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Is the following fight in an Islamic spirit?

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    AlFajr
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    Peace all,
    I guess we can only see what the judge thinks now. And Ervin has got his answers. I believe he should be admired for putting his trust in God.

    4238 And those who have responded to their Lord, and they hold the salat, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give.

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      savage_carrot
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      Then you're thinking wrong. Have fun serving the government.

      Do you even have an argument here? Or do these irrelevant statements serve a purpose beyond the evident?

      Peace all,
      I guess we can only see what the judge thinks now. And Ervin has got his answers. I believe he should be admired for putting his trust in God.

      Yep, lets look on the bright side of life.


      What bothers me on this here thread besides the obvious is the whole look for what we think is best in a pile of trash attitude deliberately ignoring everything else in the heap. The mollycoddling approach whilst walking on eggshells because if there's a confrontation and we are perceived as having 'annoyed' the person asking for 'help and support', we are the worst type of people and must ask forgiveness from God for this 'grave sin'. Like we are dealing with children rather than with adults. The way we turn a blind eye to normally weird and offensive statements (they never happened, must've been a misunderstanding, lost in translation, didn't mean it really, even though they repeat and up the ante with each successive post) and continue with the big happy family mindset.

      This is a forum for discussion, when something is put up for discussion voluntarily, you will have ALL sorts of opinions on it. The good, the bad and the ugly depending on perspective. I wouldn't want an imposition on the types of responses. This is how we learn, from criticism and from 'support', if we want to. It shouldn't be restricted to 'well, i'd only like to see x type of responses because I think that's really nice n goodly'. Of course, if someone wants to see only a certain type of response, should be clarified from the start, so that we know what the hot buttons are. And whether or not to push them.

      As far as the OP and his plight goes

      Good luck!
      Sincerely,
      From a 'non believer'/materialist/atheist/evil west type person who wants to live a comfortable life pandering to Satan'.

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        Jack
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        Then you're thinking wrong. Have fun serving the government.

        Correction. You are not thinking at all. You repeatedly commit logical fallacies. Has nothing to do with the government and you know it. Stick to the topic and actually respond to the arguments. If you don't actually have a logical argument, as you you have demonstrated repeatedly, quit wasting our time. The trolling act was cute at first, now its just tiresome and bland.

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          Kaiokenred
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          Correction. You are not thinking at all. You repeatedly commit logical fallacies. Has nothing to do with the government and you know it. Stick to the topic and actually respond to the arguments. If you don't actually have a logical argument, as you you have demonstrated repeatedly, quit wasting our time. The trolling act was cute at first, now its just tiresome and bland.

          1. I am thinking, more than you it seems. 2. Which ones? 3. Yes it does 4. Fine with that 4. Nope 5. What trolling?
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            Jack
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            1. I am thinking, more than you it seems. 2. Which ones? 3. Yes it does 4. Fine with that 4. Nope 5. What trolling?

            2. Nope. See 2.

            3. Repeatedly false dichotomy; also known as black or white and either/or fallacy.

            4. Cherry picking quotes and not responding to actual stated arguments. Don't feel alone, though. You are not the only one.

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              Kaiokenred
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              1. Nope. See 2.

              2. Repeatedly false dichotomy; also known as black or white and either/or fallacy.

              3. Cherry picking quotes and not responding to actual stated arguments. Don't feel alone, though. You are not the only one.

              What? Are you sure you were thinking about my post when replying to me for the first time? I am a little off-topic, but what I said was right though.

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                muslim1984
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                Salam bro Ervin,
                I admire you brother for beating drugs, violence, sexual temptations, schizophrenia and probably many other negative character traits of yours with the help of Allah, i understand how hard that must have been.
                This is what i got from your story regarding the prostitute
                You made a contract with a Prostitute to exchange money for sex. You kept your end of the bargain, she did not. Then you forcefully took what you paid for. You then got imprisoned for that. Did she pay back your money? or get punished for fraud?
                You then repented and reformed after being punished for your wrongdoing, while she was ripping people off, polluting the society, spreading fatal deseases and breaking famillies and from what you are saying she still doing it.
                Keep on repenting for your wrongdoings to Allah alone, carry on with your fight, if you are right, then Allah will most certainly help you.
                Peace

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                  Jack
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                  Peace all,
                  I guess we can only see what the judge thinks now. And Ervin has got his answers. I believe he should be admired for putting his trust in God.

                  Yes, and admired for labeling all those who don't blindly support him as atheist, satan loving, kaafirs. This would be a trait of a self absorbed, egomaniac. There is only right way his way. What does the quran say about ego again?
                  Because, as we all know this is what True Muslims TM do. Somebody disagree with you? Just call them kaafirs.

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                    morninglight
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                    Peace, Brother Ervin.

                    Compliance with the requirements of the Registry and Community Treatment Order should make no noteworthy interference with your enjoyment of your life and freedoms. You have indicated nothing oppressive nor even difficult about the requirements. It should all simplify your life.

                    There is no good reason for you to be socializing, even "virtually" socializing, with any youngsters. Your contact with youngsters is not essential to your well-being, nor to theirs. You should refuse babysitting requests. If you see youngsters alone and in distress, you can and should call for emergency services responders to assist them.

                    As savage_carrot and MaverickMonotheist have pointed out, there is a high rate of recidivism among sex offenders.

                    As you yourself have acknowledged, after several relapses of your sickness, your statistical chance of being cured of schizophrenia is so extremely unlikely that we can fairly agree that recovery would be miraculous.

                    Your "fight" is a demand that the Officials and Doctors concerned with your case should put at stake the well-being and safety of others in betting that yours is a miraculous case. That is a long shot bet against much needless trouble and suffering at stake. Your "fight" is unreasonable. If you do not recognize this from even these simple terms, your judgment is seriously impaired.

                    Needless to say, your conscientious compliance with the Registry and Community Treatment Order requirements would be the safest bet for all concerned. Agreeable compliance would be better for you. It should make your life simpler. It should keep you out of trouble. It should keep you out of the Hospital. It should keep you out of Prison.

                    There are all manner of disabling afflictions that necessarily limit people's options. Nobody would choose those conditions. Mysterious and frustrating as they can be, God assigns them as individual tests. Whatever our difficulties, God has given us assurance that no soul will be burdened beyond its ability to bear.

                    peace

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                      Ervin
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                      Jack, You are only leading your self to evil by your anger. When I posted a few angry messages I was trying to quit cofee and a lots of you attacked me. By the way I succeded in quiting coffee. The only reason I could not quit coffee in the past is because of the drugs they are forcing me to take. When ever I have been sick I was not dangerous. It was only while on drugs. If I was to take drugs now it wouldn't make diference wether or not I am on pharmaceuticals. You put faith in prescription drugs all the way and not on God then you will end up a prescription drug adict.

                      Right now I am not angry at Jack or anyone else in the world. I reject anger as an evil emotion. Even justice when taken to far becomes evil.

                      I send love to all of you especially those who I have argued with. If you still want to think that I am egomaniac who doesn't deserve forgiveness then go ahead, but I don't think thats the truth.

                      You see, I have pleaded quilty and I have been to prison for it. But the registar I reject in obeying any longer because the registar is going a bit to far.

                      Anyway, check on my new belief, it called Omnism

                      http//omnism.com/om/home.htm

                      Thanks

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                        Ervin
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                        Yesterday, while reading A New Earth again I realised that I should accept and surender whenever I can so I sent an email to the detective who is my case manager and I told him that I will comply with the register. I believe in Eckharts teachings and its about time I start practising them.

                        I like all of Eckhart Tolles books very much and he is I believe corect in saying that if you fight and win for instance the fight would just move to something else. I agree that you shouldnt resist wherever you can, since what you resist persists. Ifcourse you can say no and sometimes even walk out but like Eckhart says let it be a non reactive no for instance.

                        Thoughts

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                          AlFajr
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                          Peace Ervin,
                          Eckhart's opinion is just like anyone elses. You read and considered it good advice (I am not disagreeing with it either). However I wouldn't go so far as to say you should accept and surrender in every situation.

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                            Ervin
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                            I thought I might go a bit into my last experience of God.Last time I felt strong presence/fomunication with God was about three to two weeks ago. It was the most beautiful experience I had in my life and at the same time the"devil/demons" where playing mind games with me it didnt bother me at all.
                            God felt like peace, light, love, truth, gentlness, someone who wouldnt burn anyone in eternal hell. It was wanderfull. It was just someone you can totally trust with everything. Just a memory of that experience is enough to make me calm, forgiving, compassionate, loving, kind, reasonable, good.
                            It was as I could see God but I wasnt seing things. Gods presence was felt as if he was everywhere.
                            Thats what I felt.

                            Thanks

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                              Ervin
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                              Peace and harmony to you All. I agree with you that we shouldnt surender to everything always. For instance if someone tries really hard to sell you drugs then I sincierly think that we should resist his will. If someone asks you to do evil, well then we should resist it if we want to be with God in next life or whenever that might be.
                              But wr should accept whatever the situation that we are in and try not to get angry and upset if its not a very good situation that we are in.
                              Sometimes we might need to protect ourselves and others from eome people and thats good if we do so but we shouldnt fall for the thing where we are trying to eradicate evil because we can end up doing bad.

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                                Confused
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                                I think you are making a mistake Ervin. You committed a crime and you've now cleaned up your life and now living the straight life, do you want to go back to prison? Because this is what will happen to you if you violate your parole conditions. If these restrictions bother you now, then imagine how restricted your life will be if you are back in jail.
                                The conditions you have to live with are tough, but they are much better than being in jail.

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                                  Ervin
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                                  Hi everyone. I feel fine now. I don't wallow in fear or guilt any more. To think that you are superior or inferior is the sing of the so called ego. Yes I have to tel police stuff and I do have a record, etc, etc but its all ok. My past doesn't bother me any more nor does my present.

                                  Conscience is to be followed if you want a way to the Source. Wallowing in Guilty conciense is useless, what for. I do want to go with the Source of everything by the way.

                                  Thanks

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