Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Nadeem,
it returns as a curved sheath (singular). so the new moon is basically the zero moon or the astronomical new moon, which is before the crescent. when there is no moon in the sky.
Have you ever seen a curved sheath?? It is certainly not invisible like the zero moon or even barely visible like the new moon crescent.
Also, the shape of the curved sheath can be either the waning crescent or the waxing crescent. How did you decide which one?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace everyone peace
I Just wanted to note that the Qurna states that in sura 9
The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts. Say, "Go ahead and mock. GOD will expose exactly what you are afraid of."(964)
"...They said, "Let us not mobilize in this heat!" Say, "The fire of Hell is much hotter," if they could only comprehend. (981)
"Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed...(2185)
Based on this evidence, can is it not rightfull to say that the "scorching hot" month is the month of ramadan
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Peace All,
I have just gone through this whole thread from when it started years back. Phew! What a fantastic read. Can anyone tell me the names of the 4 restricted months?
Peace.
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Salaam
The Qur'an enjoins those who witness the month of Ramadan to fast in it.
How does one witness a month? When you experience the day breaking and ending for around thirty/29 days. So those who live in the s/northern hemisphere do not witness some months, as the sun never sets or rises and so there is no distinct separation at dawn or towards night. This is a basic requirement for starting and ending fast and as one commentator said ? a common principle that any who suffers from impractibility, the relevant provision of law does not apply to him?
Best regards
faridasalam,
In the qur'an are signs for people who use their god given reasoning faculty.
If one asks how can one witness a month, then this person must continue asking other questions, such as how can one fast a full moon, or how can one fast while at work on the space station. Yet a better thoughtful question, how can believers fast someday while working on the moon itself.I mean no ills for anyone.
sincerely
khodr -
Peace everyone peace
I Just wanted to note that the Qurna states that in sura 9
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The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts. Say, "Go ahead and mock. GOD will expose exactly what you are afraid of."(964)Quote
"...They said, "Let us not mobilize in this heat!" Say, "The fire of Hell is much hotter," if they could only comprehend. (981)
Quote"Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed...(2185)
Based on this evidence, can is it not rightfull to say that the "scorching hot" month is the month of ramadandear youssef
was the Quran not revealed in stages? can we really conclude from the wording of Sura 9 that- something was really revealed because the subjunctive is used (The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts.)
- deduced from the fact that the entire Quran was sent down completely during Ramadan?
If this was so, then your conclusions are correct.
If he was not fully revealed in Ramadan, but over a longer period, then your conclusions are not correct and Ayman could be quite.
how the Koran was sent down? confused
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was the Quran not revealed in stages? can we really conclude from the wording of Sura 9 that
- something was really revealed because the subjunctive is used (The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts.)
- deduced from the fact that the entire Quran was sent down completely during Ramadan?
If this was so, then your conclusions are correct.
If he was not fully revealed in Ramadan, but over a longer period, then your conclusions are not correct and Ayman could be quite.
how the Koran was sent down? confused
I think that the key is to understand the difference between INZAL (happens during the night of measure/ the scorching full moon, which also happens during the hot time of the year) and TANZIL (happens gradually on the heart of the prophet). One can then see that the two complement each other and are not mutually exclusive. This was discussed previously in the forum.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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In Qur'an, Ramadaan is not used for a month but rather a category of 'Negatives of life' like 'Don'ts of life'. In human nature, the negative approaches such as self caring, non-factual, emotional, blind following, or thinking only of him/herself, family etc and not of collective life is where the problem is. With such approaches, it may not be devastating upfront, but collective human life suffers miserably when all is said and done. That's what was referred 'Ramadaan' as a category and was mentioned that Qur'an was brought forth for this category of approach since guidance is needed only where there are things that are not to be done. The objective was successful, progressive, bountiful, responsible, harmonious human life in this world.
Whenever, wherever you encounter that category, stay away (Saum) from it. If humans did not have that negatives in biological makeup, they would not need any guidance. So it was not any month of Ramadaan or fasting of food that Qur'an talked about. Its message was to address individual approach of life based on successful collective human life so that whatever we do in our individual capacity, it should be a very thought out approach based upon successful of collective human life. That's what is most difficult for human being.
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thank you very much.
where it was discussed?you can give me the link? or it's all in the' hot ramadan'?thank you for your help.It was discussed in several places in the forum.
In summary, the great reading was descended in two stages and two distinct veb forms are used ti denote both stages. The first stage is "inzal" in one night per year (laylatu al-qadr/shahr ramadan). The second stage is gradual "tanzil" to the prophet's heart by the spirit Gabriel (see 26192-195, 2532).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace everyone,
The scorching full-moon, which is the first full-moon after the summer solstice, will occur on the night of July 3rd, 2012. So fasting will begin on July 4th and last for 10 days until July 13th.
Peace and best wishes,
Ayman
Selam Ayman
Will this be the case for the northern hemisphere?
Peace
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Concerning the duration and timing of the fast following threads can be useful to read
duration http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600410.0
a fasting-period of three days - this year at 2th, 3th and 4th of July, might be most probable according to the literal reading of relevant verses, especially verse 2185
timing http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600827.0
the fasting is connected to the remembrance of the arrival of the Koran according to verse 2185, this is at the same time for the believers living on the northern and southern hemisphere, the -shahr ramadan- where the Koran arrived - in Arabia.
salaam,
TruthseekerDisclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.
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Way to confusing...Ill stick to Ramadan beginning on the fullmoon after summer solstice(July 3rd,2012) and fasting 30 days since from one fullmoon to the next is roughly 30 days. and The night of destiny ("laylat al-qadr",in the night of the full-moon of scorching heat which would be the 1st day/night of ramadan.
Some will argue that 2185 "let him abstain it" means the first day of the fullmoon,some will say its the whole 10 day period, and some will say the whole period of 30 days. This is my way of keeping it until I learn Ancient Arabic so I can read it myself, or until Allah shows me different. Peace. -
Peace all.
" Follow what is revealed to you from your Lord. Do not follow other idols beside HIM."
Whatever your understanding so far from reading/studying the Koran do it, and trust in your Creator to make things clear to you , as you progress through HIS trial.
Remember you are submitting and relying on your Lord Alone. Others , whether from this site and whatever they claim, are giving their views.
Keep checking with GOD Alone.
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good logic, good logic bravo
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Salaam JKRethland
It is a good approach to respect each others reading of the book, but may be the subject of the communal fast should not be confusing at all.
2278 ... It is He Who has elected you to carry the message and has placed no hardship in religion, the Creed of your father Abraham ...
- A fasting of 30 or 31 days during the hottest period of the year - I do not think this is compatible with verse 2278.
May be rich people who do not have to work hard during the daytime and have airco could fast without too much hardship a longer period of time, this is not so for the not so rich people.
2184 a limited number -ma'doodatin- of days ...
For the people who missed one or more days, they should fast other days and fulfill the count - a count until three is a count.
The central word is -ma'doodatin-, the duration of the fast and of the full moon.
The Koran is perfect and clear and gives the meaning of this word.2203 And remember Allah during numbered -ma'doodatin- days. Then whoever hastens in two days - there is no sin upon him; and whoever delays - there is no sin upon him...
From this verse we can learn that -ma'doodatin- is as a standard the number three.
324 That is because they say, "Never will the Fire touch us except for numbered -ma'doodatin- days," and they were deluded in their religion by what they were inventing.
This verse may relate to a possible mockery concerning the christian belief that the prophet Isa entered hell for a period of three days,
I can hardly imagine that one would say that one would accept to stay in the fire for a period of more than a few days - I do not think 30 or 31 is relevant here.
Anyway I wish you and other readers a blessed fasting period.
Salaam,
TruthseekerDisclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.
- A fasting of 30 or 31 days during the hottest period of the year - I do not think this is compatible with verse 2278.
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Concerning the duration and timing of the fast following threads can be useful to read
duration http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600410.0
a fasting-period of three days - this year at 2th, 3th and 4th of July, might be most probable according to the literal reading of relevant verses, especially verse 2185
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a fasting-period of three days - this year at 3th, 4th and 5th of July, might be most probable according to the literal reading of relevant verses, especially verse 2185.
These three days have a moon that is at least 98.5 percent visible.Salaam,
TruthseekerDisclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.
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Salaam TruthSeeker171,
We fasted in May 2012 on 5th, 6th and 7th because of the full moon on those three days during the hottest month D This was our second year that we fast three days in hottest month as per Allah's guidance. handshake
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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We fasted in May 2012 on 5th, 6th and 7th because of the full moon on those three days during the hottest month This was our second year that we fast three days in hottest month as per Allah's guidance.
Salaam Mmkhan
As far as I know the hottest month on the Northern Hemisphere is in general
continental climate - July, because of the summersolstice
maritime climate - August, because of the gradual warming of the sea during summer- of course there can be local differences.
But these differences over the world seem not to be relevant for the communal fast because of following
According to verse 2185, the fasting is linked to the arrival of the Quran, the fasting can be a celebration for the Guidance that has been received.
2185 The -shahr- (full moon) of Ramadan, in which the Quran was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, those of you who witness the -shahr- (full moon) shall fast therein. Whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God because He has guided you, that you may be thankful.
This is for me the main reason that all believers over the world can abstain at the same days all over the world - namely the full moon when the Quran has arrived, most probably that was the -scorching moon- in Arabia.
In Arabia the most reddish full moon, during the most hot period, is the first one after 21th of June, this year 3th,4th and 5th of July.Salaam,
TruthseekerDisclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.