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    Greatest-Truth
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    Ja mijn verhaal is te vinden in de introduce yourself forum )

    Maar uiteindlijk moeten we het heel simpel bekijken, ik bedoel als ik jou iets vertel and jij vertelt het door aan je zoon en jou zoon vertelt het aan zijn vriend en die vertelt het aan zijn zoon en dan iemand plaatst nog bepaalde dingen in de verhaal en dan iemand komt uit het niets en zegt weet je wat dit is wat Greatest-truth heeft gezegd paar honderd jaar later is beetje moelijk te geloven....

    Maar laat ik het simpel zeggen wat boeit het wat anderen denken over jou? Ik bedoel geloof is in principe tussen jou en God en niet tussen jou en paar anderen die hetzelfde geloven. Alles is al simpel uitgelegd in de Koran voor ons, elke regel dat je kan vinden in Hadiths dat zegt dit is Haram(verboden) is compleet tegen God, als God een regel wou toepassen dan had Hij dit in de koran aan ons vermeld niet aan paar mensen die niet eens Profeten zijn.

    Jij hebt tenminste je man die nog kritisch kijkt naar de Hadiths, het is heel belangerijk om bepaalde hadiths te vergelijken met de Koran. The Quran has all the answers you just have to figure out the questions. Ik zelf had zoveel twijfel over Islam in de begin omdat ik het niet compleet begreep and Christendom trok me heel erg aan, ik zelf ben ook in jou position geweest. Maar na lang onderzoek in christianity kwam ik achter dat de Bijbel ook een vorm van hadith is, dus ik stoote mezelf weer terug naar Islam.

    Elke keer als ik hadiths zag werd Islam duister voor mij, maar waneer ik kijk naar de Koran de licht word weer clear voor mij. Het is heel simpel, Gods word is de waarheid de rest is gewoon toepassing zodat deze warlords hun gemeenschap kunnen leiden net als blinde schapen.

    Het is heel moelijk om te bepalen welke hadiths echt, ik zelf geloof dat 94% gewoon vals zijn, de 6% zijn gewoon kwa bidden en simple dingen wat de profeet heeft gedaan, niet regels of iets dat tegen de koran gaat, de leven van de profeet is gebaseerd op de koran niet hadiths.

    Als je bvb 1 hadith hebt en je wilt weten of dit echt is moet je goed bestuderen van waar dit komt wie heeft het overgebracht, hoe vaak kan ik dit vinden, is deze hadith geacepteerd in andere sectes van Islam?(Shia & Sunni). En de meest belangerijkste is mag het wel volgens de Koran? Als het niet mag volgens de Koran dan kan je gewoon zeker van zijn dat dit vals is.

    En of er veel mensen net als ons zijn in NL weet ik niet zo zeker, of er bijeenkomsten zijn weet ik ook niet. Ik woon al 4 jaar in London dus ik ben niet zo zeker, er is een forum section called Events. Mischien dat je daar iets kan vinden.

    Sorry for the Dutch, i sincerly appolagize.

    Salaam

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      Greatest-Truth
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      en btw i denk nie echt dat je opnieuw een Shadah moet afleggen, the Shadah is meer een connection tussen jou en God, zolang jij bleef geloven dat Islam echt is hoeft het niet echt. God weet alles wat in ons hart is, wees niet bang twijfel is heel normaal, God verwacht van ons dat we twijfels hebben maar daarom hebben we the Quran. Als jij vind dat jij opnieuw de Shadah moet afleggen dan is het helemaal geen probleem God houd van mensen die hem herinneren, en altijd connected met God willen zijn. Als jij het prettiger vind dan moet je het gewoon doen, Ik denk niet dat God het fout zou vinden.

      salaam

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        Student_of_Allah
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        Shalom aleikhem,

        Welcome to Free-minds welcome

        Dont get emotional over it, your relationship with God should not be so weak that people's fabrications makes you feel the way you are saying you do. You should be atleast proud of what you know, you love God, you asked for His help, He help you escape the mental slavery of man made systems. Even in the hadith following crowd, there are sincere people that are looking for the straight path of God, it is our duty to share our findings wisely and politely. Let us stay united.

        Peace
        ---------------- Student of Allah

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          Ammehoela
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          Sallaam Aleykum,

          Thanks greatest truth for your answer! And also thanks to student of Allah for youre understanding words!

          I have send Bender en Abdillah some PM, but i can not see them in mijn SENT message. I dont know if the PM gets to you guys!? Lets hope so!

          Thanks everybody!

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            Student_of_Allah
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            Sallaam Aleykum,

            Thanks greatest truth for your answer! And also thanks to student of Allah for youre understanding words!

            I have send Bender en Abdillah some PM, but i can not see them in mijn SENT message. I dont know if the PM gets to you guys!? Lets hope so!

            Thanks everybody! )

            Shalom aleikhem,

            When you send a PM, you will notice at the botom there is a field "save a copy of this message". If you check that, a copy will be saved in your outbox.

            I hope that helps.

            PEACE
            -------------- Student of Allah

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              Emil
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              Muslims (I prefer to say believers in 1 God and the Day of Judgement) who reject hadith are very difficult to find. It seems like they're afraid to be killed and sitting under a stone, haha. The mainstream muslims i know, would say to me that i become a Kafir. That makes me so sad.
              So now. I am desperate. I lost myself and feel cheated by God. May God forgive me for these words! I believe so much in God, but I can not find the truth. In my heart, Islam is the truth, but not the hadith, all so-called scholars and name it. I believe in love, sacrifice, but also in mercy!

              Salaam sister

              I am not dutch but Swedish, so atleast we got tall people in common.....Reading your post makes me both sad and happy. Happy because one more have "woken up" and realized that God is all about love, fairness, mercy and balance. It is very difficult to see how one would need hadith in order to follow those simple messages. Sad because you are not right now content with God, which unfortunately will be the case for the rest of your life if you choose to walk the path by following the Quran. It is a paradox because the message is simple but very complicated to understand, but like they say, sometimes the simple solution is the one most difficult to find.....I think none will ever fully understand all of the guidance, it is a struggle that will continue until we depart from this earth. I have many times myself almost given up because once I think I know the answer it turns out I was completely wrong......It is funny you mention christianity as an option because I have on few occassions thought that their path seems so much simpler and they have alot more "freedom" than the muslim, I have gotten jealous confused

              Anyways, the reason why I am writing is to give you a hint about this kafir situation you got with the mainstream muslims. To understand why they are so fast at calling you a kafir you must first look at how you come across, and the fact is that as a follower of Quran Alone you remind them of kafirs. By that I mean they cannot see the difference between you and a born-muslim-but-not-such-a-strong-believer-in-God person. As a QA you look like one, act like one, smell like one Little do they know how much you believe in God, this they cannot see.
              Think about it, I don't want you to be sad being called a kafir.

              I only know of one other dutch person here, his name is Sunnah-Hero........but I wouldnt recommend talking to him, not yet atleast, maybe in a few years.....inshallah

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                mmkhan
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                Salaam,

                You are welcome to the forum.

                Don't you feel that you are alone, we all are here with you group and don't forget, Allah is with you all the time and wherever you go, so you are not at all alone

                May Allah bless you and guide us to His true path pr
                mmKhan

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                  Greatest-Truth
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                  No problem Ammehoela

                  Feel free to ask anything I will answer it as soon as possible )
                  Dont forget you are not alone

                  Salaam

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                    Ammehoela
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                    Salaam sister

                    I am not dutch but Swedish, so atleast we got tall people in common.....Reading your post makes me both sad and happy. Happy because one more have "woken up" and realized that God is all about love, fairness, mercy and balance. It is very difficult to see how one would need hadith in order to follow those simple messages. Sad because you are not right now content with God, which unfortunately will be the case for the rest of your life if you choose to walk the path by following the Quran. It is a paradox because the message is simple but very complicated to understand, but like they say, sometimes the simple solution is the one most difficult to find.....I think none will ever fully understand all of the guidance, it is a struggle that will continue until we depart from this earth. I have many times myself almost given up because once I think I know the answer it turns out I was completely wrong......It is funny you mention christianity as an option because I have on few occassions thought that their path seems so much simpler and they have alot more "freedom" than the muslim, I have gotten jealous confused

                    Anyways, the reason why I am writing is to give you a hint about this kafir situation you got with the mainstream muslims. To understand why they are so fast at calling you a kafir you must first look at how you come across, and the fact is that as a follower of Quran Alone you remind them of kafirs. By that I mean they cannot see the difference between you and a born-muslim-but-not-such-a-strong-believer-in-God person. As a QA you look like one, act like one, smell like one o Little do they know how much you believe in God, this they cannot see.
                    Think about it, I don't want you to be sad being called a kafir.

                    I only know of one other dutch person here, his name is Sunnah-Hero........but I wouldnt recommend talking to him, not yet atleast, maybe in a few years.....inshallah

                    Aleykum sallaam Emil,

                    Thanks for your nice words! I was a few days offline from here because i was verry busy. I feel good to hear that there are a lot other people like me with the same idea's about religion.

                    May God reward you for youre really nice words!

                    Lots of greetings Ammehoela )

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                      Ikrame
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                      Salaam sister,

                      Im from the netherlands as well. I know it s hard to be surrounded with people who don t think alike but I agree with Greatest Truth that faith is a personal matter and it's best to approach it that way because then it becomes easier to stand alone even if there are many like us offcourse as you can witness from this site. I personally think it's not worth it to belong if it means compromising the truth.
                      I hope the fear will dissapear inchaAllah and may Allah lead us and grant us wisdom.
                      Feel free to contact me by the way.

                      Good luck.

                      Peace peace

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                        youssef4342
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                        Hey there & peace be upon you as well )
                        Welcome to the form!

                        you can also connect through Facebook
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                        https//www.facebook.com/groups/310518545650653/
                        https//www.facebook.com/groups/HadithMeansTerrorism/
                        https//www.facebook.com/groups/quranology/

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