Caliphate system and Slavery
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Hello,
I have a question about the Caliphate system - is it specified in the Quran? According to other Muslims, it is permissible if a Caliph choses to fight disbelievers if they refuse Islam or paying jizyah as subdied dhimmis to keep their religion as an alternative - do you agree? And slavery - the Islamic slave trade in Asia and Africa saw the enslavement of millions simply on the basis that they were not Muslims. Most of the female slaves were used as sex slaves. Some Caliphs required children to be given as jizyah. Is it permissible according to the Quran in your view?
Peace to all.
Slavery is permissible in Islam. However, we should note that Slavery exsisted long before Islam but islam improved the living conditions for slaves e.g. muslim masters are obligated to feed and clothe their slaves. Keep in mind that slavery in islam is only permissible during war which would automatically limit the numbers of slaves and keep in mind that islam forbids enslaving of muslims, even non-muslims are not allowed to enslave muslims.
Muslim masters having sex with their slavegirls is permissible, our own prophet sws had sex with his slavegirls, prophet ibrahim alaihi salam had sex with his slavegirl Hagar and so on. The reason for why muslim masters can have sex with their slavegirls is because promiscuity back then and even today is so common that limiting a man to one sexpartner would force him to commit adultery. Keep also in mind that the slavegirls also have sexual needs which should be satisfied and the consequences of a master not having sex with his slavegirls would be slavegirls seeking sexual pleasure from prostitution, and a islamic state cannot tolerate prostitution at any cost. However when a slavegirl gives birth to her muslim masters child the child would be born as a free person unlike in christianity which deprived children of slaves that right.
In the instance of illness its required for the slave to be looked after. In which religion do you see so much compassion and love for the slaves as the islamic religion?Islam is a mercy for the humanity. If Islam was so cruel why would millions of billions people each year convert to Islam ?
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Sunnah heroe, I kindly warn you that you are propagating slandering against the Prophet on hearsay. You were not there, you didn't see or hear such a thing, you do not even know anybody who may have known the Prophet, Dbs, still you dare slander him on mere hearsay, a Prophet of God who is a mercy for all the worlds including prisoners and women, and you slander him, in spite of knowing that he did transmit faithfully the truthful Qur'an and that he wouln't do anything that is not be best conduct as per the Qur'an. Either one is nuts or one is a provocator and a godless person to diseminate slander against the beloved Prophet sent as the khatamnnabiyin.
I am very worried when I read people saying such awful things.
But you are warned that no doubt you like everybody else will be asked as to why you slandered a person, and a person non less than the one sent as the mercy to the worlds. I would hate to see you suffer the torments of hell for that.
Salaam
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Sunnah Heroe, Christianity does not allow slavery. Europeans did not even abide by the rules set in the Old Testament. For instance, Moses forbade kidnapping people to keep or sell them as slaves, yet Islam allows this.
I'm sure the slavegirls enjoy sex! -\
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Laws applying to slaves
General treatment of slaves
The law protected slaves from being abused by their masters
Killing a slave merited punishment.1 (Ex 2120)
Permanently injured slaves had to be set free (Ex 2126-27)
Slaves who ran away from oppressive masters were effectively freed (Dt 2315-16)The law also gave slaves a day of rest every week (Ex 2010, Dt 514).
Hebrew slaves
Hebrews could become slaves of a fellow Hebrew if they committed a crime such as theft and had no other way of paying the fine (Ex 221-3) or if they became impoverished and sold themselves and/or their family into slavery. (See also Did slavery take advantage of the poor? below.) Kidnapping someone and selling them into slavery was forbidden (Dt 247).
When one Hebrew owned another Hebrew as a slave, the law commanded lenient treatment
Slaves were to be treated as hired workers, not slaves (Lev 2539-43)
All slaves were to be freed after six years (Ex 212, Dt 1512)
Freed slaves were to be liberally supplied with grain, wine and livestock (Dt 1512-15)
Every fiftieth year (the year of jubilee), all Hebrew slaves were to be freed, even those owned by foreigners (Lev 2510, 47-54)In special cases, slaves could choose to remain with their masters if they felt it was in their best interests (Dt 1516-17).
If a Hebrew sold himself as a slave to a foreigner, he reserved the right to buy his freedom (Lev 2547-49) and was still to be treated as a hired man (Lev 2553).
Foreign slaves
While foreign slaves could be made slaves for life, the laws regarding the general treatment of slaves applied to them as well (Lev 2422, Num 1515-16). The law made it clear that foreigners were not inferiors who could be mistreated (Ex 239); instead they were to be loved just as fellow Israelites were (Lev 1933-34). For more information, see the article on Gentiles in the OT.
Female slaves
In some cases, fathers could sell their daughters as a maidservant and wife. Since they were then married to their master, they were not automatically set free after six years (though unmarried female slaves were freed, as Dt 1512 explicitly states). However, they were still protected by the law
If the husband divorced his wife, the law labelled it "unfair treatment" and allowed for her to be freed (Ex 21
If someone bought a wife for his son, he was to treat her as his daughter (Ex 219)
Neglected wives were automatically freed (Ex 2110-11)Captives of war apparently became slaves, and men could choose to marry female captives. There were similar laws for the protection of these women, even though they would have been in the lowest class of society
Captive women were given a month to mourn their families and adjust to their new home before marrying (Dt 2113)
If divorced by their husband, they were freed (Dt 2114)
They could not be sold to anyone else (Dt 2114)See also Were female slaves raped? below.
Specific objectionsDt 2110-11 Were female slaves raped?
The law explicitly condemned all of the following
Rape (Dt 2225-27)
Prostitution (2317-1
Sex outside of marriage, whether consensual or not (Ex 2216-17, Dt 2228-29)
Sex with a slave who was betrothed or married to someone else (Lev 1920-22)Therefore any forced intercourse would have been against both the letter and the spirit of the law.
Ex 2120-21 Could masters beat slaves to death?
The NIV translates Ex 2121 as, "...but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." While there is an argument for this translation,2 it is not necessarily the correct translation, so I am using the standard meaning of "he is not to be punished if the slave survives for a day or two."
Most likely, this law was intended to distinguish between cases where a slave died as a direct result of their master's mistreatment and where they died of natural causes. It could of course be the case that a slave was severely beaten but didn't succumb to their injuries for a few days. In that situation, the case could have been brought before the priests and they could have used common sense and ruled that it was murder (cf. Dt 178-11). One should keep in mind that the laws given in the OT are examples, not legalese. For instance, Ex. 2133-34 mentions only an ox or donkey falling into a pit, but that hardly means that if another animal fell into someone's pit the owner wouldn't receive compensation.
Lev 2539 Did slavery take advantage of the poor?
Skeptics have objected that poverty would force people to sell themselves as slaves; impovershed Hebrews could not then be said to have chosen slavery of their own free will. However, the law provided several safety nets for the poor within society
Gleanings left over from harvest were left for the poor to pick up (Dt 2419-21)
Towns had the equivalent of food pantries for the poor, which were stocked using tithes (Dt 1428-29)
People were commanded to lend generously to the poor and provide for them (Dt 157-11, Lev 2535-37), without charging interest (Ex 2225)Finally, the law was adamant about providing justice for the poor and not taking advantage of them (Dt 2719, Ex 2222-27). Only under extreme circumstances would someone be forced to sell themselves into slavery because of their poverty. If the Israelites had followed the law faithfully, there would not have been any financial need at all (Dt 154-5).
Ex 215-6, Dt 1516-17 Were slaves forced to say they "loved" their masters and/or serve them for life?
The law plainly states that Hebrew slaves were to be freed after serving six years (Ex 212, Dt 1512). If a slave wished to remain, it was his free choice. Since Hebrews typically became slaves only due to poverty, some may have felt they were better off working for a rich family and being provided for rather than struggling to make it on their own (cf. Dt 1516).
Slaves weren't forced to say they loved their masters if they wanted to stay; the speech given in Exodus 215 is only an example. A parallel passage in Deuteronomy 1516 only has the slave saying he doesn't want to leave.
As for whether slaves could be forced into lifelong slavery, Exodus 216 says the ceremony for lifelong slaves was to take place in front of a judge. Slaves had to publicly state their intention to remain as slaves; their master couldn't lie and say they'd expressed their intentions privately. While an evil master could force his slaves to make the proclamation by threatening them, it was the responsibility of the priests/judges and the community at large to observe masters' treatment of their slaves (cf. Lev 2553). This observation was also in their best interests, since one person's disobedience brought guilt on those who knew what was going on and failed to do anything about it (Lev 1917), which in turn would result in adverse consequences for the entire community (Dt 1126-2.
Footnotes-
What punishment was given to a master who killed a slave? In an earlier version of this article, I said it was death, based on Ex 2112. However, I don't think this is necessarily the case. For one, the preceding verses 2112-17 list multiple crimes that were explicitly punishable by death, yet 2120 does not explicitly say the master should be put to death. For another, 2128-32 says that when the owner of an ox is culpable for its goring someone to death, he is to be killed, but if the victim was a slave, he is only subject to a fine. (Back to article)
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I received this explanation from GotQuestions.org (quoted with permission)
The Hebrew word translated "gets up" in the NIV, "remains alive" in the NKJV, and "survives" in the NASB literally means "arise, endure, remain, raise up". So, the differences in translation result from debate on whether the verb in this passage means to literally "stand up" or metaphorically to "remain" as in stay alive. I lean towards the meaning of "live" taken by the NKJV and NAS. Punishment of slaves was considered the right of the owner (Pr 1013; 1324), but this did not allow for violence. An owner who caused the death of a slave was to be punished (Ex 2120). If the slave lived a few days it was evidence that the owner had no intent to kill. Any permanent injury brought freedom to the slave (Ex 2126-27). The master's power over the slave was limited, which made these laws unprecedented in the ancient world.
(Back to article)
http//www.rationalchristianity.net/slavery_ot.html#foreign
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Very good points. However, I want to add two more points.
- Quran tells us to avoid idolworshipp
- Quran tells us to avoid evil.
Anyone with even a low IQ would know that forcing another person to obey him unconditionally (owning another human person) is idolworship due to the fact that you force another person to obey you as you was his God. Furthermore anyone with even a low IQ would know that slavery is pure evil, which is also forbidden according to the quran. If that slave is lucky enough to run away and if you catch him you would begin to beat and lash him in order to ensure that he wont run away again, if torture isnt evil than what is evil?
Quran does not mention child abuse, slavery, rape, cheating, lying by telling half-truths etc. as being DIRECTLY prohibited, since the Quran is ment for the believers, and thus only lay down basic principles since the believers dont need a book to tell them that they should not indulge in child abuse, slavery, rape, torture etc. They know these things are wrong already by the grace and guidance of God. Quran only confirms what they already knew - and a book to help them further in their quest for God.But of course, many people justify child abuse, slavery, rape, cheating, lying, and murder in the name of the Quran and these people are called ''munafeqeen' in the quran itself.
Peace
Exactly.
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Sunnah Heroe, Christianity does not allow slavery. Europeans did not even abide by the rules set in the Old Testament. For instance, Moses forbade kidnapping people to keep or sell them as slaves, yet Islam allows this.
I'm sure the slavegirls enjoy sex! -\
I don't care about christianity anyway. Islam is mercy for humanity and people who dont understand this are the people Allah tells us would stay in hell fire forever.
Why do you want a sex-slave to enjoy sex....... You OWN her like you own a cell phone. Have you ever asked your cell phone before using it if it likes to be used or not?
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Islam is mercy for humanity...
And then, right to...
Why do you want a sex-slave to enjoy sex....... You OWN her like you own a cell phone. Have you ever asked your cell phone before using it if it likes to be used or not?
Wow. Just. Wow. I have no words.
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limiting a man to one sexpartner would force him to commit adultery. Keep also in mind that the slavegirls also have sexual needs which should be satisfied and the consequences of a master not having sex with his slavegirls would be slavegirls seeking sexual pleasure from prostitution, and a islamic state cannot tolerate prostitution at any cost.
This is about the dumbest thing I have heard, next to Monkeys stoning each other and Goats eating pages of the Quran.
I was a single mother of two, did I become a prostitute... umm no. Would I ... umm no. Back then I understand ppl did things to survive, being raped should not have been one of them. I know many men in monogamous relationships who are happy and content. Using this excuse to be an animal does not work. It does not force adultery to have a loving, one on one relationship. So men are pigs to help save us poor women. Hagar was the daughter of the pharaoh aka princess (Sealed Nectar). Many prophets had just one wife, including Ishmael.
Slavery is a form of oppression. Allah wanted us to free slaves and made a way that would help get rid of slavery. If every slave married and had a child then there would be less and less and less, till there would hopefully, by His mercy and grace be none.
Rape is not only oppression, it damages someone emotionally. The effect on the mental health of someone who had survived rape is not a pleasant one. It has horrible consequences. How would you feel if your sister was raped? Don't say oh she is muslim. A christian could take her captive and rape her. If God's system is for all humanity, then her being raped is part of the rights of the men who capture her. The ppl of the book are still termed as believers.
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Why do you want a sex-slave to enjoy sex....... You OWN her like you own a cell phone. Have you ever asked your cell phone before using it if it likes to be used or not?
You idiot, because it is a PHONE, not a HUMAN BEING! Go back to your hole in the ground, plz!
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Curious girl
Sunnah Heroe, Christianity does not allow slavery. Europeans did not even abide by the rules set in the Old Testament. For instance, Moses forbade kidnapping people to keep or sell them as slaves, yet Islam allows this.
I'm sure the slavegirls enjoy sex!
I am sure you have not studied the HISTORY then! Don't preach European ethics they are known to every one, go ask Africans, the Red Indians the races of Newzealand and South America.
sorry to say not only history but even the Bible you are not well aware ofNumbers 317, 17-18 "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.......Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
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Curious girl
I am sure you have not studied the HISTORY then! Don't preach European ethics they are known to every one, go ask Africans, the Red Indians the races of Newzealand and South America.
sorry to say not only history but even the Bible you are not well aware ofNumbers 317, 17-18 "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.......Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
just my words. The christians were the worst with the slaves while muslims were good with their slaves. Thats a fact.
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Rajah and Sunnah Hero,
The mere fact that Europeans practiced barbaric slavery does not disprove the fact that it is incompatible with the Christian lifestyle. No wonder the Roman Catholic Church first declared slavery a herecy in the 1400s and the major figures in the abolition movement were Christians like William Wilberforce who argued that slavery was unchristian. Once the Western nations abolished slavery, the intercepted Arab/Muslim slave ships, eventually using their power to pressure the Muslim world to abolish slavery.
I don't care about christianity anyway. Islam is mercy for humanity and people who dont understand this are the people Allah tells us would stay in hell fire forever.
Why do you want a sex-slave to enjoy sex....... You OWN her like you own a cell phone. Have you ever asked your cell phone before using it if it likes to be used or not?
Your statement makes me wonder if you have any empathy at all. Sociopaths have no problem with kidnapping people, selling them, raping them, etc. God teaches throughout the bible that you should have mercy and do to others as you would have them do unto you. Your first statement about mercy and your second statement referring to sex-slaves as cellphones (de-humanising them) are total contradictions. Your version of God sounds really mixed up about what he wants.....
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What is there to wonder about sunna-hero He calls himself like troll, he acts like a troll, performs like a troll...
He must be laughing himself to death,people taking him seriously.
Peace Huruf,
I really, REALLY hope you are right. /
-Joel
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just my words. The christians were the worst with the slaves while muslims were good with their slaves. Thats a fact.
I think that Europeans were more honest about their slavery than Muslims were. Most Muslims are not even aware of that history. Slavery occurred invisible to most Muslims because the religious authority would not preach these things in mosques and most Islamic empires were not transparent about it.
The lastest Turkish smash soap opera (Suleiman the Magnificent) that talks about the harems of the sultan opened up a lot of eyes in the Arab world.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XCwGCIKD0Q
I watched the whole first season and so did my mom. She was shocked at what was going on. People now know for the first time that harems were not belly dancers but actual slaves that the Sultan owned and had sex with whenever he wanted. Most of these females were kidnapped and sold to slavery to the Ottomans. Often their families would not know what happened to them and never saw them again. Slavery is one of the most evil practices in humankind. It is kidnapping, rape, exploitation and destruction of families. To legalize this barbaric practice the Muslim authorities had to find hadiths to support it.
Ottoman slavery in Eastern EuropeIn the devirme (that has a meaning of "blood tax" or "child collection", young Christian boys from the Balkans and Anatolia were taken away from their homes and families, converted to Islam and enlisted into special soldier classes of the Ottoman army. These soldier classes were named Janissaries and were the most famous branch of the Kapkulu. The Janissaries eventually became a decisive factor in the Ottoman invasions of Europe. Most of the military commanders of the Ottoman forces, imperial administrators and de facto rulers of the Ottoman Empire, such as Pargal brahim Pasha and Sokollu Mehmet Paa, were recruited in this way. By 1609 the Sultan's Kapkulu forces increased to about 100,000.
Rural slavery was largely a Caucasian phenomenon, carried to Anatolia and Rumelia after the Circassian migration in 1864. Conflicts emerged within the immigrant community and the Ottoman Establishment, at times, intervened on the side of the slaves.
For a long time, until the early 18th century Crimean Khanate maintained massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East. In a process called "harvesting of the steppe" Crimean Tatars enslaved many Slavic peasants. The Crimean Khanate was undoubtedly one of the strongest powers in Eastern Europe; the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia suffered a series of Tatar invasions, the goal of which was to loot, pillage and capture slaves into jasyr. The borderland area to the south-east was in a state of semi-permanent warfare until the 18th century. It is estimated that up to 75% of the Crimean population consisted of slaves or freed slaves.
Barbary slave raidsSee also Barbary corsairs
Hundreds of thousands of Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and the Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 19th centuries. These slave raids were perpetrated mostly by Arabs and Berbers rather than Ottoman Turks, but during much of the height of the Barbary slave trade in the 16th and 17th centuries the Barbary states were subject to Ottoman jurisdiction and ruled by Ottoman pashas; furthermore, many slaves captured by the Barbary corsairs were sold eastward into Ottoman territories before, during, and after Barbary's period of Ottoman rule.Slaves in the Imperial HaremThe concubines of the Ottoman Sultan consisted chiefly of purchased slaves. Because Islamic law forbade Muslims to enslave fellow Muslims, the Sultan's concubines were generally of Christian origin. The mother of a Sultan, though technically a slave, received the extremely powerful title of Valide Sultan, and at times became effective ruler of the Empire (see Sultanate of women). One notable example was K?sem Sultan, daughter of a Greek Christian priest, who dominated the Ottoman Empire during the early decades of the 17th century. Another notable example was Roxelana, the favourite wife of Suleiman the Magnificent.
The concubines were guarded by enslaved eunuchs, often of African origin. The eunuchs presented another problem, because Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man. Ethiopian Christians, however, had no such compunctions; and thus they enslaved and emasculated members of neighboring nations, and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte.
The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of black Nubian or Abyssinian eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off underage boys around the age of 8 who were children in a castration operation, the eunuch boys were then sold in the Ottoman Empire. The majority of Ottoman eunuchs endured castration at the hands of the Copts at Abou Gerbe monastery on Mount Ghebel Eter. The black boys were captured from Abyssinia and other areas in Sudan like Darfur and Kordofan then brought into Sudan and Egypt. During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing their sexual organs off, stuck a bamboo catheter into the genital area, then submerged them in neck high sand to burn in sun for a few days. The recovery rate was ten percent. The resulting eunuchs fetched large profits in contrast to eunuchs from other areas.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
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Rajah and Sunnah Hero,
The mere fact that Europeans practiced barbaric slavery does not disprove the fact that it is incompatible with the Christian lifestyle. No wonder the Roman Catholic Church first declared slavery a herecy in the 1400s and the major figures in the abolition movement were Christians like William Wilberforce who argued that slavery was unchristian. Once the Western nations abolished slavery, the intercepted Arab/Muslim slave ships, evenptually using their power to pressure the Muslim world to abolish slavery.
Your statement makes me wonder if you have any empathy at all. Sociopaths have no problem with kidnapping people, selling them, raping them, etc. God teaches throughout the bible that you should have mercy and do to others as you would have them do unto you. Your first statement about mercy and your second statement referring to sex-slaves as cellphones (de-humanising them) are total contradictions. Your version of God sounds really mixed up about what he wants.....
I don't dehumanize anyone but you forget that the sexslave is owned by a master. If the master doesn't have sex with the slavegirls the slavegirls would seek prostitution is that what you want?... BTW i dont think people who have places like guantanamo are in a position to criticise the islamic solution for prisoners of war which is much superior. In islam a prisoner of war gets food clothes, a house to live in and sex. Do prisoners in guantanamo get that?
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What is there to wonder about sunna-hero He calls himself like troll, he acts like a troll, performs like a troll...
He must be laughing himself to death,people taking him seriously.
And We consider quraniyoon as trolls within the islamic society since they call themselves muslims when they are not. Quranists are looked down upon in the same way christians look at Jehovah's witnesses.
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And We consider quraniyoon as trolls within the islamic society since they call themselves muslims when they are not. Quranists are looked down upon in the same way christians look at Jehovah's witnesses.
So why would anyone take you seriously? You can't actually answer anything.
Who cares about the opinions of humans who rely on other humans to call them "Muslims"?
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I don't dehumanize anyone but you forget that the sexslave is owned by a master. If the master doesn't have sex with the slavegirls the slavegirls would seek prostitution is that what you want?... BTW i dont think people who have places like guantanamo are in a position to criticise the islamic solution for prisoners of war which is much superior. In islam a prisoner of war gets food clothes, a house to live in and sex. Do prisoners in guantanamo get that?
You did. You referred to a sex-slave as a cell phone. And who says I am a Westerner? Guantanamo has nothing to do with me.
It is not true that they would seek prostitution. There are many single women who do not seek prostitution. Most prostitutes are in it for the money.
In islam a prisoner of war gets food clothes, a house to live in and sex.
Then, why did the Muslim slave traders discourage marriage and catrate black slaves? Why were women taken as prisoners of war since in most cases they did not fight; the men did.
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You did. You referred to a sex-slave as a cell phone. And who says I am a Westerner? Guantanamo has nothing to do with me.
It is not true that they would seek prostitution. There are many single women who do not seek prostitution. Most prostitutes are in it for the money.
Then, why did the Muslim slave traders discourage marriage and catrate black slaves? Why were women taken as prisoners of war since in most cases they did not fight; the men did.
You are right. Prisoners of war here does not mean actual fighters. These were raids made on communities. You are right. Its kind of sad that we have Muslims try to defend what the clerics themselves know that it can not be defended. Thats why they avoid this topic.
Soon we will get into the child marriage and our Sunni friend will be defended that also. All because he can not question what his sect teaches.