the grace of Allah, that you may succeed."}?
The first point of interest here is the fact that Aad were successors to the people of Noah, as is clearly evident from the verse. (Also, if you look at the verses immediately before 765, you will see they are talking about Noah and his people). This means that the people of Noah and the people of Aad lived in the same geographic region. This is the first proof we have that the great flood did not take place in Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), as is commonly believed. (The story of Noah made it clear to us that it took place in a volcanic region that relied on rain for its agriculture. This does not fit with the geography of Iraq).
The second mention of Aad comes in the following verses
{And to 'Aad was sent their brother Hud. He said "My people, serve Allah, you have no god besides Him; you are simply conjecturing." * "My people, I do not ask you for any wage, my wage is from the One who has initiated me. Will you not comprehend?" * "And my people, seek forgiveness from your Lord, then repent to Him; He will send (from) the sky to you in abundance, and He will add might to your might. So do not turn away as criminals." * They said "O Hud, you have not come to us with any proof, nor will we leave our gods based on what you say. We will not believe in you." * "All we can say is that perhaps some of our gods have brought an affliction upon you." He said "I make Allah my witness, and all of you witness, that I am innocent of what you have set up."}...
Again we see repeated mention of Hud?s people stubbornly ignoring their messenger?s warnings. Of specific interest to us is the underlined verse, which again shows dependence on rain for agriculture. By contrast, the agriculture of Iraq, for thousands or years, has depended on the continuous flow of the Tigris and Euphrates (irrigation), and is a land that, like the Nile Valley, receives very little rain ? if any ? throughout the year.
The Muslims fail to notice these small, subtle, yet very important clues as to where the events of these ancient nations took place, because they have pre-conceived notions in their heads which cloud their thinking.
Another mention of Aad can be seen in the following verse, which gives us a further clue as to their location
{'Aad denied the messengers * For their brother Hud said to them "Will you not be righteous?" * "I am to you a clear messenger." * "So be aware of Allah and obey me." * "And I do not ask you for any wage, for my reward is upon the Lord of the worlds." * "Do you build in every high place a symbol, for the sake of vanity?! * "And you take for yourselves strongholds, perhaps you will live forever?" * "And when you strike, you strike ruthlessly?" * "So be aware of Allah and obey me." * And be aware of the One who provided you with what you know." * He provided you with livestock and sons * And gardens and springs." * I fear for you the retribution of a great day * They said "It is the same whether you preach or do not preach." * "This is nothing except an invention by the people of old." * And we are not going to be punished." * So they denied him, and We destroyed them. In that is a sign, but most are not believers.}?
These people built some of their homes in high and lofty mountainous places. Why is that? Some commentators of the Quran claimed it was so they would avoid the same fate as Noah?s people (thinking that they would be safe from floods in high places). However, the verse does not imply this for certain. It simply says they built these high places out of vanity (as a show of their power). And they thought their fortresses would make them live forever in safety. But in the end, after repeatedly ignoring Hud?s warnings, they were destroyed.
The verses also tell us that they enjoyed gardens and springs. This point is very important and we will get back to it later on. So please keep it in mind.
In the end, Allah destroyed Aad in a way that was fitting of how they built their homes. Not with a flood, but with something else?something that their high and lofty homes and fortresses could not save them from.
So how were they destroyed?
{But if they turn away, then say (O, Muhammad) ?I have warned you of a destruction like the destruction of Aad and Thamud.? * When the messengers came to them, publicly and privately (and they were told) ?You shall not serve except Allah?, They said ?Had our Rabb willed, He would have sent mala?ika. We are rejecting what you have been sent with? * As for Aad, they turned arrogant in the land, without any right, and they said ?Who is mightier than us in strength??. Did they not see that Allah, who has created them, is mightier than they in strength? And they were denying Our revelations * Consequently, We sent upon them a violent wind, for (a period) of some miserable days, that We may let them taste the humiliating retribution in this worldly life, and the retribution of the Hereafter is more humiliating; they can never win}?.
So their might and their arrogance could not save them from that violent wind. This same wind is mentioned again in chapter 54
{We sent upon them a violent wind, on a day (period) of continuous misery * It uprooted the people as if they were decayed palm tree trunks}?
So what is the story of this wind then?
Each instance mentioning Aad in the Quran adds another dimension to the story, and provides more detail. This is how the Quran explains itself. In Chapter 51, we read the following
{And also Aad, for We sent upon them the barren wind * Anything that it came upon was utterly destroyed}?
It was a wind described as barren and sterile. A wind that did not bring any blessing, cooling, nor contribute to the pollination of plants; nor did it push rain clouds over their gardens. It brought only destruction.
{Thamud and Aad disbelieved in the Shocker * As for Thamud, they were annihilated by the devastation * And as for Aad, they were annihilated by a furious violent wind * He unleashed it upon them for seven nights and eight days, in succession. You (O Muhammad) could have seen the people destroyed in it, as if they are decayed palm trunks * Do you see anything remaining of them?}?
The verses above are addressing Muhammad (P) and asking him a question about one of the nations who came before him, and who were destroyed by the violent, barren wind ?Do you, Oh Muhammad, see anything remaining of them??
This means that the empty, desolated homes of Aad were relatively near the place where Muhammad was preaching the Quran. If they were not so, then the above question would not make any sense whatsoever.
Finally, we reach a critical verse which reveals to us exactly what kind of wind it was that destroyed these people, and where they were located
{And recall that the brethren of Aad when he warned his people of the ahqaf, while numerous warnings were also delivered before him and with him ?You shall not serve except Allah. For I fear for you the retribution of a great day.? * They said ?Have you come to us to divert us away from our gods? Then bring us what you are promising us, if you are truthful!?? * He said ?The knowledge is only with Allah; and I but convey to you what I was sent with. However, I see that you are a people who are ignorant? * Then when they saw it (the retribution) heading towards their valleys, they said ?This is but a passing cloud that will bring to us heavy rain!?. ?No, this is what you had asked to be hastened; a violent wind wherein there is a painful retribution? * It destroys everything by the command of its Lord. Thus they became such that nothing could be seen except their dwellings. We thus requite the criminal people. * And We had established them in the same way as We established you (O people of Muhammad), and provided them with hearing, and eyesight, and hearts. But their hearing, eyesight, and hearts did not help them at all. This is because they used to disregard the revelations of Allah, and they will be surrounded by that which they used to mock * And We destroyed the towns around you (O people of Muhammad), and We had dispatched the signs, perhaps they would repent.}?.
The first major clue given here is the word ?ahqaf? which appears at the beginning of the verses. This Arabic word is derived from the root h-q-f , which means to gather together / shovel (as in quantities dirt, or sand) / stacked on top of each other. The word is used in the colloquial dialects of south Arabia, as meaning giant sand dunes. The FM rendering of the phrase is as follows "Aad warned his people at the dunes" . This is a very grave error, because it conveys the meaning that the people of Aad were initially living WITHIN the area of the sand dunes itself. This is completely false, and contradicts all the previous verses we have seen concerning Aad. How can they be living IN the region of the sand dunes when the Quran clearly states that they built fortresses and lofty mountain homes overlooking valleys full of springs and gardens?
The correct rendering would have to be that Hud warned his people OF the sand dunes, not AT the sand dunes.
Now the question is Where are these giant sand dunes located?
If we look at a map of Arabia, and contemplate the Rub? al-Khali Desert (the Empty Quarter), which happens to be the largest sand desert on the planet, we will note that the more we move southward, the less rocky the desert becomes and the more sand is accumulated, until we reach the northern border of Yemen and Oman, where these sand dunes become monstrous in size, and are legendary for emitting strange sounds (there is a documentary on National Geographic about the sound made by the Ahqaf and I will try to find a link to it).
On the other hand, the more northward we move (towards Saudi Arabia), the less sandy the desert becomes, and the more we see rocks. This is why the ancient Romans called the north of Arabia as ?Arabia Petraeus? (meaning Rocky Arabia).
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Map of the Rub-al-Khali Desert. Notice the dark brown area in the southern part? That's the area known as "Al-Ahqaf"
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The Ahqaf (sand dunes) of the Rub-Al-Khali
This means that the remains of Ad?s people (their homes and fortresses) are buried somewhere on the southern edge of this great desert, near the Saudi-Yemeni border, in the northern reaches of the Hadhramaut valley, and not far from the Sarat mountains. Also, they could not have been very far from the ruins of Thamud, who were descendants of Aad, as the Quran clearly tells us. (Hence we have Noah - Aad - Thamud - Abraham / Lot - Midian. Those were the ancient nations, descendants of each other, and all lived in the same geographical region).
What happened was the following Hud warned his people that a giant SANDSTORM would come their way. (Meaning he warned them of the danger of the Ahqaf dunes coming their way!).
See http//corpus.quran.com/concept.jsp?id=al-ahqaf
Also, there was a famous Yemeni tribe, one of the extinct tribes of Arabia?s distant bygone days, called "Bani Haqoofa" (sometimes rendered in the singular as "Bani Haqaf". The name of this tribe also coincidentally appears in the Old Testament (alongside such names as Shibam, Hazaramaveth, Uzal, and Aden) as one of those tribes who were taken captive by the Assyrians, during their campaign to discipline the rebelious tribes controling the trade routes of Yemen and Asir (a campaign whom the forgers of history claim took place in Palestine). The name is rendered as ?Hakufa? as it is spelled in modern so-called ?Hebrew?, and transliterated into English (because they are incapable of pronouncing the ?qaf? sound)
?.the sons of Bakbuk, the sons of Hakupha, the sons of Harhur. (Nehemiah 753)
These are names that have zero association with ancient Palestine's history.
This word, ?Hakufa? (Haqoofa) (which comes from "hqf" ف was the proper name of a tribe that resided in what is today known as Wadi al-Ahqaf (meaning Valley of the Sand Dunes), which is geographically a part of the Hadhramaut region. The ancient and deep-rooted traditions of Yemen stipulate that Hud (P) was buried somewhere in that valley.
Prominent Yemeni geographer, Al-Hamadani (page 169,170 in his Description of Arabia) says the following about the place
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What Al-Hamadani is telling us is basically this A region of the Hadhramaut valley, not far from Shibam, is called ?Mahra?. And in the red-rock cliffs overlooking the sand dunes of the Ahqaf Valley is a cave containing the tomb of Hud. And the people of Mahra visit it regularly. (Note this was back in the days of Al-Hamadi, who lived around 930 A.D).
If I had more time on my hands, I would put up a list of no less than 25 names of tribes appearing in Nehemia?s Roster in the Old Testament (the tribes whom King Cyrus freed from bondage when he sacked Babylon in 539 B.C), analyze them name by name, and show you that they were all residing in ancient Yemen, the true theater of the OT events.
Going back to the subject of the barren wind, what happened was the following Hud warned the people of Aad that the giant sand dunes of the Al-Ahqaf area would be coming their way. They failed to heed his repeated warnings. The consequence They were destroyed by a catastrophic sandstorm that blew over their valleys continuously for a week, and all their lofty dwellings and fortresses could not help them. (They saw the giant sandstorm approaching their green valleys from far, pusehd along by a wind from the north, and thought that it was only a passing cloud).
Based on all we have seen, we can approximate the region where Aad lived, while keeping in mind that the people of Thamud, who came later, where descendants of Aad, who in turn, where descendants of Noah?s people. These where the Ancient Nations, whom the Quran refers to as ?Al-Quroon al-Oula? ( the pre-Israelite age). And these nations lived in the same geographical region South Arabia.
{We had given Moses the Scripture after We had destroyed the ancient nations; as an example for the people and a guidance and a mercy, perhaps they will take heed}?
{He (Far3oun) said "What then has happened to the ancient nations?" * He (Moses) said "The knowledge of it is with my Rabb, in a record. My Rabb does not err or forget."}?
This means that Far3oun ?s domain also could not have been very far from Aad and Thamud. (Remember the verse where the believing man from Far3oun?s people warned them of a fate like that of Noah, Aad and Thamud).
Also, Muhammad?s people were not far from those places either, as we have already seen, and as is shown by
{And Aad and Thamud. Much was made apparent to you (Muhammad) from their dwellings. The shaytan had adorned their works in their eyes, thus he diverted them from the path, even though they could see}?
{Did not news come to you of those before you the people of Noah, and 'Aad, and Thamud, and those after them whom none know except Allah? Their messengers came to them with clarity, but they placed their hands onto their mouths and said "We are rejecting what you have been sent with, and we are in doubt as to what you are inviting us to."}?
Allah is reminding the people of Muhammad (P) of the fate of those nations who came before them, and were not geographically far from them.
Retracing Abraham's Footsteps
Now at last, after all the evidence has been gathered, we can piece together this age-old puzzle and walk in the footsteps of the Patriarch, retracing the road that took him from the home of his ancestors to the Land that was blessed to the ancient world. The Quran called it blessed because of its riches Iron ore, copper, rivers, trees, honey, figs and olives. But most importantly because of the trade routes and camel caravans that would later be established along it. It was also a land of volcanic activity towering mountain peaks, and abundant streams.
This cannot be Palestine. Only the Sarat and the highlands of Arabia, along the Red Sea coast, could fit this description.
Here is our rendering of the story
Abram (P) was born somewhere in the wilderness south of the Hadhramaut valley, not far from the south-central coast of Yemen, (the almost mythical coastal plain of Tihama). As is common in the ancient Yemeni dialects, they inserted the middle letter ?h? in many of their names, and thus ?Abram? became ?Abrahm? . You can compare this for example with Sayoun/ Sahyoun (Mount Zion), a mountain lying east of Sana?a. Another good example is Al-Hadad/ Al-Hdhd (The Hudhud? of the Quran). He was a warrior chief who fought against King David, was later taken prisoner by Solomon, and forced to serve in his army of fast steeds (the name ? Hudhud? could coincidently serve as a title for a general or soldier known for his speed of movement). He is mentioned in the Old Testament as "Hadad Ezar". This is the ?bird? who went to spy on neighboring Sheba at first, then visited its queen openly, and bore a letter for her from Solomon.
After a religious debate with the Imams of Misguidance from among his people, Abraham (P) packed his gear and migrated westward with his relative, Lot (P), towards the mountainous Sarat country. Allah guided him and led him towards the location of the ancient sanctuary (al-Bayt), which was a sacred valley somewhere in the south Asir region. (This means that Abraham did not originally know the location of this place, but through the help of Allah, he was able to reach it). Hence the Sanctuary already existed since before Abraham?s time, but had become a place of idols. Abraham, along with his son, Ismael, cleansed the place and it became an important destination for the hajj.
Because of this migration, Abraham became known as a ?Hebrew?, which, in the Arabic dialect is ?3ibri? , meaning one who crosses over (ر from one region to another. This title was given by the arrogant and sedentary inhabitants of the Sarat mountains, notably the ancient Kananah and Mudhar - rendered as ?Canaanites? and ?Egyptians? by the orientalist criminals and forgers of history - to any and all migrating nomads who crossed the Arabian wilderness and made their way to their lush mountain oases. Abraham?s offspring, Ismael and Isaac were both born in the Asir region, and it was there that the Patriarch was eventually buried, in a cave known in local legends as Al-Miqfalah (the ?Makfela? of the Torat).
Among the future descendants of Abram-Abraham (P) was a tribe called "Bani Israel", who were originally a band of goat and sheep herders living off the land in a tented, tribal village where Jacob (Yaqoob) resided. One of their sons, Joseph (Yusuf) eventually achieved high office in the ranks of a chief figure (malik) in the region, who grew fond of Yusuf. The latter was able, through Allah?s will, to transform his brothers from a life of goat-herding and agriculture, to a life of trade. (See chapter 12 of the Quran for the full details of the story, and refer to the following thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603137.0
Some 150-200 years later, the Israelites were persecuted by a villainous Mudhari chief, called Far3oun (I am now 100% convinced it?s a proper name, not a title), and were eventually enslaved. Their plight continued until Allah sent them Moses to lead their escape from a prominent trade citadel (the ?Misr? mentioned in the Quran), and into the wilderness areas. After the drowning of Far3oun and his men, the majority of Bani Israel disobeyed Allah?s command and refused to enter a certain fortified town somewhere in the Asir region, so they were punished and made to roam aimlessly from one place to another, for a period described in the Quran as 40 ?sana? (not necessarily solar years). This continued until such time when their faith was renewed and they were finally able to achieve unity under a strong leadership. It was then, during the early Iron Age, that they established a strong, centralized kingdom under David, and later Solomon. And this kingdom was located in the south of Yemen, centered around the city of Sana?a, and shared borders with Sheba, the realm of the Queen Bilquees.
The establishment of ancient Israel along the trade routes of Arabia is so blatantly evident, even from the Old Testament, that the rampant beliefs placing it in Palestine are quite simply scandalous. The OT itself, especially in its Song of Songs and Psalms (Zubur), picturing the long-lost glories of Israel and the love story of Solomon , talks of camel caravans, and mentions places rich with myrrh and frankincense. These two almost legendary substances became the envy of all surrounding kingdoms. The Egyptians used the myrrh plant as ingredient for their mummification chemicals, while the ancient Mesopotamians and later the Greeks sought incense fumes for their religious rituals. These two substances became more valued than gold.
Until the day breaks and the shadows flee away, I will go my way to the mountain of myrrh And to the hill of frankincense (Song / Songs 46).
Spikenard and saffron, Calamus and cinnamon, With all trees of frankincense, Myrrh and aloes, With all the chief spices --(Song / Songs 414)
And their father Israel said to them, "If it must be so, then do this Take some of the best fruits of the land in your vessels and carry down a present for the man -- a little balm and a little honey, spices and myrrh, pistachio nuts and almonds. (Genesis 4311)
To those who continue to live on in stubborn arrogance and denial, I ask you Which land in the entire region produced myrrh and incense? Only TWO countries were known to produce it The Horn of Africa (Somalia) and Yemen.
The map below shows the areas of myrrh and frankinsence production in the ancient world
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Makkah, Bakkah, and the Mother of Towns Three DIFFERENT Places.
According to Islamic folklore and tradition (i.e. Islamic Hearsay), Bakkah was the old name for Makkah. The problem with this belief is that it doesn?t explain why Allah would use BOTH names in the Quran if they did indicate the SAME place.
Let?s take the following example as an illustration
Let?s assume, for argument?s sake, that there is an old ruined opera house in the city of Paris, France, and that the site of the ruined building has been declared a preserved cultural area. Also, let?s assume that 1000 years ago, there was no Paris, but a small town existed in its place that was called ?Frankbourgh?. This ?Frankbourgh? later became Paris, many centuries later. This name however, has now been lost and forgotten, as the generations of today no longer use it. To them, the city is called Paris. Only those who specialize in European history will know of the name ?Frankbourgh?. Now imagine this In the year 2012, Joe and Mac are engaged in a conversation, and Joe says to Mac ?Hey, Mac, did you know that the first opera house ever built is the one at Frankbourgh??. What would Mac?s reaction be? Of course, being a resident of the 21st Century, he will stare stupidly, not knowing a damn thing about ?Frankbourgh?. Eventually, Joe will have to explain to him that Frankbourgh was a small town that existed 1000 years ago in the very same place where Paris now stands (meaning Frankbourgh was the old name for Paris). Instead of all this trouble, Joe could have simply cut it short and said ?The first opera house ever built is the one in Paris?.
Another example can be made of the city of Sana?a, the capital of Yemen. Historians know for a fact that the ancient name of this city, starting from the Biblical times, was Uzal/Azal. This name is no longer in use, and only the hardline historian or researcher is aware of it. Now imagine this If I tell you ?Did you know that the oldest Quranic manuscript was discovered in Uzal in 1972?? I think it?s safe to assume that 99.99% of laymen would not even have a clue as to where on Earth this ?Uzal? is, or what I?m jabbering about. But If I say ?The oldest manuscript was found in the Grand Mosque of Sana?a in 1972?, then it would make things clear.
Now let?s take these two examples and apply them to Makkah
The Quran tells the people of Muhammad (P) that the first sanctuary established IS the one at Bakkah.
{The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakkah, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds}?
Note how the verse is using the PRESENT tense (IS) not the past tense (was). If Bakkah was the ancient name for Makkah during Abraham?s time, but then, by Muhamad?s time, the name had become Makkah, then why would Allah use both names? Couldn?t He simply have said {The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Makkah} ?
This can only mean that Bakkah and Makkah are NOT the same place, and those who claim otherwise are simply conjecturing.
Furthermore, who says that Makkah is the ?Ummul? Qura? (Mother / Capital of Towns) mentioned in the Quran? Again, this is merely conjecture on the part of the Hijazi Arabs, who hijacked the title ?Mother of Towns? and the name ?Bakkah? and attributed both to a small and insignificant town that was a pagan center, by the name of Makkah. And this lie has continued until today, and become part of unquestionable Muslim belief. The Sanctuary (Bayt) was never meant to be in the heart of a metroplis area. It was a wilderness place, tucked away in a mountainous valley. The Saudis have made a mockery of Allah's words, and surrounded their idol cubic structure with skyscrapers and 5-star hotels. But in the end, they cannot fool humanity for all eternity, and a time will come when their lie will be exposed.So what is ?the Mother / Capital of Towns? then?
Here is a reminder of what the Quran says concerning the previous messengers who were sent before Muhammad (P)
{These are the towns whose news We told you of (O Muhamamd); their messengers had come to them with proofs, but they would not believe in what they had denied before. It is such that Allah stamps on the hearts of the rejecters}?
{That is from the news of the towns which We recount to you (O Muhammad), some are still standing and some have been wiped out}?
{And We have not sent before you (Muhammad) except men, to whom We gave inspiration, from the people of the towns. Will they not roam the land and see how was the punishment of those before them? And the abode of the Hereafter is far better for those who are aware. Do you not comprehend?}?
{And We destroyed the towns around you (O Muhammad), and We had dispatched the signs, perhaps they would repent.}?
{And your Rabb was not to destroy the towns until He sends a messenger to their mother/capital (town) to recite Our revelations to them. And We do not destroy the towns unless its people are wicked}?
{And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed, authenticating what is between his hands, and that you (Muhammad) may warn the Mother of the Towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they maintain their contact prayer}?
What the Quran is telling us is quite clear ALL the messengers who came before Muhammad (P), were from among the towns surrounding a capital / mother town. This means they were all around the same geographic region. Egypt, Palestine, Iraq, India, Mexico and Japan have nothing to do with these events whatsoever. The Mother of Towns and the towns around it are all located in the South of Arabia.
So which of them was the Mother of Towns, where Muhammad began preaching the Quran?
Based on all the information we have gathered so far, we can say that in order to qualify for this title, the town must have the following criteria
1- It must be an important trade center strategically located on or very near the ancient trade routes.
2- It must have had a mixture of communities of Jews, Nasara, Sabeans and pagans.
3- Most importantly, it must be very old - ancient - possibly the first urban settlement.
4- It must be near volcanic mountains.
5- It must be reasonably close to the remains of the homes of Ad and Thamud, which we have shown were in South Arabia, not in the North. This is line with what the Quran says{Is it not a guide to them how many generations We had destroyed before them, which they are walking now in their homes? In that are signs for the people of understanding}?.
Does the current city of Makkah in the Hijaz area of Saudi Arabia fit these criteria? If yes, then why is there ZERO mention of this town in the records of the ancient Greek and Roman merchants who had dealings with Arabia, nor the geographers who visited the Peninsula? Why is there ZERO archeological evidence of the existence of Makkah before the 3rd Century A.D? Why is there no mention of it in the Old Testament? Look at the map of volcanoes in Arabia on page 7 of this thread, and verify for yourself if Makkah is located near any of them.
My current belief (until I am presented with evidence proving otherwise) - and I am not forcing this belief upon anyone - is that there are two prime candidates for the Mother of Towns, and neither of them is Makkah. The more I read and research about this issue, and the more I look at the evidence surrounding the current city of Makkah, the more I become convinced that we?ve been lied to.
1st Candidate Najran (known to the ancient Greeks and Romans as Negrana).
Here are some facts about this city
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Najran has been proven by archeologists to be over 4,000 years old, which means it has ben an urban settlement since before Abraham migrated to the region. It lies in the far south of Saudi Arabia, near the political border of Yemen.
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Najran was known by its ancestral name of ?Al-Rabbah? (a name that appears several times in the Old Testament as well), and later became known as Al-Ukhdood (meaning ?The Trench?).
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It lay on a strategic fork in the frankincense and myrrh trade routes. The first fork came from Hadhramaut, passed through Shibam and Ma'reb (capital of Sheba). The second came from Aden, and passed through Sana'a.
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The city contains ancient Egyptian, Roman, as well as Persian ruins, which shows how the ancient nations that launched campaigns against the trade routes of South Arabia always made a point to control the city. One of those campaigns was led by Roman general Aelius Gallus in the year 24 B.C, when he attempted to put a stranglehold on the region, by sacking Najran and the port of Aden, in order to secure the trade routes and protect the passage of naval fleets through the Bab-al-Mandib Straight (the thin straight between Yeme nand the Horn of Africa). The campaign met with spectacular failure, however, due to a disease which plagued Gallus' soldiers, as well as betrayal by a Nabatean guide. Look up ?Aelius Gallus Arabian Campaign? in the internet for more information about this disastrous and scandalous defeat of the Romans, one that even historian Strabo, who was a personal friend of Gallus, wrote about.
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Najran was known for harboring the largest community of Nasara (and later Nestorian Christians) in all of Arabia. Many modern scholars believe that it may very well have been the destination of the Apostle Paul (inventor of Christianity) who made a ?mysterious? trip to Arabia, where he stayed for 3 years (as he admits in his own Letters), before returning to the Levant to start preaching Christianity as we know it today. (Look up ?Christian Community in Najran? on the internet). It was also the home of Waraqa bin Naufal, the famous Christian Cannon of Islamic folklore, who may very well have been an authentic and historic figure (The Hijazi Arabs stole him and shifted him to Makkah, their pagan idol center).
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About 25 KM east of the city is Taslal Mountain (a mountain surrounded by groves of date trees), the site of the legendary Ka?aba of Najran, a giant cathedral that was built there long before the era of Muhammad (P). The Ka?aba was erected by a family of clergy, namely Bani Abd al-Madan Ibn al-Dayyan al- Harithi. The Ka?aba is mentioned in the poetry of famous Yemeni poet Al-A?asha, who was a personal friend of the Al-Dayyan Cardinals of Najran, wherein he says
Paraphrase
And the Kaaba of Najran is a must for you (to visit),
Until you are honored (as a guest) at its doors.
To visit Yazeed Bin Abdul Madan,
And Qays, (they) are its stewards,
And the sight of flowers and jasmines will greet you there,
And the ringing chimes of its threshold.- In the year 525 A.D, some 50 years before the advent of Muhammad (P), the city of Najran became famous (or rather infamous) for a massacre perpetrated by the mad Yemeni Jewish king, Yusuf Bin Zar3a bin Himyar, better known as Dhu? Nawwas (note the ?dhu? title of kings, a very common phenomenon in Yemeni culture). Some 15,000 Christians were drenched in oil and burnt in trenches there. This event, which has been documented by the Ethiopian and Roman Byzantine Churches, as well as the Yemeni historians, was the first ?holocaust? perpetrated in history, and is mentioned in the Quran in the chapter called ?The Constellations?. It was, in fact the catalyst which later led to the army of Abraha attacking the Himyars of Yemen to avenge the death of the Christians. (Islamic folklore, invented by the Hijazi Arabs of the north, however, stole this actual historic event, and made a legend out of it, claiming that Abraha had attacked Makkah with elephants, on the year of Muhammad?s birth. This is an example of how truth is often mixed with myths, and how rival nations or groups hijack each others? history and accomplishments, and claim it as their own). After deposing of the Himyarites, the Ethipians (viceroys of Christian Rome) established their own rule in Yemen, and built another magnificent church in Sana?a, which was known to the Yemenis of the time as Al-Qunays (or "Kunays", meaning the Basilica. (Think of where the word ?Kenesset?, the seat of the ?Israeli? government, comes from).
The issue of the Roman-Jewish (and later the Roman-Sassanid) wars for the conquest of South Arabia is very important, and could very well explain the first verses of Chapter 30 of the Quran, entitled ?The Romans?.
2nd Candidate Sana'a (The Jewish Capital of Arabia).
The following are some facts about Sana'a
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The ancestral name of Sana?a was Azal (or Uzal), a name which appears in the Old Testament by the letter, as one of Noah?s descendants. (Legends tend to attribute the names of heroes to towns. But this does not necessarily mean that they are complete myths which must be discarded. There is always some truth in them. Legends serve as dramatizing "dry" historical accounts, and gving them some human substance and emotion). The OT mentions Uzal, son of Joktan (Qahtan) son of Shem, son of Noah. Is it a coincidence that the term ?Qahtan? was a derogatory title given to the South Arabians by their northern (Hijazi) neighbors?
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The ancient traditions and culture of Yemen tell us that Sana?a was known to the old generations as ?City of Shem, son of Noah?, and was established right after the Great Flood, making it the oldest city in all of Arabia. Anthropologists and linguists are now 100% confident that Arabia was the source of all the so-called ?Semitic? migrations to Mesopotamia and the Levant. This means that the civilization of south Arabia is OLDER than that of Mesopotamia and the Levant. And since there is an emerging theory among many (notably from Gremany and Russia) that Sana?a is Yemen?s oldest city, then there is credence and some truths ringing in these legends.
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Until the 1960?s, Sana?a harbored the largest single community of Arab Jews (in terms of concentration). And the Rabbis of Sana?a were staunchly opposed to the Jewish migration to Palestine. In ancient times, the city was also a melting ground for Himyaritic Christians and Sabeans. (These three groups were addressed during Muhammad?s time by the Quran, which promised Paradise for Jews, Christians and Sabeans who did good deeds and believed in the Oneness of Allah).
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The Islamic traditions speak of a famous Jewish Rabbi by the title of Kaab?ul Ahbar , who is claimed to have ?embraced? Islam later on. Even the Jewish Encyclopedia mentions him by name, and says very clearly that he was from Sana?a. (You can look him up in the Jewish Encyclopedia).
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Sana?a lies at an altitude of nearly 2000 meters, overlooking the ancient myrrh and incense trade routes, and is surrounded by volcanic peaks, making it one of the highest altitude capitals in the world.
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The very name ?Sana?a? means ?fortress? or something along that line. It was built in a way that was later followed as a model by many fortified cities in Yemen, safely tucked away in treacherous mountain passes. The Old Testament description of the City of David as a fortified military outpost on Mount Zion (Sayoun), surrounded by towering mountain peaks, is unlike anything existing in the entire geography of Palestine.
In fact, King David's campaign against Rabbah (ancient Najran) in the 11th Century B.C, as desribed in the OT, mirrors Dhu Nawwas' brutal attack against that same city, in the 6th Century A.D. The departure point of both kings was from mount Zion, a fortified citadel east of Sana'a.
So David gathered all the people together and went to Rabbah, fought against it, and took it (2 Samuel 1229).
- The city of Sana?a is where the oldest manuscript of the Quran was found, stashed in the attic of the Grand Mosque, in 1972. (The mosque that has a cube-like structure in its central courtyard).
These evidences, once gathered together, present a new picture, and a theory exposing a conspiracy that I have been suspecting for some time now Could it be that the Northern Arabs (of the Hijaz) hijacked the history and culture of their southern neighbors, and claimed it as their own, mixing historical truths with myths to give credence to their story?
What we are proposing here is a radically new perspective While the folkloric Muhammad of Islamic tradition was born in Makkah and began preaching there, the actual historic Muhammad may well have been a figure originating from South Arabia. He was a small-town man of common and humble descent. He was not BORN in Najran nor in Sana?a, for that matter, but in a small town not far from the trade routes. This explains why some skeptics and doubters of Muhammad's message said, as the Quran recounts
{And they said ?If only this Quran was sent down to a man of greatness from the two towns!}?{4331}
This is made all the more evident when we look at some old maps of the region, in yellowed and rotten Saudi gazetteers, and discover the shocking truth of the presence of towns by the name of "Badr" (famous for the Battle of Badr) and "Khaybar" (famous for the "Khaybar Raid" in the vicinity of Najran!!
Take at look at teh following map, taken from Ziad Mina's book "Geography of the Torah in Asir", page 122
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Red circle Khaybar
Blue circle Badr
Green circle NajranHow can there be "Badr" and "Khaybar" in South Arabia, barely 100 KM from the Yemeni border, when Muslim traditions place the first just south of Madinah, and the second just north of it? Could these names have been copied or projected northwards by the Arabs of Hijaz?
Coincidently, I did some research about the present day "Khaybar" and "Badr" of the Asir region, and sure enough, they are BOTH mentioned in Arabic websites. They are known to Saudis as "Badr of the South" and "Khaybar of the South".
Here is a link to Arabic wikipedia containing passing reference to "Badr" in Asir
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And here a link to a forum talking about a tragic traffic accident that took place in the "Khaybar of the South"
http//www.alrslan.com/vb/t8398.html
(Arabic readers can verify the existence of these two towns).
If the nearby city of Najran was known to the ancient Romans and Greeks by that same name (Negrana), this means it has retained that name since at least 300 BC. It is therefore safe to assume that the towns surrounding could very well have kept their names since those eras.
Conclusion
The theatre of the Old Testament events was in South Arabia. It has nothing to do with Palestine or Egypt whatsoever. The land of the Prophets was there, along the coastal mountainous strip stretching from Asir to the furthest reaches of Yemen, and from the highlands of Najd, all the way to the Hadhramaut Valley in the east. And the Patriarch Abaham never set foot outside this region.
The story of Bani Israel is an account of a people?s struggle against tyranny, and their transition from a nomadic life of goat-herding, to a sedentary life of trade and industry. It is a story of a people?s search for an ideal and a meaning to their lives. It is for all of humanity to study and learn from. Allah kept sending them messengers in rapid succession, because He saw in them the seed of true monotheism, and thus He favored them over the peoples of their time, despite the vein of stubbornness and arrogance that ran through them.
Nuh, Hud, Saleh, Shuaib, Ibraheem, Ismael, Isaac, Esa, Dawood, and Sulayman...they were not mythological figures, as the modern scholars and Neo-Archeologists have claimed. These were the prophets and heroes of Yemen, in its long-distant childhood era. And their memory and legends have been passed down from generation to generation and sung in the ancient psalms of the region for generations untold.
It's the archeologists who have been looking in the wrong place.
This is because someone, somewhere down the line, prostituted the history of an Arabian tribe by the name of "Bani Israel", and claimed it as their own, in order for that "someone" to give credence to a false belief that they are a pure race, (Semitic), and God?s Chosen People. After a political debate (Palestine versus Uganda), that "someone" chose the former as the site of the alleged ?Promised Land?, for no better reason than to plant an alien, cancerous entity of Europeans (Russians, Hungarians, Polish, Lithuanians, etc?) in the heart of the Arab world, strategically placed between its African and Asian wings, in order to pursue their globalist and imperialist agendas. Ever since the 18th Century, orientalist translations of the Old Testament have fooled people into believing the doctrine of a ?Promised Land? in Palestine, into believing Judaism is a ?race?, hidden the true identity of the Israelites, Satanically merged between the concept of ?Israelite? and ?Jew? (making them synonymous), and most importantly hijacked the entire history of Arabia, the true cradle and origin of civilization on this planet, and projected its events onto other regions. But the most tragic concept is that the Arabs themselves have no idea of how their history was stolen. They send their children to schools and universities that teach them a Zionist version of history, while openly and ignorantly declaring those same Zionists as their enemies. The Muslims arrogantly live in denial, believing their creed to be 100% true and clear of falsehoods and forgeries.
But in the end, the truth always has a way of revealing itself, no matter how long the LIE endures. This is Allah?s Way, His Sunna, which never changes. And it is only a matter of time before the new awakening conscience among archeologists and anthropologists will make this truth known. A day will come when the ancient mountains, plains and valleys of Yemen will be heard, their secrets unveiled, and a new version of history will then emerge.
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Abraham's Trail
Peace...
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