Ramadhan: 30 days in 365 days ! not one consecutive month !
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Peace be upon you Shariff and Dr Fazul,
Okay, I understand your position now, but I am still a bit unclear as to the witnessing of this event. Give me an example of a day when you felt that you recieved guidance and when , after that witnessing, did you start to abstain.
I guess the problem I have with that is that it makes it sound as if guidance does not come everyday. Further, how does the night of power tie into all of this?
Thank you for helping me understand your position.
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Dear brother idolfree,
I am still a bit unclear as to the witnessing of the event. Give me an example of a day when you felt that you recieved guidance and when , after that witnessing, did you start to abstain.
Allah says Follow me and Follow my rasul
For long i never knew how to follow Allah but i never gave up. Later it dawned upon me that i follow Allah in this fashion Allah is forgiving; so be forgiving the people for their aggressions on you. Allah is very patient on you; so be observing patience over your people's misdeeds Allah is Wisdomful; so be seeking HIS wisdom and never keep your intelligence on par with HIS Wisdom. Allah never likes pride in you; so lose it from your face and bring up humility. Allah is self sufficient; so be not slogging for survival if you are truthful to HIM, for He will not let you down when you are sincere in following HIM. Now I know How To Follow Allah.. this is the day my heart felt the calmness of its life time, after the 'storm'ful search as to how to folow allah... So this is WAHI for, Allah says
13 28 "Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction
This is the day of witnessing salaamath at heart. So i fasted having satisfied with the day of witnessing...
Then my search for how to follow rasul It is answered very closely within days, thus
We have His Ruh in our hearts. Roughly we mean by it as " The Soul " which means " The Truthful ". This RUH is the abode of Ruhul Amin, the MESSENGER of Allah chosen from the angels, the malyikas namely, Gibraeel who is entrusted with the definitions and explanations of Quran who by HIS Grant descends down upon our RUH or on our souls explaining the ayats. So follow what has been sent down upon you. Allah says thus
13 19 Is he who knoweth that what is revealed unto thee from thy Lord is the truth like him who is blind? But only men of understanding heed;
So my Mesenger is God sent Ruhul Amin, the Gibraeel and i follow the Messenger... now it is the second time the peace descended on my soul and my iman became stronger.. this is the day of witnessing! So I fasted. From then it goes on and on endlessly!
I guess the problem I have with that is that it makes it sound as if guidance does not come everyday. Further, how does the night of power tie into all of this?
Yes! it does not come every day but as and when He deems fit. It may be everyday; or, months pass by without Events. The Wahi always comes as bits and sections as allah says in sura Furqan
25 32 And those who disbelieve say Why is the Qur'an not revealed unto him all at once? Thus that We may strengthen thy heart therewith; and We have arranged it in right order
If we need Quran it is with Allah for those who ponder; unless Allah guides you , none else shall guide you, for, Quran is With Allah Guarded and protected in HIS Luvhul mahful. So follow Allah by being righteous when the criterion is recited to you by Allah when you are being involved in your daily activities such as thoughts and devisings and plannings. Then follow Gibraeel His Messenger, when He recites for you the Guidance for your Siratul mustaqeem through clear revealtions. Follow then, freely and with no doubt, fear or worry as another angel messenger Mikhail conducts you and leads you through the Way all the WAY.... Read what Allah says
2 97 Say Who is an enemy to Gabriel! For he it is who hath revealed to thy heart by Allah's leave, confirming that which was before it ( the BOOK that you have before your soul ), and a guidance and glad tidings to believers ( who shall witness );
2 98 Who is an enemy to Allah, and His angels and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael! Then, lo! Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.
Brother idolfree,
Read it up allwith the 2 185 and you will receive the truth. when it descends upon your RUH you fast having witnessed the truth yourself. Never join the ritual gangs as they begin their feasts of the physical month of ramadhan, ritually on 14 th or on 15 th, of this month, for if we are to follow Allah we shall not follow what the majority follows.. 6 116
Thanks Allah for the opportunity He has Given
dr fazlur rahman
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Peace be upon you Dr Fazl,
I have actually a few disagreements, but I think my position is not that much of a change from yours.
As you correctly pointed out to us from the God,
(5122) And in the sky/space (is) your provision and what you are being promised.
Our journey is inward, that is why Musa was told to remove his shoes.
That is why we are given the symbolism of climbing the mountain into the skies, because the steep path (up the mountain) is the journey inward, to the chief city, the Mind. The "malaika' are the guiding thoughts from the God, while the "shayteen" are the rejecting thoughts of our egotistical desires, when we see ourself as seperate from the WHOLE.
With that said, I agree with how you relate the "spending of money" with buying of food, and how we abstain from that when the guidanc ecomes down.
But I think I disagree with the timing, for I do not see how one is seeking can go for 330 days a year with no guidance. I feel that the guidance is always there, but that there are certain times when the ruh(energy) from the God is greater. Just like there are times at night(phases of the moon) when the light shines greater, just like there are times when women can "accept the seed and bring forth", so does tha MIND have times when it is more receptive.
With that said, I agree that the thrity days may not be consecutive, but when I think on when they could be, I am drawn to the 10 nights mentioned in the reading.
(892) And/by ten nights
I still have not heard an approach to this and I think it might be because it fits in this concept of abstaining.
Looking to the past, many people used to fast and have celebrations during the summer and winter solstices, both which last 4 days a piece, and also the spring and fall equinoxes, both which last a day a piece, this equals TEN.
I have a cd at home that speaks about these times and since this has just come to me, i need to go home and recall exactly what is stated about these times and how the atmosphere becomes Ionized(electrically charged) during the hoter times.
As you can see, my disagreement is not complete, but i wanted to speak out loud in case anyone could understand me and could find the answer with that help.
Thank yo Dr Fazl for the needed push and I welcom all critisisms you might have or any further thoughts you could share that could steer me in a direction that think is better.
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Salaam Kyle and all,
(892) And/by ten nights
I still have not heard an approach to this and I think it might be because it fits in this concept of abstaining.
Looking to the past, many people used to fast and have celebrations during the summer and winter solstices, both which last 4 days a piece, and also the spring and fall equinoxes, both which last a day a piece, this equals TEN.
In regard to TEN, there's something that I saw, the other day, that I'm not sure if there's any significance at all, but I thought I'd try and see what you think.
- And complete the Pilgrimage and the visit for God. But, if you are prevented, then make what is affordable of donation, and do not shave your heads until the donation reaches its destination; but whoever of you is ill or has an affliction to his head, then he may redeem by fasting or giving a charity or a sacrifice. But if you are able, then whoever continues the visit until the Pilgrimage, then he shall provide what is affordable of donation; but for he who cannot find anything, then he must fast for three days during the Pilgrimage and seven when he returns; this will make a COMPLETE ten; this is for those whose family is not present at the Restricted Temple. And be aware of God, and know that God is severe in retribution.
I realize this is about a different subject, but I thought since 'fasting' is involved, I'd give it a (long) shot. What do you think? )
Peace!
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Salaam drfazl,
So my Mesenger is God sent Ruhul Amin, the Gibraeel and i follow the Messenger... now it is the second time the peace descended on my soul and my iman became stronger.. this is the day of witnessing! So I fasted. From then it goes on and on endlessly!
Allah decreed siyam/abstinence for us a few number of days during the month of ramadhan.
Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count (2185)
We should complete the period and this is a known period during the month of ramadhan.
I consider this month as one of the twelve months of the year (936).
- The count of the months with God is twelve months in God?s record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous.
Correct me if I'm wrong, a month is a number of successive days and not intermittent.
In the light of the quran, the four restricted months are consecutive.
Read it up allwith the 2 185 and you will receive the truth. when it descends upon your RUH you fast having witnessed the truth yourself.
I'm very confused ?
You always think that the month of "ramadhan" in which the quran is sent down and not was sent ?
Past tence
971 Behold, We have revealed it in the Night of Majesty.
Inna anzalnahu fee laylatialqadriToday I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted surrender as the system for you. (53)
Does the quran explain itself and provide its own best commentary?
Is the quran sufficient for our guidance?
Any comment appreciated
Thanks
Marie
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Dear Marie,
Allah decreed siyam/abstinence for us a few number of days during the month of ramadhan.
Can you refer to Quran as to which ayat says a month means only a few number of days within the month ? See your own statements below
Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him fast therein. and so that you may complete the count of one month (2185)
I consider this month as one of the twelve months of the year (936).
- The count of the months with God is twelve months in Gods record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous.
drfazl
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Dear drfazl,
Thanks for your understanding.
Dear Marie,
Allah decreed siyam/abstinence for us a few number of days during the month of ramadhan.
Can you refer to Quran as to which ayat says a month means only a few number of days within the month ?
There is a big difference between your statement and my own understanding. What I try to say that we have to abstain therein "the month of ramadhan", a few number of days.
We cannot read the verse 2185 without the previous verses (2183..)
Allah knows best
I ask you the same question, can you refer to the qur'an as which ayat says that siyam which is decreed for us a whole month. The verse 2183 is clear, siyam is decreed during a few number of days and not a month (shahr) 2183.
See your own statements below
Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him fast therein. and so that you may complete the count of one month shock (2185)
You modified what I have said; I understand "to complete the count "al3idda" of "ayyam ma3doodat/a" and not of the month (2183). That seems coherent.
There is no offence; to witness the month by receiving the revelation is guessing work not supported by the quran.
Allah guide those who seek the truth during all their life and not only during a few days.
May Allah guide us to the straight path.
Marie
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Peace Marie,We cannot read the verse 2185 without the previous verses (2183..)
Here are a few other translations.
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SHAKIR For a certain number of days
YUSUFALI for a fixed number of days
2183 SHAKIR O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guardI do not see in the above the 10 days! I am still asking you wherein in 2 183 and 184 we see those 10 days that you refer to. Do you see ?
I ask you the same question, can you refer to the qur'an as which ayat says that siyam which is decreed for us a whole month. The verse 2183 is clear, siyam is decreed during a few number of days and not a month (shahr) 2183.
2185 is my answer. One month or one whole month; both carry the same meanings I suppose. whoever witnesses the month shall fast in it
There is no offence; to witness the month by receiving the revelation is guessing work not supported by the quran.
Do you say the Revelation is not for us? Do you mean to maintain that it is a guess work if any believes one shall receive wahi from Allah? And you say this since that you found in your opinion, Quran has no support for this? Are you sure? There are plenty of ayats that support that it is Allah who alone shows the WAY. Worship Him alone ; and Seek only from HIM, the WAY
Allah guides those who seek the truth during all their life and not only during a few days.
True, Allah sends down His guidance little by little ; off and on - so that your hearts may be strengthened. He decides the timing to send down His Guidance, the Wahi. Hence keep expecting all the while, until last breath. The Guidance Guides you. As the guidance comes from Allah off and on, fix the days following the revelation due for fasting. 2184 " For a fixed number of days!" 2 185 " when you witness the the guidance, the wahi fast there in; Allah's promise is that such guidance is sure to come to you individually, for 30 days every year, that shall make a month. Thus the month is individualised and is dispersed through out the year. NOT collectively promised for all the people of the world, in the same month. Please MIND the words of Allah " WHOEVER WITNESSES! "
The month is thus highly individualised and its days are well dispersed.May Allah guide us to the straight path.
drfazl
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Peace drfazl,
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I do not see in the above the 10 days! I am still asking you wherein in 2 183 and 184 we see those 10 days that you refer to. Do you see ?I ask you the same question, can you refer to the qur'an as which ayat says that siyam which is decreed for us a whole month. The verse 2183 is clear, siyam is decreed during a few number of days and not a month (shahr) 2183.
2185 is my answer. One month or one whole month; both carry the same meanings I suppose. whoever witnesses the month shall fast in it
Agree, I revised my view about this subject, I have just posted a new post in this section Ramadhan -10 Days?what do we think?
Do you say the Revelation is not for us? Do you mean to maintain that it is a guess work if any believes one shall receive wahi from Allah? And you say this since that you found in your opinion, Quran has no support for this? Are you sure? There are plenty of ayats that support that it is Allah who alone shows the WAY. Worship Him alone ; and Seek only from HIM, the WAY
We have not the same reading of some verses, I believe, the quran is complete and fully detailed, I look for the response to my questions about some verses in the quran because It explains itself.
The quran is an universal message and it is for the world. It is sufficient for me to live in harmony with the God's laws.
Please MIND the words of Allah " WHOEVER WITNESSES! "
The month is thus highly individualised and its days are well dispersed.This is just my understanding, in the light of the quran, I consider the month of ramadhan as a lunar month and it is the first lunar month of the four resticted months which are consecutive (chapter 9)
I understand this part differently than you "Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him abstain it"
I think we witness the lunar month "ramadhan" at different time according to our geographic position.Allah knows best
Marie
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Peace marie,
I think we witness the lunar month "ramadhan" at different time according to our geographic position.
What if 2 185 is recited to a people in the same locality say a town of 4000 people? Or, in a house hold of 4 to 5 recite together 2 185 ? It is still "whoever of you witness the month of ramadhan" isn't it ? We see each one has to wait for his days as determined by Allah, spread throughout the year.
drfazl
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Peace be upon you Doc,
You have really got me thinking about this "WITNESSING" part, it makes a lot of sense, I just cannot figure outthough how I KNOW FOR SURE if I am recieving inspiriation. There are times when I TRULY though I was, but turned out later that I was wrong. For example, when I first found the submission.org site, I thought I found it all, but that 19 fitna turned out to be just that, a fitna(trial).
I think you are very close, but I cannot figure out what is missing.
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Peace drfazl,
Peace marie,
I think we witness the lunar month "ramadhan" at different time according to our geographic position.
What if 2 185 is recited to a people in the same locality say a town of 4000 people? Or, in a house hold of 4 to 5 recite together 2 185 ? It is still "whoever of you witness the month of ramadhan" isn't it ? We see each one has to wait for his days as determined by Allah, spread throughout the year.
drfazl
I consider the month of ramadhan as a lunar month and the first retricted month and Allah explains how to witness for example the four restricted month in the same chapter.
The langage in the quran is precise, and Allah said whoever of you can observe the lunar month ie the lunar month of ramadhan, I consider it as an ordinary lunar month in which the quran was sent down as a guide in the past.
To witness the month doesn't mean to receive the revelation or to witness it.
The lunar month of ramdhan is a measurable period and not days spread throughout the year.Please look the context of all verses where the word "shahr" is used before inventing a new definition of the word "shahr".
The quran is the best dictionnary and is its best comment.
Allah knows best
Marie
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Peace brother Kyle,
Peace be upon you Doc,
You have really got me thinking about this "WITNESSING" part, it makes a lot of sense, I just cannot figure outthough how I KNOW FOR SURE if I am recieving inspiriation. There are times when I TRULY though I was, but turned out later that I was wrong. For example, when I first found the submission.org site, I thought I found it all, but that 19 fitna turned out to be just that, a fitna(trial).
Rashad Khalifa also claimed that he received alwahy roll ?
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Peace be upon you Marie,
Rashad Khalifa also claimed that he received alwahy
EXACTLY!! You stated very clearly the problem that was in my mind. Thank you.
Also, since my last post, I have read the post from Ayman regarding full moons. I am leaning in this direction now.
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hi idolfree
you said
You have really got me thinking about this "WITNESSING" part, it makes a lot of sense, I just cannot figure outthough how I KNOW FOR SURE if I am recieving inspiriation. There are times when I TRULY though I was, but turned out later that I was wrong. For example, when I first found the submission.org site, I thought I found it all, but that 19 fitna turned out to be just that, a fitna(trial).
i think this ayah will help
- We do not duplicate a revelation, or make it forgotten, unless We bring one which is like it or even greater. Did you not know that God is capable of all things?
i believe ramadhan is individualised. ever individual who ponders the quran will recieve a revelation. today u may understand the ayah a different way, u fast the next day, then afetr a while u understand it differently. we bring one which is like it or even greater. god reveals to you in parts so that he stregthens your heart
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Peace be upon you Shariif,
i think this ayah will help
- We do not duplicate a revelation, or make it forgotten, unless We bring one which is like it or even greater. Did you not know that God is capable of all things?
Respectfully, that does not help me. Verse 2106 says "sign" not "revelation", and it means that the God's signs come continuously, so you might forget one, but there are a million more staring yo right in the face, so there will be no excuse for anyone to reject.
i believe ramadhan is individualised. ever individual who ponders the quran will recieve a revelation. today u may understand the ayah a different way, u fast the next day, then afetr a while u understand it differently. we bring one which is like it or even greater. god reveals to you in parts so that he stregthens your heart
That sounded good to me at first, but now I disagree, if I am "inspired" that 19 is a miracle sign, then I fast the next day, that was not really an inspiration from the God because it is NOT TRUE, therefore it was something from my own self.
Again, I lean more towards Aymans understanding at this point.
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peace all
Regarding the new moon they ask They show not the month of ramadhan for ramadhan is not following the calendar months lunar or solar. Recite this and comprehend.
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They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind, and for Pilgrimage Haj.New moon has no value in quran as far as ramadhan is concerned, since ramadhan has nothing to do with the calendar months. Whoso of you witnesses the month ~~ thus 'Ramadhan ' is a word having hidden meanings ie., 2 185 is one of the mutashabihat ayats. Never go by the dictionary meanings !
drfazl
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Peace
Regarding wahi,
I do not understand why people think they shall not receive wahi ? Who told them that Wahi is not for man. Allah says he sends down wahi even to the earth and the bees. What makes you think that you and I won't receive the wahi? Rashad Khalifa lied on Allah and said he alone could receive the wahi while allah says otherwise. All those who seek refuge in HIM and ask only HIM for guidance ~ He Guides! This Guidance is Wahi. So you fast when you receive or witness the guidance from Him to show your gratitude.
Please ponder on wahi before reply. May Allah help us with His Wahi, the Guidance. As mumins we believe He Guides us; He alone can Guide us; We Worship Him alone ; We seek His Guidance alone! These verses are sura Al Fatiha isn't it ? Where do we then retract and where shall we stray away from siratun Mustaqeem ?
drfazl
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Follow rasul
Rasul folowed Allah's guidance alone ; if we are to follow rasul, like rasul showed you the way, follow the wahi, the guidance from Allah. Follow only what allah has sent down upon you, if you are a believer! Recite this in your heart
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Say "If I am astray, I only stray to the loss of my own soul but if I receive guidance, it is because of the inspiration of my Lord to me it is He Who hears all things, and is near."
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And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me, so they should answer My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.
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Thee do we worship, and Thine Guidance we seek.
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Guide us to the straight way,
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The Guidance of those (the rasuls and the prophets) on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace.I am glad to speak more on wahi that every mumin shall have to believe in if they want to be in the Guidance without straying.
drfazl