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    Layth
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    Peace Bender,

    It is adressing the inhabitant(s) of Hell who is destined to punishment/torture.

    The phrase "surely you are the nobe, the generous" comes across as sarcasm.

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      Bigmo
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      Peace Bender,

      It is adressing the inhabitant(s) of Hell who is destined to punishment/torture.

      The phrase "surely you are the nobe, the generous" comes across as sarcasm.

      Thats my reading of it too.

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        Student_of_Allah
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        Shalom Alaikhom,

        Sometimes I come across people that are so arrogant and drunk with their delusion of self righteousness that they claim to be better than you for reasons such as "they having a beard", "they wearing arab clothes", "they eating dates",etc. You can point out the world problems such as poverty,climate issues injustice etc, but they are not concerned with that. For as long as they keep on eating dates while having their beard on their faces, they think they are doing righteous deeds. You can end your life trying to bring good sanitation to poor people, giving them safe toilets ,etc...... these people don't appreciate that. They are only concerned with wiping back side with odd number of stones after you shit, since that is what Noble messenger supposedly focused on !!

        Ok...now I am losing my temper....I must stop here.

        Peace
        ----------- Student of Allah

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          mmkhan
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          Peace Bender,

          It is adressing the inhabitant(s) of Hell who is destined to punishment/torture.

          The phrase "surely you are the nobe, the generous" comes across as sarcasm.

          Salaam,

          I understand the same as Layth handshake

          May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
          mmKhan

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            Bender
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            Salaam,

            Thank you all for your thoughts.
            But I believe SoA's understanding is the correct one, stupid of me that I couldn't see that the verse is talking about beards, arab clothes and eating dates D

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              Mazhar
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              I don't understand 4449

              4443 Surely, the tree of Bitterness,
              4444 Will be the food for the sinful.
              4445 Like hot oil, it will boil in the bellies.
              4446 Like the boiling of liquid.
              4447 Take him and throw him into the midst of Hell.
              4448 Then pour upon his head the retribution of boiling liquid.
              4449 Taste this; surely you are the noble, the generous!
              4450 Surely, this is what you used to doubt!

              who is the noble, the generous (Al-Aziez Al-Kariem)?
              I don't know how to understand this.
              Anyone any thoughts?

              Which word in Arabix text is for "the noble, the generous"?

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                Bender
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                Which word in Arabix text is for "the noble, the generous"?

                Salaam Mazhar,

                Thank you for pointing this out. I just copy-patsed the FM translation. The thing was that in most of times "Al Aziez" and "Al Kariem" are reffering to titles of Allah, I found it strange that the same titles in this verse were used for the people of "Al Zjaheem".

                But you are right I believe also that this is not a correct translation.

                In 1230 we see the title "Al Aziez" is used for the husband of the wife who wanted to seduce Jusuf.
                later in 1278 I believe the title "Al Aziez" is used by the brothers of Jusuf to adress Jusuf. I believe this title is given to someone who is a guardian/controller over something. I believe Jusuf got this title after 1255 I think this verse (1255) explains very well what Al-Aziez means. Thus I don't agree that "Al-Aziez" = "The Noble"

                Also I think that "Al-Kariem" doesn't mean "The Generous".
                How can The Arsh be generous??? 23116
                If we look at more verses where the root of this word is used like 267
                or 2729
                Then it's for sure that "Al-Kariem" doesn't mean "The Generous". I am not sure but I think it must be translated in something like "honourable or very nice" or something like that.

                I am sorry if that was not your point you wanted to make. Anyhow I really like to know how you would translate those words.
                And if that was not your point then please clarify what you meant.

                Salaam,
                Bender

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                  Bender
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                  I believe the title "Al Aziez" is used by the brothers of Jusuf to adress Jusuf.

                  I don't believe now, i know for sure now D
                  please read 1288 - 90 D

                  salaam,
                  Bender

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                    Mazhar
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                    "You taste it. You are indeed the Excellency Magnificent King/Monarch".

                    I have posted an article about it.

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                      Bender
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                      "You taste it. You are indeed the Excellency Magnificent King/Monarch".

                      I have posted an article about it.

                      Salaam,

                      thank you, inshaAllah I will do my best to understand it

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