I renounced my faith in the divinity of the Qur'an today
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I might ask you to apologize to me for the insult of saying I am blind and deaf! I expect fair play and good manners even from Muslims!
I do not allow you to judge my studies of the Quran by what I post!
And, being proficient in several languages, I've read the Quran many, many times, and listened to chanting of it in Arabic, too.If I was not born Arab-speaking, does it mean that god cannot talk to me "directly"?
Besides, what are you trying to prove?
Who are you trying to convince to what?
Does Quran need your defense? Does God?The only thing I do agree with you is that it is a serous matter!
Peace
peaceThan what are you doing in a Quranist forum? If you don't believe in the Quran and are not interested in it than why are you here? I don't understand people coming here telling us they lost faith and stuff. Do you want us to convince you otherwise? Or do you expect that maybe you can convince some here to do the same you did? I am not sure what are you gaining here if not to some how provoke people.
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Than what are you doing in a Quranist forum? If you don't believe in the Quran and are not interested in it than why are you here? I don't understand people coming here telling us they lost faith and stuff. Do you want us to convince you otherwise? Or do you expect that maybe you can convince some here to do the same you did? I am not sure what are you gaining here if not to some how provoke people.
Why are you angry ? You're starting to act as the religious sunnis when they find out that someone has left their religion. Perhaps you are of the purified, and never felt that you were losing belief in your present spirituality, even though, let the others doubt, for it is part of the path. They are bringing up their concerns and doubts, you should, instead of posting such, answer and explain all of their questions if you can.
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Than what are you doing in a Quranist forum? If you don't believe in the Quran and are not interested in it than why are you here? I don't understand people coming here telling us they lost faith and stuff. Do you want us to convince you otherwise? Or do you expect that maybe you can convince some here to do the same you did? I am not sure what are you gaining here if not to some how provoke people.
Prior experience with such suggests it may be for venting (disillusionment, anger, disappointment etc) , for support (who else is with me?), for an audience/attention while making an announcement (hear ye all)...or a mixture. Very rarely is it that such involves a change of heart (yet again) back to more familiar roads so to say or an acknowledgement of errors/lack of information etc at the time. Usually people don't (shouldn't) make such decisions on the spur of the moment, and it takes time and willingness to keep searching/analysing during which it is possible that they may realise what/where they went wrong and things fall into place and/or find a different road that may or not be better for them etc. I agree however that after a round of the usual, it's best to part ways. Some don't
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Salaam,
Thanks for sharing these "contraditions" and "problems" in The Quran.
I am not sure if you can read arabic characters, if you can then please read the verses again. Half of the things you mentioned is simply because of bad translations. Allah uses precise words, while in translations you can have 10 different translations for 1 arabic word or they translate 10 different arabic words in 1 way.
The other half of the problem is that you use hadiths and other sources besides The Quran to understand The Quran. I know you don't do this on purpose as this still effects all of us in some way without noticing it even when we claim that we are Quran alone.Please try to take a fresh look on it. Just start over again but this time with a clear mind, thus without hadith understandings and other sources.
If you can't read the arabic characters and you are to lazy to to learn the arabic letters then a transliteration is more then enough.Salaam,
BenderWHAT?!
When did I ever say I use the sunnah or hadith to understand the Qur'an?! I've always been an outright opponent of hadith literature and the idolatry of the Sunnah. Why else do you think I've been a member of this for years? What an insane and inaccurate assumption about me...
Also quite funny because I was enamored by Sufi literature as a convert and love all of the Sufi concepts of universalism, oneness with God, dhikr, etc.
Next, I don't speak Arabic! You're calling me lazy because I wasn't born in an Arabic speaking country?! What an ignorant insult. You're exercising the same air of Arabic superiority that the Sunnis practice. First off, it makes no sense for me to read a transliteration (which I have) because I don't understand the words. Second, you're telling me that God only wants his revelation for all mankind over all time periods to be understood by 7th century Arabs! Even those who speak Arabic likely don't fully grasp the full meanings of the classical Arabic used in the Qur'an so I guess we should all give up on salvation according to you.
Apparently the Creator of the entire universe for some reason or another, either could not or would not create a book that would translate clearly and concisely no matter which language you speak. Only 17% of the 3 billion Muslims on this planet speak Arabic as a native language.
Also I highly doubt that Arabic speakers all understand EVERY single word of Al-Qur'an in the same exact way even though they all speak the language because when they mentally internalize it likely takes a slightly different meaning to all of them.
You are using the typical Sunni arguments for someone who doesn't understand Al-Qur'an in the same exact way they expect.
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You don't understand Arabic so you're not qualified to understand, question, or criticize.
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You don't read it in the proper context.
As for how my contradictions were wrong, maybe there were. I can only read and try to understand and use my human reason. Logically many of the premises of the Abrahamic faiths in general has lost a lot of color and substance to me however. I wish for Islam to be true and I embraced it fully so why would God make me a disbeliever? Do you not acknowledge that it is only through His will that I can believe?
A very wise post indeed.
In this thread we see a very marked & common outcome of Sunni-ism's overruling of Sufi-ism. It's amazing how a struggle from back then is still sending shockwaves here and now. What do I mean by that? Had sufism been the dominant sect then most people would have approached God experientally rather than trying to logically piece together things. The problem with the logical approach is that incomplete information but perfect logic leads to grievously harmful conclusions as demonstrated in this thread.
We can never really know enough to say much. Had the OP and others approached their 'islam' from the meditative side they may have perhaps noticed God within themselves. From that side it is much easier to then fill in the logical aspects remaining aware of the incompleteness of one's knowledge and all the while the experiential evidence of God's presence alone is enough to keep doubt from gripping so hard it breaks the rope that God extends to a soul. How strange seeing people deny something that I could not dispute if I tried purely because my experience alone could not lie to me, to go against that would be to deny that which I am and to do that would be like closing my eyes and pretending I had never seen.
Or by analogy, to catch a glimpse of the finished puzzle thusly knowing that the pieces I have will fit, merely a matter of when.
This is pure foolishness. I was more a student of Sufi philosophy than any other school of thought. I've never once been a Sunni and have always outright rejected them.
I "experienced God" many times and on many different levels. So much so that if you would have asked me 2 months ago how real God was not only would I say that God is real, I would say he is in fact more real than me standing before you!
But I have to be reasonable and open in accepting that MAYBE I'm creating the experience of God in my mind and so I decided to take a step back from just my "feelings" and "experience" and be objective, logical, and reasonable in whether or not my beliefs were VALID.
If Islam is not the enemy of logic and reason, and it invites questioning then this type of experiment should not be a problem. But apparently it was a problem for me because I have not recovered from my doubt.
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Prior experience with such suggests it may be for venting (disillusionment, anger, disappointment etc) , for support (who else is with me?), for an audience/attention while making an announcement (hear ye all)...or a mixture. Very rarely is it that such involves a change of heart (yet again) back to more familiar roads so to say or an acknowledgement of errors/lack of information etc at the time. Usually people don't (shouldn't) make such decisions on the spur of the moment, and it takes time and willingness to keep searching/analysing during which it is possible that they may realise what/where they went wrong and things fall into place and/or find a different road that may or not be better for them etc. I agree however that after a round of the usual, it's best to part ways. Some don't
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My admiration for you @Faithful-Jinn only increases after each of your posts and answers to members!
I was also very much imbedded in Sufism, and quite eagerly and seriously though, but realized that a subjective hippie "oceanic" feeling of "god inside" is not enough, except for narcissistic ego-trips of delusional people who take religion as a substitute for so many things.
Some answers and opinions on this thread from people without tolerance is just amazing...
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Why are you angry ? You're starting to act as the religious sunnis when they find out that someone has left their religion. Perhaps you are of the purified, and never felt that you were losing belief in your present spirituality, even though, let the others doubt, for it is part of the path. They are bringing up their concerns and doubts, you should, instead of posting such, answer and explain all of their questions if you can.
I am not angry. He can doubt all he wants. But what exactly is he doing here? And why should I answer their questions if they are not going to be interested. He obviously left the faith and decided to do so. What exactly he is doing in a Quranist forum beats me. We are told in the Quran to avoid people who are not interested. I still believe the goal here is to try to persuade us out of the faith or else why will he be here. If he wanted us to answer question he would have done it before not after he lost faith. I have seen this before. He will simply take the interpretation that will justify his decision. I hate wasting time and wasting other people's time. There are many atheist forums where he can have people who share his views. But what is he doing here? If I lost faith and decided to do so I will not want to debate those who believe in scriptures. What for? Its like people like that are bothered that others have faith and want to give them a hard time by arguing back and forth.
We shall see his intention.
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I am not angry. He can doubt all he wants. But what exactly is he doing here? And why should I answer their questions if they are not going to be interested. He obviously left the faith and decided to do so. What exactly he is doing in a Quranist forum beats me. We are told in the Quran to avoid people who are not interested. I still believe the goal here is to try to persuade us out of the faith or else why will he be here. If he wanted us to answer question he would have done it before not after he lost faith. I have seen this before. He will simply take the interpretation that will justify his decision. I hate wasting time and wasting other people's time. There are many atheist forums where he can have people who share his views. But what is he doing here? If I lost faith and decided to do so I will not want to debate those who believe in scriptures. What for? Its like people like that are bothered that others have faith and want to give them a hard time by arguing back and forth.
We shall see his intention.
I didn't know when I would lose my faith. It just happened 2 days ago. Should I have told myself not to stop believing until I checked in with the almighty Bigmo and my other compatriots here at free-minds? What a ridiculous and asinine statement to make. And for your information I made a topic about how I was becoming doubtful of the divinity of the Qur'an about 1-2 weeks ago on the Quranic divinity section so that makes your statement all the more ignorant.
I don't care what you believe I'm simply sharing my own thoughts and views with like minded people. I thought this forum was for everyone be they Jews, Muslims, Christians, agnostics, and atheists to discuss religious and theological issues concerning the Qur'an and God alone. Apparently I've been on the wrong forum for the past 2-3 years.
It seems you are the one who is being close minded and uninterested here. I want to debate because I practiced God alone Islam for years in my life so of course I would discuss my deconversion with other like minded people. Perhaps I was wrong or made a mistake and someone can provide me with evidence to change my mind or perhaps my reasoning is valid and I can help other people find truth.
The way you're stating your position it seems you don't think anyone with conflicting views should be on this forum and you seem like an angry child who doesn't want to play with the other kids who don't follow his rules.
Judging by your reaction alone I would have to conclude that religion truly is an enemy to difficult questions, logical thought, critical thinking, and open discussion. I came here not to offend anyone or waste anyone's time but to share my own ideas and thoughts. Apparently you find some part of that offensive. I seek only knowledge and truth.
If you don't like wasting your time then leave my topic. I didn't force you to post here.
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God does say in the Koran (can't think of the verses) that there are those who will come to believe and then turn to disbelief like faithful-jinn.
Bigmo - let people denounce or announce. reading such posts may actually lead some to see and understand the Koran. it is one thing to read a verse in the koran and then it is another to actually witness. for me, it validates what God says as i read this thread about people believing and disbelieving.
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God does say in the Koran (can't think of the verses) that there are those who will come to believe and then turn to disbelief like faithful-jinn.
Bigmo - let people denounce or announce. reading such posts may actually lead some to see and understand the Koran. it is one thing to read a verse in the koran and then it is another to actually witness. for me, it validates what God says as i read this thread about people believing and disbelieving.
Correct. God does say that. Despite the Qur'an also establishing that God is in control of who believes and disbelieves and guides only whom He wills in the verses I cited earlier. I cannot go against the will of Allah according to the Qur'an yet Allah will punish every single human being whom He Himself has decreed should not believe in Him.
Nobody believes in Allah except by His will (10100). We are either destined for hell or destined for heaven and God is in control of this for it is all written in a book with Him. So if you believe it's only because Allah MADE you believe and if you disbelieve it is because Allah MADE you disbelieve yet one gets infinite reward and another gets infinite punishment.
Does that make any sense?
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Despite how much I want to believe that the Qur'an and Islam are true, I must be honest with myself.
Why do you want to believe in labels that are inherently untrue? There is no such meaningless things as Qur'an and Islam to begin with. Maybe when you learn their simple common meaning and you are able to do the simple task of translating them then you can be really honest with yourself.
Peace,
Ayman
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Why do you want to believe in labels that are inherently untrue? There is no such meaningless things as Qur'an and Islam to begin with. Maybe when you learn their simple common meaning and you are able to do the simple task of translating them then you can be really honest with yourself.
Peace,
Ayman
More appeals to translation. I know the concept of Islam. All things animate and inanimate from the clouds to the animal kingdom to mankind submits to the Creator, willingly or unwillingly.
That's just a nice idea though. In reality there is nothing to submit to because the basis for this idea is that the Qur'an tells me this and the only reason to listen to the Qur'an is its claim to be the direct word of God.
Once it is understood though that the Qur'an is not in fact the word of God, then I have no reason to believe in submission or pleasing some external universal force that reads my thoughts, feels my emotions, listens to me and watches me 24/7 so He can judge me when I die.
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Peace Faithful-Jinn.
What are you trying to run away from? And where are you escaping to?
Wishful thinking. Will your problems be solved?
My last reply to " nevasheva" in the topic " Was Rashad Khalifa wrong" also applies here.
Please reflect.
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Peace Faithful-Jinn.
What are you trying to run away from? And where are you escaping to?
Wishful thinking. Will your problems be solved?
My last reply to " nevasheva" in the topic " Was Rashad Khalifa wrong" also applies here.
Please reflect.
Peace.Your post doesn't really say much of anything about anything to be honest but I'll respond to your sentences with question marks.
I'm running from nothing and I'm not escaping to anything.
What problems?
I'm not searching the other topic for your statements just post them here.
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Faithfull Jin, I understand your difficulty with understanding what it does it mean to have your fate sealed, but still be condemned to it....I am trying to understand the philosophy of that as well....
But....I still have this feeling...that God is talking and knows how we react kinda thing...I don't know what I am trying to say...I mean...I think an ingredient of submitting to God...is to understand that if God wants to reject your hard work, it should be still acceptable to you...because he is your creator your master...according to the Qur'an, and I think this theme is in the bible too, depending on which testament, or who you are talking to I guess....is that God's mercy is the main element that we are depending on. So he is saying that and he knows that if you are not willing to accept that then you are not a submitter. You think you can tell God what to do.
And honestly I think God is the entity that can do whatever he pleases, so I don't get the 'that doesn't sound like a just and merciful God' argument.
However the idea of that fate is sealed, I can't really see that in the Qur'an yet but it is out there, but I am having difficulty understanding on what am I supposed to be doing with that idea...if I am meant to be a doctor, and its already written, it doesn't matter what I do...I can just sit home and say...what God wills will happen and play videogames, I do not need to do anything kinda thing...that is another problem I had with R.K his whole session about how everything is in God's controll, it won't happen because you will/do anything....I am not sure...what...is the full scope on that yet my self.
because I don't believe that justice or mercy, is something that humans can define easily. Justice might be no you don't deserve that liver, cause you drank alcohol and ruined it, you don't deserve it, but that's not how people would like medicine to be, they'd prefer that medicine treats you no matter what wrongs you do by your own choice. They'd say who do you think you are to tell me what I deserve, and what I do not. What is your problem if you have the cure to my problem, thats what its for. Why do you want to see me suffer!.
Morality is subjective in my world...I don't believe in humans abilities in deciding the perfect moral system...in fact religion calls to things that are....selfless....which...doesn't make sense...if we want to use logic for morality....Starting with something as hated as murder, it makes sense if I am worried about someone competing with me, or harming me...to just dispose of him....or oppress them...or make them think I am God. Which is not what Islam had...it had the no one is your God...you do not answer to anyone but me God, who is not here so we are all in the same boat...so why would...this be a lie with a certain motive...?
However I understand your frustration with arabic as I am an arabic speaker my self, and official arabic is even hard for arabs themselves...so...I understand also the feeling of why is the Qur'an so complicated to access then...but first of all...even if you know the language...doesn't mean you will read the Qur'an...like what you read...or...bother to invest time to reflect on the meaning of it. I think the strive for God is (I THINK) is the most difficult of all knowledge....and that it is a collective of so many things....even dare I say aside from the Qur'an its self.
Also on the subject of why is God being ambiguous in the Qur'an....in the Qur'an...again it could be just me...i read a lot of verses about God stating that I won't succumb to the 'prove it do something Magnificent' because whenever I do, you still disbelief and find cracks...which is...a habit I can see in my self even. Old habits die hard kinda thing, even health wise (sorry I have a medicine education), doctors, anyone who knows for a fact!!! that smoking causes cancer, doesn't stop him from smoking, from eating certain bad things. There is something about human nature that is very flawed, and the Qur'an speaks it out, rather than playing the 'humanism' is the best thing that is on earth.
I think Faithful-Jin you announced this, here...because you are frustrated your self about that decision, and maybe you want to be persuaded otherwise...to take your self out of your self, and hear why are you so wrong about it.
I can't say I can really help you with that....all I can say is....knowledge...is a very difficult thing to attain, regardless wither it is about God or not...so many people taint the truth...for as petty reasons as just not wanting to admit they don't know so they say something to fill their arrogance instead, to as vile of reasons as making money, and promoting power status. It is not the God element that is the problem..any department of knowledge has been abused and used in a bad way. Explosives were not invented to kill people kinda thing. I can only hope to God, that praying to not be misguided is what is enough to keep me on the right track...and not just following what the next person claims God says...
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Peace Faithful-Jinn.
Now, here is the important bit
Freedom of choice! You are responsible only for you! ( Once you reach the age of responsibility?) The decision to believe or disbelieve is yours! You cannot blame anyone else? Check and prove all things, or follow others ,or do not bother to do anything? Will anyone else be accountable for you?)659 With HIM ( GOD the creator!) are the keys of all secrets. None knows them except HE. HE knows everything on land and in sea. Not a leaf falls without HIS knowledge, nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil, nor is there anything wet or dry that is not recorded in a profound record.?
661 HE is supreme over HIS creatures, and HE appoints guards (Angels) to protect you. When the appointed time of death comes to any of you, Our messengers ( Angel of death) put him to death without delay.?
662 Then everyone ( Every single human!) is returned to GOD. Their rightful Lord and Master. Absolutely, HE is the ultimate Judge. HE is the most accurate Reckoner,?
669 The righteous( Submitters) are not responsible for those who reject, ( Total submission and loyalty to GOD?) but it may help to remind them;( About the greatness and power of GOD!) Perhaps they may be saved.?
6102 Such is GOD your Lord, ( HE wants total submission from all HIS creatures, to HIM ALONE!) there is no god except HE ( HE has no partners, no wife/girlfriend, no son, no daughter etc?HE is Unique, everything else is HIS creation!) the Creator of all things. You shall serve/worship ( And follow) HIM ALONE. ( Do not rely on anyone else) HE is in control of all things.? ( Yesterday, today , tomorrow and forever!)
6135 Say? O my people ( All you humans!) do your best ( in this life) and so will I. ( We all find out we can never manage without GOD s help) You will surely find out who the ultimate victors are. ( Those who totally submit!) The wicked will never succeed.?
7100 Does it ever occur to those who inherit the earth after previous generations ( Including you this generation!) that if We will, We can punish them for their sins and seal their hearts; Causing them to be deaf?? ( To GOD s message!)
7102 ( Past generations) We found most of them disregard their covenant; We found most of them wicked.?
7174 We thus explain the revelations ( To remind the humans!) to enable the people to redeem themselves.?
( Accept or do not accept? You will be responsible for your own decision?)
It is up to you?
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This is pure foolishness. I was more a student of Sufi philosophy than any other school of thought. I've never once been a Sunni and have always outright rejected them.
I "experienced God" many times and on many different levels. So much so that if you would have asked me 2 months ago how real God was not only would I say that God is real, I would say he is in fact more real than me standing before you!
But I have to be reasonable and open in accepting that MAYBE I'm creating the experience of God in my mind and so I decided to take a step back from just my "feelings" and "experience" and be objective, logical, and reasonable in whether or not my beliefs were VALID.
If Islam is not the enemy of logic and reason, and it invites questioning then this type of experiment should not be a problem. But apparently it was a problem for me because I have not recovered from my doubt.
I didn't say you were either Sunni or Sufi. Rather, the approach of Sunni-ism has created a culture of crazy translations in order to try and melt the quran and hadeeth together. But the fallout from that means that anyone trying to read the quran now will have to wade through all the muck of prior misleaders. All of the supposed contradictions you cited arise from using these wacky interpretations. One must be sincere and studious to resolve it, patient too. As I said before, incomplete information with perfect logic always leads to a flawed conclusion. If you think that is foolishness let me be the fool. After all, we will see who's correct on the morrow.
Still the interesting thing is that your reasoning is that "MAYBE I'm creating the experience of God in my mind". I only really mentioned sufism as they take the approach of meditation first, then logic. But I myself am coming from a Zen point of view and the whole point is to totally shed the self so there is no "me" or "my mind" but purely mind. How you could create that which created you is something I do not understand. You accept that you had a birth, so why do you not question what caused this birth to arise? Your mind cannot create the experience of something that encompasses itself. Do you think that something can be born in a reality that which itself were born and will die? Somewhere along the line you must come to that which were never born and consequently never will die.
People feel the 'presence' of all sorts of things in themselves - Christ, Zeus, angels, demons, whatever. But these are phenomenal and limited objects within reality. Can anyone claim to deny the reality itself? Your mind can't create the experience of something 'eternal, abiding, still, empty' because that comes before the mind. As the saying goes, '"if you see the buddha, kill the buddha', destroy all appearances of God in your mind so you can see with clarity. Where we agree then, is that one's feelings, perceptions, beliefs about God do not matter. All that matters is the reality.
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God does say in the Koran (can't think of the verses) that there are those who will come to believe and then turn to disbelief like faithful-jinn.
Bigmo - let people denounce or announce. reading such posts may actually lead some to see and understand the Koran. it is one thing to read a verse in the koran and then it is another to actually witness. for me, it validates what God says as i read this thread about people believing and disbelieving.
Its not whether they believe or not, its what is their intention coming here and debating us. For what? We all know its a tough world out there and we all know that many things in life is confusing and God can never be fully understood not even by the prophets or angels. What is it they expect from us? They will go in circles. I have seen this before. You spend a lot of time answering their questions only to see them reject your interpretation. You see there are a million reasons to believe and a million reasons not to believe. Verses of the Quran are not relevant when it comes to issues regarding faith. If you believe you will agree with it if you don't you will not. Rather than tell us about their personal lives and why they lost faith, they want to go in circles about scriptures. People do not believe or not because of scriptures. How do you explain all this millions around the world who believe in scriptures. Its not that they are reading something different, Its things happening in their life. The Quran tells us those who do not believe whether yu warn them or not or present all the signs of the world they would not believe. So why bother? I just hate to see people waste their time. I had an experience here with one person who went in circles about slavery and the Quran. Desperately looking for oxygen. He did not want to take any interpretation that he thinks might defend the Quran and wanted anything to find to attack it. Some people hate those who have faith and wished they can lose it like they did. Because people who have faith go through the same challenges as others but the difference is they hanged in there while others threw the towel.Iit is that, and not scriptures, that determines a person's faith.
An honest person will tell you things about his personal life that made him lose faith, but that takes courage.
He says he lost his faith two days ago. Can u believe that? Two days and he is here debating? Most people would spend months going through emotions.
This is sincerity
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/1271874
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/787640
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/2349939
Its not about scriptures, its about your personal experiences in life that shapes your faith. But at least with the above crowd they are being honest and sincere. Not beating around the bush. Its a waste of time.
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Its not about scriptures, its about your personal experiences in life that shapes your faith. But at least with the above crowd they are being honest and sincere. Not beating around the bush. Its a waste of time.
in my case, my faith has been shaped by both - personal experiences and God's scriptures. i'd say many a times life experiences lead to losing faith but reading the Koran turned me around. i cannot imagine where or what shape i would be in if it were not for God's scriptures. each person is different. some have an emotional approach, some intellectual, some both or neither. God's scriptures helps me in understanding myself, others and the world that I live in. i'd say it has helped me be the person and where i am today.
faithful-jin is not alone in his thinking or questioning. i ask the same questions as he does. if not more and have posted them. only difference is that he has rejected the koran as word of God whereas i have not. what he says is right - it is not logical. it is not logical for me given my own personal experiences to believe in God or God's scriptures. if anything, i should be the first in rejecting instead of only growing firmer in my beliefs. very illogical indeed. putting personal experiences aside, when you apply reason and logic in reading the koran it really doesn't make sense. but yet, why will i not reject like faithful-jin has come to? is it because of divine intervention?
god is not making me believe in anything. nothing is preventing me from not believing. if anything i have many a reasons not to believe. so why do i believe? i suppose it is logical and illogical, rational and irrational at the same time. personally i prefer walking along the straight path. more and more, my soul is at peace. my mind is at rest. listening to God applying what i read in the Koran has only helped me to better cope with life, be a better person. not an angry, bitter, resentful, hateful person. such negativity only weighs me down. following the scriptures has made a positive difference in my life and others around me. enemies becoming friends. building bridges than walls. it is a good feeling. now, do i really need the Koran for that? no, i don't.
however once you have seen the Truth, there is no turning back for me. no point of return looking into my crystal ball so to speak.
besides well.....i sure don't want to take any chances as no one has died and come back to tell me that the Koran is or is not a word of God. no harm in believing. it is one thing and good thing to question/wonder which you can do without rejecting. yeap, playing it safe! don't want to be looking stupid come judgment day. don't want to be a loser in this life or the next.
whatever faithful-jinn or others intentions may be, good to have discussions.