Eessa never gave back life
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In verse 349, we are given an excerpt of the speech given by the messenger eessa (who is not Jesus) to the people, where he says that he can ''uhy? l'mawta'' / ''give back life (or reincarnate) to the dead'' by the leave of the all-knowing. In verse 5110, it is the all-knowing that is ''speaking'' to the messenger eessa and tells him that by its leave, he could ''ukhrij? l'mwata'' / ''bring forth the dead''.
uhywi ukhrij?
Because it is said that the dead cannot come back, in 349, the messenger eessa was somehow mislead and he never really gave back life to anyone. hmm
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In the passages you cite there is reference to other miracles associated with Jesus. It is clear that he acknowledges God's power and God's will in those miracles being worked.
In the Arabic Infancy Gospel, we have the story of the children who had hidden from Jesus having been transformed into goats. Their transformation was witnessed by the women who had denied to Jesus that the children were in their presence.
In the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, besides accounts of other miraculous signs, we have the stories of the animation of clay birds, the instantaneous healings of grave injuries, and the resurrections of decedents.
In the New Testament, we have stories of other healings and of the resurrection of Lazarus. In the New Testament accounts Jesus says that the miracles are the work of God who sent him.
The Quran is, as it says, a confirmation of the scriptures sent before.
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Respected sage,
To take from your precious time to answer my thread brings tears to my eyes as I imagine you being a very busy man, humbly sharing your wisdom here and there when it is demanded. With all the respect and love that I have for you, it is with great pain that I must tell, you have missed the crucial point. Indeed, as the previous scriptures were greatly altered and greatly mistranslated, their content should not be used as an argument against something that is said in the Quran.
Even though, as the gospels are supposedly the words or some, of the messenger eessa (who is not Jesus), I have brought forth the proof that he was mislead in his speech, and so, we cannot render it as truth because as you well know, it is said that ''shaytan'' disrupted the messengers many time. Can this not be one of the cases ?
Furthermore, we are given the exact words of Allah in verse 5110 and it (Allah) says that by its leave, the messenger eessa could ''bring forth the dead''. As Allah is evidently the most eloquent (it is also said in the quran) and could have reused the verb ''tuhy?'' if it (Allah) wanted to say ''reincarnate the dead'', we cannot hold on to the belief that the messenger eessa gave back life to the dead except by declaring some verses of the quran as unauthentic.
Good day.
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Child, you have missed my point. I was not arguing against the Quran in citing other scriptures; I was showing you that the Quran, a protected book, indeed gives confirmation of a good deal of content of prior scriptures.
Notice also that in the verses you cited the Quran addresses one element of a claim of some of the contemporaries of Jesus, one that persists to this day, that claim being that he was a magician (or sorcerer) from Egypt. We are informed in New Testament scripture that early in his life, the immediate family (or household) of Jesus relocated to Egypt. Even this reference to that mistaken belief about him (that he was a magician), with silence (or no refutation) as to the geographic element (from Egypt) -- seems at least to leave open the possibility that earlier in life he had lived in Egypt, as the Bible story indicates.
I do not accept your premise that "because it is said that the dead cannot come back" -- said by whom? -- that these reported miracles associated with Jesus could not have happened. God's messengers showed clear signs as proof of their authority to deliver direction from God. Both the Quran and prior scriptures make clear that the miraculous proofs were brought about by God's power and with God's direction of the messengers. The Quran assures us that God can do (cause) anything by willing/ordering it.
As for Satan having misled Jesus from his mission, not likely. In the New Testament we are told of Satan's having urged Jesus to work miracles as tests or proofs (proofs for Satan only). Jesus refused to tempt (or request of) God for any such satisfaction for Satan. Jesus was in service to God and would not serve Satan in the least. Jesus was a messenger to humans; it was not his mission to prove anything to Satan.
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Notice also that in the verses you cited the Quran addresses one element of a claim of some of the contemporaries of Jesus, one that persists to this day, that claim being that he was a magician (or sorcerer) from Egypt. We are informed in New Testament scripture that early in his life, the immediate family (or household) of Jesus relocated to Egypt. Even this reference to that mistaken belief about him (that he was a magician), with silence (or no refutation) as to the geographic element (from Egypt) -- seems at least to leave open the possibility that earlier in life he had lived in Egypt, as the Bible story indicates.
Hopefully, you will come to accept that MSR is not Egypt, and that Jesus is not Eessa.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599509.msg232976#msg232976
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603137.msg287444#msg287444
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598926.msg218263#msg218263I do not accept your premise that "because it is said that the dead cannot come back" -- said by whom?
I am pretty sure I have read that the dead cannot pass ''the bersaik''. Anyway even if they could, it does not affect the present matter in any way. You can interpret explicit verses of the quran based on what is said in previous unsure texts if you want.
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The dead have been restored to life to demonstrate God's signs several times in the quran. Refer to 273 (Moses demonstrates), 2259 (random person is killed & resurrected), 2260 (Abraham is shown birds being restored).
It is also true that after the unjust die, they are prevented from returning by a barrier (23100). Also that when an entire nation is destroyed by God, they are not allowed to come back either (2195).