Three or Five Daily Prayers?
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Kaiokenred
then why don't you translate them then? and provide the alternative translation and understanding...nurmuhammed
I don't believe in a blind ritual, i don't believe in 2,4,4,3,4 cycles of salat.
i would believe in contacting and remembering God through salat. I would believe in the 3 daily salat.
This should not take a long period of your time, currently it takes me around <20 min to do my salat...I understand you,
but it is not about time, it is just about truth. As you know majority agree with contact prayers, but not with another option like it could be not contact prayer. while both parts has own proof.
As you say u would believe, when the belief is no more in need. It is just right and wrong issue.I invite you to study the word salat, if you want so.
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From Project Root List (They use Lanes Lexicon)
= Sad-Lam-Waw = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnify, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse?s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.musalla (ي n. m. - 2125
salat (ة n. f. sing. - 23, 243, 245, 283, 2110, 2153, 2177, 2238, 2277, 443, 477, 4101, 4102, 4103, 4103, 4103, 4142, 4162, 56, 512, 555, 558, 591, 5106, 672, 692, 6162, 7170, 83, 835, 95, 911, 918, 954, 971, 9103, 1087, 1187, 11114, 1322, 1431, 1437, 1440, 1778, 17110, 1931, 1955, 1959, 2014, 20132, 2173, 2235, 2241, 2278, 232, 2437, 2441, 2456, 2458, 2458, 273, 2945, 2945, 3031, 314, 3117, 3333, 3518, 3529, 4238, 5813, 629, 6210, 7023, 7034, 7320, 985, 1075
salawat (ت nom. gen. n. plu. - 2157, 2238, 999, 2240, 239salla (ي vb.II m.
perf. act. 7531, 8715, 9610
impf. act. 339, plu. neg. 4102, plu. 4102, tusalli (ل neg. 984, yusallee (ي sing. 3343, yusalloona (ن plu. 3356
salli (ل impv. 9103, salloo (ا plu. 3356, 1082
musalleena (ن pcple. act. plu. acc. gen. 7022, 7443, 1074LL, V4, p 444, 445
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Slaamm to all sun
We are not here to Worship, only to SErve trught best actions to the ones around and not set Partners with Allah.
how can ibd can be rendered to Slaves and /worshipers ? http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Ebd#%28152%29 no sense.. its for manipulation and total control porpuses this translation
like SALLA is not ritual prayer, the Corpus coran again fails root dl ayn ww instead of S L L, YEs we can Ask for guidence and benefit of anykind it is the Recitation, meditation, studyponder on the signs of AQ and the verification of the Signs and Signs around us in Earth and Heavens, and apply the sistem to our dailly lifes.. The Furqan against the Amount of Falacyes that are used to interpret AQ , as its the Only book passed trught mankind and to all Prphets..somehow it passes trught a profund and deep inner trevel inside of your own counscience, the stations of enlighment comes to every person if one wants to open eyes to see truth and not eat the ritualistic sheep movements full of fables contradictions and idolworshiping egoworship ...for me no nooo.. We are here to Serve by deeds and actions meditating and ponder, AQURan must be studied carefully and not just parroted ..be Wisee and build yourself with the help of the Deen sun
Slaam to all group
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Could you please restate/ provide links to "how it is evident from the quran and even looking at remains of earlier scriptures from God" ?
Will appreciate very much.highly ecommend reading Hayim H Donin's book To pray as a Jew A guide to the prayer book.
and you will also see the similarities between jewish traditions and hadiths.
I know how some people feel about wikipedia but here it is
Jewish prayer (Hebrew , tefill?h; plural Hebrew , tefillos or tefill?t; Yiddish tf?le, plural tf?lles; Yinglish davening from Yiddish davnen ?to pray?) are the prayer recitations that form part of the observance of Judaism. These prayers, often with instructions and commentary, are found in the siddur, the traditional Jewish prayer book.
Traditionally, three prayer services are recited daily
Shacharit or Shaharit (ת, from the Hebrew shachar or shahar (ר "morning light,"
Mincha or Minha (ה, the afternoon prayers named for the flour offering that accompanied sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem,
Arvit (ת or Ma'ariv (ב, from "nightfall."and check out this youtube video http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg
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I understand you,
but it is not about time, it is just about truth. As you know majority agree with contact prayers, but not with another option like it could be not contact prayer. while both parts has own proof.
As you say u would believe, when the belief is no more in need. It is just right and wrong issue.I invite you to study the word salat, if you want so.
But its very important that we understand the Koranic persuasion based upon how the community understands it and not how we as individuals understand it or expect it to be. I say this because in the end that is what people will follow. Right now the Koranic persuasion is led by pioneers and self reliant individuals. But soon the masses will flock. When that happens they will simply follow what there is a consensus upon.
The reality is most Koranist have an understanding of what salat is. They differ as to when and how it should be done but there is a general agreement that it should be done daily, consistently in a timely manner, that it requires some form of praise and glorification, that is requires some form of standing, bowing, prostrating and kneeling, that it requires humility and that it requires a verbal communication with not too loud of a sound or absolute silence, and that a person should not be dirty and unhygenic when he or she is performing it and it must be done with sincerity and that he should be conscious and concentrating and that it can be done individually or collectively and that it is an absolute must for a believer and it must be done for God only and to gain His favor and support.
This consensus is based on how the Koran sees it and how the previous scriptures sees it and how mankind saw it throught history and now. Its a consensus among mankind.
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Have you read the Qur'an?
Yes. And that's not a valid answer. Please answer my question.
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My English is not that great I suppose. What did you mean by worship? I haven't read the whole thread btw, maybe I should peace
I don't think there's two meaning of worship, by worship I mean worship, simply worship. Where does Allah ask us to do that in the Quran?
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I looked over http//www.free-minds.org/salat just a few minutes ago. So I'm curious as to what you all think about the three daily prayers vs five. I'm under the impression that there are five, and I practice five daily - http//www.submission.info
So is it three or five?
Edit Sorry, gave you all the wrong website address. I corrected it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
I looked over http//www.free-minds.org/salat just a few minutes ago. So I'm curious as to what you all think about the three daily prayers vs five. I'm under the impression that there are five, and I practice five daily - http//www.submission.info
So is it three or five?
Edit Sorry, gave you all the wrong website address. I corrected it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
IMHO
The name of each prescribed Salaah would mentioned.
and they are.
"Salaah tul Fajr" (245
"Salaah tul Ishaa" (245
"Salaah tul Wusta" (223No other "Salaah tul" anything is mentioned.
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Salaam
Just to mention roots probably arent S L W nor D W A , probably SLL wich is more a comitment(compromise)
all bless or pray or conection or ritual or worship? ! too much contradiction on Corpus Quran and in translations.. many words coming to mean 1 and 1 to mean many.. thats too much contradiction and manipulated translation
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Slw#%2822384%29
muallan --(as) a place of prayer??? so what Masjid? hmm
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Salaam
Just to mention roots probably arent S L W nor D W A , probably SLL wich is more a comitment(compromise)
all bless or pray or conection or ritual or worship? ! too much contradiction on Corpus Quran and in translations.. many words coming to mean 1 and 1 to mean many.. thats too much contradiction and manipulated translation
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Slw#%2822384%29
muallan --(as) a place of prayer??? so what Masjid? hmm
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Masjid could very well mean Consented degree
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3, 5, 10, 300 DAILY PRAYERS? WHO IS GOING TO CONVINCE YOU? WILL YOU FOLLOW THEM?
Is prayer/connection to GOD a private or public matter? What is more important?4210 If you dispute any part of this message, the judgement for doing this rests with GOD. Such is GOD my Lord. In HIM I trust and to HIM I submit.?
( You are responsible for your own decision? Do you want to follow blindly? Or check for yourself? What is the message?)
4213 HE ( GOD) decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah and what We inspired to you and what We decreed for Abraham, Moses and Jesus? You shall uphold this one religion and do not divide it.? The idol worshippers will greatly resent what you are inviting them to do. GOD redeems to Himself only those who totally submit.?
( One religion, not many! Man made stuff is called here ? idol worship? -following others- nothing to do with what GOD decreed!)
4214 Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy among themselves. ( Mine is better than yours?!) Indeed the later generations who inherited the scripture ( Jews. Christians, Muslims, etc?.) are full of doubts.?
4215 This is what you shall preach ( Submission and loyalty to GOD ALONE!) and steadfastly maintain what you are commanded to do, ( Do not follow man-made stuff!) and do not follow their wishes??
4221 They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorised by GOD!?
Try your creator. He guides to the truth. It is between you and your creator?
652 Do not dismiss those who implore their Lord day and night, (Asking their creator to help them decide in this life!) devoting themselves to HIM ALONE.( They are not wasting your time!) You are not responsible for their reckoning, nor are they responsible for your reckoning.( It is their own time!) If you dismiss them, ( You are being unfair!) you will be a transgressor.?
( Freedom of choice! You are responsible only for you! ( Once you reach the age of responsibility?) The decision to believe or disbelieve is yours! to pray as many times as you are guided to do. You cannot blame anyone else? Check and prove all things, or follow others ,or do not bother to do anything? Will anyone else be accountable for you?)
Your creator has your answer.
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You are wasting your time. He is a 14 year old boy who only follows the un-Quranic theologies of Abdun Nur. He doesn't believe in ANY translation except one created by that guy and he has only (mis)translated/fabricated less than 10% of the Quran. He is not even going by anything the Quran actually says so you are wasting your time asking him to give his evidence for his beliefs.
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"I have not created the jins and the humans for any purpose except to worship Me alone." 5156
Serve.
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You are wasting your time. He is a 14 year old boy who only follows the un-Quranic theologies of Abdun Nur. He doesn't believe in ANY translation except one created by that guy and he has only (mis)translated/fabricated less than 10% of the Quran. He is not even going by anything the Quran actually says so you are wasting your time asking him to give his evidence for his beliefs.
Nobody asked for evidence. I think you're just jealous and pissed off, man. Calm down a little shall you?
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Do you consider doing the daily prayers (salat) as worship?
Salat =/= daily prayers.
Daily prayers are worship, but they're not Islamic -
Salat =/= daily prayers.
Daily prayers are worship, but they're not IslamicDo you give thanks to God? Do you mention His name before eating? Do you repent to Him? Do you ask forgiveness from Him?
These are all simple examples of acts of worship and are all mentioned in the Quran for those who acknowledge God.