What is the difference between Muslim and Momin?
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By definition, a "muslim" (anyone who sumbits peacefully to God) is someone who believes in the Last Day. Moreover, a muslim is anyone who believes in God, the Last Day and does good work/reform.
then your definition contradicts with 4914 in which Allah says, those, into the hearts of whom belief has not yet entered should say 'We have submitted'.
For submission important is obeying Allah and His messenger (Mohammad).
You may or may not fully adopt the message, but it is in your hand to follow it (ie to maintain salat give zakat be rightous and never associate partners to Allah etc etc). It means obeying Allah and His messenger ie submitting.
For some people, belief comes together with submission, for others, belief follows. Anyway if you obey Allah and His messenger (Mohammad) that makes you a submitter. (or if you obey Allah and His messengers before apperance of Mohammad)
A momin (believer) is a submitter with belief in his heart as indicated in 4914
And verse 5822 makes one more point clear. Since christians and jews didnt obey Allah and His messenger (Mohammad),they can never be submitters but rejecters
5822 You will not find people who believe in GOD and the Last Day befriending those who oppose GOD and His messenger, even if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their tribe. For these, He decrees faith into their hearts, and supports them with inspiration from Him, and admits them into gardens with flowing streams wherein they abide forever. GOD is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. These are the party of GOD. Most assuredly, GOD's party are the winners.
As rejecting Mohammad and His Book is obviously nothing but opposing Allah and His messenger, christians and jews can never be people who believe in Allah and the Last Day according to 5822 (otherwise they would've never befriended themselves ), so it proves one more time that the 262-interpretetion of RK and his freaks is bs.
peace
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then your definition contradicts with 4914 in which Allah says, those, into the hearts of whom belief has not yet entered should say 'We have submitted'.
For submission important is obeying Allah and His messenger (Mohammad).
You may or may not fully adopt the message, but it is in your hand to follow it (ie to maintain salat give zakat be rightous and never associate partners to Allah etc etc). It means obeying Allah and His messenger ie submitting.
For some people, belief comes together with submission, for others, belief follows. Anyway if you obey Allah and His messenger (Mohammad) that makes you a submitter. (or if you obey Allah and His messengers before apperance of Mohammad)
A momin (believer) is a submitter with belief in his heart as indicated in 4914
And verse 5822 makes one more point clear. Since christians and jews didnt obey Allah and His messenger (Mohammad),they can never be submitters but rejecters
5822 You will not find people who believe in GOD and the Last Day befriending those who oppose GOD and His messenger, even if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their tribe. For these, He decrees faith into their hearts, and supports them with inspiration from Him, and admits them into gardens with flowing streams wherein they abide forever. GOD is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. These are the party of GOD. Most assuredly, GOD's party are the winners.
As rejecting Mohammad and His Book is obviously nothing but opposing Allah and His messenger, christians and jews can never be people who believe in Allah and the Last Day according to 5822 (otherwise they would've never befriended themselves D), so it proves one more time that the 262-interpretetion of RK and his freaks is bs.
peace
christians and jews can never be people who believe in Allah and the Last Day according to 5822
That is not accurate. You don't rely on a single verse to understand the Koran. there are over 6,ooo verses. There are many verses that talks about Christian and Jews as believers. When the Koran talks negative about Christians and Jews, its talking about the disbelievers among them and not the believers.
58.22 is talking about the group of Jews who sided with the pagans of Mecca against Muhammad and the hypocrites of Medina who also sided with the pagans against the prophet. Its not whether a person rejects of Book or not, its whether a person rejects what the Book says. Anyone who believes in God and the herafter is following the Koran whether he knows it or not.
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Peace,
then your definition contradicts with 4914 in which Allah says, those, into the hearts of whom belief has not yet entered should say 'We have submitted'.
For submission important is obeying Allah and His messenger (Mohammad).
You may or may not fully adopt the message, but it is in your hand to follow it (ie to maintain salat give zakat be rightous and never associate partners to Allah etc etc). It means obeying Allah and His messenger ie submitting.
For some people, belief comes together with submission, for others, belief follows. Anyway if you obey Allah and His messenger (Mohammad) that makes you a submitter. (or if you obey Allah and His messengers before apperance of Mohammad)
A momin (believer) is a submitter with belief in his heart as indicated in 4914
And verse 5822 makes one more point clear. Since christians and jews didnt obey Allah and His messenger (Mohammad),they can never be submitters but rejecters
5822 You will not find people who believe in GOD and the Last Day befriending those who oppose GOD and His messenger, even if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their tribe. For these, He decrees faith into their hearts, and supports them with inspiration from Him, and admits them into gardens with flowing streams wherein they abide forever. GOD is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. These are the party of GOD. Most assuredly, GOD's party are the winners.
As rejecting Mohammad and His Book is obviously nothing but opposing Allah and His messenger, christians and jews can never be people who believe in Allah and the Last Day according to 5822 (otherwise they would've never befriended themselves D), so it proves one more time that the 262-interpretetion of RK and his freaks is bs.
peace
The minimum requirement for paradise/success in the afterlife is belief in God, the last day, and good deeds. There are two categories of favorable people in the Quran 1. muslims, 2. mumeens, and the only system/way with God is "islam". According to 4914, muslims are a level below that of muslims, in terms of faith, development, etc. It follows that muslims believe in God AND the Last Day, since it is a requirement for success in the afterlife. Note that Christians, Jews, casual believers in God are considered "muslim" and the upholders of the Quran are considered "mumeen". The article pretty much discusses this very well.
God speaks both favorably and unfavorably of certain Jews and Christians - it depends of which ones and in which context. 262 is pretty clear that both Christians/Nazarenes and Jews can attain success in the afterlife. The article pretty much sums up my viewpoint so you can refer to that in future discussion as it will not lead to much plainly discussing this with you.
Oh, and nice ad hominem fallacy/attack at the end of your post.
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Just my 2 cents, while I agree that "belief" in God, the Last Day and Leading a Righteous Life are minimum requirements, I think there is more to those things than first appear.
I don't think simple "belief" accounts or amounts to much at all. As described in Quran, those who acknowledge God will respond to Him and uphold and apply His commandments/teachings. Saying "I believe" but being a polytheist or associating partners with Him nullifies everything but also being a true monotheist and saying "I believe" but having apathetic indifference to His commandments for us is not a way to Paradise.
Belief in the Last Day means believing everything God says about it and what it is for. I have met many people who just think you die and then go to heaven. They just simply do not understand or believe in the Judgement part of it and that there is no intercession and that we are accountable for everything we have done in this life and that is simply a test. Not believing or understanding those parts of the Last Day usually leads people to lead less than righteous lives, so to speak. They don't believe they will be actually Judged for what they have done or didn't do in this life or have engaged in self deluding wishful thinking about what God cares about and what He requires us to do or strive to be like. Thus they actually are disbelieving in the Last Day, IMO.
Naturally that leads us to the 3rd requirement, Leading a Righteous Life. This is not an "optional" part but many people I know think it is. Being righteous isn't about being "good" according to your friends, family or society's definitions. It's about being God-Conscious, upholding and applying the Commandments, obeying God, and purifying ourselves. It's about responding and living a righteous life according to His teachings. I think this is where most of the world will and does fail. After all, there is a reason why God says most people, even those who say they believe, will not make it to Paradise. They fail to respond to Him and fail to become Righteous.
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Oh, and nice ad hominem fallacy/attack at the end of your post.
Actually your quoted words above is ad hominem fallacy, and interestingly you do it by using the term "ad hominem" itself. ;D
Just read previous posts to see who attacked persons and who presented arguments.
Very interesting is that you all see your 262 interpretation as unquestionable, irrefutable absolute truth although it clearly contradicts with the whole message of AQ. Whenever someone disproves it, your reactions are like
No, 262 is pretty clear
No, because the minimum requirement for paradise is belief in God, the last day, and good deeds.
No, since anyone who believes in God and the herafter is following the Koran whether he knows it or not.
So according to you, to prove your 262 interpretation, your 262 interpretation itself is sufficient. D And nothing can change this, even the very clear words of Allah.
very interesting indeed.
Btw, please go and ask the author of the article, how he explains 5822. D
peace
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Just my 2 cents, while I agree that "belief" in God, the Last Day and Leading a Righteous Life are minimum requirements, I think there is more to those things than first appear.
I don't think simple "belief" accounts or amounts to much at all. As described in Quran, those who acknowledge God will respond to Him and uphold and apply His commandments/teachings. Saying "I believe" but being a polytheist or associating partners with Him nullifies everything but also being a true monotheist and saying "I believe" but having apathetic indifference to His commandments for us is not a way to Paradise.
Belief in the Last Day means believing everything God says about it and what it is for. I have met many people who just think you die and then go to heaven. They just simply do not understand or believe in the Judgement part of it and that there is no intercession and that we are accountable for everything we have done in this life and that is simply a test. Not believing or understanding those parts of the Last Day usually leads people to lead less than righteous lives, so to speak. They don't believe they will be actually Judged for what they have done or didn't do in this life or have engaged in self deluding wishful thinking about what God cares about and what He requires us to do or strive to be like. Thus they actually are disbelieving in the Last Day, IMO.
Naturally that leads us to the 3rd requirement, Leading a Righteous Life. This is not an "optional" part but many people I know think it is. Being righteous isn't about being "good" according to your friends, family or society's definitions. It's about being God-Conscious, upholding and applying the Commandments, obeying God, and purifying ourselves. It's about responding and living a righteous life according to His teachings. I think this is where most of the world will and does fail. After all, there is a reason why God says most people, even those who say they believe, will not make it to Paradise. They fail to respond to Him and fail to become Righteous.
Salaam
Very well explained.
Jazakallah khair -
Actually your quoted words above is ad hominem fallacy, and interestingly you do it by using the term "ad hominem" itself. ;D
Very interesting is that you all see your 262 interpretation as unquestionable, irrefutable absolute truth although it clearly contradicts with the whole message of AQ. Whenever someone disproves it, your reactions are like
No, 262 is pretty clear
No, because the minimum requirement for paradise is belief in God, the last day, and good deeds.
No, since anyone who believes in God and the herafter is following the Koran whether he knows it or not.
So according to you, to prove your 262 interpretation, your 262 interpretation itself is sufficient. D And nothing can change this, even the very clear words of Allah.
Your argument had an ad hominem fallacy - not mine.
Btw, please go and ask the author of the article, how he explains 5822. D
You need to understand the concept of "kufr". Furthermore, "the messenger" refers to the messenger of each time and place and not only Muhammad. Your understanding of 5822, if I have understood correctly, is false. Ever heard of "the Day of Judgement" in Christianity? They do very well believe in being judged after this life. 262 CLEARLY points this out. You are just blind. If you want, contact the author of the article and see what he has to say about your claims and ask him your questions - he's Layth, the creator of this site.
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Peace,
262 Surely the "mumineen", and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.
319 The system with God is to peacefully surrender/submit (islam). Those who received the book did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. Whoever does not appreciate God's signs, then God is swift in computation.
By definition, a "muslim" (anyone who sumbits peacefully to God) is someone who believes in the Last Day. Moreover, a muslim is anyone who believes in God, the Last Day and does good work/reform. Those who uphold the Quran are the "mumineen".
There is a clear distinction
4914 The Nomads said "We believe." Say "You have not believed; but you should say 'We have submitted', for belief has not yet entered into your hearts." If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
You had the right idea except for a few things, but I just wanted to elaborate for the others to read. Please read the article that I posted earlier.
Peace,
I can't say I agree with you. And yes this is a late post. The believing in the last day as shown in 4914, doesn't always apply as those Nomads I believe were just entering the faith of monotheism from polytheism. They don't know of the last day afterall and were just recently told to call themselves muslims and listen to what the prophet states and decide from there. Thus no knowledge. Thus straight up belief in God is the minimum for calling yourself a muslim. Thus any monotheist can indeed fit into the catagory of muslim, but if they oppose God and are covering the truth then they are rather kaffirs. The more good they are, the better their rewards in the end would be I believe.You also had forgotten the part about angels being a requirement for a believer to believe other than just an addition of the Quran. As I said then you have a believer which is AT MINIMUM a belief in God, the Quran, angels, the Prophets, and the Day of Judgment. Just as previously said, if one opposes God and hides the truth then they are a kaffir. At this point they have a rule book known as the Quran that tells them what do and not do such as prayer as obligation and forbidding stuff like consumption of pork. If they follow it, then they are pretty good on the scale that can lead them to heaven, if they sin, then it can hurt their chances.
Interestingly enough those believers even with their belief may sin a lot cause of their weak desires and muslim who has done much good work in his life would have a far better chance. Thus even the title of believer isn't a complete safe haven.
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I don't think simple "belief" accounts or amounts to much at all. As described in Quran, those who acknowledge God will respond to Him and uphold and apply His commandments/teachings. Saying "I believe" but being a polytheist or associating partners with Him nullifies everything but also being a true monotheist and saying "I believe" but having apathetic indifference to His commandments for us is not a way to Paradise.
A polytheist who states he believes in one God when he doesn't is on the line of a hypocrite I believe. A monotheist simply muslim and one who believes in God, the Angel, The Quran, The Prophets and The Last Day is a believer.
While belief alone isn't what takes you to heaven, I am simply stating what I believe is what gives these two people their label. Rightousness comes next after one becomes either a muslim or believer and that is what one has to work on to go to heaven.
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Some have suggested that Muslim is a believer with a lower status than a Mumin. If that is the case then why the following Prophets desired to be one of the Muslimeen
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Prophet Noah (pbuh) asks for no reward from his people, he states that he is one of the Muslimeen (1072)
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Prophet Solomon's (pbuh) letter to Sheba requesting her in the name of the Lord to abandon her blasphemy and for her to surrender with her people and become one of the Muslimeen (2731)
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Prophet Solomon (pbuh) acknowledged his own state as being one of those of the 'Muslimeen' (2742)
All but one house from the people of Prophet Lot (pbuh) submitted to God (Muslimeen) (5136) -
Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was one who submitted to His Lord (Musliman) (367)
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Disciples of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) confirm that they submit to God (Muslimoon) (352)
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Prophet Joseph (pbuh) prays to his Lord to die as one who is a 'Musliman' (12101)
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Prophet Jacob's (pbuh) children at the point of his death professed that they submit to God (Muslimoon) (2133).
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Even the magicians of Pharaoh called themselves muslims once they had seen the signs given to Prophet Moses (pbuh) (7126)
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