The theory of Evolution disproved in 20 questions
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salam student of allah
i can give you my arguments but i can't give my conviction.
let see you challenge
my first appreciation was that it is impossible for any process based on triyng and errors to create what we see.
It is like writing a book by tiping characters by chance. impossibleit is my sayings. You challenged me to give you "recognized Sheiks" in evolution that says something like that
from wikipedia http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome
In modern molecular biology and genetics, the genome is the entirety of an organism's hereditary information. It is encoded either in DNA or, for many types of virus, in RNA. The genome includes both thegenes and the non-coding sequences of the DNA/RNA.
i assimilate the genome to a kind of book since it contains "entirety of an organism's hereditary information" written (evolutionnary sheikhs says encoded) with the alphabet of DNA.
how this book (euh sorry genome) is written ?
see http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileMutation_and_selection_diagram.svg
i found it in the link you gave in your post.
let us comment the words in this diagramm
Mutation creates variation=Mutation tries to change (or add) a sentence in the genome
Unfavorable mutation selected against=errors and bad sendences are eliminated
Reproduction and mutation occur=Mutation tries again
Favorable Mutations more likely to survive="good" sentences for the genome more likely to be retained
and reproduce=and duplicated in the next versions of the book.is challenge still holds ?
i think no.
let's add this http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error
Biological evolution is also a form of trial and error. Random mutations and sexual genetic variations can be viewed as trials and poor reproductive fitness, or lack of improved fitness, as the error. Thus after a long time 'knowledge' of well-adapted genomes accumulates simply by virtue of them being able to reproduce.
and also, in the same page
The basic strategy in many fields?
Traill (2008, espec. Table "S" on p.31) follows Jerne and Popper in seeing this strategy as probably underlying all knowledge-gathering systems ? at least in their initial phase.
Four such systems are identified
Darwinian evolution which "educates" the DNA of the species,
notice that the guy called "Jerne" is a Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Kaj_Jerne
notice also that the guy called Popper is Sir Karl Raimund Popper, CH FRS FBA (28 July 1902 ? 17 September 1994) was an Austro-British philosopher and professor at the London School of Economics. He is regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th centuryis it sufficient as recognized Sheikhs ?
Perhaps No.
let's add this
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgel's_rule
Orgel's rules "are a set of axioms attributed to the evolutionary biologist Leslie Orgel."
what states the second rule ?Orgel's Second Rule
"Evolution is cleverer than you are."
Orgel's Second Rule is intended as a rejoinder to the argument by lack of imagination. In general, this rule expresses the sometimes experienced fact that "trial and error" strategies are better than centralized intelligent human planning.you say
This simple but nice article should help you out to understand basic
sorry dear professor, it 's all that my poor and ineducated brain can understand.
The largest and the most wonderful library, which contains all of the genomes of living, IS enterely written by chance, by a dummy process of trial and error.
That is the main faith of the religious atheits. They become very upset when their faith is joked because they believe they are smarter than other and more educated. They believe they are the "SCIENTITS". They are the more arrogant people because they even don't know that they don't know.
Am I allowed to have this belief ?peace
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Peace,
The largest and the most wonderful library, which contains all of the genomes of living, IS enterely written by chance, by a dummy process of trial and error.
Nothing --> strings (hypothetical) --> quarks --> particles --> 92 natural elements
Mix 92 elements + time = 3 billion year old algae still around today unchanged!
http//pilbara.mq.edu.au/wiki/Stromatolites
http//pilbara.mq.edu.au/mediawiki-1.6.5/images/2/22/SharkbayStrom.jpghttp//pilbara.mq.edu.au/mediawiki-1.6.5/images/6/64/DresserStrom.jpg
Thus the conjecture/theory becomes
Rocks left alone to "rub" a billion years will one day awake and start theorizing!
Hardware by itself cannot write its error correcting/replicating code or Software.
http//www.genomixer.com/about/Untitled-1.jpg
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Shalom Aleikhom,
Seriously, this is going waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off-track.
- Evolution has no answer and is not concerned with "Origin of life" , let alone it's purpose.
So, one might stop bringing up origin of life and blending it with evolution.
- Random mutations submit to God, willingly. Just as gravity submits, mass submits...everything does. By the way, did I mention before that mutations alone does not result in "evolution", it is one of the factors among many.
This however does not mean that God had to sit with a bucket full of dust and put them together with his very physical hands, similarly, God does not need to use a magic wand and say "shaka laka boom boom" to create beings. He sets the rules, the end product can not escape his calculations.
- And whats with the "evolution sheikh" thing ?
I did not ask you to bring them up because they can not be wrong. I asked you to bring them up because you said something that they never said. You accused them of saying what you said about them. If anyone says that "According to Student of Allah there are 11 Gods", wont you ask the person for reference ?????? This has nothing to do with "Student of Allah"'s scholarship. Its general common sense.
For the last time
Evolution is not ALIVE. It has no purpose, it is DEAD. All credit goes to The One that set the rules of the world.
By the way, evolution does not say that a species must extinct with time, if the environment has no problems with the species, it will go on forever.
Dead matter did not program itself to wake up one day. The only reason we came out of that is due to the Ultimate Programmer. The silicon chips, or electrical signals do not consciously decide to give you the internet/computers/phone/softwares etc. If you are smart enough, you can let them do whatever they do, but manipulate the process so that the end result is what you want.
I would agree with you guys, if evolutionists said that "One day, a group of rocks consciously decided, lets rub ourselves together and become Adam".
Peace
----------- Student of Allah
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- Evolution has no answer and is not concerned with "Origin of life" , let alone it's purpose.
So, one might stop bringing up origin of life and blending it with evolution.
- Random mutations submit to God, willingly. Just as gravity submits, mass submits...everything does. By the way, did I mention before that mutations alone does not result in "evolution", it is one of the factors among many.
This however does not mean that God had to sit with a bucket full of dust and put them together with his very physical hands, similarly, God does not need to use a magic wand and say "shaka laka boom boom" to create beings. He sets the rules, the end product can not escape his calculations.
----------- Student of Allah
In addition, I would like to say that it is not required for there to be any input once life originates. The issue I see here is that the concepts of mutations and natural selection are accepted, but that we can get that result solely through random mutation (both positive and negative), followed by natural selection (environmental pressures), then by accumulation of beneficial/ neutral changes (hence we have vestigial organs). You (I mean everyone on this forum, not just you specifically) could read Richard Dawkin's 'The blind watchmaker' and 'Climbing mount improbable.' They are very well written, and would be a great way to spend a few hours.
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I actually would believe in Evolution.... The evolving of Species..... BY GOD!
God Almighty has perfected all things, and when you look around lnature things change constantly... creations have to adapt in order to survive (e.g be perfected)In a verse, we see that God has "tweaked" the human species and made them better (769)....
This might be the transition between neandrathals and homo sapiens...Evolution would be true when you put God in the picture....
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Evolution would be true when you put God in the picture....
I would say that this mechanism is amazing enough that it does not require further interference once the process has started... A God that creates a perfect system that does not require further input is more becoming of an omniscient being than one that has to tweak things from time to time, since things weren't perfect the first time around.
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Well God is said to have PERFECTED his creation....
when we look around, things are changing, there is *need for continuous perfection.Evolution/adaptation would be just that system for perfection.
Also God is cited to have tweaked the human beings and increased them in creation (769)
this might just point out to Evolving...The Creation of God CHANGES.... there is need for continuous perfection
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In addition, I would like to say that it is not required for there to be any input once life originates. The issue I see here is that the concepts of mutations and natural selection are accepted, but that we can get that result solely through random mutation (both positive and negative), followed by natural selection (environmental pressures), then by accumulation of beneficial/ neutral changes (hence we have vestigial organs). You (I mean everyone on this forum, not just you specifically) could read Richard Dawkin's 'The blind watchmaker' and 'Climbing mount improbable.' They are very well written, and would be a great way to spend a few hours.
Shalom Aleikhem,
Indeed , they are nice materials to help understand the process better.
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Well God is said to have PERFECTED his creation....
when we look around, things are changing, there is *need for continuous perfection.Evolution/adaptation would be just that system for perfection.
Also God is cited to have tweaked the human beings and increased them in creation (769)
this might just point out to Evolving...The Creation of God CHANGES.... there is need for continuous perfection
A need for continuous perfection does not necessitate the need for continuous active and physical participation in the process. Think about "Auto-Pilot Systems", they are programmed in a way that they make the aircraft adapt to the physical circumstance without the necessity of any pilot interventions. If that is a human technology and product of our knowledge, do you want to argue that a God has to be inferior and actually keep on piloting the process to make it adapt to change ?
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhem,
A need for continuous perfection does not necessitate the need for continuous active and physical participation in the process. Think about "Auto-Pilot Systems", they are programmed in a way that they make the aircraft adapt to the physical circumstance without the necessity of any pilot interventions. If that is a human technology and product of our knowledge, do you want to argue that a God has to be inferior and actually keep on piloting the process to make it adapt to change ?Peace
------------- Student of AllahThank you. That was my point precisely.
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Great discussion..
Things which are PERFECT doesn't necessary mean it doesn't change...
This is due to People in the past always correlate "Perfection" with "Constancy" because they cannot yet design a 'continuously changing' items.
Now all around us we see human designed items which are 'continuously changing'.
Companies bragged about it as key differentiators of their products..
Ranging from Heater, Air Conditioner (where it can change their action according to the room temperature), Computer Systems, Software, Electrical Grid etc..Although human haven't yet mastered the technology to design "Continuously evolving items".
Human still need to do some work to resolve bugs on your Windows OS (for example)..
Windows 7 cannot (yet) fix it owns bugs or providing a new driver for a new hardware by itself..
Human still need to do it.. and after some period of changes they give it a new name "Windows 8"..
As the 'next evolution' from Windows 7...
(Which also contain more bugs and defects.. rotfl rotflThe capability to 'continuously evolve' is a common thing in any living organism where an organism can continuously evolve to correctly adjust towards new environment/condition.
However those capability to evolve has it's own set of limits.. as set forth by the designer...
Salam / Peace
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Yes I sgree some good exchange of views. Well done all those involved.
I like to make a very important point to all this processes3962 GOD is the creator of all things, and HE is in full control of all things.?
He initiates the start of each process, and guides it .
The chain of command starts and ends with the;4015 Possessor of the highest rank and ruler of the whole dominion... "
Keep your interesting debates going.
Peace.