"Witchcraft" and "Sorcery"

Abdul-Hadi

Greetings and Peace, all group

Salam,

What are the Arabic words/meanings of the words translated as "witchcraft" and "sorcery"? What do these things entail?

I have been having discussions with some people about things like horoscopes, psychics and tarot cards and I told them I thought they were flagrantly idolatrous but they disagree. I told them a Believer would turn to God Alone for guidance and direction and not those things I mentioned.

Am I wrong here?

You are right to avoid such things.

1131 Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of the dawn,"
1132 "From the evil among His creation,"
1133 "And from the evil of darkness as it falls,"
1134 "And from the evil of those who blow on knots ,"
1135 "And from the evil of an envier when he envies."

590 O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and sacraments, and fortunes are an affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.

450 See how they invent lies about GOD! And that is enough as a clear sin.
451 Did you not see those who were given a portion of the Book, they believe in sorcery and evil, and they say to those who rejected "You are better guided than those who believed the path."

2102 And they followed what the devils recited regarding the kingship of Solomon. Solomon did not reject, but it was the devils who rejected by teaching people magic , and teaching them what was sent down on the two angels in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They did not teach anyone until they would say "We are a test, so do not lose faith!" Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except with the permission of God. And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they purchased with their souls if only they knew!

1081 So when they cast, Moses said "What you have brought is magic , GOD will disable it. GOD does not set right the works of the corrupters."

7116 He said "You cast." So when they cast, they bewitched the eyes of the people, and instilled terror in them, and they came with a great magic.

Use http//corpus.quran.com/ to help find individual words. I find it to be very helpful to verify and cross reference--using the Quran to understand the Quran.

ALLAH knows best.

peace

~Abdul-Hadi

lordfox

Am I wrong here?

But of course you are, at this stage, you shouldn't even ask that question.

This thread perfectly illustrates the difference between both of you, and me.
You see, as my study of the Arabic language is ongoing, I tend to avoid translating verses, and thereby taking the risk of completely misinterpreting a verse, and giving it a meaning the author did not intended it to have.

The religious Abdul Hadi allows himself to translate the word l-si'ru, to magic, and saar to bewitched, as he believes we live in the world of Harry Potter and can cast spells by manipulating a wand and reciting words of the ancient. Unfortunately, Abdul Hadi forgot verse 102 where the prophet Muhammad is called a ''sahir'' by the ''kafiroon'' though he did not perform any kind of magic in front of them, but was only delivering the message of the creator verbally.

As this was a much easier to grasp, illustrated response, I hope this time, dear Q, you will understand why I choose not to translate.

http//png-3.findicons.com/files//icons/638/magic_people/128/magic_hat.png AND BY THE POWER OF THIS WAND, I WILL MAKE MY SELF DISAPPEAR. poof

unknownuser

@lordfox.

Your assessment is 100% spot on.

The word "sihr" means exactly that to deceive, create an illusion, or trick someone.
And it sure as Hell can be done by words alone. This is why the rejectors dissmissed Muhammad's WORDS as "sihr" (meaning deception / glamour / trickery).

The same can be said of Musa when he stood face to face with Far3oun and his goons. His "stick" became a snake which "swallowed up" their illusions and exposed their lies. It's all a metaphor.

It was not a magic show a - la David Copperfield that Far3oun's men performed, but a deception with words. It was an argument...a debate. This is why Musa asked Allah to allow him to bring his brother Haroon along with him, because the latter was more articulate and stronger of argument.

Far3oun, through his deception and team of clergy, DECEIVED the people into making them think they were free citizens, living under his care and protection, when in truth they were all slaves to his will.

The most obvious verse which makes this clear is

{So Moses cast down his stick, and it exposed all their lies}...

Here is the Arabic text of the above verse

You see that last underlined word? It is "ya'fikoon", which comes from ifk

The word "ifk" quite simply means great slander or lie. (Just like the great ifk which the rejecters perpetrated when they accused some women of adultry, when the latter sought refuge with believing men. Same word, same meaning).

It does not mean a magic show. The "casting of the stick" is metaphor for "presenting his argument".

The story of Musa and his confrontation with Far3oun needs to be understood on two levels

1- The actual historical event There was indeed a figure named Musa, who liberated a small tribe of goat herders by the name of Bani Israel. This event did take place in Arabia's distant and frgotten past.

2- The metaphoric and symbolic level. It speaks of mankind's eternal struggle against the deception of rulers and tyrants. Look around you and see what the "political" systems have accomplished for the people. Far3oun - Haman - Qaroon are symbols of the demonic triangle of politicians - clergy - financiers (rich elite) who have been enslaving people for ages.

The "sheeple" of the world, however, are hardly aware of what's going on, because the "sihr" of Far3oun is at work everywhere blogging their minds with lying media, sports, concerts, staged events (moonlanding, 9/11, artificial wars, underwear plane bombers, Al-Qaeda, terrorist threats), you name it....All this "sihr" is designed for one purpose only to confiscate our freedom.

The so-called "Muslims" flock like sheep every year to perform pagan rituals around a cubic structure, yelling "Labbayka Allahumma labbayk" (I answer to you, Oh Allah!), at the top of their throats, when the truth is that they worship no one but their presidents, mullahs, and banks.

Incidently you might want to know this The word "GOVERNMENT" comes from Latin "Gobern-mente".

Gobern = control
Mente = mind

Hence, GOVERNMENT is all about mind control through deception ("sihr&quot

There's the truth for you.

lordfox

@pazuzu

I absolutely agree with everything you have just said.

Unfortunately, every time we try to discuss and share these ideas on this forum, the religious and enslaved minds (affected by their entourage, establishements and televisions - it is not called television programming for nothing), fervent lawyers of democracy, blabber and refuse to understand and investigate the most basic of the presented concepts. Perhaps you will be interested to study some of the articles on servantofthelight.com on natural law, allodial right of use (etc.) as your views are similar to ours.

Fortunately there is hope, as there are still people like you who investigate and chew before swallowing, perhaps one day (sooner than thought maybe, as a general social and economic collapse is imminent) we will be able to rise from lambs, to lions.

Jafar

Far3oun, through his deception and team of clergy, DECEIVED the people into making them think they were free citizens, living under his care and protection, when in truth they were all slaves to his will.

"plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"
The more it change the more it stay the same..

There are things which doesn't change for many centuries of human civilization...

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Salam / Peace

farida

Fortunately there is hope, as there are still people like you who investigate and chew before swallowing, perhaps one day (sooner than thought maybe, as a general social and economic collapse is imminent) we will be able to rise from lambs, to lions.

Insah'Allah pr

Salaam

Sihr is an illusion of the mind used to make people see according to the sorcerors point of view. Whether it means employing PR machinery, or investing in human Psychology, to ascertain human reaction its all about mind reading and control of the mind, so much so that through adverts human taste buds can now be controlled. One example is Coca cola which through its media advertizement bewitched / instill the idea into people?s minds that nothing tastes better than Coke or Pepsi and that it?s a source of happiness and good living whereas the chemical 4-methylimidazole, or 4-MI, in Coca Cola and Pepsi, in fact causes Cancer.
I believe the magic trick referred to in 2102.... teaching people magic , and teaching them what was sent down on the two angels in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot is a reference to teaching of Human Psychology which angel taught to use it to understand human nature but warned that it could be used to create hynotism
The sorcerors of Fira?un could not stand against Musa(AS) as he was able to expose the root of the illusion and his argument swallowed all Sihr/PR used by the ellite which as you rightly pointed out includes politicians - clergy ? financiers and not to forget scholar in every feild.
So let us join hand to workout the ulterior motiv. peace

Kaiokenred