Why I believe in the return of Isa
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And if it is taken to mean what Layeth has said as conveying this injunction then!!!!
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Is it for reason that you accept some part of the Book and reject/deny some part of the Book?The consequence would be
Therefore, the return/reward/punishment for anyone amongst you who does this act of accepting some and refusing some part of the Book shall be nothing except disgrace/ignominy in the life of this world; and on the Day of Judgment such people shall be taken to the grievous torture/chastisement. Beware, Allah, the Exalted is never unmindful about that which acts you people are/keep doing.Mazhar, I hope you can rest easily knowing that your god is going to send me "to the grievous torture." I'm sure that brings you a lot of joy. You put the fun in religious fundamentalism.
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This/here is that Book, you will find all the time reading it, which has the characteristic that within its contents there is absolutely no suspicious/conjectural/whimsical/conflicting/un-certain/illusory/perplexing/disconcerting matter, causing distraught emotional uncertain states/psychological disturbance. .
This emphatic and absolute negation of presence of any statement within the Book, that might cause disturbance, disquiet or agitation of minds and hearts, helps satisfy your concern, apprehension and uncertainty regarding achievement of the objective of reading a book. This negation might place your mind in tranquil state since it subtly suggests that you will certainly find in the Book nothing but the established and proven truth, a source of tranquility of heart and mind.
However, if your claim is that you are a truth seeker then it has also created an obligation upon you; now you cannot refuse reading it otherwise you will expose yourself, that in fact you are not a truth-seeker but a prisoner of own thoughts and passions. A truth seeker is never biased, prejudiced and whimsical. He is left with no option but to read the Book and accept its contents or venture to prove them wrong. Being claimant of truth-seeker, you have to read it. Reading of a book creates a liability and obligation upon the reader. He has either to accept its words or discard its version by a counter argument and evidence of fact negating its statement.
Introduction of Qur'aan The only Infinitely Reliable Book
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Listen Mazhar,
your translation might be even right or quite accurate, but that doesn't entitle you to force it upon anybody else.
I see a lot of proselytism (hidden and open) in many posts in this Forum. ("No obligation in religion!"If the Quran is Word of God, and is meant for all mankind, then even a woman who cleans the corridors and stairways in my building, who is half-educated, should understand it when reading it, because she is also a Muslim and reads the Quran.
The Quran is meant for each and everyone to be understood and accepted to his best abilities. Only a messenger with some kind of proof (as Rashad Khalifa for example) could be entitled to give some kind of interpretation and purify Quran's application! Otherwise its vague approximate deciphering can lead to infinite nonsense and contradictions. The good example is the ongoing debate about salat and ritual prayer which can be read in corresponding posts.
Reading of a book creates a liability and obligation upon the reader. He has either to accept its words or discard its version by a counter argument and evidence of fact negating its statement.
Quran doesn't say that, who says that? you?
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Reading of a book creates a liability and obligation upon the reader. He has either to accept its words or discard its version by a counter argument and evidence of fact negating its statement.Quran doesn't say that, who says that? you?
My quote was with relation to a truth seeker.
It did not include the cheats since Rashad Khalifa did not understand this basic principle of reading a book, therefore, it does not make sense to you and thereby you pronounce authoritatively that Qur'aan does not say that.Reading a book is an act and act is done when there is a stimuli, an objective in mind desired to be achieved through the intended act.
For a cheat reading a book might not create an obligation upon him to follow in life, in letter and spirit, its injunctions, information and other contents since the nature of stimuli was different.
But for those who read the book under the stimuli of finding and knowing the truth, the book does creeate an obligation that he should adopt and follow it in his life.
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And this is the Book , We have sent it. This has been given permanence and perpetuation/the striking peculiarity of it is that it is prescribed/stay for ever.http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.155.gif
Therefore you people physically follow the Grand Qur'aan in letter and spirit/without in between there being intervention of third party, and remain cautious avoiding unrestrained conduct so that you people may get mercy/salvation.http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.003c.gif
You people physically follow, in letter and spirit without in between there being intervention of third party, that Book/Grand Qur'aan which has since been sent for you people from your Sustainer Lord -
If there existed an infallible book, the world would not be the bloodbath it is today.
And no, I am absolutely not going to compromise my morality in order to fit my worldview into your interpretation of a book.
Everywhere you look, there is the face of God. Even when you are looking in the direction of a heretic. Enjoy your fundamentalist outlook on reality and its accompanying condemnation of people to "grievous torture." You are quite a charming individual.
I'm done debating with you on this particular topic. It's pretty lame.
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You are perfectly right the path of light dear brother, and it seems to me that brother Mazhar forgot that Allah is Merciful and Dispenser of Grace.
Embedded in his semantic research and meticulous analysis of the text, perhaps he simply overlooked the fact that almost EVERY Surah starts with "Bissmilahi Rachmani Racheem" by no accident or casual formality.
"In the names (attributes) of God Who is the Most Merciful, Most Gracious". It is not unimportant I think!On the other hand, I greatly admire Mazhar's effort and huge contribution of his translation on his site.
But thanks to God that God understands every language and every thought, and that He is far more Merciful and Wiser than any human or jinn!
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You are perfectly right the path of light dear brother, and it seems to me that brother Mazhar forgot that Allah is Merciful and Dispenser of Grace.
Embedded in his semantic research and meticulous analysis of the text, he simply overlooked the fact that almost EVERY Surah starts with Bissmilahi Rachmani Racheem.
"In the names (attributes) of God Who is the Most Merciful, Most Gracious". It is not unimportant I think!On the other hand, I greatly admire Mazhar's effort and huge contribution of his translation on his site.
But thanks to God that God understands every language and every thought, and that He is far more Merciful and Wiser than any human or jinn!
Punishing the convicts and criminals is but the manifestation of mercy.
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If there existed an infallible book, the world would not be the bloodbath it is today.
And no, I am absolutely not going to compromise my morality in order to fit my worldview into your interpretation of a book.
Everywhere you look, there is the face of God. Even when you are looking in the direction of a heretic. Enjoy your fundamentalist outlook on reality and its accompanying condemnation of people to "grievous torture." You are quite a charming individual.
I'm done debating with you on this particular topic. It's pretty lame.
Peace
Quran came in Arabic, it was infallible in Arabic. Without quran, Muslim conquest of the world could not have happened.
Then came the Quran translators, and then came the Quran translations.
What kind of Quran translation are You?
Peace
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Salam path of light
I was going to start my first thread about this, but I this is a good place to put it.
New Testament vs. Koran on the issue of adultery
Koran The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them with one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity overtake you regarding the system of God if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment. ~242
New Testament Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, ?Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?? 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, ?He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.? 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, ?Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you??
11 She said, ?No one, Lord.?
And Jesus said to her, ?Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.? John 82-11I'm joined by chance on the discussion. Path of Light is right in the sense that Jesus asked the same thing as the Koran, he demanded namely testify. they could not confirm the slander. so there was no reason to condemn the woman. This is consistent one hundred percent with the Koran. The Koran requires four witnesses. and if there is only the man as a witness, the oath in the name of Allah, who averts the punishment. So, path of light can forget his abdominal pain, because Allah is alRahman. He simply does not condemn someone without having secured the punishment. (and in a manner in which it is almost impossible to convict someone)
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