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Why is Rashad Khalifa wrong?

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    mmkhan
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    Why do most people who even believe in Qur'an 'only'...even say things like they hate him. I want to learn!!! PLEASE HELP.

    Salaam,

    I will tell you my stand about Rashad.

    1- I never hate him but I don't believe him being a messenger because he removed two aayaats out of AlQuraan. Messenger should confirm the scripture what is in hands.

    2- There might be many messengers beside him, so no wonder.

    3- Messenger's duty is to bring people near to their TheCreator, invite people to Allah . So, even if he was a messenger we don't have to do anything with him.

    May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
    mmKhan

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      mirjamnur
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      Salaam,

      I will tell you my stand about Rashad.

      1- I never hate him but I don't believe him being a messenger because he removed two aayaats out of AlQuraan. Messenger should confirm the scripture what is in hands.

      2- There might be many messengers beside him, so no wonder.

      3- Messenger's duty is to bring people near to their TheCreator, invite people to Allah . So, even if he was a messenger we don't have to do anything with him.

      May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
      mmKhan

      well said. i like it )

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        Mazhar
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        Mod please----This might be confined to 19er cell.

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          good_logic
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          Peace Nevasheva.
          I have two parts for my answer.

          PART 1-- I do believe Rashad was a messenger because of the following

          He called to GOD Alone and to only follow Qoran ( As far as what he was allowed to understand ; I will explain this in part 2)

          He stayed loyal to GOD insisting all hadith and sunna were innovations and made up laws ,even risking his life.

          He never asked for money or favours from anyone. He was devoted to serving the cause of GOD.

          So many verses in the Qoran point to his messengership.

          PART 2-- I believe GOD tests the believers ,especially when HE sends new prophet/ messenger for the following reasons

          To see if they support the messenger when he is among them.

          To see if they follow" GOD Alone" after his death.

          Coming back to my point " What Rashad was allowed to understand"

          I believe the Qoran is for all generation and only GOD is able to explain it. Different generations have understood different things according to what GOD allows. The main message is " Submission and total loyalty to GOD Alone"this rule is consistent and never changes other rules, rites are not important, hence GOD tests the loyalty of the believers .

          So as a human being , Rashad made mistakes, but he was sincere in trying his best.
          I believe GOD allowed him to find the proof of the Qoran as well as the understanding of many science verses.

          Peace.

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            Bigmo
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            Peace Nevasheva.
            I have two parts for my answer.

            PART 1-- I do believe Rashad was a messenger because of the following

            He called to GOD Alone and to only follow Qoran ( As far as what he was allowed to understand ; I will explain this in part 2)

            He stayed loyal to GOD insisting all hadith and sunna were innovations and made up laws ,even risking his life.

            He never asked for money or favours from anyone. He was devoted to serving the cause of GOD.

            So many verses in the Qoran point to his messengership.

            PART 2-- I believe GOD tests the believers ,especially when HE sends new prophet/ messenger for the following reasons

            To see if they support the messenger when he is among them.

            To see if they follow" GOD Alone" after his death.

            Coming back to my point " What Rashad was allowed to understand"

            I believe the Qoran is for all generation and only GOD is able to explain it. Different generations have understood different things according to what GOD allows. The main message is " Submission and total loyalty to GOD Alone"this rule is consistent and never changes other rules, rites are not important, hence GOD tests the loyalty of the believers .

            So as a human being , Rashad made mistakes, but he was sincere in trying his best.
            I believe GOD allowed him to find the proof of the Qoran as well as the understanding of many science verses.

            Peace.

            "So many verses in the Qoran point to his messengership"

            Which verses are that?

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              lordfox
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              1- I never hate him but I don't believe him being a messenger because he removed two aayaats out of AlQuraan. Messenger should confirm the scripture what is in hands.

              If you use that argument, they will simply reply that it is was a purification of the book. Rather, bring forth the fact that he claimed to know the exact date of the end of times, and even wrote an essay on it, while the Quran clearly states that no one but Allah knows it.

              Furthermore, good logic says that R.K rejected all hadiths, which is nothing but a lie. As R.K saw "salat" as a structured form of prayer, he based it upon hadiths that were thought to be preserved from the time of the messenger Abraham.

              None of these terms is explained in the Quran, not because the Quran is NOT complete, but because God already taught us that all these rituals are to be inherited and learned from previous generations and are well known to them. All rituals should be devoted to GOD ALONE. Most of these practices are universally accepted.

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                good_logic
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                Peace Bigmo.

                OK. Here we go. Let me start by saying I believe 381 refers to a messenger after Muhammed. Then you have

                64-- 1587-- 2366--2367--2369--2782--3714--3737--542...and so many more( if you want more) like

                " Well educated but crazy" verse and " We have given you the seven pairs and the great Qoran..."
                Peace.

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                  good_logic
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                  Peace lordfox.

                  If Rashad based salat on hadith, why did he correct how to pray?

                  Do you mean there is no salat in the Qoran?

                  The Qoran may not give the number of salat as 5 , but where does it say you cannot pray 5 times?

                  It clearly says devote your prayer to GOD Alone and he did that.

                  I do not lie deliberately. I fear my Lord. We are all accountable.
                  Peace.

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                    es
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                    Good logic,

                    I feel sorry for you. All you ever seem to do is type the same old references and say the same old things over and over again. I'm not taking the mick, by the way.

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                      es
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                      Qoran, eh? I like that, good logic. I might just take your lead on that one. O0

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                        lordfox
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                        Peace lordfox.

                        If Rashad based salat on hadith, why did he correct how to pray?

                        Do you mean there is no salat in the Qoran?

                        The Qoran may not give the number of salat as 5 , but where does it say you cannot pray 5 times?

                        It clearly says devote your prayer to GOD Alone and he did that.

                        I do not lie deliberately. I fear my Lord. We are all accountable.
                        Peace.

                        I don't think you understood what I said. R.K did not base his salat on utterances that were supposedly said by Muhammad, but rather on hadiths that are thought to be transmitted generation to generation, from Abraham.

                        I am not really interested in discussing the matter with you, personally I am convinced that R.K was not a messenger, I have written numerous essays in French detailing all of the arguments against him and his cult, obviously, you are very much attached to him and his teachings, so I will let you be, I can only wish you luck.

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                          good_logic
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                          Peace lordfox.

                          I am attached to my creator.

                          GOD ALONE will suffice for me.

                          I am a believer. I believe in GOD, HIS Angels, HIS scriptures, HIS messengers, I do not make any distinction between any of HIS messengers.
                          I hear and I obey ( my Lord).
                          Peace.

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                            Kaiokenred
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                            Peace lordfox.

                            I am attached to my creator.

                            GOD ALONE will suffice for me.

                            I am a believer. I believe in GOD, HIS Angels, HIS scriptures, HIS messengers, I do not make any distinction between any of HIS messengers.
                            I hear and I obey ( my Lord).
                            Peace.

                            How can you be attached to your creator when your creator says there is no god whatsoever?

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                              Carlee
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                              Kaiokenred...please elaborate on that since I'm interested, as I believe there's no god (the kind the monotheistic religions claim exists) basically.

                              Peace.

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                                good_logic
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                                Peace Kaiokenred.

                                HE is the light and I am the servant.

                                Is that fine with you?

                                May HE guide you to the truth.
                                Peace.

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                                  lordfox
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                                  Peace Kaiokenred.

                                  HE is the light and I am the servant.

                                  Is that fine with you?

                                  May HE guide you to the truth.
                                  Peace.

                                  Nice joke (servant of the light).

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                                    Kaiokenred
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                                    Kaiokenred...please elaborate on that since I'm interested, as I believe there's no god (the kind the monotheistic religions claim exists) basically.

                                    Peace.

                                    You're off to read something interesting then if you read articles here www.servantofthelight.com

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                                      Kaiokenred
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                                      Peace Kaiokenred.

                                      HE is the light and I am the servant.

                                      Is that fine with you?

                                      May HE guide you to the truth.
                                      Peace.

                                      That's pretty much better and more correct

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                                        es
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                                        Let's just wait until jafar starts posting, then it'll get right interesting.

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                                          Carlee
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                                          I'm gonna have to agree way more with this light business and that there isn't a god - spent the last 1 to 1.5 hours reading one of the articles on that page. Pretty interesting. The Arabic phrase "la ilaaha illallah" actually means "there's no god but the one who is not god"! Again, VERY interesting (and I agree, for the most part).

                                          brofist

                                          P.S. es is pretty. P

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