Is the following fight in an Islamic spirit?
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The important thing here is a person should change his environment and accept God's timing. Its never easy to do since its hard for humans to have patience and perseverence. But its a must for a believer. There is no way out of it. Ervin obviously wants to move on in life and he has every right to do so. He spend his time and now he wants to move on. But patience is a must or he will make things worse. One of my favorite lectures about patience and perseverence is by this Christian preacher.
Pastor Dennis Smith. Its about 30 minutes but very insightful. He explains how even Jesus wanted to give up. Its titled appropriately "The faith struggle".
http//www.your-church.com/sermon-faith-struggle.php
This is an example of something that all believers hate to hear but have to face nevertheless.
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Peace all,
I think he is remorseful..
He didn't justify it. He was just describing the circumstances and his thought process at the time.This is what he told me before he posted this..
"I don't know wheter she tried to rip me of or not but I raped her, money was just an excuse. You don't do something like that unless you are ready for something like that."
So I don't know if its the tone of this post here but he is not making excuses it just appears that way.
Thanks
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It's what he wrote, no tone involved here. Simple fact of the matter is one deals with the consequences when we make our choices. The way we deal with them is another choice, we should make sure it's the right one. The OP doesn't need to 'throw off the oppressive shackles' to help a kid in mortal danger. What exactly did he achieve by telling the ones in charge of the case that he wouldn't comply is beyond me. It's making an unwise statement that is counterproductive to his claims of 'hey guys trust me'.
Frankly, I don't think this is a case of trust/sincerity or whether or not someone believes him...it's a case of living with the consequences and making the right choices now.
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I hear people mentioning "pedophile, pedophile". Sincerely, go learn what the word means.
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Laws are made for general cases. In this case the cutoff is 18 years, they will enforce those laws not make exceptions.
Salaam,
But for who is this cutoff?
Lets take a girl who is 17 years.
Then how old must the boy/man has to be for not breaking the law? Is there also some cutoff for the other gender?
I mean I think it's not against the law in the land where Ervin lives to have sex under the age of 18, as I am sure that there are teenagers over there who have sex. So at what age is it a crime to ask a 17 years old girl for sex? -
This is a discussion that has been going on for quite some time actually. Mutual underage sex and sex between someone who's under the legal age and one who's over. The issue is, closer the ages are in the latter case, it becomes murky. The more the difference the clearer it is. What's the alternative? Not having ages, rather have it based on calculating the trauma/harm inflicted/case by case? That has it's own sets of issues so they took the route of a legal age barrier.
The cutoff is for penalising those that try to have sex with those under the legal age, doesn't matter if you're 18 or 40. Some would argue that's not right, an 18 year old should be able to have mutual sex with someone who's 17, it doesn't matter so on and so forth and in almost all cases like this no one really cares. But if it's reported it's a legal issue. Many laws are like this, people get away with stuff unless it's reported. The moral most people take from this is to be careful I guess.
Since there isn't a clear alternative that most people can put forward, it is what it is and one just needs to make their peace with it or contest it with their reasoning and see if there can be a change that's better than how it is currently and if the pro's/cons balance out.
Peace.
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elektro
242 The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them with one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity overtake you regarding the system of God if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
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elektro
242 The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them with one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity overtake you regarding the system of God if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
http//azarius.net/media//images/news/20111026-judge.jpg
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hi Kaiokenred,
what do you mean?
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I don't know if I have got it wrong, but it seems that Ervin has already taken the step we are discussing, so whatever he should have done or should not have done is already past.
I still think he has pondered and thought out enough on this step and weihgted it consequences.
I encourage him to be brave and no matter what do the best he is capable of, and trust God, and work for the good person he is and the better person he aims to be.
I suppose some legal battle lies ahead and some of the suggestions made here about changing the law are part of it, I don't know.
I pray por him to be a faithful servant of Allah throughout and think only of his duty to Him.
Salaam
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Peace.
In Australia where I live, specificaly in Melbourne Victoria the age of consent is 16 years old. So legally I am not a convicted pedophile. An adult of 18 years or older can have consentual sex with a person thats 16 years or above.People who are known as an adult sex offenders get put on aregistar that treats them as pedophiles. There is only one sex ofenders reister, same for wheter you have ofended against 6 year olds or 35 year olds wich to me doesn't make sense.
And I wasn't rationalising my crimes. I was telling you a story of how it hapened, thats all. You brothers and sisters have sugested that I am rationilising wich tells me that YOU THINK it can be ratiniliosed what I have done.
When I was in prison I had pedophile friends and if I go to prison again I won't discriminate against the because I am not a vigilante coward like Daren Hinch who just goes with the popular opinion.
Anyway, You believe and do what you do.
Thanks everyone who hasen't judged me for what I USED TO BE. For what I am not any more. To those who feel that vigilante aproach is waranted I feel sory for you.
Thanks
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=klsaqDe5jis
Hi Ervin,
man chill down... I just want to help you.
I kiss u baby boy.GOD KNOWS BEST!
sun
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People who are known as an adult sex offenders get put on aregistar that treats them as pedophiles. There is only one sex ofenders reister, same for wheter you have ofended against 6 year olds or 35 year olds wich to me doesn't make sense.
There should be a demarcation between underage and over. If not, if someone is interested in the history employers etc, the details should be available if there is only one registry so that discrimination that exists in certain areas/jobs etc is done away with.nd I wasn't rationalising my crimes. I was telling you a story of how it hapened, thats all. You brothers and sisters have sugested that I am rationilising wich tells me that YOU THINK it can be ratiniliosed what I have done.
rationalisation - the cognitive process of making something seem consistent with or based on reason. Actions normally have rationality behind them, one doesn't just do things out of the blue. Your explanation of 'how it happened' is a classic example. It is what it is.When I was in prison I had pedophile friends and if I go to prison again I won't discriminate against the because I am not a vigilante coward like Daren Hinch who just goes with the popular opinion.
Good luck with that.Thanks everyone who hasen't judged me for what I USED TO BE. For what I am not any more.
Only favourable judgements allowed then. Thanks for letting us know. Of course, since the 'rationale' for this thread is just 'support' after all.To those who feel that vigilante aproach is waranted I feel sory for you.
What vigilante approach are you on about? If there is ONLY ONE registry and the details available on it are that the guy raped an 18 year old (yes legal) and if he was living in my neighbourhood...I'd be overly cautious (can't stress this enough) about my teen daughter and her friends. If the details available said he had sex with a 6 year old, I'd probably pack up and leave thinking of my younger kids. That's the truth of the matter. That's how parents act and it has a solid rationale behind it.There's a reason why they are put in a registry (the one or multiple doesn't factor here as it's a tangential discussion given that details should be available in either case) the fear of multiple offenses. It's all very well to state someone's 'intentions/sincerity/reform", at the end of the day, it doesn't mean anything because multiple offenses tend to happen again and again. That's the reality. Sure it could be a first time offense from someone not on a 'registry' that does one in at the end of the day...but it is a fact that criminal behaviour once unleashed doesn't just go away quietly in a lot of cases.
There is something insidious about sexual crime, that isn't present in a mugging and/or being beaten up for example. It leaves a mark that doesn't go away easily probably because the trauma inflicted is very much internal. Something the victim has to live with for the rest of their lives knowing that it was inflicted on them by the actions of someone else. It is very serious in short if we were to be categorising different crimes. It's hard to tangibly quantify it because the harm isn't something that can be easily appraised. This may lead to an acute unawareness of just how bad it may be in terms of trauma inflicted.
Keep the bigger picture in mind, this isn't just about one person...it's about a whole lot more. This isn't about a person's sincerity because people have been known to revert. It's about knowing what people are capable of and other's having the right to protect themselves and those that can't do it on their own.
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Peace.
And I wasn't rationalising my crimes. I was telling you a story of how it hapened, thats all. You brothers and sisters have sugested that I am rationilising wich tells me that YOU THINK it can be ratiniliosed what I have done.
Let's assume for argument's sake that you weren't rationalizing it. Why go around telling people your motive at the time? Who cares? What is the point of that, at all? You don't commit a crime and then re-enact your thoughts at the time, UNPROVOKED, if you are truly sorry. You act remorseful, not 'meh i thought she deserved it at the time, NOT NOW THOUGH, but I will just let you know about these thoughts of god knows how long ago, just in case you were wondering'. You also don't word it in a way that makes HER the victim when you were the aggressor.
When I was in prison I had pedophile friends and if I go to prison again I won't discriminate against the because I am not a vigilante coward like Daren Hinch who just goes with the popular opinion.
What is a vigilante coward?
So you won't judge pedophiles and happily befriend them (which shows a lot about your character, tbh), but not Daren Hinch (who admitted to committing an act of pedophilia) ? Aren't you the one discriminating?To those who feel that vigilante aproach is waranted I feel sory for you.
Really? Stop playing the victim. You are not the victim. You have never been the victim. You have been the aggressor. If this was one time thing where you made a mistake, once, sure you could play the 'one time mistake' card. But you have repeatedly committed violent acts, acts that make you a danger to society. I am sorry, that's the way of the world. All these people who come in here support of you would really allow you around their kids? A man that has admitted to a) raping a prostitute b ) soliciting RANDOM 17-year-olds for sex c) assault d) breaking and entering e) plus, possibly more! Okay, no, no, you have 'changed', I shouldn't forget that part. But you still have UNDERAGE people on your facebook! Why would a person whose name is on a registrar do something that stupid? Oh right, you don't want to comply because you want to rebel against 'the man'. Textbook example of those who manufacture imaginary enemies to 'rationalize' their own previous actions. If you are not "discriminated"against, the past will just go away, won't it?
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No one has used the word "pedophile" anywhere. Are you on the right planet?
Someone did mention it in the second page, but looks like I misunderstood
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Peace.
In Australia where I live, specificaly in Melbourne Victoria the age of consent is 16 years old. So legally I am not a convicted pedophile. An adult of 18 years or older can have consentual sex with a person thats 16 years or above.People who are known as an adult sex offenders get put on aregistar that treats them as pedophiles. There is only one sex ofenders reister, same for wheter you have ofended against 6 year olds or 35 year olds wich to me doesn't make sense.
And I wasn't rationalising my crimes. I was telling you a story of how it hapened, thats all. You brothers and sisters have sugested that I am rationilising wich tells me that YOU THINK it can be ratiniliosed what I have done.
When I was in prison I had pedophile friends and if I go to prison again I won't discriminate against the because I am not a vigilante coward like Daren Hinch who just goes with the popular opinion.
Anyway, You believe and do what you do.
Thanks everyone who hasen't judged me for what I USED TO BE. For what I am not any more. To those who feel that vigilante aproach is waranted I feel sory for you.
Thanks
But it totally doesn't matter what the laws are wherever you live. Those laws are totally man-made, thus stupid and non-divine. Punishing someone ( and who gave people the right to punish each other for stuff like that in the first place ) for asking a 17 year old girl, who, unless is very unique, does have the mental and physical maturity for sex, age doesn't matter, but then again, the majority is stupid.
@Nurmuhammed, he didn't do adultry.
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Those laws are actually based on strong statistical evidence. While they are not divine, they are not exactly arbitrary, either.
But it totally doesn't matter what the laws are wherever you live. Those laws are totally man-made, thus stupid and non-divine. Punishing someone ( and who gave people the right to punish each other for stuff like that in the first place ) for asking a 17 year old girl, who, unless is very unique, does have the mental and physical maturity for sex, age doesn't matter, but then again, the majority is stupid.
@Nurmuhammed, he didn't do adultry.
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Those laws are actually based on strong statistical evidence. While they are not divine, they are not exactly arbitrary, either.
No, it's not at all. It doesn't even make sense. A 17 year old doesn't differ to much from a 18, yet you would be put to jail even if she was a month younger, just because man-made laws say so. What you're doing is taking humans as your lord, agreeing with their awful methods that are just a lie for greedy people to lead the world. Did Allah say you can't have sex with let's say, a 16 year old? Or even a 15? They have a lot of lust and their body becomes able to seduce men for a reason. Yet man goes and say they need to be 18 for blah blah blah stupid reasons. It's just not right. They are so by Nature, and that's why the Natural Law with the guidance of Allah is the only right law there is.