Surah : 109 - Al-Kafirun
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Verb is Imperfect and in Indicative Mood. It signifies both present and future. Firstly it is present--the point in time of speaking. "I do not worship that which you people worship".
I knew where you were going Brother. You have not changed a bit. Which is the problem with us Muslims. Not changing from our ancestors ways. That is why I said this and you ignored it too.
Please remember it is a message from our Rabb, if one believes in it as such, not from a human. If one agrees on this much. It can not and should not be translated as.
I will no not worship, what you are worshiping.
I do not know what are you talking about now? After the negative the imperfect retains its general idea of incompleteness and duration.
he went out not knowing. This is a perfectly okay sentence in Arabic. Worship is a verb and it is a noun in it's meaning as well as a concept. I thought you may have changed and may be we could join hands to bring this book to its real meanings. But it seems you will not leave your ancestors path. May still our Rabb bless you with light some day.
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I knew where you were going Brother. You have not changed a bit. Which is the problem with us Muslims. Not changing from our ancestors ways. That is why I said this and you ignored it too.
I do not know what are you talking about now? After the negative the imperfect retains its general idea of incompleteness and duration.
he went out not knowing. This is a perfectly okay sentence in Arabic. Worship is a verb and it is a noun in it's meaning as well as a concept. But I know you will not leave your ancestors path. May still our Rabb bless you with light some day.
When reason and logic is exhausted such comments are generally given.
Why equate Transitive Verb with intransitive verb? In the Ayah both verbs are transitive needing an object to complete the statement. Otherwise it is incomplete and lacking meanings statement. Attend that aspect. We are simply attending the words before us not ancestors path.
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4913 O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.I don't see mentioning of Arabs in this aayat.
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6125 So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allah place defilement upon those who do not believe.Either no mention of Arabs here.
And many many many more aayaats are there. Do not fix understanding of AlQuraan just to the Arabs, Allah made it guidance for the mankind 2185
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That is not the point. Qur'aan is for humanity, but this too is the fact that it is in Arabic. Remove the translation and then let me know how you understand the Qur'aan without learning Arabic?
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Worship is a verb and it is a noun in it's meaning as well as a concept.
In your zeal you have again ignored above. If a word is a verb as well it can also carry a concept of noun. It should not need an object to convey the meanings. This word not only conveys these both meanings in Arabic, but in other languages that I know as well. In English for your reminder see link below.
http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship
In Urdu, you should be very fimiliar with word "Ibadat" is a verb as well noun.
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In your zeal you have again ignored above. If a word is a verb as well it can also carry a concept of noun. It should not need an object to convey the meanings. This word not only conveys these both meanings in Arabic, but in other languages that I know as well. In English for your reminder see link below.
http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship
In Urdu, you should be very fimiliar with word "Ibadat" is a verb as well noun.
Noun and a Verb are two distinct entities. A verb is derived from the Verbal Noun/Infinitive, pl see again
Verb Imperfect; First Person; Singular; Mood Indicative; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun,Verbs are words which naturally govern their subjects in an expression. A transitive verb requires another word, i.e. its object, in order to complete its meanings. Without mentioning the object, the sentence's meaning is defective.
Moreover, you are naively forgetting that the word in itself is a relational word--indicating a relationship between two entities-persons.
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Noun and a Verb are two distinct entities. A verb is derived from the Verbal Noun/Infinitive, pl see again
Verb Imperfect; First Person; Singular; Mood Indicative; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun,No these are not as distinct as you claim, especially in relation with Arabic. You need to study language as a science, in addition to Arabic grammar and lexicon.
Moreover, you are naively forgetting that the word in itself is a relational word--indicating a relationship between two entities-persons.
Again incorrect you are thinking based upon your preconceived understanding. Who should or would Rabb need to pray to? Remember this is a message from our Rabb not the messenger. If you believe, it is a message from Rabb. He only needs to say "I do not worship" period. Does he need to relate to anything? If so who do you think he should?
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Peace bkanwar2.
Every time anyone answers with something you disagree with , you say quote" Preconceived understanding".
Unless they understand your way, you are always going to use that argument.
Quote again- Who should or would Rabb need to pray to? Remember this is a message from our Rabb not the messenger. If you believe, it is a message from Rabb.
"Rabb" is asking you to say " Kul". HE is not saying it Himself like you are claiming in your explanation.
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"Rabb" is asking you to say " Kul". HE is not saying it Himself like you are claiming in your explanation.
Peace.Surah 109 2
Peace good logic checked few times this verse again. Am I, missing something no "kul" in this verse or that mater whole of this Sura anywhere, in all Qurans that I have. Please share one where you see it written.
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Surah 109 2
Peace good logic checked few times this verse again. Am I, missing something no "kul" in this verse or that mater whole of this Sura anywhere, in all Qurans that I have. Please share one where you see it written.
This sentence is the Object of Imperative Verb "Qul", translated by Bk "think and express". This is that which is being expressed in compliance to the command.
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This sentence is the Object of Imperative Verb "Qul", translated by Bk "think and express". This is that which is being expressed in compliance to the command.
Is above your best answer Brother Mazhar, to the following?
Again incorrect you are thinking based upon your preconceived understanding. Who should or would Rabb need to pray to? Remember this is a message from our Rabb not the messenger. If you believe, it is a message from Rabb. He only needs to say "I do not worship" period. Does he need to relate to anything? If so who do you think he should?
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Peace bkamwar2.
The word "Kul" at the beginning of that chapter means The whole chapter . You do not put " Kul" in front of every verse.
God is asking you to Say to " Al-Kafirun" everything written in the chapter. No need to keep repeating "Kul" every verse.
Unless you are inventing a new Arabic, It is "Kul" to all the verses.
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Peace bkamwar2.
The word "Kul" at the beginning of that chapter means The whole chapter . You do not put " Kul" in front of every verse.
God is asking you to Say to " Al-Kafirun" everything written in the chapter. No need to keep repeating "Kul" every verse.
Unless you are inventing a new Arabic, It is "Kul" to all the verses.
Peace.Peace good logic
I am sure you are going to tell that same unseen force that makes you understand Quran without understanding the language or thinking has told you above. -
Peace bkamwar2.
The word "Kul" at the beginning of that chapter means The whole chapter . You do not put " Kul" in front of every verse.
God is asking you to Say to " Al-Kafirun" everything written in the chapter. No need to keep repeating "Kul" every verse.
Unless you are inventing a new Arabic, It is "Kul" to all the verses.
Peace.good logic furthermore,
Just for your information and it may be a revelation for you. The division of Quranic text into verses and suras, is much later introduction into Quranic text. It was never in it originally.
Before you get more excited, below is the link to one of the earliest available Quran in public domain to confirm my statement. However, you remain free to deny this as Quran.
http//goldkoran.mse.jhu.edu/htdocs/mrsid/Koran/index.pl?pagenum=2
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Peace bkanwar.
If you have a different understanding from your- unseen force- bring it forth.
We can then discuss and compare .
May the one and only unseen force, the Creator. guide us to HIS truth.
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Peace bkanwar.
If you have a different understanding from your- unseen force- bring it forth.
We can then discuss and compare .
May the one and only unseen force, the Creator. guide us to HIS truth.
Peace.I think Badar is already guided to HIS truth
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peace,
I might be wrong since i don't know arabic. In quran when it's about ''God'' there is generally ''we''.
And in 1096
Why did God say this
For you all are your habits and customs, and FOR me are my habits and customs.habits and customs are for us, not for God.
May Allah guide us to true path peace peace
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Peace zeynep.
At the beginning of there is " Kul". GOD is asking us to " Say" . It is the believer/reader that is saying" For you all are your habits and customs, and FOR me are my habits and customs".
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And in 1096
Why did God say this
For you all are your habits and customs, and FOR me are my habits and customs.habits and customs are for us, not for God.
May Allah guide us to true path peace peaceIt's Lakum Dienukum waliya Dien..
It's not 'habits / customs'.. Dien is judgement/attitude/perception/opinion (towards something)..This is just a reiteration of the La Ikraha Fiddin (2256)..
There are no compulsory in opinion/judgement/perception/attitude (towards something).. as truth stands out clear from BS..And Kafirun is not 'disbeliever' Kafirun are those who are trying to cover / hide the truth.. (due to some interest / gain that they received from the lies spread out in the society)..
Hear ye all who tries to cover and hide the truth..
I'm not serving what you serve..
And neither you serving of what I serve..
And neither I am a servant of what you serve..
And neither you're servant of what I serve..
To you your own opinion/judgement/perception and to me mine..Salam / Peace
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Peace Jafar.
I would agree with your translation except at the beginning. Instead of " Hear ye" I would put " Say to"
ie Say to all who.....
Peace.