"Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
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Serious readers of Qur'aan will not take it as joke. Allah, the Exalted addresses them with Particle of Address. Qur'aan is perpetuated and will remain till Last Day. So Bani Israel is going to exist till the last day, nothwithstanding what they keep doing in the Earth. Let them "enjoy" for a while
?And bani Israil today are those nice people ruled by zionnism? Very, very, very, very funny.
Sorry, I confirm what I said I cannot take you seriously after this.
This question has been discussed at length many times. In this and in hundreds other forums. For somebody to carry on with this kind of pretending on the matter for me is quite revealing. This is not in service of understanding the Qur'an but in the service of the colonization of the Qur'an infiltrating into it questions which have no place in it. Real estate religion.
What would it be for you to promote such nonsense? per chance a question of DNA?, and when have you done the dna of the bani Israil of the times alluded to in the Qur'an and those purported specimens for which you make it your job to secur today the collaboration of the real estate god. It seems to me that you really must have lost your marbles to invest your "intellect" in this preposterous travesti.
Salaam
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As-Salaam Alaikum,
I had forgot that I had posted in this thread previously.
Just to add a few more of my thoughts....the true Bani Israel IMO is the African diaspora. There is evidence. For starters, what we know as the "ten commandments" actually come from a larger group of "laws" or more accurately sayings often called the 42 Confessions of Maat from Ancient Kemet (Egypt).
Ethiopia was the birth place of mankind, known in Ancient times as Sheba. Sheba consisted of modern day countries Ethiopia, Somolia, Southern Sudan, Uganda, Kenya and Yemen. It was this culture that mirgrated up the Nile and formed Kemet (Ancient Egypt and Northern Sudan) and migrated West into greater Africa and migrated East all the way into Southern India. Essentially, Kemet, Sheba, Arabia, Sumer, and Southern India were all one culture, which would be understood as African today (but would not have been labeled as such in Ancient times due to Africa not even being a word, and the fact that the Ancients did not distiguish between races nor nationalities as we do today).
Many of Judaism's rites and rituals were practiced by Ancient Africans long before the first word of the Old Testament was written. These include
Circumcision (though not mentioned as an obligation in the Qur'an, it is in Judaism)
New Moon Celebrations + Lunar Calendar
Nazerite Vow and the growing of Dreadlocks
Stating "Amen" at the end of prayers, refering to the unknowable aspect of Allah
The creation of the Universe through "word sound" (in the Old Testament, Elohim speaks and things are created, in Qur'an, Allah says "Be" and it is)
Three prayers, one at sunrise, at true noon, and at sunsetAnd many more which can be researched.
Also, the Qur'an relates how Hajar was an Egyptian princess and mother of the Arabs, essentially making her African and therefore the Arabs decendants of Kemet and as such, Africans. Another thing that has to be remembered is that Anicent Judaism was not called or understood as such, but was rather Ancient Islam. That is why even the Ancient Kemet scriptures speak of Judgment Day, the weighing of the heart (the concept essentially the same as the weighing of good deeds vs. bad deeds), performing wudu before Salat, the seven levels of paradise, the Ka (which is the same as the modern Islamic concept of the Noor), and many more parrallels.
Judaism is simply a corrupted form of Ancient (Eternal/Pure) Islam after innovation had been added to it, much like how Hadith Sunni/Shia Islam is a corrupted form of Eternal/Pure Islam in the modern day. Pure Islam as taught in the Qur'an is the Pure Deen as practiced by the Ancient Egyptians, which in their time they called "Maat". To say that the Ancient Egyptians were polytheist is a error that is constantly repeated but polytheism did not rise until much later around the time of the New Kingdom (18th, 19th and 20th dynasties) when Kemet started coming under strong foreign influence, most notably Ancient Greece who were already polytheist. In reality, the people of Kemet were strict monotheist, even more so than many claim to be today. The divinities of Kemet which many refer to as gods and goddesses were not understood as such by the Ancients, they were merely depictions of the many attributes of the One, which even included depictions of the Divine Feminine aspects of the One (the Divine Feminine being something modern religions often ignore or oppress). The Greeks misunderstood these concepts and incorporated them into their own systems of many gods and goddessess. That is why today many call the divinities of Ancient Kemet gods and goddessess and claim that Acient Kemet were polytheist, it's because most Ancient Egyptian scholarship comes from the Greek point of view, rather than the point of view of the Egyptians themselves, which proves they only believed in the One.
I have a continuing blog on the subject of Ancient Islam being practiced in Ancient Kemet if anyone is interested I'll post the link. For now, check this out...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIO2OFwFy2o
NOTE This site should invest in having Youtube video tags!!!
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Ancient Islam being practiced in Ancient Kemet if anyone is interested I'll post the link.
Please do I am interested in the subject....But be ready onslaught of attacks. I often as Muslims didn't Islam exist before Muhammad? Wasn't he more of a reformer reminding the people we served Allah alone before come back to the path. Weren't the ancients more henotheistic than what could classified as polytheistic? I could go on and on but won't.
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Please do I am interested in the subject....But be ready onslaught of attacks. I often as Muslims didn't Islam exist before Muhammad? Wasn't he more of a reformer reminding the people we served Allah alone before come back to the path. Weren't the ancients more henotheistic than what could classified as polytheistic? I could go on and on but won't.
http//kemeticislam.blogspot.com/
^That is the link to my blog for all those who are interested.
On my blog I referrence the works of Moustafa Gaddalla a good amount of times. He is an Egyptian native and independent Egyptologist who presents the idea with substancial evidence that Ancient Egypt were montheist. I also suggest checking out his website and reading some of his works http//www.egypt-tehuti.org/
Islam has always existed. It is the eternal, natural law so therefore anyone following Islam is a Muslim, though as you said these actual titles did not exist until the advent of Muhammad (pbuh).
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Also, the Qur'an relates how Hajar was an Egyptian princess and mother of the Arabs, essentially making her African and therefore the Arabs decendants of Kemet and as such, Africans.
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Man, where did you get this from? There is ZERO mention of the name "Hagar" in the Quran. If you put all the Quranic verses mentioning Abraham, his wife, and his children together and study them, you will not arrive at any conclusive evidence that he even had two wives.
Ethiopia was not a part of Sheba per se.. However, there were many strong relations of trade and inter-culture between the two nations. This explains why the Ethiopian dialect is so similar to the ancient Yemeni dialect (from which the so-called "Hebrew" emerged).
Have you heard of the Kebra Nagast?
In case you haven't, it is an account written in the Ge'ez language and speaks of the origins of the Solomonic line of the Emperors of Ethiopia. The title means "Glory of Kings", and is one of the most outstanding pieces of literature ever to emerge from Ethiopia. It is considered by many Ethiopian Christians and Rastafarians to be an inspired and a reliable account.
The book is composed of many chapters (called "cylces". Among them is the Sheba-Menelik cycle, which speaks of how the Queen arrived to Ehiopia with her son, Menelik, as a REFUGEE from across the sea, and brought with her the Arch of the Covenent.
Which sea is it talking about? I think the geography is obvious...She and her son came from Yemen, and started the Solomonic line of Ethiopian kings. The Arch, which the Crusaders raised Jerusalem to the ground in the 11th Century in their search for, is believed to be hidden in a mountain somewhere in Ethiopia.
On my blog I referrence the works of Moustafa Gaddalla a good amount of times. He is an Egyptian native and independent Egyptologist who presents the idea with substancial evidence that Ancient Egypt were montheist. I also suggest checking out his website and reading some of his works http//www.egypt-tehuti.org/
I have also read the theory that ancient Egypt (Kemet) was a monotheistic country, and I have nothing against it.
At any rate, you might want to ask Mr. Gaddalla how the hell the title "Far'oun" became associated with that land... I think it's about time the Egyptians woke up and looekd at their history with their OWN eyes, rather than have others write it for them. They need to clear themselves from this false title of "Cursed Pharaos", because it has nothing to do with their culture.
Peace...
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As-Salaam Alaikum
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Man, where did you get this from? There is ZERO mention of the name "Hagar" in the Quran. If you put all the Quranic verses mentioning Abraham, his wife, and his children together and study them, you will not arrive at any conclusive evidence that he even had two wives.
Ethiopia was not a part of Sheba per se.. However, there were many strong relations of trade and inter-culture between the two nations. This explains why the Ethiopian dialect is so similar to the ancient Yemeni dialect (from which the so-called "Hebrew" emerged).
Have you heard of the Kebra Nagast?
In case you haven't, it is an account written in the Ge'ez language and speaks of the origins of the Solomonic line of the Emperors of Ethiopia. The title means "Glory of Kings", and is one of the most outstanding pieces of literature ever to emerge from Ethiopia. It is considered by many Ethiopian Christians and Rastafarians to be an inspired and a reliable account.
The book is composed of many chapters (called "cylces". Among them is the Sheba-Menelik cycle, which speaks of how the Queen arrived to Ehiopia with her son, Menelik, as a REFUGEE from across the sea, and brought with her the Arch of the Covenent.
Which sea is it talking about? I think the geography is obvious...She and her son came from Yemen, and started the Solomonic line of Ethiopian kings. The Arch, which the Crusaders raised Jerusalem to the ground in the 11th Century in their search for, is believed to be hidden in a mountain somewhere in Ethiopia.
I have also read the theory that ancient Egypt (Kemet) was a monotheistic country, and I have nothing against it.
At any rate, you might want to ask Mr. Gaddalla how the hell the title "Far'oun" became associated with that land... I think it's about time the Egyptians woke up and looekd at their history with their OWN eyes, rather than have others write it for them. They need to clear themselves from this false title of "Cursed Pharaos", because it has nothing to do with their culture.
Peace...
Hajar is not mentioned by name in the Qur'an but there is this ayat
"I have settled some of my family in a barren valley near your Sacred House." - al-Qur'an 1437
This ayat is understood to refer to Hajar and Ishmael (may peace be upon both) being settled in Mecca. This story is related in both the Bible and the Stories of the Prophets.
Brother I feel like I'm the one that should be asking you if you read the Kebra Nagast lol. The book specifically refers to Ethiopia being Sheba and I don't remember anything about the Queen and her son being a refugee.
As far as the Ark of the Covenant and Solomon is concerned, Ethiopians to this day still claim that the Ark is in Axum, and my personal beliefs is that the kingdom of David and Solomon was in fact Ancient Egypt.
Gadalla (and myself in my own words on my blog) explain that the Egyptian king actually acted more as a high priest rather than a tyrant. The term Pharoah didn't come into existance until around the time of the New Kingdom with the rise of Ankhenaten who indeed was a tyrant (though usually hailed as a monotheist, which is not true). The pharoah mentioned in the Qur'an couldin fact be Ankhenaten himself. Check out my blog when you get a chance, it explains all of that http//kemeticislam.blogspot.com
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The 'hebrew' alphabet IS a Phoenician alphabet..
Phoenician Alphabet.
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Phoenician_alphabet.svg/200px-Phoenician_alphabet.svg.pngAnd this is a photo of a stone in Los Lunas, New Mexico, USA which contains an inscription using the-so called "Paleo-Hebrew" alphabet which is actually "Phoenician" alphabet.
http//www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.jpg
What does it say? Well it's actually the "Ten Commandments"...
It shows how the collaboration of Phoenician's advanced seafaring techniques and 'those who has been given the ten commandment' (you can say it's "Israelites" managed to travel far and wide across the atlantic ocean.
SLM,
Very Interesting,
Where could i learn from this, in new Mexico !?
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There is some info (however not nearly as extensive) in Reza Aslan's "Cosmic War" (or "Beyond Fundamentalism" in paperback. A good read...is available on Kindle for fellow kindle users (I love my kindle by the way)
SLM,
Who is Reza ASLAN !?
What kind of "info" ...
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
Originated in the Levant?
Well allow me to say Sorry Jafar, but you are dead wrong.
Arabia is the source of all Semitic migrations. The so-called Phoenicians, originally came from the coast of the Red Sea, in South West Arabia, where they were sea-faring people. They migrated North to the Levant, and became sea-faring peoples of the Meditteranean.
Why don't you look at this "Phoenician" alphabet of yours, and pay close attention to the letters
aleph - ba- ja - da- ha- wa - z.....notice anything familiar??
It is the exact same as the Arabic alphabet, with the exception of 6 missing letters. You expect me to believe that these people magically "appeared" in the Levant and brought with them the SAME alphabet that was spoken as far south as Yemen?
Of course, the arrogant Lebanese, who think that God created them and then broke the mold, are always boasting about how their "ancestors", the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet. But the truth is, they invented NOTHING. The people of Sheba and Thamud had their own written alphabet since before 1500 BC.
You can check for yourself, a sample of a Sheban inscription unearthed near Hadaramawt (I wonder why "Hazaramaveth" is mentioned BY NAME in the Torah hmm). This carved block sits in the Louvre Museum, and is alone enough to expose Jafar's false beliefs.
SLM,
Is "sheba(n)", have some thing to do with th? Queen of Sheba & Salomon !?
And Yes, when "arabia" Will "open" to Archeologia .. It Will Be GR??T.
"some" says that mont "Sina?" is in "arabia" !!
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
Peace everyone peace
Hebrew and Aramaic are both sister language which have been historically both used by the Hebrew People.
Some of the Bible books were written in Aramaic, and there are some refrences to aramaic words in the Torah itself (e.g Laban, uncle of Jacob (who was from Paddan-aram) called the pile of stones Yegar- sahadutha (Aramaic) but Jacob called it Gal-Ed (Hebrew for "heap of witness".Also, the Quran Cites a Language used which is the tongue of David and Jesus. If you read David's Psalms, you will see that they are in Hebrew. Also, Jesus must have known some Aramaic, as some biblical books are again written in Aramaic, and also because it can be said that it was the lingua franca during that time period.
"Condemned are those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel, by the tongue of David and Jesus, the son of Mary. This is because they disobeyed and transgressed.(Quran 57
SLM,
Very Happy, "logo" & "words",
Full of "color" & "Hope",
Thank you, Sir !
Peace & Truth on Earth & above our "heads" -
@Noon dhe plume
Where did I contradict the Quran?
{And he who had bought him from MSR said to his wife "Make his stay generous, perhaps he will benefit us or we may take him as a son." And it was thus that We established Joseph in the land and to teach him the interpretation of the narrations. And Allah has full control over his situation, but most of the people do not know}...
Where was Joseph raised, and by whom?
{And the wife of Far3oun said "A pleasure to my eye and yours, so do not kill him, perhaps he will benefit us or we may take him as a son;" while they did not perceive}...
Who rescued Moses from the stream where his mother had first placed him?
{And the one who believed (from among Far3oun's people) said "O my people, I fear for you the same fate as the Day of the Opponents. * Like the fate of the people of Noah, Aad, and Thamud, and those after them. And Allah does not wish any injustice for the servants. * And, O my people, I fear for you the Day of mutual blaming * A Day when you will turn around and flee, you will have no protector besides Allah, and whomever Allah sends astray, then there is none who can guide him * And Joseph had come to you before with proofs, but you remained in doubt regarding what he came to you with, until when he died, you said Allah will not send any messenger after him. It is such that Allah sends astray he who is a transgressor, a doubter}...
Weren't Moses and joseph living in the same place?
Did I ever claim that Joseph and Moses where from among Far3oun's own people? Or did I simply say that they lived among them, ever since the time when their great ancestor, Abraham, had migrated to the region?
You can disrupt the thread as much as you want, but the least you can do is not put words in my mouth.
That article is stating that Far3oun's people, as well as Hagar, wife of Abraham before them, were MUSRI, not MISRI.
You have no idea just how close they have come to the truth. It's like they are hovering over the bullseye without hiting it.
Let's go on for now
- Homeland of the Israelites
The events described in the Old Testament never took place in Palestine. They took place in the Surat Country of south west Arabia, the mountainous and coastal region stretching from Asir down to Yemen. Hence, Bani Israel were an ancient Arabian tribe, and the creed of Judaism (associated with the the city of Sana'a - mentioned in the Old Testament by its ancestral name of "Uzal" and the Nasraniyya (associated with the city of Najran) were born among them, and then spread to other lands of the ancient world carried on the wings of the Semitic migrations.
The Quran distinguishes very clearly between the concept of ?Bani Israel? and the concept of ?Judaism?. The two are not synonymous, as the deluded occupants of Palestine and the vast majority of Muslims think. They seem to think that every Jew is an Israelite, and the opposite is also true every Israelite is a Jew. The Quran denies this claim completely, and differentiates between the Children of Israel, who were the descendants of a single man named ?Israel? (I am not 100% sure he was Jacob himself, because the Quran mentions him by name), and Judaism.
Bani Israel were a tribe.
And the ancient tribes of Arabia were very often named after the father of the tribe.
Examples
- Bani Umayya = the descendants of a man named Umayya.
- Bani Hashim = the descendants of a man named Hashim.
- Bani Qurayzha = the descendants of a man named Qurayzha
- Bani Abbas = the descendants of a man named Abbas.
- Bani Israel = the descendants of a man named Israel.
{Those are the ones whom Allah has blessed from among the prophets from the progeny of Adam, and those We carried with Noah, and from the progeny of Abraham and Israel, and from whom We have guided and chosen. When the revelations of the Almighty are recited to them, they fall down prostrating, and in tears}?
So as you can see, this man ?Israel? came shortly after the time of Abraham, which places him very close to Jacob and Isaac (chronologically speaking). And this man, along with many of his first progeny, lived and died many centuries before Judaism even appeared.
{Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Clans were Jewish or Nazarenes?" Say "Are you more knowledgeable or is Allah?" Who is more wicked than the one who conceals a testimony with him from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what you do}...
Now this may sound strange to many of you, but the Quran clearly says that the entire succession of prophets, starting from Noah and down to Muhamad (P) were ONE lineage. The Quran was recounting to Muhamad the story of his ancestors, who lived in the same geographical region as he did. Nowhere does the Quran associate between Bani Israel and Palestine. This is a great lie that has infiltrated the beliefs of the Muslims, who have deserted Allah's book and followed the lies of human shayateen.
The age-old presence of Bani Israel as well as Judaism in Arabia is clearly attested to in the ancient Arabic poetry. In fact, Judaism was the creed of the Yemeni kings of the Himyaritic Dynasty, ever since it was first established in the year 120 BC.
The ancient Isralites established, somewhere between the 10th Century B.C and the 8th Cnetury B.C, a small kingdom in the Surat Country. The word ?Surat? means the ?High land? or ?the Heights?, which includes the elevated plateau of ?Najd? as well as the mountainous range stretching from the Hijaz to the north, all the way to the ?elbow? of Yemen in the south. This region is the greenest and most fertile strip of land in all of Arabia, and contains many volcanic peaks which were active in the distant past. The most famous of these peaks are ?Umm al-Qimam? , ?al-Qari3a?, and ?3akwah?. In fact these volcanoes played a major role in the destruction of the people of Lot (whom the Quran mentions were very near to the Mother of Towns) as well as the People of the Elephant.
The Surat peaks are at their highest in Yemen, where they soar to over 3,500 meters. These mountains, the likes of which are not found anywhere in Palestine, match the geography of events in both the Torah and the Quran, concerning prophets David and Solomon. The highest peak in Arabia is ?Jabal al Nabi Shuaib? (Mountain of the Prophet Shuaib) in Yemen, which is 3,660 meters high.
The valleys of the Asir region have been also been known to harbor breeding grounds for locusts, up until not too long ago (So when you think of the Old Testament stories speaking of ?locusts? and ?famine? which plagued the land of the "Msrim", you know where to look).
Check out this link
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUDz6bLKtU8
It is a video of a locust swarm captured in Saudi Arabia.
Also, you might want to read the following article
http//www.emirates247.com/news/region/saudis-warned-against-eating-locusts-2011-02-09-1.353796
In fact, Saudi Arabia has witnessed more locust swarms in the last 50 years than all Arab countries combined!
The land of Asir (a large pportion of which was previously a part of Yemen), is the region that sees the most rain in all of Arabia, both in winter and in summer. It is a land known for its wooden mountains, on which trees of many varieties grow Junipers, Cedars, Acacia, Bramble (Seeneen / Seena'a) and Cyprus. Its mountain slopes have been made into stepped terraces used for planting and agriculture for ages untold, and are among the most fertile regions in the middle east. Figs, olives, dates, grapes, and a wide variety of seeds are grown there until today. The honey of Asir and Yemen is greatly prized globally, and considered one of the finest in the world. It is a land known for its rich resources of iron, gold, and copper, which were much more plentiful in the distant past (the age of David and Solomon).
If you think Arabia is all desert, you better think again, as you check out the following link
http//irhal.com/ar/forum/travel-1172.html
In case you can't read Arabic, I'll tell you what those photos are (from top to bottom)
1 - The city of Al-Taef
2 - Cliffs near Abha
3 - Wooded mountains of Asir
4 - Wooded vales of Asir
5 - More Mountains
6 - Mountain roads of Asir
7 - No title
8 - No titleAnd in case you are wondering why Allah, in the Quran, swears to Muhamad by the fig, the olive, and the bramble tree, now you know.
There, amid the mountain peaks and valleys stretching between Najran and Sana?a, was once a extravagant domain established by Solomon, the son of David, many of whose relics are scattered around the county-side, begging to be excavated. Later on, the Himyaritic Jewish Kings of Yemen established their kingdom in that same region. In fact, we can safely say that the few Jews who reside in Yemen today are the last remnants of this religion in the land of its birthplace.
The land of the Surat was also a region of great economic and political importance in the distant past, because of its location at the hub of the trade routes. It was a land of trade mediation, caravan service, as well as the source of two substances that were prized more than gold itself the legendary incense and myrrh of Yemen. So rich was this land that the Greek and Roman geographers labeled it ?Arabia Felix?, meaning ?Happy? or ?Fortunate? Arabia.
The Read Sea coast, as I will show you later on, was a spot over which the Egyptians and the Assyrians had fought many great wars. In fact, some Egyptian kings launched campaigns against the coastal region, and even delved deep into the Heart of Arabia, sacking the city of Najran on several occasions. (I will show you later the many ancient Egyptian ruins and relics in Arabia, which the Saudis have always been reluctant to uncover). The Assyrian and Babylonian campaigns, which we were deceived into believeing targeted Palestine, in fact targeted Arabia. Archeological evidence has been unearthed in theTaima'a, which showed that the city had been the winter capital for several Assyrian kings, and was the launching point of several campaings directed at the Red Sea coast (the "Tahama" of Asir and Yemen), to discipline the rebelious Arabian tribes. The Romans did the same, later on, as I will show you.
In contracst, there is ZERO archeological evidence of such wars ever having taken place over Palestine. The land of ancient Palestine has been proven to be a peripheral region of little or no importance to the great powers of the time. It was not until around 200 BC when Palestine became a significant spot.
Where was the original Temple of Solomon, for which the Zionists have been looking for for the past 80 years? Refer to the thread entitled ?The Search for Muhamad has Ended? and you will find out where the original Ur-Salem was.
This blessed land, whose history has been shrouded on purpose; hidden from the consciousness of the world, was the theater of the events surrounding a small tribe from among the many tribes of Asir. And this tribe whose name was "Bani Israel", had an experience, somewhere in the heights of Asir and its westen slopes and vales, and left behind a record of it. And this record can be found today in the five books of what is called ? by convention ? the Torah (Though this is not necessarily the correct name). This record was, at some point, very accurate and genuine, and documenyed the trials and tribulations that this tribe went through, as it underwent a transition from a life of goat-herding to a sedentary life of agriculture and trade, until the hands of corruption and forgery started to mess with it, beginning from the time of the Babylonian Exile.
Bani Israel were not aliens to Arabia, nor did they flee to it from the Levant, as the twisted and corrupted history tells us. They were among its original inhabitants. The science of archeology, which the Muslims loathe and despise, is just starting to prove this fact. And this can be confirmed from all that we know about anthropology as well (the study of human migrations and settlements), which teaches us that humans, by nature, often flocked to places that provided them with opportunities for agriculture, game, or trade, until they are forced to leave by an enemy or invading force.
So where did Bani Israel live originally?
The corrupted history that we have been taught and that we continue to teach our children in the universities of the East and West, tells us that Bani Israel were not originally from Arabia, but had migrated or escaped to it from Palestine. And this, according to them, explains the presence of Jews later on, (at the time of Muhamad), and their communities which were established in the cities of Najran, Khaybar, Yathrib, and Taima?a - cities which were no less than veritable oasises in Western Arabia. They also claim that the presence of Jews as far south as Yemen was because small bands of them had migrated to there as merchants during the time of Solomon! (They still insist that Solomon's kingdom was in Palestine, and that the trade relations between ancient Israel and Sheba dicatetd that many Jewish merchants move to Yemen!). And they have been propagating this crap for centuries, cloacked behind the statement of ?God Said So??. until modern archaelogy began to expose their lies.
If Bani Israel had originally migrated to Arabia as refugees, this would mean that in order for them to be established in the regions of fertility and water, in a peninsula whose area is 80% desert and dry land, they would have had to wage continuous wars against its original inhabitants and kick them out of such oasises. And this in fact never happened, nor is it mentioned anywhere in the history of the region.
Ban Israel lived in Yemen, Najran, Tayma?a, Khaybar, and other such oasises, in peace with the other inhabitants, and relied on agriculture and trade to make their living, after their ancestors, Jacob and Isaac were transformed from a life of goat herding, to a more sedentary life, thanks to the effort of Joseph who established them along the trade routes (as we saw in the ?Pharoah? thread). If the Isralites were refugees from Palestine, as our false history claims, they would never have been able to achieve all this success in a land whose inhabitants (the Arabs) were known for their love of raids, wars, and looting, and where water sources were more valuable than gold. The Arabs used to kill each other over such oasises...Do you think they would let a tribe of refugees, migrating from Palestine, simply stroll into the most fertile regions of their land, and settle there without even lifting a finger?
Please think and reflect on this...
Place like Najran, Tayma?a, Yathrib and Khaybar were among the most fertile oasies of Arabia. And the ancient Arabs were never known to simply relinquish such places to others. If Bani Israel came as refugees to Arabia from elsewhere, they would never have been able to settle in such places. They would have found nothing but harsh wilderness and deserts awaiting them, and they would have very likely been the target for raiders and looters. And even if we assumed that the Arabs accepted their presence as refugees ? for a while ? it is completely out of the question that they would have relinquished their scarce fertile regions to a bunch of foreigners.
What we are proposing here is something radically different than what we have always perceived as the unquestionable truth
Bani Israel were not refugees or migrates to Arabia. THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE FROM THE START. They originated there. And, throughout the years, they benefited from solid leadership and unshakable beliefs and principles, which made them very strong, and hence feared and respected by most other tribes. And in an environment as lawless and as harsh as Arabia, where no more than 20% of the total area is habitable, one must have been very strong indeed to maintain his wealth and his land, and to protect it from raiders and looters. So how did Bani Israel eventually achieve all the greatness that they had, if they were originally refugees? Was it through fighting wars with the Arabs to kick them out of their lands?
And the claim that the Israelites were spawned in Egypt, them moved to Palestine, then migrated to Yemen, is nothing but a ridiculous fantasy, whose aim was to hide the true identity of Bani Israel as no more than an Arabian tribe - albeit a special one - and to establish a racist creed claiming that the Israelites were a pure race, and superior to all others.
The time has come for us to change our perceptions and accept this truth, or we will be forever looking at our history through the eyes of others?the eyes of those corruptors and forgers who have turned our past upside down, dictating to us who we are and where we came from.
BANI ISRAEL WERE THE ANCESTORS OF MUHAMAD. And all the stories of the previous peoples and their prophets, related to us in the Quran, took place in Arabia, and nowhere else. And those LIARS who scattered the prophets to the lands of Egypt, Iraq and the Levant, and divided between father and son and between brother and brother, claiming that Isaac was the "father of the Israelites" and settled in Palestine, while Ismael was the father of the "savages" and settled in Arabia, should be all hanged by the you-know-what for their falsehoods, racism, and crimes against history and humanity.
Until we accept this truth, we will forever be lost in the desert of Jewish delusion and Zionist lies.
All the Semitic migration took place FROM Arabia, not TO Arabia. We have been looking at the picture upside down. It is time we turned it around and set it right. The ancient Arabian tribes migrated from Arabia, and moved northwards toward the Levant, Syria, and Mesopotamia. And the Israelites were no more than one of those many migrating tribes. Migration FROM Arabia is the correct direction of all ancient displacements of people, not the other way around. And this truth, which was often reiterated by the ancient Greek and Roman gegraphers and explorers, and very often ignored, has now been confirmed by modern anthropology.
And what was the first thing that migrating tribes or peoples did when they moved to new regions?
Answer They took with them the names of their original homeland - its towns, rivers, mountains, and valleys, and gave them to their new homelands. This process was known to the ancient Arabs as ?tayammun? (the word is derived from YUMN , which means to bring fortune or optimism).We will look next at this phenomenon of tayammun, where I will show you how many of the names of cities, mountains, and valleys in Syria, Jordan and Palestine were in fact Tayammuni names. The most prominent of these names was a city resting on a knoll in ancient Palestine, whose name was mentioned in the Psalms as "The Daughter of Jerusalem", and "The Daughter of Zion".
So, where was the original or "parent" of such places?
I think by now, you know where.
To Be Continued...
SLM,
FANTASTIK .. again
About what it could be understood from your mind by word's PZZ !
Thank you Very much, for that .
What could it means !!
That th? "jew" Were th? "Arabians" ?
I Would like to know ... About History and GO closer to "Truth" ... But !!!
TakesTime ... To be "certain" ... N?Code(s).
I hav? many questions to myShelf ... And for Others to answer with "peace&truth",
Could it be, nowadays...
Maybe i am wrong !!!
Who gav? th? name "arabia" ?
Who Were those geographers from GreekRoman ??
What could tell Us, th? land of "arabia" with archeo.. Logy&
What about SaLoMo(n) & She(i)B(v)a !??
Why "one" wants better .. Only th? truTruth could helpsUs .. Do you know
Only from one book only ... !?!
ManHand'sMind did nothing ??? Who did
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Love&Peace above (all) ours heads for Truth ... Could you (we)