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Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?

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    good_logic
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    Peace 357.

    God in the Koran condemns some " Yahood" for saying- GOD s hand is stingy-...How can they all have perfect guidance?

    Also There is no intercession according to the Koran, no one can save anyone else. How come Christ has saved the "Yahood"?

    Peace.

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      Peace 357.

      God in the Koran condemns some " Yahood" for saying- GOD s hand is stingy-...How can they all have perfect guidance?

      Also There is no intercession according to the Koran, no one can save anyone else. How come Christ has saved the "Yahood"?

      Peace.

      Of course Christ can't save them , but that is what they say and believe.

      But where does it say God is stingy?

      peace

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        Peace 357.

        564 The "Yahood" said " GOD s hand is tied down ( stingy)". It is their hands that are tied down. God has condemned them for saying such blasphemy... "

        Also you find "yahood " mentioned in 518 and 551 in a negative tone.

        Peace

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          Peace 357.

          564 The "Yahood" said " GOD s hand is tied down ( stingy)". It is their hands that are tied down. God has condemned them for saying such blasphemy... "

          Also you find "yahood " mentioned in 518 and 551 in a negative tone.

          Peace

          Why they are not a single communitee is ;

          582
          Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Yahud and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

          You can't single out a communitee like in this ayah, but you can single out the baddies in a comunitee.

          Now you need to check up the meaning of YAHuD, if you have the time in lanes or something under root Hud

          peace

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            good_logic
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            Peace 357.

            I did say " some". In every community there are those who believe and those who do not.

            " Yahud" those who have been saved . GOD saved them many times. But HE also warned them " If you return to your ways ( wicked ways) We go back to our punishment.

            I was only pointing this to you.
            Peace.

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              Peace 357.

              I did say " some". In every community there are those who believe and those who do not.

              " Yahud" those who have been saved . GOD saved them many times. But HE also warned them " If you return to your ways ( wicked ways) We go back to our punishment.

              I was only pointing this to you.
              Peace.

              Scholars and "bible experts" say the name Jew was only applied to the tribe of Judah (Yahudah in the Hebrew). So, Moses could not have been a Jew because he was from the tribe of Levi making him a Levite (NUM 2659). Those that were from the tribe of Yahudah, were known as Yahudites in Hebrew or Judahites in English, not Jews, and Yahudites only made up 1/12th of the nation of Israel.

              The word/name "JEW" is not a Hebrew word, it's English. There is no letter "J" or "J" equivalent in the Hebrew language. As a matter of fact, the letter "J" is one of the last letters to be added to the English alphabet. It was created in the 1600's in France, so there was not a letter "J" in existence during biblical times. In English, Jew means, those who practice a religion called Judaism. Since the ancient Hebrews didn't practice a religion called Judaism, the name Jew could not refer to the biblical children of Israel or their modern day descendants.

              The word "ISRAELI" is not mentioned in scripture. Israeli only refers to a citizen or resident living in the modern "STATE" of Israel. Israeli does not mean a descendant of Jacob, (Yaaqob in Hebrew) who's name was changed to Israel (Genesis 322. An Israeli and an Israelite are two different things.

              Neither can the word "SEMITE" be found in the bible. The biblical Israelites were Hebrews descendants from Shem, (Noah's son) through Abraham and through his son Isaac and through Isaac's son Jacob (Yaaqob / Israel). Israel had 12 sons who were all Hebrews (Deuteronomy 2913). Neither Noah, Abraham, Isaac nor Jacob gave birth to a son named Seme or Sem. This means that the Semites could not be descendants of Abraham, Isaac, or Israel. So, it follows that they could not be Israelites, according to scripture.

              There was never a tribe among the children of Israel called Sem or Semite. There were only twelve tribes of Israel

              REUBEN, SIMEON, LEVI, YAHUDAH, ZEBULON, ISSCAHAR, DAN, GAD, ASHER, NAPHTALI, JOSEPH, and BENJAMIN (Genesis 49.

              All twelve tribes were Hebrew Israelites, Hebrews because they were descendants of Abraham and Isaac, and Israelites because they also descended from Jacob who's name was change to Israel (Genesis 322.

              The Hebrews could be called Children of Shem to designate that they are descendants from Noah's son Shem, but not Semite, that not a proper term in reference to the Israelites.

              Semite is of relative recent origin. It comes from the 18th century (along with the word Jew). One of its uses was to designate those who spoke a certain language, such as Syrian, Hebrew, and Arabic. The name was given an extra meaning later, to include all those people who were "SUPPOSED" to be descendants of Noah's son Shem (not Sem). Over the years, Semite has come to mean Jew and Jew only. So, in modern day terminology Semite is synonymous with Jew or Jews.

              If the Jews are Semites, which they claim to be, this means they are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, which means they are not Israelites. Semite is a word made up by deceived men with little understanding of The Bible and should never be used in reference to the biblical Hebrew Israelites. It will only cause further confusion, to an already confused world, and since YHWH never refers to Israel as JEWS, ISRAELI OR SEMITE, we shouldn't either.

              http//www.hebrewisraelites.org/nationality.htm

              Yahudah ?Judah? was the Hebrew son of Isaac and Leah. The name Yahudah was derived from the Hebrew Yahdah spelled in strong?s concordance as yadah meaning to praise with the extended hand. It is a combination of two words Yah the name of the heavenly Father U meaning the people and dah which means to lift up or celebrate or the command ?Yah you praise?. Unfortunately the translators removed the prefix from the name Yah and substituted it with the King James Middle English ?J? thus making it Judah. Ultimately, Yahudah means praised or lift up you YAH. However, what does ?Judah? mean lift up or praised ?J? Selah! Who is J? Well let?s stick with its origin and Praise you Yah! Praise You Yah! HalleuYah!

              Note- since Yahudah is a name it should have remained in its pure form which gives it the true meaning void of any type of substitution. The name was changed primarily to suit a religious purpose.

              Understanding the Biblical Usage of the term Jew

              The children of the Yisrael were not called Jews only the southern Kingdom of Yisrael primarily the tribe of Yahudah ?Judah? could be called ?Jew? if you choose to utilize the Hellenistic substitution of Yahudah. Furthermore, after the sin of King Shelomoh ?Solomon?, the nation was divided into the Northern Yisrael (Yahrushalayim) and the southern Yahudah ?Judea?.

              1Ki 1131-32 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces for thus saith Yahwah, the Elohiym of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee (32) (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel

              Therefore, the usage of the term Jew to make reference to the whole nation of Yisrael is in accurate and erroneous since the particular term does not make reference to the other ten tribes. The ten tribes went into Assyrian captivity and never returned due to the acts of rebellion against the laws of Yahwah. See discussion on Esau?s revenge

              http//www.malakiyah.org/index_files/UnderstandingTheJews.htm

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                good_logic
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                Peace Bigmo.

                Thanks for that detailed piece of info.

                I agree as far as history goes with your definitions.
                Peace.

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                  mirjamnur
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                  Salam

                  I would like to take this opportunity to thank Bigmo for his detailed explanations of what the OT and NT is concerned. Thank you for sharing with us your knowledge! i learned to much from your posts. God may reward you! peace

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                    I wouldn't dare to say if there is a mistranslation or not, but actually I can't acept all ages jews were condemned. On the contrary I consider them monotheistic, and thus "muslims".
                    Sorry if I'm wrong. God knows more.

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                      Please visit to learn more

                      http//www.quransmessage.com/articles/people%20of%20the%20book%20FM3.htm

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