Does Allah really want anyone to know the true path???
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Hi Travelchild
I think I have almost the same thought as you.
But maybe its all starting long time back with the creation of man.
I think we are given our own free will. And God is not in control of that.When Moses got the ten commandment he also chashed them again. Did God knew that. I think that God is not in control of human behavoir. God can lead us to him, but we can chose to reject.
If we have in mind that man is interfering in his own world and God is not in total control here. Then everything can be corrupted by the influence by man himselves. Some would call it Satan.
The quesion is (like you brought forth). Why do God let his message get corrupted ?
In somehow God wont let the message be to clear. Cause if it was and people then didnt followed it. Then he had to kill all instantly. Because he could see that they was obvious against him. Now we are given a chance to chosse and have to acknowledge things ourselves.
I think the reason why God dintn?t really want to give a clear message is because we self must do something. 5.48..For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.Its also this way that the more God send down the more misagrement is comming. So in some way the words of God is not helping that much for all to go the same way. This is mentionetd in 2.213 ...The people used to be one nation, then God sent the prophets as bearers of good news and warners, and He sent down with them the Book with the truth so that they may judge between the people in what they were disputing. But after receiving the clarity, the people disputed in it due to animosity between them. And God guided those who believed with His permission regarding what they disputed in of the truth. And God guides whoever He wishes to a straight path...
Its like the more guidence the more disagreement. Maybe its to do with that God made every thing in pair. So when the guidence is given also the misguidance is appering as well.
I know I din?t answer you thoughts clearly. But I just wanted to share my thoughts as well.
peace
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you can also ask why did God bother safeguarding the Koran when he knew (as prophet says in Koran) people will discard the Koran anyway and corrupt Islam with hadiths?
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...and of course there is the other question of was the Koran corrupted until Rashad Khalifa came along and returned it to its original form by removing two verses, apparently written by man?!
Peace,
Dawn.
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OP, you're neglecting the matter of guidance.
I believe those who Allah knows are capable of shouldering the blessing and burden that is knowing the true path. If you seek out knowledge, he will make that easy for you to understand. If you would rather just follow 'knowledge' predetermined by other people, then he will leave you to your desires.
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Honestly,
I think the two of you who replied to my question didnt read my question at all.
Why will God choose to safeguard only the Quran while knowing that the Torah and Injeel will be currupted.
And where did you get the idea that God only safeguraded the koran?
Muslims didn't go astray because God did not safeguard the Koran, they went astray because they relied on other authorities for their deen. Well same thing, the reason why many Christians and Jews went astray is because they didn't follow the Torah and Gospel they were given. The Jews relied mostly on their Talmud while the Christians relied on the Church authority.
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I have been thinking about a few things lately. The first being, when God gave the jews the Torah, he must have know that it would be corrupted and yet He allowed it to be corrupted. Then God sent Jesus with the injeel and the injeel also got lost as some say as well as currupted. Then God sent Prophet Muhammed and promised to safe guard the Quran. But what we find is that God safeguared the quran but not islam. it seems God let Islam to be currupted like the other people of the book. So now, all the jews who follow the Torah are on the wrong path and all the Christians who follow the new testament are on the wrong path and all the muslims who live and breather on hadiths are also on the wrong path. Dont you wonder sometimes why God let this happen.
Some people have said that the Torah is not currupted but the injeel is currupted and i say to those people that you cannot say that the Torah is original because the stories of certaini events and people are quite differently in the Quran and Torah.
Someone please help me
And there are also those who never read the Torah, Gospel or Quran.. and they followed the true path and lived a good life..
Salam / Peace
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And where did you get the idea that God only safeguraded the koran?
Muslims didn't go astray because God did not safeguard the Koran, they went astray because they relied on other authorities for their deen. Well same thing, the reason why many Christians and Jews went astray is because they didn't follow the Torah and Gospel they were given. The Jews relied mostly on their Talmud while the Christians relied on the Church authority.
I dont think you have read the Torah my friend..this is why i always ask people to read my post properly before responding.
First off, the story of prophet Ibrahim in the Torah is not the same as the story in the Quran
Even if Jews stopped following the Talmud ( google Karaites ) , what they practice would not be even close to islam.
What i am saying in essense is that God knew that the Torah would be currupted, this is why the Quran corrects stories that are written in the Torah. If the stories in the Torah whwre currupt, then the Quran ill almost become like a "new testament" of sort i.e an addition to the Torah. it wouldnt need to re write the stories.
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And there are also those who never read the Torah, Gospel or Quran.. and they followed the true path and lived a good life..
Salam / Peace
Jafar,
I dont get your point....are you saying that we dont need Quran, Torah or Injeel for guidance?
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Jafar,
I dont get your point....are you saying that we dont need Quran, Torah or Injeel for guidance?
Yes, did Joseph, Isaac, Abraham, Noah ever read the Torah Injeel and Quran??
Then you should know by now what (or who) we need for ultimate guidance...
Salam/Peace
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Quran is fully detailed, so no other book even if it has some truth on it is necessary.
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Why will God choose to safeguard only the Quran while knowing that the Torah and Injeel will be currupted.
Salaam TC,
How did you get to the conclusion that AlTauraat and AlInjeel is corrupted and AlQuraan is safeguarded? Any aayaats from AlQuraan for your claim bro? I don't think so, please check below
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2185 A month of aspiration, in which AlQuraan was revealed; as a guide to the people and clarities from the guidance and the Criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.33
33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands; and He sent down AlTauraat and AlInjeel.34
34 From before as a guidance for the people, and He sent down the Criterion. Those who rejected the revelations of God, they will have a severe retribution, and God is Noble, exacting in Revenge.And still there is guidance in AlTauraat and AlInjeel
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544 We have sent down AlTauraat, in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Devotees, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Book of God, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.546
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of AlTauraat. And We gave him AlInjeel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of AlTauraat, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.Hope this may help you inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us to His true path pr
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I have been thinking about a few things lately. The first being, when God gave the jews the Torah, he must have know that it would be corrupted and yet He allowed it to be corrupted. Then God sent Jesus with the injeel and the injeel also got lost as some say as well as currupted. Then God sent Prophet Muhammed and promised to safe guard the Quran. But what we find is that God safeguared the quran but not islam. it seems God let Islam to be currupted like the other people of the book. So now, all the jews who follow the Torah are on the wrong path and all the Christians who follow the new testament are on the wrong path and all the muslims who live and breather on hadiths are also on the wrong path. Dont you wonder sometimes why God let this happen.
Some people have said that the Torah is not currupteth centuryd but the injeel is currupted and i say to those people that you cannot say that the Torah is original because the stories of certaini events and people are quite differently in the Quran and Torah.
Someone please help me
Allah never gave the Torah to the Jews, but he gave it to the children of Israel, and that same Torah never been altered nor changed, also the injeel was given to Isa, and was added to the same BOOK, in one same book, and never been altered, together, the Torah and the injeel , are the book that you're reading now and you call the Quran
the arabic race, never existed, it was invented in the 18th century, and spreaded through all the children of Israel, and became called ARABS, the Word Arabiyan in the Quran, means PERFECT , and doesn't speak of a race's language
the Jews were never the children of Israel, read the Quran and you'll realise that he's speaking to them different than the children of Israel
the children of Israel, now, Hate the children of Israel , without knowing it, they hate themselves and call themselves ARABS